6213427 Only Adagio confirmed, Sonata is kinda rusty from long periods of drought so it may take some work and Aria... Well you just can't tell with that girl.
6205809 In that regard, I think I have an ok metaphor to help clarify that: See it a bit like, I assume you've seen the "Terminator" movies? To a degree, this is how your Chrysalis exist. This is the first movie. (just comparatively) They are only an evil robot out to kill stuff. Likewise, Chrys is only a male out to rape. You have this "headcanon", but it's never shown in story. So all that we're left with, is a male Chrysalis trying to rape females. So to speak, you have a second and third movie where the robot can be good or even "female", but as of now, you've only shown the first movie. They are evil robot/rapist male. And you're talking about stuff, that's never been shown :P So referring to it, doesn't really make any sense
... not sure how much sense this made, but I hope I managed make some sense xP It's kind of the "headcanon mistake" that many authors do. Having a thing in their head, but forgetting to acknowledge/mention it. As, like said: You have a headcanon that'd... almost excuse it enough to call Chrys a female. (it works when they're in hive, otherwise not) But this never pops up, so all the viewer is left with, is Chrys being a male, how they see themselves as male, and how they only emphasize being male, but then go "oh, not, they're totally not male despite everything that's written points to it, because of stuff I haven't shown!" x3
Anyhow, hope that helped clarify it a bit. So yeah, unless they'd show actually being capable to rape someone as female and emphasize their female parts equally as to how their males were emphasized. They're pretty much stock model porn male that 180 personality and genderswaps whenever to have sex xP But yeah, we'd really need more femdom (and lesbian) stories. Way too many people just make fake ones. Will blame a lot on them not knowing better, but still. We'd need more of those.
And tbh, if you turn up to have 0 pussy description, then a monologue about the dick, I'd both sigh and shake my head, AND further point to how it helps emphasize Chrys being a male if that's all they care about showing off xP
6214615 Well Chrysalis loves her; for Sonata it's more like lusty-love as Aria said. She's horny and there's a giant stress relief tool right there, and she cares for the one its attached to by proxy. But she loves her dick more than she loves Chryssi. I think Chrysalis would be okay with that outcome. As for Aria, well... Again, like she said, there's one place where her armor is very soooooft.
6213678 Well of course I'm not going to dwell on Chrysalis feminine side when she's only using her dong, for the sirens it's kinda the focal point of their attention. But you're right: as long as I don't put it in the story it's not yet real for the world I'm building, but the latest chapter corrects that I believe. The spin-off will show how she acted before her breeding period too, we'll see if we can reach an agreement then Also if you like femdom I think you'll be happy with that one.
About the feminine description as a whole I do believe that I was sorely lacking in that front (not zero, but really not enough), and will be sure to not let that happen in the future. As I said in the description this is my first clopfic, and I have a lot to learn, so thanks for that advice!
6213608 YES! Redeemed! No but seriously glad you liked it. If you see chapters that you find weak in the future don't hesitate to tell me, I reworked Mile High Club after your comment and it's better for it. As for Rough Ride I may come back to it, but the time I stayed stuck on it really makes me reticent.
I don't even know who dominates who now... Aria, because she's full Siren? Chrysalis because she's Queen and changed Song to benefit her? Sonata, being beloved of Queen? Adagio, because she's older and wiser of three?
6214979 This story can't take much more futa penises captain! I'm giving her all she's got! Also two swords is a fencing match. More and it's just a mess! Someone's gonna lose an eye.
6215018 Chryssi has a sharp horn serrated like a saw, don't know if you can do much sexy stuff with it Now big long white alicorn horns, those you can have fun with, and Chrysalis agrees.
Sirens are unicorns, right? They have that stubby little smooth horn you can put in your butt when you sit on their head! And Chrysalis can change herself to fuck one pone with horn and another with dick! Perfect plan!
Though fic does look like it's one-two chapters away from everyone being pregnant as fuck and timeskip.
6215040 Hippocamps don't have horns, they have fins! You can have fun with those too though. Also you're right, there's one more chapter and a small epilogue. Then I'm attacking the next story, set in this same universe. there will be butt stuff in that one
6215058 I'll release the epilogue and the new story at the same time, I'll put a link I you want. Although just a heads up: the backdoor action won't come before the second chapter, not counting the small prologue.
