Better cancel/censor everything at this point

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[TheUndeadEmpire]

I do think foalcon is pretty bad but I’m not gonna censor it. You don’t censor art, even if it’s fucking disgusting.

[Wydril]

5300257
This is really the only correct response to this stuff. I personally find it to be disgusting, so I filter it out and don't read things that have it. As far as what anyone else does? That's up to them and the legalities of such stuff in their own countries.

[Not Enough Coffee]

I don't like foalcon, but I won't preach my non-censorship stance without allowing it. Complete freedom of art means allowing the existence of art you despise. It ensures what you enjoy won't be deleted.

Plus, as you and many others have said, use your filters. I use mine.

[Trick Question]

"The slippery slope argument is absurd," they said, even as others were openly calling to remove several other kinds of artwork.

People are now also pushing to remove incest and bestiality, in case you were wondering.

[TittySparkles]

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Pretty sure i also saw arguements for rape as well.

[Emotion Nexus]

The Aryanne photos have gone from awkward to cute over time, and I'm sure if you couldn't see the cutie mark people wouldn't even know why this character was controversial.

I honestly don't care about it but the thought is amusing.

Also despite the cutie mark she does actually have a decent design so that's nice.

Edit: This comment does not reflect my views and was a mistake, but to delete it is to pretend there was no problem at all.

I repeat it was a lapse in judgement on my part.

[Skeeter The Lurker]

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Boy, this is... On the nose.

~Skeeter The Lurker

[Baineblade]

Ah... Shit... This is one of those subjects I'm so happy there are filters for because I'm one of those who are of the firm belief that pedophiles need to be executed. Gladitorially, by Lion if possible. Though now I'm tempted to see a story of Aryanne saving a foal from such a fate, just to screw with so many of the censor pushers.

[AppleTank]

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I'm pretty sure child porn is illegal. Calling it "art" isn't going to save you. Break the rules, get the ban. The server owner chooses the rules, the server owner gets to ban.

[Shakespearicles]

> me watching the dumpster fire from the sidelines
"Yeah, whatever. As long as it doesn't personally affect m-"

5300267

People are now also pushing to remove incest

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[SigmasonicX]

5300271
Seriously? You're really going to go this route? I'm very disappointed.

"Aryanne is kind of cute tho" is the entire point of making a Nazi pony, so people have that response and think it isn't a big deal. It's a very big deal that My Little Pony is being used to host Nazi content, ironic or cute or not.

Think of why your comment is getting so many upvotes. People who support Nazis want people to have the response you posted.

[TheBruteKiller]

5300288
yeah child porn is illegal, ink put on paper with a pen however...

[Figments]

5300271

"If you remove the thing that makes it clear that it's Nazi shit, then how can you tell it's Nazi shit?"

God if only I could have a brain as smooth as yours.

[MagnetBolt]

5300291

yeah child porn is illegal, ink put on paper with a pen however...

...is illegal in a great many countries around the world if it depicts underage children. Notably in Canada, Australia, Italy, etc.

And frankly, the way some people here are talking, they'd be fine with actual child porn as long as 'they could filter it out'. If you're not okay with it, think about why it's not okay. If you've got some critical thinking skills you might be able to figure out why hate speech is also not okay.

[Warrior Kitten]

Oh come the fuck on. Don’t use the current troubles on Derpi to ban whatever other art you please, god I hate people like this.

Art != real life

Frankly if you ban loli/foalcon whatever the hell else people call the various types of underage art they’re either going to find somewhere else to post and indulge in it or they’re going to have repressed desires that could lead to more peadophilia in the world.

So, F this person.

[garatheauthor]

i mean one tweet hardly represents a movement. i haven't seen any serious discussion to go after pornographic tags that have anywhere near the same support as shutting down fascist content and i doubt you will considering how many of the anti-fascist faction are linked to this kind of content (like Wootmaster himself).

