Jul
3rd
2021
If foalcon is banned · 4:17am Jul 3rd, 2021
I won't miss foalcon. I never read it, never wrote it, and never will write it. I almost felt like leaving the site when I first found out about it.
And no, I didn't voice calling for its ban. Even if I hate it.
But what's next after it? If it's banned. I will be certainly mad if human x pony is banned. They are both sapient-minded species in that case, and it falls under xenophilia in my view.
What about violent fetishes and other grim-natured stories? I don't like those either. But, we could end up banning more and more things. I just hope that does not happen.
Xenophobia is two consenting adult sapient. A child and an adult is not. It won't be that extreme to ban everything, its like saying a ban. On murder will result in a ban on firing guns.
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Yeah, I'm just a little worried. I wanted to voice my concerns.
At any rate, foalcon will simply off somewhere off-site if it were to be removed.
That being said, I do have a question. A question that's been burning through my brain for like 3 years now. You see I have a story on here that technically involves some really brutal and (as it will) possibly humiliating sex between a minor and an adult. Mind you, said minor was abducted and is being kept prisoner. Here's the thing, the story is set in the Equestria Girls universe, yet canonically, all these OCs have pony counterparts in Equestria and beyond somewhere. Would this story be considered foalcon?
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Best asking a site mod for that sort of thing. All I say is, I won't tell you not to write it, even if I dislike said story's themes. I won't hold it against you either for making it, since it is fictional.
That raises the question in real life and ponies or horses in general age differently than humans by the time they’re 10 years old that’s pretty much half the life most on live has their 20-30
And most individuals agree you shouldn’t breed a horse until they’re at least four years old and it’s hard to tell how long they live for in the show so even if we double their life expectancy in our world that still doesn’t put them outside the eight year old range when they start breeding I don’t know man it’s just hard to put anything into certain number range or even justify why any of this really matters I mean there are those who have fantasies about things but when they try to in real life they hate them and they people admit those fantasies are better as just fantasies Just put my two cents in
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I like to think MLP FIM ponies have longer life spans than our ponies on Earth. I think even the show based show version live much longer than ours. And live around the same as us humans, if not longer.
And depending on if it is a crazy alt-universe of the show, they could even be immortal.
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Well that would depend the longer species lives the less like it is to have children as quickly as possible that’s why mice only live for a few years and have 3 to 6 kids every 25 days (usually deer tail mice) but then wouldn’t that mean that their children for like decades from their perspective we are nothing more than foal in that perspective and they would seem for pedophiles if they were immortal and I forgot somewhere in the comics I think they actually put the time reference how long ponies live for
And then there are individuals who actually spent the time to put into reference the years that passed in the show how old they said the characters were https://mlp.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Speculation/How_old_are_the_ponies%3F
And even still that makes them very wide age ranges
But it was the same thing with people when we didn’t live that long people started their lives and their families barely in their teens and it’s just so they can actually live long enough to raise their own children and it’s only in the last 2000 years have we actually lived long enough to see our great grandchildren as a normal thing or even our grandchildren hell my great great great grandmother lived to meet me she died at 107 years old
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Well, luckily when it comes to fan fiction you can dismiss canon if needed. So, it's pretty open.
no right answer here, it's freedom to express upon an owned website vs morality, never mixes well (facebook, twitter, myspace, etc). It's probably half a scandal thing, worry over someone picking up that it's bad because x or y so shut it all down. The other being a disinterest to put in the work to define OK vs not when it is simpler and less time consuming to do a site-wide ban (probably).
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Yeah, I know. Don't me wrong I'm not the one calling for the ban. Even if I dislike it.
I expect nothing would be next. Shota and loli are already banned so banning foalcon would be more like closing a loophole rather than adding a new type of banned content.
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I hope you're right. I personally won't miss foalcon.
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Granny smith is confirmed to be over a hundred years old, as she was there, when ponyville was founded, and they cleaned up winter the same way for 100 years.