Awwww what a sweet way to end this chapter, in spite of it being a very dark and messed up one. I can just picture them telling their hybrid children or grandchildren:
Sonata: "And that's how we got together and made you!" Chrysalis: "It was a magical time and I hope that one day you'll come across, hunt down and forcefully impregnate your one true love!" Sonata: "Do you have any other questions?" Child: "...... Therapy. I'm going to need lots and lots of therapy."
6215358 Holy shit I should not have this dumb happy grin on my face, but that image is just so sweet! And messed up! Love it! Gonna keep this idea on my crazy drawer...
Ah, a flying katamari of writhing, moaning, thrusting, sex-addled maniacs intent on impregnating one another with their unholy spawn Just what I needed to read to improve my mood today
6215847 You should enjoy the last chapter then. And I cant help but put some references when I write. Mostly Arnold Schwarzenegger movie quotes. I love that Austrian beefcake.
6215527 Glad you liked it! But really just what kind of upbringing would you think the children of the sirens and Chrysalis would have? Or how would they deal with any issue or questions their children might bring them?
Ex: Off-Spring: Mama how do I get someone to be my special somepony? Sonata: Well what your daddy did was.... Some time later Adagio, opening door: Come on it's time for dinner you can play in you- WTF! Room is full of cocoons containing ponies. Off-Spring runs up to Adagio smiling: I'm just like daddy! Adagio: SONATA!!!
6214784 Glad to hear that made more sense. Like said: It's a veeeeery common mistake for game masters and authors alike. One of the more common ones are when people have their character do x, have everyone hate that character, then go all "The hell? Why are you hating on y? Their backstory, which I totally haven't told anyone, but have them act based off, totally explains and justifies their actions!" :P But yeah, like said, that "oops" kinda shows here, where Chrys is blatantly just a total male in about all regards ;D (Also, while yes, his dick would be their point of attention, but if it's also HIS focal point of attention, ignoring their pussies to goad how awesome his dick is, then again: just further proves my point xD Only way they could've come off as female in my book there would have been if they did all the actions they did, with an equal description focus, but about and with their cunt, and in their squirting gasm, "shot out/extended" an ovipositor, and laid an egg in order to "milk the moment" xP could've come off as herm though if they'd been alternating genitals ;3) -> Anyhow, as of now, the best you could reach with Chrys would be either split-personality/schizo male/female, or a "switch herm". It'd be better than "pure male" for what you want him to be, so that'd be an improvement. Though as said: Then you'd need to keep the continuity going in terms of personality to avoid them seeing schizo or split-personality xP (which, like said, about 95 % of all futa/r63 fics utterly fail at xD) But yeah, assuming you do matching personality (and genital proportion+detail), then yeah, I can totally buy a male/female switch "shi" would then have, true herm style. Assuming you do actual femdom, not the fake, "porn femdom" so many seem fooled by xP
And really neat to hear. Sorry if I've come off as a bit nagging, but this is just a point I've had to repeat a dozen times over, often met by immature bawling by authors. Often with them spamming a "It's not gay!" excuse. Or my personal favorite: explaining how gross they find women overall, and that's why they never want to write about pussies, while big, throbbing dicks are the only thing that arouse them, and how slapping tits on whatever has a dick, totally makes that no homo, and thus; proves how totally straight they are xD Like, literally, I've gotten more or less that exact same excuse by over 23 people on this site xD What's even more derp imo is how these people gang up and support each other in how "wanting to shove a horsecock down your throat while another is balls deep in your ass is the most straight thing a man can ever want!", while having a straight face xD -> Like, trailing off again here, my bad for the rows of text. While nothing is per se "inherently" more "straight" or "gay", as it's a sexual fetish, they don't have to have any basis in reality whatsoever. You do have to excuse me, but I can't stop laughing at these people trying to tell me how it's "totally super straight" to find cunts disgusting, only