2 mass shootings in a week? · 12:33pm Mar 23rd, 2021
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/18/us/robert-long-halfway-house.html
https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/boulder-shooting-colorado-10-killed/
You know... every time something like this happens, I have to ask; What the fuck is wrong with you America?
All I see in American news is constant violence between people. Black people attacking people, white people attacking people, and mainstream media screaming "White Supremacy!" while not even making an attempt to do anything about it. It's just all tiresome and I can't help but wonder, What the hell is anyone doing to try and stop it? Well, when I ask around hard left-leaning areas, I get the same answers of "white people are inherently racist" and "all sources of racism need to be destroyed" (Add those two together and you basically got people saying white people need to die to get rid of racism.) Enough those few hard-right people I eavesdrop on, think America is beyond repair and they're just watching everything burn from a cozy spot with a bag of popcorn. At least people center-left and center-right agree that something less extreme needs to be done.
In my opinion, lots of what i'm seeing is just adding fuel to the fire. People keep screeching about "whiteness" and "you're evil cuz you're white!" and other things constantly at mentally fragile people, and eventually those people break and go on a shooting spree. People don't seem to realize that screaming about a problem, while not making an effort to do something about it, isn't helping in the slightest.
Honestly I wish I had a concrete answer to solve this madness rationally and peacefully, but after all the chaos last year, I feel like it's going to be a waste of time.
Starting to wonder if this summer is just going to be another year of constant riots.
to be honest I'm not gonna point fingers or go hardcore here but the reason there is a lot of shootings and a lot of violence is "other groups" choose to ignore the real issue on hand and as for the people that "call white supremacists out" and the"racist" are well you can guess my answer
Not to mention for years we've all heard the same thing over and over many have given up cause there tired of the same BS
That's my 2 cents
Anon -
The mass shooting are symptoms of mass systemic problems across the spectrum. Both primary parties like to either ignore/deny the problems in the hopes they will go away and/or over-politicize the problem in the hopes of drumming up fear votes. Also too many people are looking for the band-aid problem, but that won't work when you have an open and weeping sore.
These are just a few problems that need to be addressed if we want to reduce our overall violent crime rates, make people jump through more hoops when they want to buy firearms(better funding and staffing for the background check agencies, waiting periods on all firearm purchases, extensive psychological screening), push your local and state governments to make the police go back to crime prevention instead just arresting criminals and failing that, slash their funding and send to to other other agencies, true, well funded universal healthcare(mental health would be part of this because the shooters are seriously disturbed people), across the board handgun bans(I know this will trigger a lot of people, I don't care. I'm not anti-gun, but because no real things have been done, everyone gets punished), tighter internet regulations to crackdown on all propaganda websites.
These are just a few ideas, I know they sound a bit drastic, but because no real meaningful legislation to actually reduce violent crime has been done for decades, maybe drastic is what we need right now.
It's altogether too easy to get accused of racism if you're white.
Why, because people are not sane. They have issues that get ignored. No place to turn. And trapping them at home isnt helping.
One of the biggest reason mass shootings keep happening in the US is because of the sensationalist, fear-mongering mass media here. They splatter the names of killers for all to see, making murder one of the quickest and easiest ways to become famous.
There are a lot more mass shootings than you hear about from the media, using the definition "mass shooting = four or more individuals struck by bullets". But most of those are tied to gang violence, and we know journalists and politicians don't care about that.
Media focus is reserved for shootings with a greater number of fatalities, especially those where journalists and politicians could see themselves as one of the victims.
5481521
Soooo... Punish the innocent to stop the criminals. No. You don't do that. That is madness. Authoritarianism. Tyranny. That is handing even MORE power to the ones making the problems in this country worse to begin with.
As an example, did you hear about this case in the media that reaches you?
Five people shot, four dead, including a 7 year old girl. By a repeat criminal. But it's just "domestic violence". A local story, if that.
5481533
A mas shooting is defined as any shooting event where one person injures or kills 3 or more people(the shooter can be part of this because of self-inflicted gunshot injury/death).
