Having been blindsided by Rarity's possible survival, Rainbow and Twilight wonder how to best track their former friend down, while Applejack tries her best to help Fluttershy through a chapter of her life she thought she had closed.
You know out of the ponies she's met I'd say that Rarity's Dad, Magnum, is the worst one to respond to her return. AJ I can understand as well as Discord and Fluttershy but Magnum? Her own dad who knew about her amnesia? He had no right to discard his own daughter the way he did. That was uncalled for and unnecessary and he should be ashamed to call himself a father. A father loves his children no matter what they do to others. They may feel disappointed but that shouldn't stop him from loving the child. So yeah this version of him disgusts me greatly.
I can see your point, but in his defense. Sweetie Belle lived mostly with Rarity (throughout every episode that I've watched other than one. Sweets lived in the same house while they were away on one vacation / what not or another). She was two floors away from the atrocities of that basement, along with everything that Rares did the Flutters. We never know if she over heard anything, or not but still RapistRarity was not that far from her own sister while these things happened.
So in his defense, she had her sister near events that she could have, but luckily didn't (hopefully), walk in on. So he's probably feeling over protective of her since it was his and his wife's fault for letting her near her sister so often. That and Rarity's actions probably had a huge negative effect on the whole families name. That he just can't look at her without seeing all the harm she's done to his families life and the lives of other innocents. So now he's protecting them from her.
4628258 So that excuses him discarding one of his own daughters? That excuses him leaving her out alone and without anypony to care for her? Knowing that she could've been dead but hey as long as Sweetie doesn't know about her it's just fine and dandy! No I don't care what excuse he has. That stallion shouldn't call himself a father. Forgive me for being harsh on a character that shouldn't be disliked but this chapter just further cements my headcannon that Magnum Belle is a self-serving jack ass. It's been my head cannon for a long time.
I am surprised no one called Discord on the fact that he of all people presumed he had the right to judge someone for crimes they committed in the past, but other then that everyone's reactions have been pretty much what I had been expecting.
story is good though it makes me wonder if she hasn't already been punished? its not like she was trapped in a peaceful sleep for a year, she had her own subconcious hurting her, keeping her in a metaphysical, metaphorical prison in her own mind, completely isolated. you would think that the dream wlkaer would be able to recognize it.
.....if you do not mind me saying this, i can think of a fairly large flaw in your writing. basically you do not write reactions when you characters speak. thus we do not know if, when discord is surprised that fluttersyh does not want rarity hurt, we do not know what expression or tone. just that he responds.
4628276 He had to live though the aftermath of Rarity's choses. probably lost his job, his respect, and everything else. all because his daughter raped and tortured her friends. a chose she made.
It's a nice world view to say a parent will always love their kid but it's not true.
I doubt the parents of Hitler would be still love him, or any of the other seral killers that we have had over the years
he had another daughter to raise, one he had to explain everything too. "Sorry sweetie belle but we can't go back to that place, you see Rarity used to shop there and she is a psychopath who torturous ponies for kicks."
Seems to me like he made the best call, write her off and move on
4628318 Okay so then that means if a child robs a store and kills a person, even by accident, then that child should be discarded from his/her family by their parents and the siblings only info is that they did something bad? If that's not what you're getting at I'm sorry but that's what I'm getting. Yes she did horrible things but that doesn't excuse it at all.
level five... you accidentally hit someone with a car
level ten you accidentally kill someone
LEVEl TWENTY you rape and torture your friends with your sister 40 feet away in a premeditated act
it's not a black and white situation, but her crime was far beyond anything ACCIDENTAL she cannot even blame it on something else, it was a chose she made, something she chose to do. something that EFFECTS every pony.
Yes. Mostly it's not that hard to understand really if you get the context. Not only that but it's something that actually happens a lot on Earth as well. And I do mean a lot. Not as much as early american times, in the US, but around the world it does happen.
Then of course your world view doesn't take into account those people who renunciated their kin.
It's nice to say parents will always love their children, but that is not really the case. And 4628318's points were relevant. He's trying to make the best of a situation that ruined his families lives and that they will never live down. And made a call that alot of people in history made in a similar situation (at least in terms of damage to lives done.)
She hasn't. I think she's a little numb since Dash left, and has gone into detached observation mode. Although it could be that she was secretly enjoying watching Rares suffer as well as the train wreck that was unfolding before her, but didn't want to act on that bit of Schadenfreude.
