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The amount of Twi-with-wings art I've been seeing is pretty impressive. Looking at my deviantart favorites folder for Twilight, I have to go back about 8 page before I stop seeing it.
Given the relative ratio of popularity between artists and fic writers, this seems like a pretty apt metaphor for life in general. Most people just want to see cool new stuff, and only in the darkened back corners of the room can you find the writers and overcritical nerds like us frothing at the mouth over the violation of proper canon.
I like alicorn Twilight conceptually. I think it can be done well. I'm iffy that it can be done well in the available time. I'd be more confident if it were a two-parter episode. Still, I'm at least reassured by hearing that they're packing the ep with songs. That's a way to condense content effectively in the show's format.
I still don't think it'll be done well, but that's because season 3 hasn't been as well written so far as Seasons 1 and 2 were. Sigh. Alicorn Twilight was something I'd looked forward to before Season 3 started. I figured it would happen eventually and I wanted it to happen! Now that it's actually happening, I'm anti-hyped and expecting the worst.
I think at the end of the episode twilight won't have wings.
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Hey, people still complain about when the Three Stooges shuffled membership. Sigh. I miss Curly Joe, humor just hasn't been the same since they cloned him about 600 times and sent them all to Washington....
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There has been plenty of wailing and gnashing of teeth over on Deviant as well.
And what proper canon are you even referring to? We don't know Jack P. Diddly about alicorns, where they come from, what they are capable of, etc. Even being goddesses is simply very well established fanon. One of the things about alicorn Twilight that most intrigues me is the possibility of actually providing alicorn canon.
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830812 There's always the possibility that season three ends on a cliff-hanger and then season four has a two-part opening, that would give over sixty minutes to cover Twicorn. Granted, it would be the biggest tease in cartoon history since Enzo, Andrea, and Spike from Reboot got stuck in a game cube at the end of season 2.
830845 Any more of this and Shiny's gonna have wing envy.
830903 Yeah, at least one thing this episode will do is put to rest nagging questions about where alicorns come from. This will help A LOT for anyone writing world-scale conflicts with political backdrops. *Cough*MyTCBfiction*Cough*. Or anyone who really wants to write an alicorn OC, they'll know what the requirements are. *Cough*MyBackburner*Hack*Pantheonverse*Cough* *Gag* *Wheeze*
*Falls to ground, twitching in anticipation*.
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>implying any of us can tell the difference between fanon and canon anymore
And I wonder if the show's fans who don't partake of the rest of the fandom care at all.
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Okay, the cliff-hanger ending would actually be awesome.
Hasn't everyone been assuming this was going to happen for ages? Its not exactly out of the blue...
831163 Did you watch Reboot when you were a kid as well?
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Yeth.
831085 Canon makes money and has a bunch of fierce lawyers that we don't want to make angry. (I wonder if any of them write ponyfic secretly?)
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As the Time of Ascension approaches, my emotions boil down to fear. "Please, oh, please, don't let them screw this up."
But yeah. It could work, done well.
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Think of the proud parents. Son: Prince-Consort. Daughter: Princess. Parents: Ordinary ponies[1].
Actually...there's a fic there! Yes! Twilight gets to hide out in Ponyville. They live in Canterlot! They have to adjust to a new world where they are related to the Royal House. Twice.
[1] I'm allergic to the fanon of Twilight being of noble blood.
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If they do the cliffhanger thing I will do the yes dance. Maybe they make a movie to resolve it! Maybe that's why this is a half-season?
...hope. It's a terrible thing.
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It's not what (though I thought it too obvious, personally) but how that worries the MLP-NOODLES[2].
[2] My Little Pony Nitpickers, Obsessive Overthinkers, Decrying Lunatics, and Eggheads Society. Obviously.
831432 I have been replied to by the GhostofHeraclitus! IAMNOTWORTHY!
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I am now left wondering if there perhaps is another, prohibitively cool, GhostOfHeraclitus I'm not aware of? It's a terrible suspicion, fearing that you might have a much cooler doppelganger.
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Hm. Speaking of cliffhanging three-parters...
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This is me now:
The Gods of Pony have listened! Reginald1648 is the NEW PROPHET OF PONY!
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I wonder this myself. There have been plenty of shows that I've watched that I wasn't a part of the fandom (Beast Wars, Dragon Ball, Sonic the Hedgehog) and only learned of the fan response years later. It's kinda funny to look back on what made fans freak out while I was just content with watching my 30 minute show.
Anyway, I'm all for tomorrow's episode. I'm ready!
831475 831490 And the Lord Prophet Reginald descended from the mount, and he brought ponies, and the children of Equestria partook of these ponies, and all was well and right in the world.
One thing that always kind of surprises me on the Twilacorn conversation is that I don't hear much mention from people about how many hints Season 3 has had that this was coming. There's the super-overt of course, with Celestia and Luna's conversation in the season opener. There are the numerous allusions to Twilight's increasing magical power, at least as I see it: the crystal spells and gravity spell in the opener, the "slaying-of-many-Pinkies", Twilight vs. Trixie 2. There's the fact that Celestia is apparently insane enough to let Twilight and friends try to reform Discord (and if there were ever an argument for canon Trollestia...). The fact that eps. 11 and 12 are effectively a two-parter about "You six are all important enough that we're going to shuttle you around Equestria to run high-level PR". But one of my favorite bits really seems to slip beneath the radar – the final scene between Twilight, Celestia, and Luna in the season opener. Sure, Celestia and Luna say some foreshadowy things, but the juxtaposition of the sun/moon and star backgrounds in that scene, so clearly putting the three on a comparable level, kind of scream "Twilacorn is coming" to me.