5481534
I'm willing to listen to other ideas.
5481521
Your entire lists there is an authoritarians wet dream. Not just no, but hell no.
There are a few solid facts we have over the years.
Almost all "mass shootings" take place in gun free zones where only criminals will have firearms. Meaning easy prey.
Almost all of the shooters did not acquire their firearms legally. Meaning that if people want to get them, the black market will always provide.
In places where the first point is not true. Casulties are far less and criminals are less likely to go if they know that deadly responce could be waiting for them.
The news media sensationalizes these crimes for ratings. Which in turn spuns other mentally unstable to try it as well for their voices to be heard or their own 15 minutes of fame.
Crimes will always happen, but if you want to limit tragedies like this? Have everyone armed. Jackasses will be less likely to try something if everyone in a walmart is ready to return fire.
In minnesota, most gunshot wounds treated at hospitals are on victims of crime.
In texas, most gunshot wounds treated at hospitals are on PERPETRATORS of crimes.
To be fair, other big countries have random public attacks, just that guns get more media attention.
They don't like to talk about the knife attacks in the UK, the acid attacks in France, the "trucks of peace", ect. Its not that they don't kill people, they get plenty of victims.
It's just that it's not as attention grabbing. Or not politically correct to talk about.
Can't speak for other countries, but the group doing it in America is put down constantly and told their problems don't matter, further damaging their mental health. Not the only reason they do it, but it sure as hell don't help.
5481541
Exactly this.
The places with the most civilians armed have less crime. The places where the populace has been disarmed, well, look at Detroit, Chicago, ect.
There's two main issues for this. One is that obviously, firearm restriction laws simply do not work in the US. Places with the most restrictions routinely see the most violence, year after year, because the only people disarmed by those restrictions are the law-abiding citizens who become victims. Conversely, places with the fewest restrictions see far less violence.
The other is the mental health crisis in the US. The population is saturated with preservatives, anti-depressants, antibiotics, opioids, fluoride; an incredibly unhealthy perspective on what "mental illness" is and what it means; loud social pressure that encourages people to choose learned helplessness and victimhood over taking responsibility for themselves; and exploitative media companies that profit from increased conflict, distrust, division, and fear.
Neither of those issues has happened by accident. The leaders who should be working to fix these systemic issues won't; they benefit from the situation as well via lobbyists and votes. We have been deliberately brought to just short of a boil, and no one with the power to do anything is interested in turning down the heat.
The only thing you can do as an individual is protect yourself, lawfully and legally. That means taking personal responsibility for your own safety, which as noted is heavily discouraged via promoting victimization and celebrating mediocrity. "I shouldn't have to, someone else should fix it for me!" Well, that's not going to happen. You play the hand you're dealt, not the hand you wish you had.
Video games! Video games cause all the worlds problems.
5481543
The problem is that most civilians don't have the training on what to do when the bullets start flying and they start panicking which can be more deadly than the attacker.
More armed civilians doesn't mean a lower violent crime rate, Alaska leads the nation in murder and also in gun ownership.
A question we all should be asking and I should have included it in my original reply is...what is leading these people to believe that violence is their first, last and only option? Violence should be the nuclear option, the the go-to option.
5481547
How the hell is Alaska at the top? Over Illinois, Michigan, and new York?
they had 69 to California's over 1600 in 2019. If we go by per 100,000 people there are 3rd (fifth If we include territories like Puerto rico) on the murder list. Wtf Alaska.
Elk not good enough anymore, need some new meat?
Dunno if that's attributed to the guns, but we can't just blame that and take them from people. Especially in Alaska where so many animals are dangerous and big as fuck.
Every time there's any significant bill brought up to change availability of guns for criminals, previous offenders or people with a history of mental illness the NRA shoots it down (pun intended). It's not even just partisan alone... most people in the US want reforms that ensure dangerous people don't get access to the guns, but there's always an excuse brought up.
Doesn't matter if the GOP or the Dems send the bill. NRA lobbyists will remind policy makers of who gave them money, and also immediately campaign on how any change or reform is an attack on the 2nd Amendment and how it's sacrosanct and constitutionally untouchable despite the fact that it's, you know, an amendment to the constitution, but semantics, I suppose.