like oversized penis, and when their "perfect woman" is a curvy man that wants people to call him "big daddy" x3 Especially as they vigilantly defend this with a straight face, utterly unable to phantom how I "can't see this". *Ahem* Sorry for the rows of text. Just got up and replied to this after 2 days of not sleeping xP -> Anyhow, I think I missed the "first clopfic" part, so my bad there. But do know you've been a lot more reasonable+logical than most I run into as said. No idea why, but the futa fandom has a incredibly dense population of thick, arrogant hypocrites. Like, no idea why. Some of the most logical people I know are futa fans, yet it feels like around 7/10 of them are that uttery retarded I described before. Just teeming with double moral and whatnot. Maybe I've just had the worst of luck and only ever run into the worst side of that fandom, constantly for 6+ years but... who knows. So far at least it's been this they're either super derp, really smart, or that 2/10 that just like it as a fetish and don't throw a fit about it. -> But yeah, do know it's super common for people to forget, or even intentionally leave out or undercut the female focus. You could technically do a "revised" version later if you want. But writing myself, I know how "eh" that can be to go back and do xP But yeah, try and make Chrys's cunt close to how "big" their dick is implied. Otherwise it'd both be illogical why they'd only be hung as a male. But also come off as quite pathetic in case of trying to do, if someone ex: close to ½ their size has a bigger dick girth than their vaginal girth. Or if doming another female: if said female got equal size pussy. Doesn't really make her queen sized, if you know what I'm saying ;P (like, she should be able to female deepthroat someone with her unfolded clit, partially thanks to the size difference xD) Anyhow, feel free to PM me if you want writing tips, have questions or whatnot, (like, what the heck female deepthroating is xD) especially for femdom. There's a lot of common mistakes people do in that regard, due to how focused the porn industry is on everything being about the male :3 But yeah, hope I didn't come off too harsh. Know my people skill ain't the best heh. I am kinda known for both being too logical, and writing too long rows xP We might should've taken this over PM tbh haha.
6218759 Don't worry about walls of text, it's pretty hard to be brief when you are expressing your ideas and don't want to be misunderstood. I do it all the time too.
And homoeroticism is a pretty nebulous idea to get a grip on, it's hard to say if some will focus on the D because they are attracted to it or because they just don't know how to describe female genitals. I mean describing a dick is pretty easy, you got lots of neat sexy words like "turgid" or "veiny" or "humongous" or "throbbing" and many others followed by "length", "shaft", "mast", "cock", "dong" etc. Lots of words that can be used to describe and put the D as a center of attention.
But for the V? You have what, "moist" (not very sexy), "dripping" (yeah okay...), "glistening" (what is this, poetry?) and a few others like the common "tight" and all its iterations followed by "slit","pussy", "cunt" and some others, but not many words that are really sexy sounding. You can say "dick" and it's all right, but say "vagina" and it sounds all scientific and shit. So yeah, giving female genitals equal focus is not as easy as focusing on the D.
I'm sure some would say that I have gay tendencies because I focus on the D a lot, but eh, I don't really care. Not like it's a bad thing or anything. Just don't want to neglect the female descriptions to be thorough.
It was deep, it was sensual, it was sexy, it was Barry White.
...
...
...
The mental image this scene evoked caused me to start laughing, hard, whilst I was doing.....things, which were brought to an early finish due to how unexpected it was. In other-words.....you made me laugh so hard that I came.
...I'm not sure whether I should be impressed, or horrified.
she was happy Aria had insisted on taking their sister to safety.
Oh Adagio. If only you knew...
Also, the second half of the scene with Giving No Fucks Aria in the air reminded m me off that scene in All Dogs Go to Heaven with the singing alligator. Chrysalis' size comparison to Aria was Charlie to the alligator for me.
So, are they all pregnant now?
6213427
Only Adagio confirmed, Sonata is kinda rusty from long periods of drought so it may take some work and Aria... Well you just can't tell with that girl.
