My Mind Goes in Plenty of Strange Places · 4:55am Apr 27th, 2014
Yeah, okay, here's some blog ramblings, lifted from my tumblr.
So, lately, I’ve been having random CheesePie thoughts (shut up, they’re my pony OTP and you can’t stop me from shipping them), and I think that they’d be great ideas for fan fics. It actually makes me a little upset that almost nobody has thought of these before I did, and the whole “Cheese and Pinkie throw a party and fall in love” thing has gotten cliche. :( So, without further ado, let me list some alternatives for some nice fics (don’t be surprised that they’re mostly about Cheese):
AU where Pinkie didn’t become a party pony: And consequently, Cheese Sandwich doesn’t either. Okay, yeah, I'm currently doing this one. Whatever happens with the whole ‘eternal night’ thing is up in the air, but I’d like to see others’ takes on this idea (shameless fanfic self-promotion ahoy as I tag it).
AU where Cheese Sandwich never left Manehattan: I have wondered what Cheese would have become if he never ran away. It would depend on whatever you imagine his upbringing to be, whether his parents were good or bad, or even there at all.
Growing Up Cheesy: Speaking of his upbringing, what do you think it was like before he ran off (besides the fact that he was shy and lonely)? I’ve seen a couple of fics try to touch on this… but I think they were a little too melodramatic for my taste…
How Cheese Perfected His Party Prowess: Between the first party and Rainbow’s Birth-aversary, we would see Cheese’s journey from a shy colt breaking out of his shell to a stallion that could make a tea party into a roller coaster ride.
The Pies and the Sandwiches: I dunno, I just think it’d be funny if Pinkie and Cheese’s families met. My bet is that they’d be at each other’s throats. Alternatively, it could be just Cheese or Pinkie meeting the other’s family.
Cheese the Vampire/Werewolf/some other kind of monster: I have a strange thing for characters transforming into classic horror movie monsters. I kinda like being scared like that (as long as it’s kid-friendly). So, how would Cheese deal with that problem?
What if Cheese had a sibling? I’m far too curious about Cheese’s family, and if he ever does come back in the show, I doubt we’ll learn any more about his past. I’m extremely curious about how he’d act if he had a brother that was opposite of him (kinda like Pinkie and Maud). It’d be even funnier if the brother was the wacky one when they were little. Of course, they may or may not like each other…
Aaaannnd my other ideas include possible down-the-line marriage things, and I don’t think you want me to talk about that. XP
So, there you have it. My mind likes to go weird places. And since I enjoy Cheese Sandwich so much and ship him with Pinkie like a luxury liner, that’s where they went.
'Kay, that's all, folks.
Here is my opinion. We need more Cheese as an adult in the here and now, just living his life all across Equestria. He is amazing at meeting any character you want from background ponies to the one-shot support to the main cast to the side characters. Focusing on his history is cool, but why not combine that with a plot where he meets/hangs out with other awesome ponies/other creatures?
While the stuff about his family is cool and could support a whole story, it's going to require a really awesome or conflict-generating cast of OCs (at least, plausibly three or more if he has siblings.) I like these ideas, but I think there is more interest to be had in Cheese reminiscing about the past or dealing with the present that this past created. If that makes any sense. Him as a little kid with his sibling after he returned home would be pretty interesting, maybe, but again that might be better as a grown-up/teenager dealing with his grown-up/teenager sibling.
As for the monster... Have you seen Cheese Bat? You need to see Cheese Bat.
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Normally, I prefer werewolves, but look at that face! And that tail.
I'm actually not a huge fan of ponies turning into other things, but then Bats! The bigger problem is what do you want to do with it? I actually have a psychological horror thing that I haven't gotten around to writing yet. I think Cheese is much more ripe for being broken by his own short-comings, depending on how strongly you want to create and explore them. He's also just freaking amazing when he's angry or confounded, much like Pinkie, and pretty much every other pony ever.
I think it would be more interesting to have him meet the Chimera in the fire swamps, but that's me. Why transform him, when you can have him facing something that is already in the setting and showing how brave and ingenious he can be when facing a challenge? Maybe it's not horror, unless he's frightened, but even Pinkie can feel fear when it's warranted. (Most of the time she isn't afraid of things that won't harm her or anyone else, really. She's frightened of things that she knows could kill her.)
That's actually the biggest downside to what most people are putting out. When they try to explore his sadness and fears, many of them don't really look at him as his own pony. I think it's just from having such a young/inexperienced fanbase, where serial killers, suicides, and random deaths are the main way they try to invest drama into everything.
Cheese confronting his past by facing his parents, presenting Pinkie Pie to them, could be the hardest thing he has ever done.
More importantly, if you want some Pinkie Pie and Cheese Sandwich that bucks the trends, why not have them meet after she's had one of those wacky random adventures the girls often get up to and Cheese has thrown a party, but they're both free, so they decide to have lunch or coffee together. They talk about what they just did, laugh awhile at those antics, then talk about what they like, and then talk about how they see the future, maybe about five or ten years down the line?
That would be hands down awesome and we need more of that. Why does no one do that? Eventually they will. It just needs time. People focus too much on the parties and not enough on the time around those parties. How many parties of Pinkie's have we seen? Yeah, exactly.
But hey... if you want something no one else will ever do? Ever? No one?
Are you ready for it?
They want to grow old together as best friends only. No romance. No sex. Neither of them can commit to anything that isn't platonic. But they love each other. They love each other so much it hurts. No, their stance will never change. They are soul mates, but not like that. Yet they want no one else that way either. It's not even that Pinkie has her love spread so far and wide, and Cheese does in a different manner. That's not it. They just don't think it needs to be romantic. It confuses everyone else, but that's the way they like it.
It's nigh impossible. Can you do that? I consider that a challenge, if ever there was one. I don't think I can write it. Is it possible? It's not even as simple as one of them not feeling the same and moving on with his or her life. It's not relegating either of them to a sibling status, because they don't want anyone else. They don't feel that way about anyone else. It's pure inspiration and general passion for life and something so strange it's nigh impossible.
I'm not saying you should, I'm just saying that's the one thing we will never see.
