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Chapter Notes: Big Sky Country (Destination Unknown) · 3:40pm Dec 16th, 2021

Is this the most efficient route west? No, it isn’t. Sweetsong will get there when she gets there; it’s not about the destination, it’s about the journey.


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In many built-up urban areas in the US, large stores or factories are required to retain a certain amount of water on their roof, in order to prevent overwhelming the municipal storm drains. How this would typically be accomplished was with drain pipes that could only handle a certain outflow (specified by local code/ordinance), and the rest of the water that didn’t drain would pool up on the roof until it could.

Obviously, sooner or later you’re going to get too much water on the roof, and you can’t rely on some kind of automatic valve to open bigger pipes. One solution is to have the larger pipes set above the depth you want to allow on the roof (let’s say a maximum of a foot, for an example), and once it overtops that, you let it drain through the bigger pipes.

The other solution is to have wide openings on the roof perimeter—the scuppers Sweetsong has observed—much like the emergency spillways dams have.

So the roof flooding she’s noticed on flat roofs isn’t a mistake, it’s a feature she just doesn’t know about.


By law, in the US, railcars with hazardous cargos are required to be a certain number of positions back from the locomotive or any other occupied car (if you had a caboose, for example). There are specifications for how far back it has to be, depending on the cargo.

Railroads can make a lot of money running what’s called ‘unit trains.’ Ideally, they’re all identical cars with identical cargos departing the same shipper and being delivered to the same receiver. Say, for example, coal from the Powder River Basin. Locomotives and some number of coal cars all go to the loading facility, and then deliver the load to a power plant or dock without ever having to switch a single car in or out of the consist.

Ethanol and crude oil often move that way, as well, both of which are hazardous. While I can’t quote the regulation exactly, it says something like “cars of ethanol need to be sixteen cars away from any occupied equipment wherever possible, and no less than one car apart.” The intent, I’m sure, was if you were picking up a five-car freight to take to a small town, it wouldn’t be practical to haul another 12 buffer cars so that the one ethanol car could be on the very end of the train. How railroads have interpreted that is figuring that they have a hundred tank cars and one buffer car and that technically meets the requirements.

(Usually they have one on each end; that way they don’t have to switch it to the other end of the train when they go back to the shipper.)


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As far as I know, it doesn’t matter what the buffer car is, so long as its cargo isn’t dangerous. Hoppers filled with sand or rocks are common. I presume the load is to help with train dynamics, I don’t think the law requires the car to be carrying a cargo. It’s typically an obsolete car that the railroad wouldn’t make money with.

Sometimes lighweight cars are used as buffers, not for hazmat loads, but for weight purposes. I’ve heard of it for oversized loads (yes, the railroads sometimes carry those, too) to avoid putting too much stress on bridges, but also for rail-marine operations where the locomotive is too heavy to go on the loading apron or the ferry itself. In those cases, they often use flat cars or gondolas so the crew can see over them. I think they’re commonly nicknamed something else, but I can’t remember what at the moment.


I think I mentioned it the last time that Sweetsong got a cab ride, but the locomotive number is everywhere in the cab, since the crew needs to know it. While trains have some sort of timetable identification (such as MRVPW-13), that’s not going to be obvious to anybody but the dispatcher. What is obvious is the big numbers painted on the locomotive that identify it, so in the US at least, trains are typically identified on the radio by the lead locomotive’s number.

As such, you really don’t want the crew to forget what locomotive they’re in. I can tell you when I drove wrecker, I was typically assigned to 15 and was used to responding to that number. One night I was in 22, dozing behind a car dealership, and the dispatcher kept trying to reach me. When “Radio 22” failed to get a response, he switched to “Radio 15,” and I immediately replied. (On our trucks, the number was only painted on the outside.)

The solution is put the number on everything in the cab, so no matter where the crew operating the train is looking, or what they’re doing, they’ll find it.


Since the trains travel on rails, there’s no need to spend the money to put an actual deck on the bridge, and many bridges are actually open between the ties. If you’re walking across a railroad bridge (which you should not do!), you want to be careful where you step.

