Well the results are in and the forum have spoken. Princest is no longer allowed within Protect Celestia. However there is one condition. If the story is one of those where Luna and Celestia aren't blood relatives, then that story is allowed.

Hear hear

3701130 Wait wait wait. This was a thing, and you put up the poll 2 weeks ago, back when few people would even see it, and failed to put in the subject what the poll was about? I hate to quote Adams here but "You didn't exactly go out of your way to call attention to it, did you?" Maybe you should put up a new thread, properly titled, and see how much response you get now? I mean, if you really care about member's opinions, it might be wise to get a better polling sample.

3701144 yeah, while I love thus idea, it might be better to earn our victory.

3701130
Boo I say! Boo!

You claim to protect Celestia, yet you deny her the comfort of her sister; the only pony who truly understands her, who will ever be at her side? Boo!

3701130 I demand a re-count!

3701736 What do you mean binding?

3701773 It's kinda what the whole thing was about.

3701130
Now, we just need a poll about whether to allow human x Celestia stories.

3701782 I asked CP about it before ever posting the poll and he told me to announce it as well, so yes, it was. And I freaking said that when the poll was done the mods would get together and make a final decision. How does that fail to register with so many?

3701875 Unfortunately, not everyone bothers to check the dashboard.

3701845
Here you go!

3701250 Love of a sibling is fine. Sex is not.

I am still waiting for an all ban on shipping in general.

And perhaps, permabanning anyone who disagrees.

That would be nice.

3701250 Your opinion is useless.

You are no longer welcomed here.

Begone you fool. You are yet a degenerate that must be put to the sword.

Bye now.

3702252

And perhaps, permabanning anyone who disagrees.

They would need then to push their Democratic/Autocratic slider towards 'Autocratic'.

3702258
Be silent and speak not of what you do not understand. Few on this site can claim to write Luna and Celestia as well as the Landgrave does.

3701875

I think a lot of people didn't even spot the thread. I sure didn't.

3702290
Well, most don't really care.

3702277 I personally prefer the term socialpath (Of the unorthodox online vigilant to be sure form) to describe me. Pardon me, but I am feeling particularly cranky today, and I felt to express that on a target of which I saw in front of me suit. Such juicy tidbits like this bring a certain side of me that merely wishes to crush whatever potential trouble that may arise before it begins to blossom. Being nice about these kinds of conflicts has hardly worked in my experience, and I sincerely doubt it will do so here either.

In my experience, I find that it usually boils down to silencing the opposition and shredding them to bits before they have a chance to impose a form of disorder. Clearly the majority here wish for princest to be banned, and this fool was being arrogant in voicing his opinion, was he not? Is that not mere stupidity? You either agree with the group or not join at all. Is that not how the ideal way things work?

Further disagreement will only cause friction within this group. I believe that cannot be allowed, correct?

3702279 Until you give solid evidence for that, I shall remain skeptical sir. It is only your perception that he writes them well due to your own personal preferences in the way you see them. At least, from what I can gather here.

3702271 If that is the case, so be it. If the group can maintain itself, then it hardly matters whether this group is autocratic or democratic. Whatever works, as long as the general order and peace is maintained. I may perhaps be prolonging a start of a conflict, but if it means long terms order and general agreement for the majority of those here, then I see little problem with it.

You ostracize the minority who provoke such irksome opinions and then excise them out of the group.

3702299
Then read his work and see for yourself, duh.

3702294

I don't really care either way on the princest issue. I am, however, a bit unhappy with how it was handled. A thread titled "The subject long in coming. Also Poll. ", especially one posted when group threads didn't make it to feeds, is not a good way to get community input. At the very least the title should have made clear that it was a group policy-related poll.

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3702310 Oh wait, I do believe I recognize him.

And I do believe I have failed to clarify a few important things here. So be it.

Though rash as I am about expressing it, I do not mind princest IF it is capable of being written well.
Those who fail in that however, deserve to have their rights to post stories to this site restricted. You must be brutal and merciless to cut the crap out of the content that is submitted here.