Them being in other ships in the same fanfic doesn't count. Especially since usually one pony got shipped on a bus, as is often the case of a popular ship being pushed apart.
Sorry, I didn't mean to make that depressing.
Anyway, very few writers treat Cheese as if he exists separately from Pinkie, whether she's the love of his life or not, and it saddens me. He has so much potential on his own too. He needs more fanfiction that is all about him and his life, whether he's apart from Pinkie or not. Even more so when he's apart, because then he has a chance to shine. I love him and I feel bad if he has to live in Pinkie's shadow. Neither of them should be treated that way.
Please write about Cheese's life. He doesn't need to be throwing a party either, although that can spur some surprising stories as well. People need to think about him as any other pony and there are so many other ponies out there for him to meet and have adventures with! So many... it's a shame to keep him secluded like this.
I don't mind at all. How many actual marriage fics have we had? I think most of what we've had have been funerals. The one marriage fic I saw, I didn't even like. It drove me up the wall with anger because it was... well... Let me just say that if you ever give Cheese an annoying brother, please call him Gravy Toast, in honor of that deleted story. (Not name of actual brother from that story. It's the name I was inspired to come up with when I played with making a better version of said story.)
It happens to most of us on the good ship CheesePie.
Hmm. Well, I have given thought to a bunch of this stuff, and I do have some things that I mostly have tossed back and forth with Yildun. I hinted around about it in Slice of Life, but maybe that was the one that was too melodramatic. Since I doubt I'll get to it anytime soon, because I'm hip deep in EG CheesePie, I don't think Cheese's childhood was abusive or even particularly neglectful; just sad. And his mom is kind of awful in her own way. I've always thought that the accordion talent is one that didn't transfer from any special Party Pony abilities. He's just musically talented and practiced like heck as a colt. He repaired that accordion himself, in fact. It belonged to his great-uncle Schmear. Whenever he could, he took his accordion to the Bayroan Ferry (based on the Staten Island Ferry! still a free ride!) and played for the passengers, just for fun, and to get away from his Mom. And one day he noticed he had enough for train fare, and since he was already IN Manehattan . . . .
Incidentally, it drives me CRAZY that the show just keeps talking about "Manehattan." I know, I know, they can do what they want, but they have so many characters who clearly belong to the Noo Yoke-Neigh Jersey area, and it's a pet peeve for those of us from that area that NY = Manhattan. And as far as I'm concerned, Cheese is from Neigh Jersey.
Maybe he still would have been a party pony. "Good morning, Sandwich and Sons, parties, hoedown, shindigs, and hootenannies, what can I do you for? Uh-huh. No can do--I got out of the funeral end of the business. It was costing me a fortune in antidepressants." To me, THAT was becoming a cliche. Pinkie dies, Cheese throws her funeral. I think I wrote the first CheesePie funeral fic, and while it was in the giant queue at EQD, there were more and more of them going up. I was worried that by the time the pre-readers got to it, they'd say, "oh, yeah. This has been SO done."
I think I've seen some "meet the parents" stuff, but it's mostly been Cheese meeting Pinkie's. I don't remember ever having seen the other way around. It would be interesting, but like everything else set in Manehattan, it would involve making up a lot of OC ponies, and I don't know if anyone would be remotely interested in finding out about Gefilte and Horseradish but me. The minute you tag something with "OC," people decide it's going to be some terrible self-insert alicorn special Sue, instead of some fairly ordinary ponies who happen to live in the Broncs or Bayroan (or Nickerlite) and click the back button, or the red thumb, or both.
There was a fic that had a whole thing about Cheese and his brother, but I'm sad to say it was really terrible and the author nuked it. Yildun has a lot more ideas about Cheese's brother, but I think of him as an only foal. Anyway, I do have a giant backstory and a genealogy. (No, he is not related to Pinkie. Ik.) I even know the way I think he sleeps (on his back, all four legs in the air, looks like Fluttershy after a faint. It's unintentionally hilarious.) It's all just quietly filed away where I can use it if I need it, providing undergirding to whatever's up top, if that makes sense.
Also, your fic is a breath of fresh air, and it is CRIMINAL that it isn't better known.
Alternatively, I've been kind of... not exactly disappointed by all of the mature sex romps I've seen Pinkie and Cheese in. I've enjoyed them, of the ones I did get around to reading, but most of them are missing something. Some of them are... OOC. Others are mostly IC, but not really that well-made. If you want to try your hand at that, I'd be grateful even if it didn't quite give me what I was looking for. I'm really not super picky. I just wish for more quality. Always?
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Oh dear. We've just sort of... descended on Sketch-aholic at the same time, haven't we?
I approve, but I'd personally be too nervous to write Noo Yoke or Neigh Jersey. Like it or not, Manehattan may be all that exists... But this is one fanon I would strongly support. At the very least, Noo Yoke could still be just a city and perhaps Neigh Jersey could have an equivalent? Even if not, I'd take it as a city equivalency, maybe... I don't know if that would make you angrier or not.
You need to make a blog post and tell everyone about Neigh Jersey so we can spread that stuff around. With details. Where would it fit on the map? I think there's room on the official map. Heck, there's some cities that exist that aren't listed there... Hrmmm.
Brave the red thumbs! Let the parents reign supreme! Bwahahahaha!
I think as long as the description says "meeting his family" that people should be more forgiving? I'd hope so!
The irony being that I'm an only child myself. I'd be willing to bounce ideas/hand that sucker over. I really didn't come up with that much beyond a rivalry and some potential dynamics regarding mom that unintentionally made it worse. Basically it's like having Prince Blueblood for a brother, only he's the favorite because he's a momma's boy.
And weirdly enough, I was recently wondering how Braeburn sleeps.
No, not for that reason. It was unrelated... It kind of struck me after rewatching a clip of Rarity and Applejack sharing the bed during Look Before You Sleep and I realized it was actually a pretty fascinating thing to consider.
My personal headcanon was already that Flim and Flam sleep back to back, like literally, and they don't shift much in their sleep. Braeburn rolls around a lot and he has random kicking spasms, which means it sucks to share a bed with him.
... No, I'm not weird.