Sweetie belle had a flashback to her fifth birthday, where shes significantly younger than present day sweetie belle, while rarity is already an adult.
I'd assume next would be bestiality to be banned. pretty sure I've seen some clopfics tagged as such.
Then what happens with filly/colt stories? There's a nice one with no clop about an OC colt dating the CMC. It's family friendly (rated e I think) but they still say they love each other etc;
And then as you say, Xenophillia. Yes the ponies (and other species) are sentient, but when you got people crusading, they don't care about the difference and only focus on looks. What happens when suddenly all fantasy considered wrong and needs to be banned?
I wouldn't want to see it banned, simply because such calls would not stop there.
It takes one ban and the dominos start to fall.
Foalcon is just a nice word for pedophilia.
Always will be.
Fetishes are quirks of society.
Pedophilia will take your freedom and put it behind bars.
The Pedo Brigade can whine all they like, but there are distinctions between a fetish and pedophilia.
Decent folk have boundaries and acknowledge this.
If this site didn’t condone the glorification of rape and pedo then I would support the site financially. This was why I never did so when FimFiction was still on Patreon.
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It could. They could very well move on to a new target. And whine about grimdark stories with a rape fetish, or something else grim-natured.
But foalcon is understandably hated due to its links with pedophilia.
Xenophillia is pretty mainstream. Look at Mass Effect. So, there's a chance human x adult MLP FIM pony won't get the same backlash.
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So, do you think human x adult MLP FIM Pony will be safe from censorship here? Since the two are fully sapient-minded? And count as xenophillia? I mostly on fimfiction to read and write said stories.
And of rapefics? There could be one that isn't porn, but part of a sad story about rape? What say you of those? Or even just plain rape porn, but no foalcon happening.
Granted, I dislike rape stories of any kind.
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Sure, the pedo mob will say that.
That is the classic counter-argument we see from people who want to keep pedophilia on FimFiction, isn’t it?
Oh you can’t ban pedo fics, because then that will set a precedent for other topics...!
Except right here, right now, we are not talking about some other xyz topic.
Somewhere, sometime, a line needs to be drawn.
Personally, I don’t like rape glorification fics.
I have fics in my Favourites that contain rape, but they don’t glorify the act.
Another term for pedophilia is Statutory Rape.
You see the commonality here?
EDIT:
Sorry, I responded to the first half of your post. I didn’t see that the question halfway down was addressed to me.
I’ll make another post to not confuse questions.
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In any case, it will move off-site. At any rate.
It will still exist. Just be more hidden. It probably be better off that way. The people who like it, will just have to look much harder.
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Thing with Mass Effect is that they are humanoids. You're not dating a Hanar.
Rape is illegal pretty much everywhere. So is murder (save for a few middle east countries probably). so when will those dark fics get the chop?
At what point will it end?
At what point will we no longer be able to have silly fantasies to indulge in? I read a pretty good gay fic between anon and male derpy, I didn't finish it wanting to dump my gf and bum the first guy I saw, you know?
Yes, foalcon has pedo connotations, no doubt about that. And I wont lose sleep over it being banned. But thats not where it will stop. It never is. How long before the internet is censored world wide completly like in china? I've already seen old movies getting edited and banned because "it's not politically correct".
I dunno, I guess I'd like to enjoy something without fearing that I'll wake up and its gone, you know? I love me some heartwarming Anon stories.
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Human X Pony adult fics are fine.
For real, shows like Star Trek have been doing that for decades.
So long as the two species are sentient and consenting adults, then where is the nasty part?
And I mentioned the other side of rape fics in my post I just made.
I have one in my Favourites that starts with a unicorn Twilight Sparkle who was raped.
We don’t see any rape, it occurred before the first chapter began.
It is a heartfelt story of recovery and regaining trust.
Glorification of rape and statutory rape are disgusting.
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It comes down to the site's powers that be in the end. I guess we can wait and see.