His stories have potential, but are mostly underdeveloped, missing substance that could be used to further plot and character development as a whole. Something that isn't exactly in favor of those who would wish for such a ship. A story must be able to stand on its own merits for it to succeed, and if it cannot do that, then it is mere fodder for the scythe.

So what if I am elitist about it? I do believe we can all agree that we must not suffer poor fodder that some would dare to call actual stories, correct? As such, one must remain vigilant and cruel to maintain a form of order, hierarchy, and standards.

That being said of course, this attitude doesn't always work, with it being situationally based on the problems that it is most effectively able to solve. Here though, I believe it appropriate. Thus, my initial entry into the thread. Cruelty warrants attention, thus one is best able to use that attention to inform and/or berate for either the greater good or for the worst.

Though my intentions for my comment is for the greater good, I suppose it does bear to have some more substance to back it up. And it may or may not backfire in time. But who knows? All I know is that an iron handed fist is required to police opinions and control them with absolute certainty. Hey, it did work for such fiends like the Gestapo and NVKD for a time. The were indeed harsh and cruel, but one cannot argue against the effectiveness of their results in controlling and maintaining public order.

One can ill afford in this case to be initially objective in the first run of things. Express feelings first to get tensions over with, then give forth a legitimate argument as to the how and why of things. With luck, things shall return to relative normality...

My, that was long winded.

3702318 There is truth to your words.

In a society in the real world, democracy and its beneficiary sister styles of government help to facilitate advancement, albeit at a painful pace sometimes when met with the infamous red tape.
And to a degree, it does help here on the internet.

That being said though, democracy in its ability to help implement changes for the better seem to me severely limited, due to the nature of how groups seem to go into hiveminds here on the Internet. Thus, why rather draconian measures must be taken in order to police those who generate negative dissent against the majority, and crush them without mercy. They can be the most saintly person in the world, but that does not matter on a forum if all it does is create the kind of friction that will inevitably cause it to bloat and crumple under intense pressure.

The rules have been made, the edict has been passed, the force of law been passed to stone.

You cannot argue against it. Rules are meant be followed with little to question it here on the Internet, with certain exceptions at least if the law does not favor the masses.

To me, let the issue be and don't protest it. Suck it up, and deal with it. Nobody cares for a minor's worthless opinion, for to them, their opinion means jack all. I.E: Any group on the Internet. Civility must be enforced, even if it means getting into an ugly, but short brawl.

Better to get things over with and done swiftly than to drag it out into a treacherous long march of decay.

3702258
I agree, my opinion is worthless... but then again, so is yours.

3702332
I accept your criticism of my stories. You are entirely correct that they are flawed, underdeveloped in some aspects, and lacking in others.

On the other hand, only 'A Finer Vintage' and 'Diaries of the Mare in the Moon'[1] rank higher than 'Sogni Infetti'[1] among Princest stories. So...

[1] Mature so I can't link it.

3702058
Poll is over.

Results: 5 against, 1 for.

Celestia X Human is now banned.

3701306
Sorry, no more disgusting incest fics for you.

3710177 If we ban Princest fics, where will it end? No more clop fics? No more sexually suggestive humor? NO MORE NAKED PONIES? WHERE IS THE LINE!?

3710319
They are only banned here and not on the whole site.

3710323 It's not about logic, it's about sending a message.

And that message is Princest.

3701130 Glad there's one group who don't support incest pornography. As with most shipping ideas I continually ask...Whhhhhhyyyyyy? Whats wrong with Celestia and Luna just being Sisters? What's wrong with female and male characters just being friends? And why in CELESTIA'S OVERSIZED MANE does there seemingly need to be S£* and P*&%$ involved around the show's characters? What's the POINT? How is this a service to the Characters? How is this a tribute to the show we love? Short answer, its not.

Now I'm not arguing against romance, or even making love, it has been done right in other stories and can create some interesting and heartfelt moments, but when its taken to THIS level, with THESE characters, then I have to question why you are watching this show.

So yeah, I readily support this ban, and here's hoping other groups on this site follow suit.

Just to add to my previous argument here's a review of Hearts and Hooves day by Joshscortcher and VoiceofReason, who make some pretty convincing arguments against unnecessary shipping whilst defending an over hated episode, and calling out the fandom on some of its more 'questionable' antics.