I need to consider how Pinkie and Fluttershy sleep and... so many ponies with sleeping habits!
*becomes morbidly obsessively weirder than usual*
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Agreed! Keep it up!
Although... I should really be in bed. I still hadn't read that new chapter though. Choices.
2052035 I'm preeeeetty sure that isn't Sketch-A-Holic's thing. Which is fine, of course. I'm not going to write it, either. Anyhoo--
--yeah, I like Pinkie and Cheese together. And it's probably me, but I have a very difficult time imagining Cheese with anyone but Pinkie. Obviously, I haven't read a platonic CheesePie story like that, but there's an Arthurian story by Gerald Morris called The Ballad of Sir Dinadan with some of the same elements, but I would not dream of spoiling it for anyone. It is that good.
I almost always think out the possible details of any character, including the way they sleep. In this case, I was trying to work out how Cheese would sleep if he agreed to let Braeburn come camping with him and he had to deal with that. Maybe I was thinking of Over A Barrel, but the friend who will not shut up and let you get some sleep kept occurring to me, and then how many different ways Cheese could possibly play dead until Braeburn finally gave up and went to sleep himself.
Anyway, I think it's a great opportunity for more people to try something beyond the usual funeral party. I have to stick to EG for now, but I don't mind it a bit!
This.
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In a fanfic. Right now. Haha, I'm just kidding! Or am I? Sometimes I can't even tell!
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He'd have the best interaction with any pony he runs into. You could imagine a variety of situations happening with him and whatever character happens his way. So far, I've seen a fic and an ask blog with him and Trixie. I'd like to see him interact with the Flim Flam Bros. Heheh, I often wonder what he does when an Equestria-wide crisis happens...
I once saw a little comic on deviantART where he met the chimera as a colt. Basically what happened was that the chimera started making fun of him with "filly" jokes, and Cheese got annoyed and stuffed her into a giant sandwich.
Their interaction may depend on who's the older one and what the personality of the other would be like. I have been toying with this brother idea for awhile, and thought about the options of him being a spoiled jerk, a smart aleck, a major stick-in-the-mud, the sane to Cheese's wacky (other way around when they were little, just because
), or just being sarcastic. Still trying to decide what kind of job he'd hold, though. 
Cheese Bat there actually gave me the idea!
Although, I'm leaning more on the werewolf idea myself. I'm just majorly curious about how he'd handle the sort of periodic monster transformation and how it'd affect his party planning (being a werewolf would not be good for business). Would he be worried about transforming in the middle of one and ending up attacking ponies?
He has been surviving on his own for a long time, and I imagine he'd run into some danger on his travels. He's doing something right.
When in doubt, kill someone!
Here's hoping that Pinkie works her magic on Cheese's parents. If not, that's their problem.
That'd make a really cute oneshot.
Even party ponies need to slow down and have a nice chat.
I think you're right in that no one would be willing to do it. Sounds like something Pinkie and Cheese would do, but you know shippers: they want them to get together and have foals. Plus, I doubt I'd pull it off either.
Yeah, he is treated like an accessory to Pinkie. It also bothers me when people reduce him to either just r63 Pinkie or just Weird Al pony. That just diminishes his character to a simple caricature.
Yes, he's similar to Pinkie, and yes, he is heavily based on Weird Al. Doesn't mean you can't give him problems of his own and treat him as his own pony.
What really grinds my gears is when people even give him a "Pinkamena" state, down to the straight hair. Come on, people! Can't he be depressed in a different way?!
Was everypony OOC? What was that brother even like that made you so ticked off? Pfft, Gravy Toast, that is a funny name.
The name I've been bouncing around in my head is more along the lines of Tomato... Something, haven't decided yet, just so Cheese could teasingly call him "Tommy". 
Truth be told, I'm actually more interested in seeing what a couple would be like if they were married. Although the wedding itself would be fun, how would Cheese and Pinkie behave as a married couple? What would they argue about? How would Cheese react if Pinkie was pregnant? That's not even going into the nature of Cheese's job. How would they work that out?
Whew, that's a lot of food for thought...
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That is one of my biggest pet peeves. Folks, the "straight" version of Pinkie's hair is how she grew up as a filly! In other words, her hair is magical, rainboom-induced hair. Cheese's hair is naturally curly, and I think at one point I had him bristle it out like a cat's when he got mad.
Anyhoo, you're right that it's fun seeing what he's like with other characters. I'm just sentencing myself to work on the current thing for now. I'm so behind on real-life writing :(
Great ideas. Too many! My mind implodes. Anywho, maybe we should get a group colab from the Pinkie/Cheese writers. I know I'd love to write with my fellow Cheese-Pie shippers. Not sure if it's been done before, but it would be awesome! Then again, maybe it's because I've been on a one-shot kick lately. My mind goes strange places too
As far as the ideas. Oh my Celestia you've got a lot. All so very promising. Personally, I like to make my characters miserable. I'm sort of a sucker for sad backstories provided they're done well. I wouldn't mind more AU stories, I really like what you're doing with yours. Maybe I'll write one with him being a mob boss in Mainhattan and Pinkie's some kind of private eye.
Wow...my thought train just jumped off the track. It's not coming back.
Long live teh Cheese Pie goodness!
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That seems like something he'd do in a Goof Off though. As a reference. But Cheese Sandwich as a Cheese King? Ice Queen=Cheese King. Hrmmm. You need to suggest that to Alarajrogers if you want to see it happen! She has a Robot Chicken parody going on currently and that could actually work there, maybe.
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Stop telling me about things that I'm going to want to read! My time as it is... I must make the time. Crap. So much... two plays and now this.
On top of all the fanfiction I need to get around to reading and writing.
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That reminded me, there is a collab! Most of the chapters are super short. I never got around to reading it, but when I went looking, noticed one was by Scoots2, so I read that one. I can confirm that chapter was good.
It's a lot of fun. After all, conflict is usually not something the characters like but it is necessary to have in a story, more or less. The characters may hate us, but they're just characters.
Mine does that all the time. Actually, you don't wanna know some of the AUs I've come up with. Well, maybe.