[Figments]

5300301

Frankly if you ban loli/foalcon whatever the hell else people call the various types of underage art they’re either going to find somewhere else to post and indulge in it

Great point! So why does it have to be on Derpii, again?

they’re going to have repressed desires that could lead to more peadophilia in the world.

...pedophilia isn't an infectious disease that gets spread by not indulging. What exactly are you talking about?

[Warrior Kitten]

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The problem is that people still have desires (fetishes) involving underage people. Underage art is a safe way for them to relieve those desires. So long as said art does not depict a real life person, then in my opinion it’s fine.

5300290
And that’s a generalisation. I upvoted their comment because they’re partially correct. There’s no problem with Aryanne as far as I’m concerned. She’s a parody of Nazi’s. A parody. Hell, the only thing Nazi about her is how she acts. The Swastika wasn’t originally a Nazi symbol they just ruined it by using it.

Of course at this current point in time Nazi stuff has become too big a deal for even parodies to be safe, a “too soon” scenario.

[SigmasonicX]

The fact that this comment section is full of people angry that art depicting minors in sexual explicit situations might be the next target of removal says everything really.

[iakovl]

is it my "cup of tea"? no...
but, and there is a big but... reality and fiction are two different things and while one should limit reality with law and rules, imagination is the only freedom a person can have in this life.
while some prefer to attribute cartoons and fictional characters as real, the truth is that they are not. we the creators, the readers, the fandom give them "life" but they are not real

and while sexualizing a child is wrong on many levels, referring to an imaginary foal on the same level is taking a step to many to someone's imagination, and as long as they don't cross it into reality there is no need to limit him. don't like foalcon? don't read it, don't look at art... no one has a gun up to someone's head to watch it.

I'll let Carlin convey the main idea 3:19
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CE8ooMBIyC8

[Emotion Nexus]

5300290
You are very right.

I do not actually support them, but that does not excuse me from criticism.

I have refrained from touching the original content of the comment, because if I were to change it, it would be like pretending that there was no wrong with it.

I really wish that politics wouldn't be dragged into this site, as it is my escape, but I do recognize that it is a nessecary evil for a problem that needs to be resolved.

[Just Lightning]

I do think foalcon is pretty bad but I’m not gonna censor it. You don’t censor art, even if it’s fucking disgusting.

I see people say this a lot, because the word "censorship" evokes 1984 vibes. You know plenty of expression is banned on Derpi, right? Hate, harassment, racism, homophobia, threats, etc.

Make no mistake, this has nothing to do with censorship. Plenty of websites are more than happy to host your foalcon for you, and you can even download it to save it for yourself, nobody can stop you. This is about giving no quarter to child porn on Derpibooru, the same way we should give no quarter to Nazism on Derpibooru (And FiMfiction, but baby steps).

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[Figments]

5300313

...quoting George Carlin of all people to defend pedophilia is some kind of fucking wacko move if I'm being honest.

Especially when the bit you posted is about marital infidelity and imagining sex with someone else's spouse. Unless their spouse is fucking 12, that has nothing to do with this.

[Baineblade]

5300310
I didn't say ban it. In fact I'm generally against banning anything that's not explicitly illegal. It's just not my cup of tea. And apparently no one can take a moment to read what I said. I don't like Pedophiles. I find them disgusting. I said I'm glad there are filters for that kinda shit so I don't have to bother with it. No where did I call for banning it. Just that I'm glad I don't have to deal with seeing it thanks to filters.

[Moxturne]

Oh no! Where will I get my pictures of pony child fucking noW?! All I wanted was some pictures of ponies who are explicitly children in body and mind having some sex, which totally isn't a representation of my or anybody else's child fucking fantasies!!

[SigmasonicX]

5300320
That's very good to hear! I'll be honest, I was really worried you were going to fall into the same trap that a lot of users do: going from "Nazi ponies are alright, they're cute", to "I like Nazi ponies", to "Aw, these people get angry about Nazi ponies, so I'll just hang out with these other people who allow Nazi ponies". More generally using memes, that's a major strategy alt-right and Nazi groups use to recruit.