Everything I said about last chapter is being forgiven during this one:) keep up the good work;)
6205809 In that regard, I think I have an ok metaphor to help clarify that: See it a bit like, I assume you've seen the "Terminator" movies? To a degree, this is how your Chrysalis exist. This is the first movie. (just comparatively) They are only an evil robot out to kill stuff. Likewise, Chrys is only a male out to rape. You have this "headcanon", but it's never shown in story. So all that we're left with, is a male Chrysalis trying to rape females. So to speak, you have a second and third movie where the robot can be good or even "female", but as of now, you've only shown the first movie. They are evil robot/rapist male. And you're talking about stuff, that's never been shown :P So referring to it, doesn't really make any sense
... not sure how much sense this made, but I hope I managed make some sense xP It's kind of the "headcanon mistake" that many authors do. Having a thing in their head, but forgetting to acknowledge/mention it. As, like said: You have a headcanon that'd... almost excuse it enough to call Chrys a female. (it works when they're in hive, otherwise not) But this never pops up, so all the viewer is left with, is Chrys being a male, how they see themselves as male, and how they only emphasize being male, but then go "oh, not, they're totally not male despite everything that's written points to it, because of stuff I haven't shown!" x3
Anyhow, hope that helped clarify it a bit. So yeah, unless they'd show actually being capable to rape someone as female and emphasize their female parts equally as to how their males were emphasized. They're pretty much stock model porn male that 180 personality and genderswaps whenever to have sex xP
But yeah, we'd really need more femdom (and lesbian) stories. Way too many people just make fake ones. Will blame a lot on them not knowing better, but still. We'd need more of those.
And tbh, if you turn up to have 0 pussy description, then a monologue about the dick, I'd both sigh and shake my head, AND further point to how it helps emphasize Chrys being a male if that's all they care about showing off xP
So Sonata loves Chrysalis now.
...
Aria's about to re-learn the pecking order.
6214615
Well Chrysalis loves her; for Sonata it's more like lusty-love as Aria said. She's horny and there's a giant stress relief tool right there, and she cares for the one its attached to by proxy. But she loves her dick more than she loves Chryssi. I think Chrysalis would be okay with that outcome.
As for Aria, well... Again, like she said, there's one place where her armor is very soooooft.
6213678
Also if you like femdom I think you'll be happy with that one.
Well of course I'm not going to dwell on Chrysalis feminine side when she's only using her dong, for the sirens it's kinda the focal point of their attention. But you're right: as long as I don't put it in the story it's not yet real for the world I'm building, but the latest chapter corrects that I believe. The spin-off will show how she acted before her breeding period too, we'll see if we can reach an agreement then
About the feminine description as a whole I do believe that I was sorely lacking in that front (not zero, but really not enough), and will be sure to not let that happen in the future. As I said in the description this is my first clopfic, and I have a lot to learn, so thanks for that advice!
6214735 Are you referring to Aria with that last bit, because she used it referring to Chryssi.
6213608
YES! Redeemed!
No but seriously glad you liked it. If you see chapters that you find weak in the future don't hesitate to tell me, I reworked Mile High Club after your comment and it's better for it. As for Rough Ride I may come back to it, but the time I stayed stuck on it really makes me reticent.
6214806
Yap, she said that about Chrysalis' ass, but siren armor also has some weak spots. Ever seen a dog playing with a long girthy chew toy?
I don't even know who dominates who now... Aria, because she's full Siren? Chrysalis because she's Queen and changed Song to benefit her? Sonata, being beloved of Queen? Adagio, because she's older and wiser of three?
But I know one thing for certain.
we need more big futa-penises
6214979
This story can't take much more futa penises captain! I'm giving her all she's got!
Also two swords is a fencing match. More and it's just a mess! Someone's gonna lose an eye.
6215012
Fair point... but hey, they have horns! It's like magic phallic objects, right!? RIGHT?!
6215018![:rainbowlaugh:](https://static.fimfiction.net/images/emoticons/rainbowlaugh.png)
Chryssi has a sharp horn serrated like a saw, don't know if you can do much sexy stuff with it
Now big long white alicorn horns, those you can have fun with, and Chrysalis agrees.
6215037
Sirens are unicorns, right? They have that stubby little smooth horn you can put in your butt when you sit on their head! And Chrysalis can change herself to fuck one pone with horn and another with dick! Perfect plan!
Though fic does look like it's one-two chapters away from everyone being pregnant as fuck and timeskip.
6215040
Hippocamps don't have horns, they have fins! You can have fun with those too though.
Also you're right, there's one more chapter and a small epilogue. Then I'm attacking the next story, set in this same universe. there will be butt stuff in that one
6215056
Put
dicklink in theasslast chapter! I need to have it. Badly.6215058
I'll release the epilogue and the new story at the same time, I'll put a link I you want. Although just a heads up: the backdoor action won't come before the second chapter, not counting the small prologue.