This sort of stuff will still exist. But you would have to talk to someone like a back-room deal in order to see it.
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Yeah, site rules in the end. I'm just hoping it doesn't cause an avalanche you know?
Best get back to writing my fics haha
I remember back a few months ago when they started suppressing those aryanne fics. I remember people arguing at the time ‘if they ban this, what’s to stop them from banning other things some consider obscene such as fc?’ as a way to warn those in favor of the censorship that it would never just stop there. Now here we are months later and we are finding out that no, it potentially didn’t stop there.
I’m not arguing the benefits or singing the praises of fc, simply that banning it would, like the aryanne stuff, only open the doorway further to even wider content purging. Anyone saying ‘it will simply stop with this’ are either acting in bad faith or are looking at this issue with tunnel vision. Give it until some controversy happens with an author and the topic of animal sexuality for them to start cracking down on human x pony. ‘That won’t happen, this would just be a limited ban’ is a line I think we’ve all heard before. If there’s one thing I’ve learned the past few years is that the slippery slope is not a mere fallacy.
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That's a good point.
I guess, we have to be ever-watchful. Human x pony, however, I feel will have massive support. From both Left Wing and Right Wing, so not a clear-cut case. The Left I feel in particular likes human x pony even more than right-leaning bronies. Since the left really loves foreign cultures over their own homeland.
Out of curiosity... Do you have any knowledge about such a ban being discussed, or is that a theoretical scenario
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Regardless, from what I've seen, most of the people pushing for foalcon ban are the same ones who were screaming 'Aryanne should be banned!' months before, so... draw your own conclusions
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The biggest problem I see here is precedense - give in once, show them they can force you to make a change and it will empower people to demand more and more. Whether those demands will be successful is a separate issue.
Personally, I don't think your stories are in trouble, but I'm still very much against opening that pandora's box. Nothing good will come out of this.
just wanna say, if it's off the site it's gonna be (potentially) substantially harder to track the people who partake in it, for criminal case purposes. Pushing em off site rather than keeping tabs would be detrimental long term in any meaningful change against the ones that legitimately do the stuff. Just my two cents about this stuff coming back and reading the comments. It follows the same philosophy as dealing with the homeless (in America don't know about anywhere else), move it out of sight we don't care otherwise
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Counting on a broad base of support isn’t exactly the most stable ground to stand on if higher ups decide to crack down on something. I say a better solution would be adding fetish tags like ‘rape’, ‘bestiality’ for human x pony, and even a ‘foalcon’ tag and simply encourage people to filter it. This would allow those who don’t want to even see that story in their feeds while also allowing the writers to post their works with less blowback because of the controversial content of their piece.
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I'm merely theorizing. I think human x pony is fairly safe. Since the left is often full of misantropes, who love a whiny human misanthrope in Equestria making love to ponies. And the left seems to hate their own culture and tends to be far more xenophilic than the right. The left tends to be more open with strange fetishes overall.
I seriously doubt many on the far-right would like human x pony. They hold very little power overall as well in the West.
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That's a good point.
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A derpibooru filter system would be great.
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Probably nothing formal yet but controversy always brings attention. This whole thing has certainly gotten people upset.
Nothings needs to be banned as long as it stays within the boundaries of fiction and noghing more.
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I’m not arguing the benefits or singing the praises of fc, simply that banning it would, like the aryanne stuff, only open the doorway further to even wider content purging.
Nope. It won’t. Why?
We are talking about statutory rape.
That is a MAJOR red light.
It is such a major red light that all we need to say is:
No more foalcon fics.
And that will be all.
Foalcon is a despicable enough topic that no other topic needs to enter the cross fire.
Statutory rape is nothing like fetish.
I ask you, what “further content” could be banned if we ban foalcon?
What is on the same level as pedophilia?
Not much, eh?