If you jump to about 5:23 in this vid, you get a brief top-down shot through the open ties:

And if you want to see what it looks like going across the same trestle in a train:

Did I mention they don’t make the bridges much wider than they need to be, either?


I forgot to mention this in the last blog post. Kicking a railcar (or a cut of cars) is uncoupling it from the train while the train’s in motion, and letting it coast where it needs to go. Believe it or not, back in Ye Olde Times, some passenger stations in England were served by uncoupling a car from the express train as it went by, and letting it coast on a side track into the station.* I assume later it was picked up by another train.

Depending on the railroad and what you’re actually doing, kicking cars on the main line is discouraged or outright prohibited; it is, however, often done in rail yards. Once the cars are uncoupled from the train, the only control you’re going to have over them is if you’ve got a crew member riding on them to set the brakes at the right time. Different switching circumstances sometimes make kicking the cars an attractive option, either to save time or to avoid having to push cars backwards for a long stretch (which usually involves a crew member riding the front-most car with a radio so he can report to the engineer, or going slow enough that a crew member can walk alongside).
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*If you kick a car into a facing track, that’s referred to as a ‘flying switch,’ and now you not only have a car going that’s not attached to a train, but you’d better throw the switch at the right time, or you’re going to be derailing equipment. If the car doesn’t make it all the way (say, it’s not going fast enough), you’re going to foul the switch and depending on the track layout, you might wind up with your locomotive stuck on the wrong side of an industry track.

Here’s a video of the Southern Pacific performing a flying switch back in the day.

That move would almost certainly be banned by any modern railroad.


I’ll be honest, I don’t know much about this song but it felt appropriate for this chapter.



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Speaking of ABBA, back in the day locomotives often had A and B units . . . the A units were the ones with cabs, and the B units were the ones without.

Thus, a four-unit consist could be an A-B-B-A consist, which I’m sure is not where the band got its name.

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I was reading your post and I didn't know that freight trains even used cabooses anymore. One thing I've noticed with Union Pacific and BNSF trains is that sometimes they have an engine on the back of the train these days. Very interesting info about the buffer cars though. I'd assume there would have to be something to separate hazardous materials from the engines.

I really love these chapter notes but, jeezuz, that last picture is horrifying! :twilightoops:

Um Crusaders, if your big sisters find out about this you're in sooo much trouble.

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ABBA was named after the group's members. Agnetha, Björn, Benny, Anni-Frid. :twilightsmile:

Thank you for writing, as usual, chapter and blog post both!

And yeah, that last image is the main reason why one should not walk across railroad bridges. Especially single-track ones. They have room for you or a train, and if both should happen to try to use the bridge at the same time, it's not the train that's going to lose...

(What does "stand by me ref" mean, though? Sorry.)

it says something like “cars of ethanol need to be sixteen cars away from any occupied equipment wherever possible, and no less than one car apart.”

Oh, is that how I ended up once seeing a string of tanker cars going past at a crossing consisting of Liquefied Propane / Liquefied Propane / Anhydrous Ammonia / Chlorine / Anhydrous Ammonia / Chlorine / Liquefied Propane / Liquefied Propane ?? Because that seemed like a really poor choice if anything happened. Like, the worst possible way that they could have lined those up...

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I was reading your post and I didn't know that freight trains even used cabooses anymore.

AFAIK, they don’t. Sometimes cabooses are used on locals, and called ‘shoving platforms’ or something similar, a place for a crew member to stand and radio to the crew. I think ‘normal’ caboose operation stopped in the early 80s, and it’s a shame it did.

One thing I've noticed with Union Pacific and BNSF trains is that sometimes they have an engine on the back of the train these days.

Yeah, those are the DPUs—distributed power units. Controlled remotely from the lead locomotive, although back in the day such locomotives would have an engineer and conductor (and depending on union rules, brakeman) riding in them and they’d communicate with the head end either with radios or whistle signals.