6215074
I've waited this whole story, I can take a little time. Thanks)
Awwww what a sweet way to end this chapter, in spite of it being a very dark and messed up one. I can just picture them telling their hybrid children or grandchildren:
Sonata: "And that's how we got together and made you!"
Chrysalis: "It was a magical time and I hope that one day you'll come across, hunt down and forcefully impregnate your one true love!"
Sonata: "Do you have any other questions?"
Child: "...... Therapy. I'm going to need lots and lots of therapy."
6215358
Holy shit I should not have this dumb happy grin on my face, but that image is just so sweet! And messed up!
Love it! Gonna keep this idea on my crazy drawer...
Ah, a flying katamari of writhing, moaning, thrusting, sex-addled maniacs intent on impregnating one another with their unholy spawn![:rainbowlaugh:](https://static.fimfiction.net/images/emoticons/rainbowlaugh.png)
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Just what I needed to read to improve my mood today
Also:
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6215847
You should enjoy the last chapter then.
And I cant help but put some references when I write. Mostly Arnold Schwarzenegger movie quotes. I love that Austrian beefcake.
6215527
Glad you liked it! But really just what kind of upbringing would you think the children of the sirens and Chrysalis would have? Or how would they deal with any issue or questions their children might bring them?
Ex:
Off-Spring: Mama how do I get someone to be my special somepony?
Sonata: Well what your daddy did was....
Some time later
Adagio, opening door: Come on it's time for dinner you can play in you- WTF!
Room is full of cocoons containing ponies.
Off-Spring runs up to Adagio smiling: I'm just like daddy!
Adagio: SONATA!!!
Nice one, where is next chapter?
6217539![:pinkiehappy:](https://static.fimfiction.net/images/emoticons/pinkiehappy.png)
Epilogue will have some treats for you if you are curious about that
6217992
Soon my good sir! But not before I make sure it's nice enough.
6218225
Oh nice! Looking forward to it!
6214784 Glad to hear that made more sense. Like said: It's a veeeeery common mistake for game masters and authors alike. One of the more common ones are when people have their character do x, have everyone hate that character, then go all "The hell? Why are you hating on y? Their backstory, which I totally haven't told anyone, but have them act based off, totally explains and justifies their actions!" :P
But yeah, like said, that "oops" kinda shows here, where Chrys is blatantly just a total male in about all regards ;D (Also, while yes, his dick would be their point of attention, but if it's also HIS focal point of attention, ignoring their pussies to goad how awesome his dick is, then again: just further proves my point xD Only way they could've come off as female in my book there would have been if they did all the actions they did, with an equal description focus, but about and with their cunt, and in their squirting gasm, "shot out/extended" an ovipositor, and laid an egg in order to "milk the moment" xP could've come off as herm though if they'd been alternating genitals ;3)
->
Anyhow, as of now, the best you could reach with Chrys would be either split-personality/schizo male/female, or a "switch herm". It'd be better than "pure male" for what you want him to be, so that'd be an improvement. Though as said: Then you'd need to keep the continuity going in terms of personality to avoid them seeing schizo or split-personality xP (which, like said, about 95 % of all futa/r63 fics utterly fail at xD) But yeah, assuming you do matching personality (and genital proportion+detail), then yeah, I can totally buy a male/female switch "shi" would then have, true herm style. Assuming you do actual femdom, not the fake, "porn femdom" so many seem fooled by xP
And really neat to hear. Sorry if I've come off as a bit nagging, but this is just a point I've had to repeat a dozen times over, often met by immature bawling by authors. Often with them spamming a "It's not gay!" excuse. Or my personal favorite: explaining how gross they find women overall, and that's why they never want to write about pussies, while big, throbbing dicks are the only thing that arouse them, and how slapping tits on whatever has a dick, totally makes that no homo, and thus; proves how totally straight they are xD Like, literally, I've gotten more or less that exact same excuse by over 23 people on this site xD What's even more derp imo is how these people gang up and support each other in how "wanting to shove a horsecock down your throat while another is balls deep in your ass is the most straight thing a man can ever want!", while having a straight face xD
->
Like, trailing off again here, my bad for the rows of text. While nothing is per se "inherently" more "straight" or "gay", as it's a sexual fetish, they don't have to have any basis in reality whatsoever. You do have to excuse me, but I can't stop laughing at these people trying to tell me how it's "totally super straight" to find cunts disgusting, only like oversized penis, and when their "perfect woman" is a curvy man that wants people to call him "big daddy" x3 Especially as they vigilantly defend this with a straight face, utterly unable to phantom how I "can't see this". *Ahem* Sorry for the rows of text. Just got up and replied to this after 2 days of not sleeping xP
->
Anyhow, I think I missed the "first clopfic" part, so my bad there. But do know you've been a lot more reasonable+logical than most I run into as said. No idea why, but the futa fandom has a incredibly dense population of thick, arrogant hypocrites. Like, no idea why. Some of the most logical people I know are futa fans, yet it feels like around 7/10 of them are that uttery retarded I described before. Just teeming with double moral and whatnot. Maybe I've just had the worst of luck and only ever run into the worst side of that fandom, constantly for 6+ years but... who knows. So far at least it's been this they're either super derp, really smart, or that 2/10 that just like it as a fetish and don't throw a fit about it.