I've seen Pinkie as a private eye around and I love that. (I think MMMystery inspired that concept in most of the instances it was born around here.) Her involvement with gangsters I've seen too, but I think Cheese as a mob boss would be... Not impossible? However, the problem is less that it can't be done. Anything can be done. The real problem is what is he doing that requires running a mob? I'd suggest speakeasies but that doesn't really fit his theme (even if you turn it into salt licks.)
I think Cheese works better as the "Dame in Distress" who walks into her office. His connections could be dirty, mind you, but he's just not the mob boss type. Even when he's pretending. I could see him being one of the higher ups, but not the actual boss. Although him being super serious and then super goofy within a really short one-scene comedy skit one-shot where he is in charge would work beautifully. It's just not something that would hold a longer story or anything more serious.
He can organize things, but he's not the bossy type... I dunno. It's not that I feel he has to fit that portrayal. Maybe the joke is that he actually hired her in secret, as part of a complicated scheme, because he wants out of being the mob boss, without having to literally die for it? Definitely food for thought.
I think it depends on how you want to handle it.
I like the idea of Cheese being in witness protection when detective Pinkie meets him. It could go so wrong and so right.
Okay, you know what? I take it back. Cheese could totally be a mob boss but only on one condition. There's more than one mob in Manehattan (entirely possible; historically there were several different culturally oriented mobs) and a rival mob leader is trying to eliminate Cheese because they think he's soft and an easier target to take down first. Cheese needs help and is trying to get Pinkie to uncover some secrets that could get those guys off his tail temporarily or permanently, without her knowing who truly hired her (so subtle manipulation on his end, but he's not out to harm her and he is technically assisting her in unraveling what is a very real criminal mystery at the same time.) You'd still need to know what Cheese is doing illegally though. Maybe he's importing foreign cheeses by smuggling them in?
2053446 LOL and I thought my mind wandered! Ha ha. Well now you've got me started, I'm fondly remembering the original star trek episode A Piece of the Action and a sci-fi novel whose title escapes me. I could totally see him and Pinkie getting tangled up in a mob somehow, then by some ridiculous chain of events, they end up running a large portion of the Mainhatten underground all balanced on a thread of deception. Employ some of the points you were talking about and we'd have a good comedy/crossover thing. Not that I have the skill, time, or patience to write something like that... Still, it's so fun to day dream.
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I've probably seen that episode (maybe more than once), but I'm really fuzzy on names of episodes unless I'm actively obsessed over something (like MLP.)
I think it would work best as a super short one-shot. Maybe 3K at best. Anything longer would be way too hard to carry, because comedy tends to be better in short doses and this really works best as a comedy. It could be done in a serious attempt, but it would still become a parody even then. I would never suggest that Cheese and Pinkie can't be taken seriously, they absolutely can be, but they're too inclined towards that sort of perspective for an idea like this to be any other way and still succeed.
You could also do it as a play they're in. That's the only way I could see it being a somewhat longer format and even that would be pushing it as far as length goes. Some AU ideas just can't carry a long narrative.
2053566 So true! Hey maybe if I'm bored one of these days...
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None of your fics were the melodramatic ones I read, don't worry. And there are parents that are bad at childrearing without being abusive or neglectful, so I wouldn't be surprised at Cheese's reason for disliking his parents. At least he had that accordion for company.
Yeah, I've been told that there were more funeral fics than marriage fics.
What's with people and wanting to make their readers sad? At least with yours, it was neither Pinkie nor Cheese that passed, but someone that they both admired.
With Pinkie's parents, you know who they are and can easily guess their personalities, so it's easy to see why authors choose Cheese meeting the Pies. It would take far more effort to introduce Pinkie to Cheese's parents.
Ah, the assumption of the dreaded alicorn Sue.
Any future fic of mine with an OC would be tarnished by that assumption! 
Just glad that The Rock Farmer's Daughters has the Pies and Cheese at the forefront, and they took up all the tag space.
I did read one where he had a brother; I don't know if it's the one you're talking about, but the brother was a huge jerk. I'm hoping my version (if I ever get around to it) would be more likable, regardless of his relationship with Cheese.
Hey, Cheese as an only foal works; I just like to dwell on the "Cheese's brother" scenario.
At least you're on board with Pinkie and Cheese not being related. It gets on my nerves when anti-CheesePie folks declare their "relation" as fact, with only curly hair as proof. 
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2052926 It's tempting.
Cheese Sandwich, with his magical cheese powers could cover Equestria in eternal fondue...
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Agreed!
Actually, I have a WIP (damn it, I could probably say that for most ideas at this point...) where the twins meet Cheese sometime after the Cider Squeezy ep, are very impressed with his work, pretty much ask him for advice, and he tries to steer them in the right direction but they're just too greedy. So they carry on carrying on and sometime after Leap of Faith, Cheese runs into them and he's incredibly pissed off with what they did in that episode, it's not even funny. He chews them out, explaining that he and Pinkie (whom he's never named directly in their presence; he doesn't want them bothering her, especially not now) had to deal with the fall-out from cheering up all those poor ponies whose hopes they dashed. They're kind of crestfallen, actually, because they genuinely respect Cheese (they've been to some of his parties and seen all the joy he gives away for free.) He leaves them with those thoughts and that's pretty much it.
But I'm thinking of a sequel where they finally meet Pinkie, she impresses them with her salespony capabilities, they want to hire her, she can't and won't do that because she's not leaving her home, but she pretty much hands them the wisdom that Cheese failed to convey. And Flim and Flam never know she's a party pony or that she's the one Cheese more or less called his mentor.
Not dissing Cheese; the whole problem was that Flim and Flam focused on the wrong thing and knowing them they just don't understand party ponies at all, but they can see the results for themselves. So Pinkie realizing what needs to be said without ever revealing herself for what she is would be the way to go. Cheese didn't recognize this, and couldn't have helped it anyway, because they already knew what he was capable of (so to speak.)
Hrmm, or maybe it's not a sequel but the last leg of that story. I haven't gotten back to it yet. Sorry, I like bringing up my random projects. I probably shouldn't.