Very interesting info about the buffer cars though. I'd assume there would have to be something to separate hazardous materials from the engines.

Going by the intent of the law, it’d be more than one car, honestly. But in terms of implementation, it’s one car minimum.

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I really love these chapter notes

Thank you!

but, jeezuz, that last picture is horrifying! :twilightoops:

Not only is it a reference to Stephen King’s Stand By Me, but also an IRL risk. Back in the first story blog post (I think), I mentioned the dangers of hopping trains and how even people who knew what they were doing got killed by trains . . . that’s how Stobe the Hobo bought it, caught on a bridge with no escape.

Don’t play on the tracks.

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Um Crusaders, if your big sisters find out about this you're in sooo much trouble.

Hopefully they find out before a solemn policemare informs them what happened . . . but yeah, don’t mess around on the tracks. Train will get you.

ABBA was named after the group's members. Agnetha, Björn, Benny, Anni-Frid. :twilightsmile:

Thank you! :heart: I didn’t figure they were named for a common locomotive arrangement back in the day, but since I decided on a railroad-themed song, it was an interesting coincidence.

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Thank you for writing, as usual, chapter and blog post both!

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And yeah, that last image is the main reason why one should not walk across railroad bridges. Especially single-track ones. They have room for you or a train, and if both should happen to try to use the bridge at the same time, it's not the train that's going to lose...

Yeah, you ain’t kidding. At least if you’re walking on the mainline and reasonably attentive, you’ve got a chance to dive for cover if a train comes along. But if you’re on a bridge, well . . . it’s not going to end well.

(What does "stand by me ref" mean, though? Sorry.)

There’s a Stephen King story called “Stand By Me” where the characters find themselves on a single-track bridge as a train is coming, and the image is based on that.

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Because that seemed like a really poor choice if anything happened. Like, the worst possible way that they could have lined those up...

I don’t think there’s a rule about how far different kinds of HazMats have to be from each other, just how far they have to be from the locomotive. Train derailments with HazMats and the almost certain resultant fire/death cloud are luckily not common, but they do happen and the results are never good. Gas cloud that kills you or fireball that kills you aren’t the options you want, and it never gets better when you combine two kinds of HazMat.

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I seem to remember a film where one of the characters was in that situation, and hung off the end of a tie to avoid being squashed. Might have been Stand by Me? Or maybe Emperor of the North? That's gonna bug me, now...

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Chlorine? Kills you. Anhydrous Ammonia? Kills you. Combine them? You get an even nastier gas. Which also kills you. Speed up the reaction with lots of heat and spread murder gas all over a much larger area with a propane explosion? ...yeah, that would be very bad.

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Yeah. Best case scenario for getting caught out on a single-track rail-only bridge, you're over water and can make a safe jump into it and swim to shore. Or maybe being over land and low enough that one probably wouldn't be too injured, with "too injured" including "won't die before the people the train crew hopefully tell about me get here for my combined rescue and arrest". Or I suppose maybe if there's a high tree nearby, one could try to jump into it and hope that goes at least better than falling straight to the ground.
Just overall a bad idea, is the point.

Ahh, thanks. I don't recall hearing of that before. And that does explain what inspired the image.

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I seem to remember a film where one of the characters was in that situation, and hung off the end of a tie to avoid being squashed. Might have been Stand by Me? Or maybe Emperor of the North? That's gonna bug me, now...

In the book, the kids made it off the trestle before the train came. Not by much, but they made it. In the movie, I don’t know, I haven’t read it in years. I haven’t seen Emperor of the North.

I didn’t mention it in the blog post ‘cause it’s kind of a downer, but that’s how Stobe the Hobo bought it; he got caught on a bridge with an Amtrak train and nowhere to go.

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Chlorine? Kills you. Anhydrous Ammonia? Kills you. Combine them? You get an even nastier gas. Which also kills you. Speed up the reaction with lots of heat and spread murder gas all over a much larger area with a propane explosion? ...yeah, that would be very bad.