->
But yeah, do know it's super common for people to forget, or even intentionally leave out or undercut the female focus. You could technically do a "revised" version later if you want. But writing myself, I know how "eh" that can be to go back and do xP But yeah, try and make Chrys's cunt close to how "big" their dick is implied. Otherwise it'd both be illogical why they'd only be hung as a male. But also come off as quite pathetic in case of trying to do, if someone ex: close to ½ their size has a bigger dick girth than their vaginal girth. Or if doming another female: if said female got equal size pussy. Doesn't really make her queen sized, if you know what I'm saying ;P (like, she should be able to female deepthroat someone with her unfolded clit, partially thanks to the size difference xD) Anyhow, feel free to PM me if you want writing tips, have questions or whatnot, (like, what the heck female deepthroating is xD) especially for femdom. There's a lot of common mistakes people do in that regard, due to how focused the porn industry is on everything being about the male :3 But yeah, hope I didn't come off too harsh. Know my people skill ain't the best heh. I am kinda known for both being too logical, and writing too long rows xP We might should've taken this over PM tbh haha.
6218759
Don't worry about walls of text, it's pretty hard to be brief when you are expressing your ideas and don't want to be misunderstood. I do it all the time too.
And homoeroticism is a pretty nebulous idea to get a grip on, it's hard to say if some will focus on the D because they are attracted to it or because they just don't know how to describe female genitals. I mean describing a dick is pretty easy, you got lots of neat sexy words like "turgid" or "veiny" or "humongous" or "throbbing" and many others followed by "length", "shaft", "mast", "cock", "dong" etc. Lots of words that can be used to describe and put the D as a center of attention.
But for the V? You have what, "moist" (not very sexy), "dripping" (yeah okay...), "glistening" (what is this, poetry?) and a few others like the common "tight" and all its iterations followed by "slit","pussy", "cunt" and some others, but not many words that are really sexy sounding. You can say "dick" and it's all right, but say "vagina" and it sounds all scientific and shit. So yeah, giving female genitals equal focus is not as easy as focusing on the D.
I'm sure some would say that I have gay tendencies because I focus on the D a lot, but eh, I don't really care. Not like it's a bad thing or anything. Just don't want to neglect the female descriptions to be thorough.
...![:rainbowderp:](https://static.fimfiction.net/images/emoticons/rainbowderp.png)
...![:rainbowderp:](https://static.fimfiction.net/images/emoticons/rainbowderp.png)
...![:rainbowderp:](https://static.fimfiction.net/images/emoticons/rainbowderp.png)
The mental image this scene evoked caused me to start laughing, hard, whilst I was doing.....things, which were brought to an early finish due to how unexpected it was. In other-words.....you made me laugh so hard that I came.
...I'm not sure whether I should be impressed, or horrified.
Welp, that was some epic sexual fighting.
Oh Adagio. If only you knew...
Also, the second half of the scene with Giving No Fucks Aria in the air reminded m me off that scene in All Dogs Go to Heaven with the singing alligator. Chrysalis' size comparison to Aria was Charlie to the alligator for me.