Disowning happens. Really, given the brutality of what Rarity did, and given her first fame as an Element-bearer, then notoriety for her crimes, I'm surprised they haven't been accosted on the streets repeatedly. Unless Twilight learned to cast a 'Don't Notice Me' spell while she was spending her own year of disgrace drunk.
Especially when you just learn that she mind raped everyone into following along with the things that ruined yours, your families, and everyone who was close to you life and their lives. Or at least gave a huge negative reputation towards.
4628276 Family breaks. At some point, the ties that bind untie. Family is more than genetics. Theres an entire psychological/spiritual thing going on there. And it can be broken. It breaks all the time. Sometimes it breaks beyond fixing.
Rarity crossed a line, turned around, set it on fire, pissed on the ashes, then went trotting merrily on into the abyss. My biological mother and I have lost any familial connection over less. I'm honestly looking forward to her death(God I hope it's cancer that takes her after what she did to her own mother), so I can piss on her grave. And I mean all of that very literally.
Back to Rarity.. Given what she's done, disowning her is a perfectly understandable reaction. A bump on the head isn't going to wipe away what she did or the fact that she's still that pony. I wouldn't want her near me or my family either. Hell, I'd be terrified to let her near Sweetie Belle and, were I him, I'd ask the Princess for a magical restraining order. Rarity lost any right to claim any pony as family or friend by demonstrating that she's willing and happy to do those things to the ones she cares about. She dug her own grave and she'll just have to sleep in it.
I'll talk flying pigs and chocolate rain over rape and torture.
Discord's situation was rather different. Beyond being friendless for millennia(and only recently beginning to understand the very concept), he is the actual spirit and personification of Chaos. Sun shines, grass grows, water is wet, Discord is chaotic. I'm unsure of how much actual free will he truly has. Furthermore, in canon, he was mostly just a prankster jerk rather than a rapist and torturer. Even his mind mojo was, for most of the Mane 6, was set up as something they had to willingly buy into. And now that he understands the concepts friendship and of hurting others, he's making reparations in helping the land he brought an excess of chaos to (Yes, even the Tirek thing. He practically orchestrated the opening of the box).
Rarity had more personal context for grasping the nature of her actions. She understood them. She knew she was hurting her friends badly. She knew she was mind controlling them. She knew how badly it would damage them. She knew and understood and went through with her acts of her own free will. And she enjoyed it.
Though I'm disappointed he went for the tentacles. There are so many poetically ironic punishments he could have given her.
I wonder if AJ'd have enough rage to hit SSJ 2? As for Dashie ... it's hard to say.
On one hoof: She just went through a mental battle between being a victim and moving forward. As well as forgiving those who wronged her or keeping on to the pain. Not to say it's finished. Not by a long shot. But she was willing to not pull through with her revenge plan when she met "Charity".
But now Charity's back to being Rarity. She'll probably do to Rares what she did to Twilight. But will probably be harsher, and it'd take longer for her to come close to anything not resembling rage. But she might not hurt her, physically ... much.
On the other hoof: She might want to talk to them both to discuss just how screwed Rares is going to be. As well as the terms for her not outright dropping Rarity into Ghastly Gorge at the den (is that the right term?) of Quarry Eels. Or going Cupcakes on her happy 455.
as far as Rarity goes, I want to see her get hers. I am sorry but she has not been punished for this. I want to see that mare six feet under or at least GONE... No rape victim can move on with their rapist living in the same small town. (IT HAS NEVER HAPPENED TO MY KNOWLEDGE) Plus this is really selfish of Rarity to even come back. Her motivation seems more based on making her feel better then helping her friends. the best way she could help them is to simply LEAVE.
on the other, Rainbow will not be able to move on without settling this once and for all, I would like to see her accept Rarity's apology, (assuming it's ligit) and then telling her that she needs to go, never to return. that they are done.
I am still thinking this is MPD on Raritys part. it seems like this is Charty's personality with Raritys memories. which begs the question of what happens when Rarity does return.
Indeed, this Rarity does seem like Luna's hoof crafted 'Charity' persona with Rarity's memories. How long that'll last is up for debate.
And I agree. Dash deserves that last conversation(even if it ends with her beating Rarity to death) and then Rarity needs to go. Get serious psychiatric help, then head out and join a charity organization. Work for a soup kitchen or something.
What can I say? I'm a fan of reparation being part of a criminal's punishment rather than just locking them up or lynching them.