I know of one case where the TV film crew was miles away from the flaming wreckage, since their first location a mile away wasn’t far enough away. Leaking gasses can obviously cause all sorts of catastrophes, and you’d better hope that you can evacuate people fast enough. I don’t know of any modern North American train derailments where a poison gas cloud killed a significant number of people, but wouldn’t be surprised if they’d happened. I do know of at least one where an explosion and fire did.

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Yeah. Best case scenario for getting caught out on a single-track rail-only bridge, you're over water and can make a safe jump into it and swim to shore. Or maybe being over land and low enough that one probably wouldn't be too injured, with "too injured" including "won't die before the people the train crew hopefully tell about me get here for my combined rescue and arrest". Or I suppose maybe if there's a high tree nearby, one could try to jump into it and hope that goes at least better than falling straight to the ground.
Just overall a bad idea, is the point.

You can also lie down flat and hope the train has no dragging equipment, but of course the best option is to never cross a railroad bridge where there’s any chance at all of a train coming (if the rails have been removed, you’re probably not in danger of being hit by a train, for example).

There was one in Kalamazoo over the Kalamazoo River that I thought about crossing but never did. It wasn’t very high and wasn’t very long and the tracks were straight for a good distance in both directions, so the chances of being surprised were low, but not zero.

Ahh, thanks. I don't recall hearing of that before. And that does explain what inspired the image.

In the book, one of the ways King really set up the suspense well was the narrator felt the rails vibrating as the train approached, and then King spend two pages describing the scenery and the character’s inner thoughts before he started to run.

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Yeah, I used to watch Stobe's videos, and I was sorry to hear about his death. To be honest though, alcoholism combined with freight-hopping isn't exactly an effective recipe for a long life.

Emperor of the North is my favorite hobo film, and worth a watch, IMHO. ("Inspired" by the writings of A-No.1)

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Yeah, I used to watch Stobe's videos, and I was sorry to hear about his death. To be honest though, alcoholism combined with freight-hopping isn't exactly an effective recipe for a long life.

I watched some, too, although I came to him through Shoestring’s videos. And before I knew about how he died (or that he had), I was watching one of him being stupid on the bridges of Keddie Wye and was thinking ‘if you’re acting like that, you’re gonna get hit by a train.’ It’s one of those things where it’s sad, but nobody was surprised, I think.

Emperor of the North is my favorite hobo film, and worth a watch, IMHO. ("Inspired" by the writings of A-No.1)

I’ll have to check that out. :heart:

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Hm, true, if you can get low enough and there's no dragging equipment, that'd work. Not a comfortable gamble to be making, though, in more ways than one, aye.

Wise decision, I think. Probably, you would have been fine... but expected value takes into account the magnitude of an event in addition to its probability.
(And even if a train did come along but you were able to avoid it, of course, that probably still gives the driver a scare, might interfere with railroad operations, depending on circumstances, might also get you a visit from the police...)

Huh; interesting. A "Hum, rails are vibrating. Other stuff, other st-- Wait, oh sh*t, run!" sort of thing, where the character casually notices, but doesn't really process it, while the narration conveys it in a way the reader has an easier time figuring it out, so there's a period of the character continuing to go about their business while the reader shouts increasingly frantic advice at the page, or the like?

There's actually some precedent for getting between the rails and surviving:

Of course, if you've got a backpack on, you're probably screwed: you probably won't clear the bottom of the train and will get dragged. And, of course, while the railroad wants to avoid dragging equipment I don't think you want to bet your life they will.

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Hm, true, if you can get low enough and there's no dragging equipment, that'd work. Not a comfortable gamble to be making, though, in more ways than one, aye.

Yeah, it’s a big if. There shouldn’t be dragging equipment, but then that’s not something you want to bet your life on.

Wise decision, I think. Probably, you would have been fine... but expected value takes into account the magnitude of an event in addition to its probability.
(And even if a train did come along but you were able to avoid it, of course, that probably still gives the driver a scare, might interfere with railroad operations, depending on circumstances, might also get you a visit from the police...)