They could have so much interaction beyond that though. Flim and Flam have a lot of potential too. Their plausible conniving just makes things awkward. I think the three of them could have a lot of fun together otherwise. Alternatively, they could clash a lot with Cheese. There's a lot of directions to take that idea in, even beyond what I thought of.
There is also lots of fun to be had with Cheese and Trixie, Cheese and Trenderhoof, Cheese and Iron Will, and Cheese and that puppeteer from the most recent episode. Cheese and everyone! Cheese and Luna. Cheese and Gilda. Cheese and Fancy Pants. Cheese and any member of the Apple family.
Cheese is best supporting character.
Pffft. The comic sounds cute, but I think it could be more interesting than that. If nothing else, he could clearly feed her some delicious cheese and she'd enjoy it. I think it'd be quite funny if she didn't want to eat him so much as she demanded one of his giant cheese wheels.
Then he's like, "Really?"
And she's all, "YEAH."
So he flattens her with it. Or he jams it into all three of her mouths (it's big enough that shoving her into a hole inside might suffice) and she's still happy because whoooo tasty!
And he hates going that way, but awesome dreadlocks pony needed a party so he had to.
Alternatively, him having an epic mock battle with her, until he just feeds her and gets tired of playing around. Or he takes her really seriously and she's one of the few creatures that he actively loathes. She's plausibly boasted about eating foals before (which might not even be true, depending on how well most ponies handle her.) While I think they might respond to unknown ponies being eaten perhaps with less offense than we do at the thought of humans being eaten, as compared to any other animal a wild creature might eat, (circle of life and all, though ponies still seem to hold themselves in potentially higher regard and responsibility than they do other animals) I think he'd be especially antsy since the foal never got to see much of life and were probably terrified the whole time. I am of the honest opinion that he's not necessarily family oriented but he seems to like foals (he certainly enjoys planning parties for them as much as any other pony) and I think he's empathetic enough that he could imagine how horrible that would have been to get lost and end up in her domain, instead of meeting Pinkie, and getting eaten by her before he even gained his cutie mark.
Also, Cheese and Pinkie have party pony magic, but that doesn't mean they're invulnerable.
Job would depend on what he's like. My basic answer would be a taxi driver though. You can't go wrong with that and it may or may not tie into his cutie mark at all. I can easily see running all over the place runs in their family. Heh heh.
I like the spoiled jerk best, personally, when combined with a savvy smart aleck who may or may not be prone to sarcasm. Sane is a matter of perspective, as is stick-in-the-mud. Maud Pie was an extreme, but she's fascinating. A true stick in the mud would vary, depending on how they're a bore or a drain to be around. In Cheese's case, that could be someone with a super serious personality or someone who is constantly ribbing him.
Tomato and Tommy. I like that!
As for the fanfic... it's still on the internet, just not on Fimfiction. Basically Cheese Sandwich had a crazy ex girlfriend, who's talent was literally "being crazy", and Cheese's brother was a sleazeball who tried to steal Pinkie from him. It wasn't the worst thing ever, but Pinkie was sort of off and on awkwardly written and the OCs were just... ugh. Cheese was so-so and everyone else was decent. No one was wildly awful beyond that. It had some good potential that got wasted with poorly handled melodrama. The premise itself wasn't bad, and I think it's still the only marriage fanfic out there and the only one where Pinkie meets Cheese's family. That's why I was so angry. I was severely disappointed. I would have just brushed it off, but I could see what could have been, so it upset me more.
The brother actually wasn't that bad, beyond being made of cardboard. I like the idea of Cheese having some good ol' sibling rivalry and conflict with his brother. I don't even mind the brother wanting to hit on Pinkie, who isn't interested. The problem is they literally hit our lovers over the head and kidnapped them after a party... then tried to swap, as if Pinkie and Cheese would just go along with it after they were untied and parted ways? I meant, what? It made no sense. It was poorly handled and resolved directly by Celestia, of all the ponies in Equestria.
Anyway, my attempts to ponder a better jerk of a brother was inspired by that. The only conversation they had together sucked too. The conflict was very forced and frankly you could've replaced his brother with an old friend or an acquaintance and it wouldn't have changed much. Or heck, an uncle or a cousin.
My creation was basically a brother who did everything his mother wanted of him, because she thought she knew what was best for them, and while the brother had a good life and was both very handsome and well-liked by others, he was actually very unhappy because he never pursued his dreams. On the other hand, Cheese ran off, found his passion, and continued doing that, in spite of his mother telling him that he was throwing his life away. So the brother is spiteful towards Cheese, because of envy, while Cheese feels somewhat inferior, because brother is actually conventionally quite amazing. Bro has good looks, charm, and wit, which mom constantly compliments and she openly chides Cheese for not being more like him.
Basically, every reason Cheese would have for not coming home much and really not wanting to introduce Pinkie to them. I figured whether bro made a pass at Pinkie wouldn't matter. It pretty much comes to a head while she's there and they finally air out their differences. So ultimately it would've been a story about acceptance, with CheesePie as a bonus and catalyst, but not quite the focus.
Indeed! Cheese will never give her up, whether they like her or not. Ironically, I think Pinkie would be the most upset if they didn't like her, while Cheese would take it in stride and reassure her that it doesn't matter to him what they think.
I don't know, but me and Scoots2 have been wondering about that.
I absolutely agree. You could be the first to write about their married life!
I have some thoughts, but it could go in so many different directions, with so many iterations and permutations. They'd be a great couple to write about, since their arguments would be amazing, no matter what, and whether they have a normal life or not, they'd be rockin' it! The addition of pregnancy and foals or no foals could also be quite fun.
If Cheese continued traveling through-out his life, throwing parties everywhere in Equestria, then those foals would get a personal party every time he came home to see them and Pinkie. I would say he could be all partied out, but it would be a small, private party for only his family and maybe really close friends, so I don't think it would bother him as much. Pinkie would probably be the one to plan them anyway, so he could just relax and spend time with them once he arrived, adding supplemental activities here and there.
I've seen at least one picture of that. I found it amusing, but yeah. He definitely doesn't deflate his hair when he's sad. Pinkie has magic curls. Cheese is au naturale. He would definitely show his depression differently, though his hair could still droop. All ponies seem to have magic in their hair (whether they use it for curls or not), so I wouldn't be surprised if they did that. It just wouldn't turn straight.