4628649 Think about what life would have been like for every living thing in Equestria if Discord had not been stopped. His actions may have been less straight forward in its method of harming it targets, but how long do you think anyone could have lived in that mad house. We had already seen him take great joy in breaking the main six, and that he had reduced Big Macintosh to a dog like state (likely doing similar damage to many others who were not showcased), his actions did less lasting harm to any one because he was stopped in time, but if he had not been stopped then it is likely the hundreds if not thousands would have sustained mental trauma as great as, or greater than, that which Rainbow and Fluttershy has suffered.
Yes Rarity's actions are far more personal and purposeful, but the shear scale of damage that Discord could have done makes Rarity's transgressions look minor in comparison.
As for the fact that Discord making reparations, Rarity is only even there for the sake of doing just that, rather hard to blame her for not having done so when she is not being given the chance to do so.
This is just my take on the issue, but really I find it find of ironic that Discord felt he had the right to judge her.
4628782 Fair enough, again, just find how he was so fast to jump for vengeance a little ironic when some of the others had reacted to his freedom with a similar, albeit less extreme, attitude (rainbow looked ready to punch him in the face the second she had an excuse to do so.). I don't think he is necessarily in the wrong for wanting his revenge, but a sense of irony can be found in his actions.
4628837 oh, by all means, it's ironic and possibly a little hypocritical
but that doesn't make it wrong. (or something I wouldn't do myself if I had that power)
what we have to remember, is that we can't do what he can. for him it's as easy as snapping a finger to get whatever he wants. He is very much used to instant gratification.
4628855 Oh of course, and it is totaly in character for his to act like that I think, this chapter is great, and the fact that there is this much that can be pulled from such a small part of it is fantastic, a small sliver of the tortured minds of one of the most mentally scared casts of any story ever, a once completely deranged god of chaos, four rapists, and two rape victims.
I agree, now that I know that it's wasn't a big bad in a Rarity suit / the same thing Pinks went through in Cupcake Chronicles. I feel that she needs retribution against her, or at least some form of comeuppance. But Dashie didn't know that everypony was mindraped into helping Rares when she had them live in Ponyville and both repair their friendship / live facing what they did while not hiding from the past.
If she did that thinking they were all willing parties I don't see her booting Rares out. I think she'd want her near by so that not only can she live with the hate of an entire city / world focused on her with nowhere to hide. As well as keeping an eye on her so if she ever does go evil again she'd be able to crush her like an ant (or maybe like an eagle cracking open a turtle).
But in this fic, it has worked out. Rainbow Dash is living with her rapists, and has made some reparations to what they had. But Rares ... idk. But I do agree that I want to see her get hers. Even though I don't want her to die, and neither should you for one reason.
If she's dead, she can't suffer. The longer she lives, the longer her pain can be stretched out.
If she did that thinking they were all willing parties I don't see her booting Rares out.
she did that also knowing that she was going to kill herself without them. Plus they were not the ones who orchestrated it. (kinda a big difference)
also, a big issue is that Rarity did not JUST hurt her, she also hurt Fulltershy. It might be easy to forgive someone if you are the only one they hurt, but to forgive someone who hurt your friend? thats a different ballgame.
As far as cannon goes, the last time we saw something like this was guida, if Rainbow told her to take a hike for being a 'bully' that more then establishes that her loyally is not blind. And a rapist/torturor won't stand a chance.
4628886 Six victims if you count Discords influence, although that was far shorter lived and had less of a lasting effect.
4628885 Also I could very much see Rainbow trying to pull Rarity out of the dark like she has done for the others, Rarity's crimes against her are little worse then those that she had believed the others to have committed when she did that for them. Weather or not that is what will happen remains to be seen, but either way it goes would be believable at this point. And that is wonderful far to few stories can make you both wonder what is going to happen next and make absolutely sure that ANY outcome would be some flavour of bitter-sweet .
Deus ex machina (pronounced [ˈdeus eks ˈmaː.kʰi.na], /ˈdeɪ.əs ɛks ˈmɑːkiːnə/ or /ˈdiːəs ɛks ˈmækɨnə/;[1] from Latin, meaning "god from the machine"; plural: dei ex machina) is a plot device whereby a seemingly unsolvable problem is suddenly and abruptly resolved by the contrived and unexpected intervention of some new event, character, ability or object. Depending on how it is done, it can be intended to move the story forward when the writer has "painted himself into a corner" and sees no other way out, to surprise the audience, to bring the tale to a happy ending, or as a comedic device.
in this context, Rarity regains her memories, comes back, is super sorry, and they all forgive her and live happily ever after.
Not that I think you would have done that, but I couldn't stop my mind from going there after Rarity's return.