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There you go. Their next target is the non-con tag. Human*Pony is basically what this site is built on, so it's the holy grail of the prudes and it will take them a while to work up to it.
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Uhh... have you looked up the definition of Statutory Rape ?
Here, let me do it for you...
Statutory rape
In common law jurisdictions, statutory rape is nonforcible sexual activity in which one of the individuals is below the age of consent.
Also known as pedophilia.
You moron.
How about an apology?
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I don't think this really is left vs. right issue. You'll find kinky people enjoying your stories (and wanting to ban foalcon) on both sides
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You're probably right. Let's just hope it won't turn into Derpibooru-drama-2.0
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No, no, you see, that's not how it works. Writing murder or rape or torture stories - all of those are fine... but ONLY if your fictional characters are 14 (?) or older! If not, your stories suddenly become reality and real people (... or ponies I guess? Real ponies? Hmm...) get hurt, and you should be locked up for your crimes!
... nope, it makes no sens whatsoever, and it's hypocritical as hell, but that's even more of a reason to never question the 'logic' behind it
Maybe some people just played too much Alan Wake...
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Ah, I apologize. You consider forcible sexual activity to be okay, then.
My point is that you are putting it in terms of "rape" and "this is what the law says about if it weren't fiction". This argument naturally applies to more than just foalcon, and if you're going to claim that you don't see that, I'm going to argue you're being disingenuous.
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Of for Christ's sake...
neither is normal (adult) rape, torture-rape and many other hardcore stuff that makes average person's stomach turn.
So what, do you want to ban them too, or is clopping to imaginary story where someone tortures and rapes aduld Twilight, A-OK
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Mate.
I said ban the pedo foalcon.
That is all.
Did you honestly just pass over what I said?
Pedophilia is such a red light that we can say no without endangering anything else.
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So, you're not going to engage with what I said at all. That's definitely what I would call disingenuous.
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No it’s not.
It’s called not playing into the hands of those who endorse pedophilia.
Because the classic counter-argument of those who want pedophilia fics is to switch the topic to “insert-other-adult-fantasy-here”.
We can’t ban pedophilia because then xxxxxx will be next.
I’m not playing your game.
But thankyou for your apology, and I admire how you performed the switcheroo of topics in the same breath.
Ah, sorry, busy in another blog, it's a lively morning. Not sure if this was brought up or not, but if the only justification is the illegality of the act if it happened in real life, then every story with humanXpony in it would need to be banned as well. Bestiality is a crime in most states in the US, and most countries as well. If this was already brought up, then please excuse my redundancy.
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A reminder that you, yourself, asked "what further content" was "on the same level" as pedophilia. And now you're refusing to even consider the answers given to that very question.
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So what do you want from me?
A list of every dark deed in the world that we should knock off this site ?
And the question “what else is on that level” was already answered by myself in the next line of that same post.
Go back and read it.
The answer was: “not much, eh?”
In other words, the question was rhetorical. Other topics were safe because pedophilia is on a level of its own.
EDIT:
Removed the assumption that continued foalcon is what is desired by this user.
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Yes, a to-do-list for the censorship crusaders would be very helpful, actually.
Edit: A correction of your post: That I am arguing for the continuation of (fictional) pedophilia is disturbing to you. The way I am arguing is irrelevant to you, because you've already decided that any argument must be invalid if it comes to a conclusion you don't like. There's a name for that fallacy, I'm sure, but I don't feel like looking it up.
We need banned sex stories with kids in them
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What is on the same level as pedophilia?
I’d say murder’s probably up there, maybe even worse, but I don’t see you advocating fics with murder in it be banned.
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That’s because I’m not suggesting we open the flood gates and start removing fics wholesale.
If you suggest that we also start removing fics with murder then good luck with that!
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You: "We should remove X stories because reason A"
Us: "What about Y and Z stories, for which reason A also applies?"
You: "I don't understand logic, so I'm just going to pretend that ignoring the implications of my arguments means those implications don't exist."