Alternatively, it's kind of sad that most people only use her straight hair to show sadness or insanity. She's had it a few times without that. Her sadness doesn't always appear as exactly that either. That's just when she's in extreme depression mode. Her colors darken too, which people also don't always notice. Mind you, the actual cartoon has been really variable on when any of that happens, so it's kind of hard to gauge exactly what sets any of that off, but it seems to be extreme duress that does it. Really extreme. Even Pinkie gets sad or crazy without going full straight mane.
Heehee. I love werewolves, don't get me wrong. They're my favorite monster (for lack of a better term), besides minotaurs, centaurs, and rat-people. (You can tell I love chaos.)
However, here is my problem with them and vampires in Equestria. Why wouldn't the ponies have something to remove the curse? They have reformation spells and all sorts of crazy magic. While not every unicorn can actually cast these (Twilight is exceptional; most unicorns are on Rarity's level and I'd wager Trixie is average or above par), it strikes me as the sort of thing they'd already be able to match themselves against.
There's also the very big problem of examining necromantic magic, although at least werewolves don't involve the dead. They do make me wonder if Fluttershy couldn't simply stop them though. She deterred a dragon and a basilisk. She convinced Discord. She may also be exceptional, but there are other animal-oriented ponies out there. Even Applejack has some capacity in this range and it's not her strong point. I firmly believe ponies can talk to their pets in general and more or less understand their limited responses. Most earth ponies can probably handle animals on a weak scale and certain ponies can strongly influence most animals with enough study and utilizing their magic properly.
Werewolves are a mild problem at best. There's also the question of how he got cursed in the first place, when we really haven't seen any normal wolves near pony settlements. I'm sure they exist, but they're probably much further in the woods and far outside the pony towns. He could run into them, that's not impossible, but getting bitten is kind of a stretch since he's savvy and his goal is to be expedient. He's could take short-cuts, but what short-cut will lead him that way? Not to mention, it seems in truly wild areas, the wolves are the least of your problems. There are chimera, manticores, and plausibly two-headed dogs (I forgot what they called them.) He could still be bitten and get away from a pack of wolves, but he's also got a massive cannon so... It's just kind of weird. Not impossible, but weird.
Ironically, I'd say he's more likely to be bitten by a more realistic vampire bat that somehow got enchanted/cursed by some dumb pony (RL vampire bats do bite cattle and probably horses, large animals that might sleep in the open basically, and then lick the wound.) Even then, it's more of the werewolf equation.
A straight-up werewolf Cheese would be really interesting, but ultimately he'd look for a cure. He'd have to and that would be far more interesting. Maybe he has to hold off on partying for awhile or holding any at night. I can't see him risking it. He'd have too much guilt and pride to dare. If the party went long on time, I think he'd try to persuade the ponies on when to hold it, or finish up as much as he can and then run before nightfall.
Actually, it'd be really interesting if he tried to go to Luna for help. I think she'd notice something like that. He could also ask Twilight, under Pinkie's suggestion.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that unless he can control himself, his first priority, once he found out about it, would be to remove it as fast as possible. He can't live like that for long. That's not a conscientious option for him. If he thought that he could control it, then he might put it off. Otherwise, that's like a death knell. Cheese wants to make other ponies happy just as much as Pinkie does, but he does it in a less personal way. I think that should be the crux of the conflict.
If he has to live with it while the cure is being found, that would be fine, but the resolution would have to be whether or not that is possible, and I think the Mane Six could definitely help him, if no one else could.
Of course, that's not really as horrific. It'd be light horror. I am leery of actually having him savage anyone though. He'd be horribly depressed afterwards. I think that 'd work best if it happened while he has help. Otherwise, him actually attacking some ponies, succeeding in injuring them, and having to face that would be really dreadful and if it ruined his chances of seeking help, it'd be a tragedy. He might try to disappear if he lost all hope. If he attacked Pinkie, I think it'd break his heart. She'd have to reassure him that she knows that wasn't his fault when he came to his senses.
Actually, it has lots of potential. I'm only leery because it could be done really poorly. The whole point of horror is not so much the gore or the pain of the victims, as it is the emotional damage done because of it, although that is a factor. Well, that's my take on it anyway.
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I never understood that. If someone doesn't like CheesePie, all they have to do is say they're friends. Being related has nothing to do with it. It's not a "problem" to be solved. It's not even canon, in the strictest sense.
Kind of funny, actually, since it means they see CheesePie as a threat to whatever they do like. Which is ridiculous. They can keep loving whatever their pairing is and Cheese doesn't have to get involved or he can, you know, carry on living his life as he has been.
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Cheese and the Flim Flams can go in many directions, I agree.
All of those interactions would be gold. I'd especially like to see just how Cheese would get along with Luna.
Cheese is best stallion.
Comic was cute, but the artist could only fit so many panels onto that page...
Demand ricotta from the Cheese King!
And you don't turn down dreadlocks.
Funny thing, I did toy with the idea of Cheese's bro getting a crush on Pinkie... but I dropped it. As for the rest on that story... oh, good gracious...
This story needs to be written. I'd love to read it.
She certainly would. She would be trying so hard to impress them and show them what a great pony had inspired their son... only to be shot down with them blaming her for leading Cheese astray with her frivolous lifestyle.
Darn, I made myself sad.
They would make the funniest and cutest married couple.
And the thought of those foals squealing in joy when Daddy comes home is... just... ADORABLE. They'd probably jump on him and chatter about their little adventures that they had while he was away. And then party time.
And then, on to the werewolf thing:
Yep, definitely a hit or miss.
If there's anyone that can create sufficient lycanthropy lore for Equestria, get Cheese cursed with it in a believable way, keep everyone in character as they try to fix the problem, and keep me in suspense the whole time, I would applaud them 'til my hands fell off.
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I'd be interested in seeing that too, and Cheese is best stallion!