That's not to say I don't have some sympathy with the abbreviated character arc argument (though being rather new to the fandom, I don't have all the heavy fanon baggage about alicorns that seems to exist), or the argument that it unbalances an important group dynamic (two-from-each-tribe; I don't think it's actually going to wind up unbalancing to the friendships in any way, just a little to the theme of harmony). And I don't expect to be 100% satisfied with the finale, or with the two-part opener next season. But from what little info is available, I do get the impression (perhaps concordant with 831070 – also, Reboot rocks!) that we may get some fun world-building out of this, and in a way I can really get behind. There's a long-standing tradition of cowboys, knights, samurai, etc – noble warrior archetypes with various nuances – being very relatable for large segments of the male population. It sounds like the crew is looking to make "Princess" in the MLP context into something of a female variant of this trope, and that's an idea I can really get behind. We need more positive, active female archetypes in fiction.
Rather rambling rant, resolved.
According to EqD Megan McCarthy has said that this season will end on a cliffhanger. They also hint that it is temporary, which is backed up by the fact that IDW heard about this whole thing the same time we did.
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There's maybe an issue of them rushing it so it could be in the season finale, in case it became an overall series finale. (Futurama did that a lot.) A movie or two parter might have been more useful, but perhaps it will be an interesting cliffhanger for the next series. (And drive everyone insane in the interim.)
The complete lack of trust in the writers from the fandom annoys me slightly. They've shown capacity to do well with seemingly silly plots in the past (e.g. wedding episode, and the whole series concept...).
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Hmm. That's an interesting point I've completely failed to consider – the whole 65-episodes-and-done thing, and whether the staff knew they'd be coming back. Thanks for pointing that out.
That said, I don't like to think of myself as one of those folks who's all, "Oh, Hasbro just wants to play George Lucas and run a show for the sole purpose of selling toys," but I do have a bit easier time believing that Twilacorn could have been dictated that way than as a "we might be going off the air" thing. There's definitely prejudice in my attitude on that point, but I just have such a hard time wrapping my head around the idea that any sane company could actually want to cancel MLP:FiM when it's one of the most profitable IPs in the toy world right now, and instrumental in the fact that Hasbro's not facing the same economic trouble a lot of its competitors are facing.
I think the writers on fimfiction who are saying, "The dramatic arc needs more time! It will ruin the show's dynamics! It's too big a climax for season 3!" (etc.) are ones who aren't putting enough thought into it. They'd be better off coming up with a half-dozen ways in which it could work as an exercise in stretching their imaginations, kind of like how you are forced to do a turn-about and argue the opposite side of an issue in debate class. If they can't work out completely different points of view convincingly, how are they ever going to write really believable characters, anyway?
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The baggage appears to be this: princess = wings and horn = super powers. Now, I've seen the first equality broken by fics but pretty much the entire fandom seems to assume the second, wings and horn = super powers, equality without any question... for some reason. We hear about "alicorn magic" as if it was a separate thing. This is despite being told that the two sisters used "unicorn magic" to bring the night and day in the storybook opening.
I always tended to assume that sticking wings on a unicorn would result in a unicorn who could fly. I dunno, it always seemed more logical to me but people seem to look at (read: reply to my comments—as this is the Internet) me as if I'm crazy.
There are some very interesting things you can do if you assume that Celestia and Luna only use unicorn magic. For a start, anything they can do, they can probably teach Twilight to do. I had a fic idea called "Sunrise" where Celestia teaches Twilight to raise the sun. Its a hard spell to learn not only for inherent reasons, but because of logistic ones:
1) It involves getting the entire faculty of the School for Gifted Unicorns up before dawn in order to provide Twilight with a power boost.
2) Treaties Equestria has signed with other countries mean Twilight has only a ten minute window to practice in each day. No pressure.
Picture a cold, wintery morning where Celestia is trying to have an intimate moment with Twilight (in my headcanon, unicorns teaching each other the magic of their special talent is a special moment) while in the background Luna is shouting and trying to order a bunch of academics around like they were soliders. Just now, the wind is taken out of Luna's sails as a tea pony arrives with steaming hot beverages in thermos flasks.
And Twilight is a unicorn.
I'm not sure if I can still write this. Perhaps that's another reason I'm sulking a bit about Alicorn Twilight.
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You laugh, but it's a real danger. "Nettle" once discovered someone with her exact same name (including the spelling) who was also studying English Literature, only at a "better" university (Cambridge, I think it was).
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Gah, but that comment makes me want to share something story-wise that I've had in mind for a week or two. Instead, I'll just try harder to get some solid writing done this weekend, so you can see it for yourself sooner rather than later. But I do find the question of that particular spell to be an interesting and very ficcable one. Also, I'm in no danger of stealing your premise and think that would be very fun to read.
I'm very much on the same page with you on the implications of alicornication bit, but for me I feel like being a late starter really helps there. I really do like the character of Cadence, but she certainly doesn't come off as some sort of secret, Leto-as-a-sandworm-esque, god emperor of the Crystal Empire. I can very much understand the development of the alicorn = super powers fanon when you're primarily dealing with millennium-old Celestia who pulled a Ralph Kramden on her sister, but by Season 2 we have socially-awkward-Luna and Celestia-who's-just-worthless-at-weddings. Being beaten by Chrysalis is one thing, but making your guard captain do all the magic heavy lifting and completely losing perspective on the fact that your faithful student is probably the single most trustworthy pony in Equestria? Somebody call Lyra, 'cause Celestia's downright human.
I do enjoy myself a spot of alicorn overpower now and again, but I've always seen the cosmic wonder twins as primarily special because of their exceptionally long life – for whatever reason they have it – and the quality of wisdom and experience they must have gained from being around so long.
On the bright side, um... hm.
I could have sworn I'd seen a bright side somewhere.
Oh! HERE IT IS!
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