And sure the details are where GOP and Dems could disagree on, but for them to reach an accord and pass law, the bill needs to at least hit the floor without the NRA and entities like that throwing the word "constitution!" like it's a trademark, and suck up the fact that they will experience monetary loss in exchange for a safer country.
5481553
What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not get? Also it's a part of the bill of rights which is a core part of America.
Furthermore overall crime is at an all time low if we look at the history of crime over the last 100 years thanks to the FBIs compilation.
And furthermore, cities that have banned guns have some of the worst gun crime. Chicago, New York, LA. Because when you prevent law avoiding citizens from having the ability to defend themselves, only criminals will have guns.
Your entire arguement is factually incorrect.
Edit: Also what "reforms"? I bet money you've never bought a firearm though a legal retailer in your life. It's easier to get the ingredients to make meth in this country at stores than it is to get guns at stores. Last I checked children's cough syrup didnt have a waiting period and a background check.
5481552
Alaska has more crazy people than Texas and more meth and bath salts than Florida. Then you take that there are parts that see no sunlight for weeks, then no night for the same amount of time and combine it with the insane weather, you have all the ingredients for the perfect shitstorm.
5481563 Of course it is, Wilzin, of course it is. Heaven forbid an amendment is amended to benefit the people of the US, despite the fact that it was created with that specific provision in mind because the forefathers knew it was not perfect. But whatever dude.
5481553
Yes, most people want common sense gun laws that actually protect people, but when groups like the NRA use their lobbyists to block those bills, the inevitable clap-back are bills on the docket like HR 127.
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5481568
You are arguing that people should not have the right to self defence. You are morons.
Shall not be infringed. Meaning every gun law is unconstitutional.
5481563 Oh, and for the record, before you start on a diatribe of why the Constitution is Sacred and Unchangeable, that was a side comment to the point of my argument: that the NRA and other Lobbyists use it gratuitously to prevent any law that might affect their sales.
5481569 Personal insults and obfuscating (and conversely missing) the point. How typical. When did I say people should not be able to defend themselves? Please quote me directly and don't paraphrase. I really want to know.
5481571
Guns are for self defence. You want to limit who has access based soley on your fear of firearms and what someone might do.
You want to remove people's ability for self defence.
5481572 QUOTE. ME. SAYING. THAT.
(Edit: Same as the other one, for posterity)
5481570
The NRA's is a lobbyist group where a vast majority their donations are from individuals. Not business owners.
Or are you going to argue that all lobbying groups should be removed?
5481574 I didn't say that either. Quote me saying that too, please.
edit: your post for the record since you are free to change your posts without notice over here without people raising a fuss and whenever I change a word or two, or even clarify something I'm accused of tampering:
5481575
Quote me quote me.
You are obfuscating constantly. You argue that guns laws should be passed and that this will somehow make things safer. History has shown otherwise. That in every instance where the citizens access to firearms was limited by the government, both crime and governmental overreach increased dramatically.
5481576 No, I just called you out on trying to turn around what I said to benefit your lack of argument. You can't quote me because I didn't say that, despite you wanting to put words in my mouth. Too bad, huh?
5481576
Yes. Like Australia, which is suffering from so many school shootings. Ignoring the fact that outside of war-torn countries the US is the one that has the most shootings by a wide margin, let me point out that my argument is that known dangerous people should have more difficulty obtaining guns.
Or do you think people that have been imprisoned for violent crimes should have easy access to guns?
5481578
You constantly insult others yourself and then cry foul when it happens to you. Saying the big bad nra is the problem. And not your warped worldview that everything would be better if we stopped law abiding citizens from having guns. Ignoring the reality that the genie is out of the bottle, you cant remove guns from the world. Any government that disarms it populus always goes south. Venezuela, Soviet union, the uk, germany, ect.
You are blindly ignoring history while pretending that crime is at an all time high.
You are a faux-intelectual. And faux of shit.