Shrugs. Although I don't see Dashie kicking her out (kicking her ass yes). I guess we'll have to see. But yeah, all in all, this fic is shaping up to be a real punt to the feels. And agree with your statement that Miles is an A+ writer. He seriously makes the best broken Dash fics I've ever read.
4628970 I just thought of this, but it would also be interesting to see if Rainbow's connection with her element has been restored by her actions, after the main six had lost their connections near the beginning of Fractured Elements, and the Element of generosity had been responding to Charity so it is possible that Rarity has even reconnected with hers.
How messed up would it be for a group like them to have to put the past they have behind them to team up and save the world.
part of me still thinks this is not dashes call to make, she raped Fluttershy for a LOT longer, and she admits to mind-raping all her friends. plus what sort of life would she have in this town? there cannot be a single pony who doesn't hate her. (and unlike the others, she cannot hide behind simply 'taking part' she was responabable for all of this.)
Lets face facts, knowing what we now know, the other's are not even responsible for their actions. It was all her.
If she really, really wanted to help, she would make a public apology and leave. save her friends the discomfort of being around, save her family the dishonor of seeing her, and let every one she hurt move on with their lives.
anything else, is simply selfish. (I want to feel better, I want my friends back, etc...)
4628364 4628366 4628649 So more or less.... I'm wrong? Okay.... sorry I even started to berate the stallion who disowned his daughter since he apparently did the right thing. I'm wrong as usual.
True, but I honestly don't see her leaving one way or another. I mean the only reason she's in Ponyville is because of a Royal allowance to be there. And trains just like planes aren't something a criminal on par with a terrorist would just be allowed to enter without ponies knowing. And I think that the Princesses would keep her there. If only because it lessens the places she can hide, prevents alternate identities, and ensures that everypony who hates her knows where she lives.
That would be EPIC! Seriously that'd be interesting to see now that the EoH are slowly reconnecting with all of their bearers / drawing them together again.
4629037 I know but it seems this week I just comment on something but then everyone starts putting me in a corner and telling me I'm wrong in some logical and reasonable argument that just makes me feel stupid. It's not your fault or the others. It just seems like that kinda week.
4629047 I know and I'm sorry for striking out at you. I've just had that week were every time I comment it seems like somebody has to berate me with a logical argument. I still stand by my comment but it still kinda hurts a little. Not your fault.
4629057 Hey, make your comment and stand by it, be proud that you do. (Too many would just troll and leave)
However, other people are going to have their comments as well, as such you must be prepared to defend your argument or change it if they present facts that you did not consider.
that's the great things about opinions, they evolve with new evidence and facts
She allowed it grudgingly. She didn't like it, but agreed with the condition that Justice would be metted out even if she was the one to bring it. [Luna to Rares]. But as I said, I don't see her leaving. If only because that's not how this fic is going. But we'll see, and it'll be interesting to see where this goes.
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So technically it was by Royal Allowance. If Luna really didn't want her to go, she has the power to tell Rares to go lick a Manticore or something of that ilk.
AHHHH!! SO much fan boy going off here!
You get the idea. I liked it.
You know out of the ponies she's met I'd say that Rarity's Dad, Magnum, is the worst one to respond to her return. AJ I can understand as well as Discord and Fluttershy but Magnum? Her own dad who knew about her amnesia? He had no right to discard his own daughter the way he did. That was uncalled for and unnecessary and he should be ashamed to call himself a father. A father loves his children no matter what they do to others. They may feel disappointed but that shouldn't stop him from loving the child. So yeah this version of him disgusts me greatly.
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I can see your point, but in his defense. Sweetie Belle lived mostly with Rarity (throughout every episode that I've watched other than one. Sweets lived in the same house while they were away on one vacation / what not or another). She was two floors away from the atrocities of that basement, along with everything that Rares did the Flutters. We never know if she over heard anything, or not but still RapistRarity was not that far from her own sister while these things happened.
So in his defense, she had her sister near events that she could have, but luckily didn't (hopefully), walk in on. So he's probably feeling over protective of her since it was his and his wife's fault for letting her near her sister so often. That and Rarity's actions probably had a huge negative effect on the whole families name. That he just can't look at her without seeing all the harm she's done to his families life and the lives of other innocents. So now he's protecting them from her.
4628215
Hahaha! Same here.