A design? Oh, ummm. If it was Gravy Toast, I'd assume light brown body with dark brown hair (darker variations of Cheese's colors) or else an off-white body and light brown hair, to go with the sort of white bread theme. If it's even more general than that, I'd still assume something similar. I have the feeling Cheese's family is akin to the Pies, only mostly browns instead of various grays.
Agreed. Technically, I wasn't averse to the concept of him having a jerk of a brother or an annoying Ex (though I am adverse to the stereotype of the crazy ex, for reasons beyond not correctly portraying insanity), but the execution was lackluster. Not to mention, there's a lot more subtle conflict that can stem from a wedding.
Although now that I'm thinking about it more, I retract what I said about Cheese being decently written in that story. For the most part, he was, with one major exception. Anna actually wasn't that bad, except for yelling everything in caps and being rather rude in general. Her only insanity was the misguided assumption that she was still together with Cheese (and pretty much pseudo-stalking him.) He wasn't leading her on in any way though. I thought she could have been incredibly interesting, with a better grasp on realistically portraying these traits. She was so over the top, I grudgingly enjoyed it when she showed up.
Then there was this conversation that Cheese had with his brother, where Ham essentially tries to trick him. Even a moron would figure out his scheme, so of course Cheese did. Then after Cheese yells at his brother for being a jerk and bringing up completely valid concerns in defense of his anger, he inexplicably starts thinking he did something wrong. So whenever Cheese apologizes after that, he literally apologizes by saying "I was being like Anna", the ex-girlfriend. I can't even describe how wrong all of that is. Especially since, not long after Cheese apologized to his brother, Ham and Anna hit him over the head and kidnapped him.
Love triangles are kind of awkward anyway. I'm not adverse to those either, especially if there is a resolution that is handled with the level of maturity that I would expect of every character involved (it depends on personality as much as anything else.) I have to admit that I dropped the idea too, because it's really more conflict than that situation needed. Though I think a small crush or general and obvious admiration isn't necessarily terrible. It could be a simple small detail that adds to the main conflict between brothers.
You can steal any of my ideas for Tomato, if you'd like! (Some ideas were already stolen from Scoots2, anyway.) I'm glad it sounds interesting enough, but I'll probably never get around to writing it.
Note: if you wanted the brother to have been wackier in childhood, I had the idea that maybe the brother is actually pretty funny as well, but he gets snarkier and more mean-spirited about it as he becomes bitter, so he makes a lot of jokes at Cheese's expense. I figured mom actually tries to dissuade that, in spite of her own unintentional insults when speaking of Cheese, because she wasn't actively trying to get them at each other's throats. She was simply trying to get Cheese to look up to his brother and hopefully change his ways.
Also, I said taxi driver, but if you really want Tommy to feel stifled, give him a really boring job with a lot of status.
No matter what, I think Tomato would be awesome and I think you should definitely write about him and Cheese in some shape or form. Preferably while Pinkie meets the family.
Also potentially funny. I'll bet mom might automatically assume Pinkie is a bad influence, without ever learning that Pinkie is the influence of Cheese's life.
After all, it's kind of unlikely Pinkie would mention that incident, but I'm betting she wouldn't have to.
Pinkie wouldn't know how to respond to any of that either. Except, perhaps she does? After all, I think her parents were supportive, but clearly they're not much like her, so perhaps she could appeal to his family anyway. It would be a literal miracle and even Cheese might be surprised, but he wouldn't be surprised that she could pull it off.
I completely forget, but I think Pinkie was also probably instrumental in assisting the resolution, by pretty much making the conflict unavoidable and incapable of being ignored, the way most of them were trying to. She tries to bring them back together, but of course there has to be some yelling first, I'd imagine. At least some heated discussion as Cheese finally explodes, unable to hold back his irritation any longer. I certainly imagine Pinkie would stick up for him while his bro is being openly cruel and hiding it behind sarcasm or mocking humor.
Ponies are always best when thrown into turmoil.
You could give it a try anyway. As long as you're aware of what is needed, it would take some work, but it's not insurmountable. I think the bigger issue is just that trying to make a longer story out of it may not work that well, unless the lycanthropy alters his cutie mark and forces him to go into seclusion or otherwise disappear off the face of the earth and so the Mane Six have to hunt him down first. Like he's running around in a wolf pack or something until they find him, capture him, and drag him back to civilization so they can find the cure.
See? I'm assuming this stuff is hard, but I keep finding all the answers. I don't think it's as hard as I keep thinking it is. It would just need a fair bit of planning.
Aw, you're welcome.
Heck if I know. I even started a snarky one-shot about it that I probably will never publish because it would just annoy everyone, but it actually was becoming its own sub-sub-subgenre: the CheesePie Funeral Fic. What always worried me about them was that Cheese felt gutted about it too soon--or he was just there as a background for somepony else's woe. He was getting called in so much that I was beginning to think he was actually a mortician. Not that anyone can't do it anymore, of course. There's always someone who comes in and blows it out of the water. Still, I can't help but feel that if Pinkie actually died, Cheese would be in total denial about it for months, until he had to go get a fresh supply of bubble soap or something because Pinkie is probably running out of it by now again, isn't she, gosh, why does she always forget to stock up on these things, oh, hang on, she doesn't need bubble soap anymore, because she's dead. Then he'd go off and cry in that eerie soundless way he has for days and days, because somewhere along the line, he learned that there's no point in crying out loud. There's never anyone to hear you.
I really want to see that eternal fondue thing now.
People who insist on the whole "curly hair makes them related" thing keep forgetting that Cheese has always had curly hair, and that Pinkie's gets flat when . . . drumroll. . . it's wet.
Exactly. The meat and potatoes of marriage. I always figured that eventually they'd take over the joke shop, but it's not a easy solution, especially since in my 'verse, Cheese and Pinkie have a strange thaumaturgic connection that even Twilight Sparkle doesn't "get." Part of it is that Party Pony Magic is not something you can "study," and part of it is that it's flat out unprecedented. Nopony has ever had some kind of party pony magic charged item connected with one of the elements of harmony complete a closed circuit before. Cheese (my Cheese, anyway), is a bit more head-oriented than Pinkie, and he's still trying to figure out what the heck this all means, while Pinkie knows everything important, which is that they love each other.