5481568
Those aren't common sense guns laws, read the damn things. It's all bullshit fear mongering and it's written by people who have no idea what they are talking about.
We have thousands of gun laws already, every single one is an infringement on our rights. When will people stop taking.
Let's not have a PUBLICALY AVAILABLE LIST of who owns what guns and where they are stored.
Let's not ban something because it "looks scary".
Let's not have a national gun registry.
Let's not have an ammo tax that will be up to 2k a year.
That's what's in HR 127.
READ THE DAMN BILLS PEOPLE.
5481582
Australia still has what americans would call mass shootings. As in more than 4 people present and someone got shot. Which is what american media does.
Also australia has no where near the landmass or population density. False equvilance much?
5481521
>push your local and state governments to make the police go back to crime prevention instead just arresting criminals and failing that
>slash their funding and send to to other other agencies
Pick one.
5481586
I doubt wanderer or anyone else promoting the bill has actually read it.
5481553
Except those aren't what's in those bills.
We already have background checks.
Felons cannot buy guns.
Waiting periods get people killed when they need protection the most. It's happened so many times.
A national registry has always lead to confiscation. Every single dictator did it.
Your argument are the feeling arguments. I FEEL this would help.
Should we put restrictions on speech and protest next? Be like europe, where you can go to jail for a meme?
If my rights get violated why can't yours? The second ammendment protects all the others. That's why it's so important.
It's the only one the founders went into such detail with. They explicitly told everyone several times citizens should have access to the damn things the government did. "But that was then!" So what.
Privately owned ships and cannons were the norm.
The point is that the government should be wary of its people.
5481584 Oh, yes, I insult others constantly and cry foul. Of course I do. Why, I remember the last time I went out of my way to call someone an idiot or a moron instead of their argument. So you're saying that it's an eye for an eye? Okay, whatever. I'm not offended by your insult or crying foul, by the way. (I'd ask you to quote me on crying foul instead of sarcastically pointing out a trend, but that's obviously beyond your abilities.)
And that's rich coming from anyone that deigns to grace this comment section, but let's see your post. Also I don't think you know how to use "obfuscate" properly, you keep repeating it after I brought it up. That's a common trend with you: you like a word and you try to use it in a counter-argument except that by the time you're done with it it's own meaning is obfuscated.
Let me quote me for you:
"It's not even just partisan alone... most people in the US want reforms that ensure dangerous people don't get access to the guns, but there's always an excuse brought up."
(edit: and adding this more significant quote from my original post for your benefit. Don't worry, I quoted myself so you didn't have to.)
"Every time there's any significant bill brought up to change availability of guns for criminals, previous offenders or people with a history of mental illness the NRA shoots it down (pun intended)."
The UK went south?
So... I'm fake shit? Ok?
Anyway, using faux doesn't make you sound smarter so stop trying. I'm not ignoring history, nor did I ever say or pretend that crime was at an all time high (I'd ask you to tell me where I said it but...). You can't deny that the US has had the most school shootings in the last 20 years than any other country on Earth. That's not fake news, it's a fact.
5481584
The kicker is that the NRA is more useful as a distraction for anti-gun advocates than it is a a political advocacy group.
The US should take away guns. The US should be more like Germany when it comes to who can own a gun
Breathes
Fake Coughs
5481601
They just switched to knives, acid, trucks, ect. In the UK. Or mass rape, if your "asian". London beat out Chicago, Detroit, and Baltimore in murders recently. So yes, it went to shit.
It's why they are trying to now ban potato peepers.
Because bans solve the issue.
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5481591
I know they haven't, they don't read any bill. They just support whatever their chosen tribe pushes.
5481611 I mean, it's true.
5481605
1930s Germany? When the nazis disarmed the populace before starting the holocaust? Fucking genius right here mates. Every horrible dictator in history disarms its people before the atrocities start. You really want the US with that possibility?
5481613 You're cute. You're like... trying, so hard to be edgy. "Of course they don't read any bills! They couldn't possibly disagree (with me) if they did!"
Keep trying bro, you'll get there one day.