[iakovl]

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the main idea was about coveting, "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s wife" and the fact that coveting takes place in a person's mind. nothing wrong with coveting something (in this case foalcon) the problem if you decide to act on it.

in the end of it all, while as I've said it "it's not my cup of tea" someone may covet something, and for as long as we don't end up in a total dictatorship with all our freedoms taken away, you may covet as much as you want whatever you want, just don't act on it.

[Posh]

5300330 there there, bröther. the baby buttholes have not gone away. they have merely moved.

[R5h]

5300310
what the fuck—yes, the swastika is a Nazi symbol, you ridiculous individual! Aryanne is a Nazi, who acts like a Nazi (in your own words) and therefore there's no way that the Nazi symbol on her butt isn't a Nazi symbol! It was put there by the person who created Aryanne to mark her as a Nazi! This could not be clearer!

"the only thing Nazi about her is how she acts" - like, even if she didn't have a swastika on her butt, which makes this statement an outright lie, this would still be an incredibly stupid thing to say. The only thing that makes people Nazis in real life is how they act. That's how it works. That's how any political affiliation works!

"She’s a parody of Nazi’s. A parody."
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I don't know what you've been looking at, but no art of Aryanne I've ever seen is actually parodic. It's just all her being a Nazi. Like being a cute pony and making a cute face, while being a Nazi... or getting fucked in the pussy, while being a Nazi... or delivering a speech from a podium to a crowd of ponies who are clearly Sieg Heiling, in a stadium filled with Nazi banners, while being a Nazi. (That one's not an exaggeration, by the way: it's DB image 991348.)

Look: Blazing Saddles, for instance, is a parody of racism. It makes racists look silly and ridiculous. Aryanne is not a parody of Nazis, because she's not being used to make Nazis look ridiculous. Most of the top rated images of her on DB are ones where she's clearly sexy and desirable. There's no parodic elements, it's literally just "Nazi, but cute/sexy pony".

There is a difference between parodying a thing, and just showing that thing. Please understand this.

[TittySparkles]

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[Moxturne]

5300342
Hell yeah, nothing like being able to filter out content I don't like, allowing pedophiles to run rampant and freely trade child porn because I choose to advert my eyes instead of helping combat content that's morally disgusting and illegal in many places around the world!

[Knight_of_hope]

5300337
Try tongue but whole.

[Trick Question]

5300321

(And FiMfiction, but baby steps).

Thanks for the public admission that there are bronies trying to ban stories as well.

[Posh]

5300341 you know, it’s really disingenuous when people criticize Hitler, because he was an obvious parody of Nazi ideology.

[Posh]

5300353 “Ban child porn from fimfiction” is not a new concept.

Incidentally, I’ve never fortnite-danced in my life, but if foalcon ever did get the axe I’d default until my feet fell off and then mail fifty dollars to Donald Faison.

[Trick Question]

5300330
It may surprise you to learn many people who use foalcon fantasize instead about being the children, particularly some for whom said fantasies of being desired and loved help them to overcome trauma from their childhood.

[TittySparkles]

5300353

Beginning on May 10, 1933, Nazi-dominated student groups carried out public burnings of books they claimed were “un-German.” The book burnings took place in 34 university towns and cities. Works of prominent Jewish, liberal, and leftist writers ended up in the bonfires. The book burnings stood as a powerful symbol of Nazi intolerance and censorship.

[Posh]

5300364 that’s really heavy, and granted, I am not a psychiatrist or an expert in trauma, but I’m sure that there is a means of coping with childhood trauma and abuse that doesn’t have the tertiary effect of enabling out-and-out pedophiles.

[Posh]

5300365 have you ever had an intelligent thing to say in your life

[Original Wankster]

This could get interesting given how many of the prominent voices in favor of the nazipone ban are also big fans of foalcon.

[Just Lightning]

5300353
I'm sure you know all too well from your Writeoff days what people think about your stories.

[Not Enough Coffee]

Here's the thing. If you were to get rid of rape, foalcon, snuff, so on, It is going to exist in this world no matter what you do. It will merely be moved, or shared underground.