Plus adorable foals, of course. "Daddy has only got one tail. Please leave him some of it." (And I think I'm going to use that.)
Cheese is best stallion. No question. I'm all in favor of writing Cheese with other characters. I had a lot of fun writing him with Braeburn, Cherry Jubilee, and Trenderhoof, and it doesn't even have to interfere with CheesePie goodness, because as far as I'm concerned, he loves her so much that he's more or less thinking about her all the time whether he's aware of it or not. Party Pony questing knight, I guess. Has rubber chicken, will travel.
Dangit. I'm so tempted to blab about EG Cheese and Pinkie, but I just refuse to do it. All I'm going to say is that I recently thought about exactly how this would play out (and no, I haven't told anyone about it yet. It's just sitting there.) It did occur to me, though, that probably anyone who tried to give Cheese a hard time would be stunned at how fierce that little pink pony can be. You just don't talk smack about Cheese to her face. She doesn't care who you are. You don't get to do that.
Anyhoo--CheesePie speculation, eh? Always a fun thing.
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*sobs for hours after reading that... there are no words*
Collab or Robot Scootaloo might pick it up? I can dream!
Not to mention Pinkie's entire family has straight hair.
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But ya know... Pokey Pierce had curly hair too.
There's like a cluster of foals hanging off him and getting horsey-back rides. He looks like a possum with babies on it.
Like maybe four or five of them and some of them aren't even his, so he has to shake a few off on his way through the yard and into the front door. Everyone knows that when Cheese shows up, there's gonna be twice as much fun around town, for as long as he's in Ponyville. The herd of excited townsfolk congregate the minute he appears.
You realize that, now you've said it, we'll all have to do our part to convince some artist to draw him jousting, right?
I'm not sure if giant string cheese is practical for that, but...
Oh me, oh my! Is that going to be in the Looking Glass World or shall that be a sequel? Either way, I need to see this some day!
After Filli Vanilli and Trade Ya, I have to agree. I don't think Pinkie has any worries about social ramifications when she thinks/knows that she's right. If Princess Celestia talked smack about Cheese, Pinkie would put her back in her place.
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Lots of ideas have potential; the question is whether or not one has the skill to pull it off. I'm amazed that I'm doing the Rock Farm AU well!
Most of these ideas are the result of my mind wandering anyway.
I don't mind if your thought train derails! Brilliance shall come out of it!
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Replying to two comments at the same time... let's see how this goes.
I don't think mortician is part of the party pony package.
Cheese would totally be in denial for a long time before it finally hits him. He'd probably be trying to convince himself that the news is some cruel joke and Pinkie's still alive, bringing smiles to Ponyville. That moment when he can't deny it any longer... aaannd now I'm sad.
Complete with a cheesy version of "Let it Go."
Even if they were related, I bet it's distant enough that it wouldn't be considered incest. I could marry some dude that I share a great-great-great-great-great-great grandparent with, and no one would bat an eye.
And remember, folks, Pinkie has magical Rainboom curls!
That instantly brought to mind a teething foal who decided that Daddy's tail tasted good. (S)he can detect the faint taste of cake, punch, and fondue, no matter how much Cheese washed it.
Cheese the pony magnet. I'm so tempted to draw that.
Let's just imagine Twilight's face upon the latter situation happening.
I am soooo tempted to borrow that. May I?
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I think it's all part of a common trend to kill off characters for pathos. Cheese is just getting hit extra hard because Pinkie is prime feels bait.
It's funny that Cheese is almost never the one who dies instead, but understandable.
I'm wondering how the lyrics would go, honestly. I can't imagine him saying the lactose never bothered him anyway.
Pretty much exactly that in both cases.
I think it's kind of interesting though. I'm assuming there are other party ponies out there, but they're uncommon. Neither Pinkie nor Cheese were stunned by the revelation, and even though Cheese knew where his inspiration came from, before he reintroduced himself, I don't think the song they were all singing right before he arrived was trying to say the party pony powers were what was unique about Pinkie. In fact, that was the point of most of the songs and essentially the whole episode. It was that they were individuals with their own take on how to use their abilities.
So I find it amusing that some people prefer Bubble Berry over Cheese Sandwich. I'll admit I haven't read that fanfic, so I can't claim to know what differences there are in Bubble Berry, because there would have to be some, but ya know...
To be honest, I don't like Rule 63 in principle. Most people don't actually consider the ramifications that genders and their related stereotypes make when applied to a character and their life. In many cases, it doesn't make enough of a difference to matter beyond certain key elements, but some characters end up at a disservice, because they buck traditional expectations, so swapping their gender around is just making them more stereotypical.
I think Cheese and Pinkie typically fare better than most, but I feel that their relationship becomes more stereotypical. That is how it would seem to me.
... You know how human infants suck on their thumbs? I'm not assuming the foals probably teeth on their own hooves. Like, not the frog (the sensitive padding on the underside) but definitely the outer wall. They can't really damage it and it would seem natural if they didn't have a pacifier or something explicitly made for teething.
But that is super cute. Ha ha Cheese always tastes delicious no matter what. Just hope that doesn't give them hairballs.
It's practically canon! The dance floor scene? And them tossing him in the air and then literally carrying him around for awhile.
I think if a human who arrived in Equestria could inspire ponies to be impressed and prove that they're mostly harmless, they'd get carried around and asked if they want anything or need to do anything important. As long as ponies aren't scared and they're enthralled, you can get them to pretty much pat your back and cheer you on as you do whatever.
Cheese is totally a pony magnet though. He gets drawn to other ponies with an invisible force as it is, maybe.
Twilight's jaw almost hits the floor, so Discord appears briefly, helps it achieve literalism. Other ponies complain, so he fixes it back, then vanishes, because as far as he's concerned, Pinkie did all the hard work for him.
And Cheese passed out the minute Pinkie stopped ranting at Celestia. I don't think he's quite that brave. At least not without someone insulting Pinkie (though he might be kind of assuming that she's hard as nails not concerned with anyone else's opinion, so he might think that, then she corrects him, and he quickly realizes he's wrong and back her up.)
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I strongly approve this turn of events.