That was my thought. It would probably be okay, but it was better not to risk it. Maybe if that was the only way to cross the river in miles, it could have been worth the shot, but there was a perfectly good road bridge with a sidewalk a block away, so there was really no excuse to try.

Huh; interesting. A "Hum, rails are vibrating. Other stuff, other st-- Wait, oh sh*t, run!" sort of thing, where the character casually notices, but doesn't really process it, while the narration conveys it in a way the reader has an easier time figuring it out, so there's a period of the character continuing to go about their business while the reader shouts increasingly frantic advice at the page, or the like?

It was even better than that, the character has an almost instant realization, and King just goes on with other narrative before the character actually starts moving. So you (the reader) know a train’s coming, and he (the character) know a train’s coming, and King’s giving a nice description of the river flowing under the trestle or the distant forest or whatever.

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There's actually some precedent for getting between the rails and surviving:

It’s totally doable, just the rails themselves are plenty high, and then there’s more distance between that and the lowest parts of a train (I haven’t measured that, but I’d guess at least six inches) and I know for a fact when I was younger and skinnier I could squeeze through an opening one cement block high, but I’m not going to bet my life on that, y’know?

Of course, if you've got a backpack on, you're probably screwed: you probably won't clear the bottom of the train and will get dragged. And, of course, while the railroad wants to avoid dragging equipment I don't think you want to bet your life they will.

I think that’s what did Stobe in, he tried to flatten himself against the side of a bridge and it might have worked except for his backpack. Or that’s what I heard, I don’t know all the details and it’s probably better that way. I figure on a mainline with the dragging equipment detectors, there’s a good shot you’ll clear a train if you lie down flat, but it’s totally not worth risking your life to find out. Something might have come loose, or you might be a little bit taller than you think, or something gets caught and drags you . . . best to just stay off the tracks, which really cuts down the chances of getting killed or maimed by a train.

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Right.

Well, other than "rail infrastructure is cool". :D
But yes, one must know when it's better to appreciate that coolness at a distance.

Ahh, so it's not actually time passing in-universe, just the narrator building suspense?

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Ahh, so it's not actually time passing in-universe, just the narrator building suspense?

Yeah, in universe I think it’s a couple of seconds, but King spends several pages on those seconds.

I should really find my copy of the book and quote some of the relevant text.

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So I found my copy, and it starts off with “[The rail] thrummed in my hand.” (when the narrator realizes that a train is coming), then it is 49 lines (I counted) before the narrator shouts “Train!” and begins to run. At a guess, around 500 words from knowing the train is coming until the narrator starts running.

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Ah, thanks!

That last image of the crusaders on the train bridge reminds me of a movie where these kids did the same thing and a train approached. It took place in the 1930’s or 1940’s I think. One of the kids feet were stuck between the rails and he lost his leg when the train ran it over.

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I don’t know about that one.

The image is tagged with ‘Stand by Me’, a Stephen King novella (and movie) where kids are following a railroad track in search of a body, and there’s a scene where they’re all caught on a trestle/bridge as a train’s coming which is kinda similar, although in the novella they all get off the bridge unharmed before the train gets there.

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I found it. The movie is called Fried Green Tomatoes and is based off a book by the same name. It was filmed in 1991 and takes place in Alabama in the 20’s or 30’s

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Huh, I’ve heard of that movie but never watched it. Getting stuck on the tracks when a train’s coming isn’t a good way to go . . . one of the hobos that sort of inspired this story (Stobe the Hobo) got killed when he was on a bridge and couldn't get out of the way of an oncoming train.

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What’s also odd is that happened twice in the movie. The first one happening to Buddy, and then I believe another boy named after him Buddy Jr. Buddy Jr lost his arm but survived. There was even a funeral for his arm.

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You’d think that Buddy Jr. would have learned to stay off the tracks.

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True. Although I think there was a ten or so year time gap between the events.

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