I despise pedophilia. It is one of the things in this world that actually makes me upset beyond measure. But, outright ban art of its depiction is not the solution. Lolita, where the word lolicon comes from, is based around a man's desire for an underage girl. It is considered a classic novel, despite its dark theme.

The world ain't all sunshine and rainbows, and hiding it away from art will not get rid of its existence. Banning it is the same as filtering it in the sense of turning a blind eye to it. The person behind it will continue to do exactly what they have before, and they could not even be an actual pedophile to begin with. The art one creates is not a true reflection of themselves.

Lets say I write about a cheater, someone who dishonestly betrayed their partner. I make it in their perspective and paint them sympathetically. Does this make me a sympathizer to cheaters? No, I just wrote about it and explored the idea. I am in no way sympathizing for a cheater, that is not my true belief. Censoring me being able to do that at a more extreme level, such as with pedophilia, would limit art like Lolita from being made.

Do people make foalcon and are into actual pedophilia? I bet there are some, but I don't put a blanket over any group and say they are all one thing. You have to critically take an eye to it all and consider every angle.

You are not a saint for censoring it all. You are merely forcing someone to shut their yap. That does not get rid of all the bad in the world in any way, shape, or form.

That's my personal stance on it. you are free to debate it, perhaps you could change my mind. Discussion is always important to have, no shaming of anyone. Just simple, honest, discussion for better understanding of yourself and others.

[Trick Question]

5300344

allowing pedophiles to run rampant

You do realize people you don't like aren't going to cease to exist just because you hate them, right?

Being transgender I get that all the time from people. They're not mad at anything I've done, they just really, really want me to not exist. I was in a pride parade back around 2004 or so, and I remember the religious bigot on the sidewalk looking at me and screaming, "YOU SHOULD NOT BE!"

There's a lot of people attracted to children, way, way more than the number who abuse children. It's a substantial proportion of the fandom, and nothing you can do will make them disappear. All you can do is frustrate them sexually, which is probably not the best strategy if what you actually care about is the wellbeing of children. But you rarely show empathy for children when you post these comments. You show only contempt and hatred for others. You aren't motivated by compassion, you're motivated by hatred. You can get away with that when the targets of your hatred are very unpopular, but it doesn't mean your heart is in the right place.

[Moxturne]

5300365
We're talking about child porn and fiction for pedophiles, not fucking mass swathes of literature written by people of ethnicities and ideologies that fascists wanted to kill en masse.

[Trick Question]

5300372
I don't have any foalcon stories published here. The story that caused people to grab pitchforks and torches was allegorical and had no sex with foals in it.

But it made people uncomfortable, which was part of the intent. If you're using me as an example of the type of stories you want to ban, it's pretty clear how broad a brush of censorship you want to paint with.

[TheBruteKiller]

anyone who tries to say drawn fiction is reality needs to get on an antipsychotic asap because this whole not being able to separate fantasy from reality thing leads to very bad incidents historically.

[TittySparkles]

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[garatheauthor]

5300377
i mean all TS has really done is provide a singular tweet displaying this point of view. i honestly need a bigger sample size before i see evidence of some leftist crusade against uncomfortable pornography even if this singular tweet has 250 likes. Takes a lot more than a like to convert something into an actual movement.

No one's going to take away our freedom to jerk it to weird porn coffee.

[Moxturne]

5300383
Then please, elaborate on how censoring child porn is comparible to Nazi book burning. Or whatever the point is that you're trying to make.

[marcelojj]

Oh, look ! After going after the "nazis", now other people are being targeted too !

Oh, who could imagined something like that happening, like it ALWAYS HAPPEN in the whole story of humanity (machartism, anyone) ?

But don't worry ! Black Lives Matters and Antifa is behind that. Nothing wrong could come from that, 'cause their cause is just, right and above any sin or misguidance. And if you DARE question that, you are clearly a pedo-nazi...wich is worse than the usual nazi.