4628258 So that excuses him discarding one of his own daughters? That excuses him leaving her out alone and without anypony to care for her? Knowing that she could've been dead but hey as long as Sweetie doesn't know about her it's just fine and dandy! No I don't care what excuse he has. That stallion shouldn't call himself a father. Forgive me for being harsh on a character that shouldn't be disliked but this chapter just further cements my headcannon that Magnum Belle is a self-serving jack ass. It's been my head cannon for a long time.
Love it, although it really seems like Twilight has already forgiven her? Is she just putting off her own emotions? or is she honestly over it?
magnums reaction is VERY realistic. there are things you can do that will disgust even your own parents to no end.
I am surprised no one called Discord on the fact that he of all people presumed he had the right to judge someone for crimes they committed in the past, but other then that everyone's reactions have been pretty much what I had been expecting.
story is good though it makes me wonder if she hasn't already been punished? its not like she was trapped in a peaceful sleep for a year, she had her own subconcious hurting her, keeping her in a metaphysical, metaphorical prison in her own mind, completely isolated. you would think that the dream wlkaer would be able to recognize it.
.....if you do not mind me saying this, i can think of a fairly large flaw in your writing. basically you do not write reactions when you characters speak. thus we do not know if, when discord is surprised that fluttersyh does not want rarity hurt, we do not know what expression or tone. just that he responds.
4628276 He had to live though the aftermath of Rarity's choses. probably lost his job, his respect, and everything else. all because his daughter raped and tortured her friends. a chose she made.
It's a nice world view to say a parent will always love their kid but it's not true.
I doubt the parents of Hitler would be still love him, or any of the other seral killers that we have had over the years
he had another daughter to raise, one he had to explain everything too. "Sorry sweetie belle but we can't go back to that place, you see Rarity used to shop there and she is a psychopath who torturous ponies for kicks."
Seems to me like he made the best call, write her off and move on
4628318 Okay so then that means if a child robs a store and kills a person, even by accident, then that child should be discarded from his/her family by their parents and the siblings only info is that they did something bad? If that's not what you're getting at I'm sorry but that's what I'm getting. Yes she did horrible things but that doesn't excuse it at all.
4628352 you understand there are levels right?
level one... you punch someone
level five... you accidentally hit someone with a car
level ten you accidentally kill someone
LEVEl TWENTY you rape and torture your friends with your sister 40 feet away in a premeditated act
it's not a black and white situation, but her crime was far beyond anything ACCIDENTAL
she cannot even blame it on something else, it was a chose she made, something she chose to do. something that EFFECTS every pony.
4628276
Yes. Mostly it's not that hard to understand really if you get the context. Not only that but it's something that actually happens a lot on Earth as well. And I do mean a lot. Not as much as early american times, in the US, but around the world it does happen.
Then of course your world view doesn't take into account those people who renunciated their kin.
It's nice to say parents will always love their children, but that is not really the case. And
4628318's points were relevant. He's trying to make the best of a situation that ruined his families lives and that they will never live down. And made a call that alot of people in history made in a similar situation (at least in terms of damage to lives done.)
4628366 wow, if we are agreeing on something lol
have to ask, is it just me or does Twilight not seem to have a reaction to all of this?
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She hasn't. I think she's a little numb since Dash left, and has gone into detached observation mode. Although it could be that she was secretly enjoying watching Rares suffer as well as the train wreck that was unfolding before her, but didn't want to act on that bit of Schadenfreude.
Disowning happens. Really, given the brutality of what Rarity did, and given her first fame as an Element-bearer, then notoriety for her crimes, I'm surprised they haven't been accosted on the streets repeatedly. Unless Twilight learned to cast a 'Don't Notice Me' spell while she was spending her own year of disgrace drunk.
4628442 I could see that...
Can't be easy to see the mare responsible for so much (that you almost killed) up and walking around.
4628445 Maybe it was a 'someone else's problem field'
4628468 That seems improbable. Not infinitely, but still.
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just set the improbability drive to the appropriate level for one to appear.
Watch out though, scientists hate a smart ass
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Especially when you just learn that she mind raped everyone into following along with the things that ruined yours, your families, and everyone who was close to you life and their lives. Or at least gave a huge negative reputation towards.
4628562
I wonder how pissed AJ would have been had she known that part.
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either:
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maybe a bit of both.
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Family breaks. At some point, the ties that bind untie. Family is more than genetics. Theres an entire psychological/spiritual thing going on there. And it can be broken. It breaks all the time. Sometimes it breaks beyond fixing.
Rarity crossed a line, turned around, set it on fire, pissed on the ashes, then went trotting merrily on into the abyss. My biological mother and I have lost any familial connection over less. I'm honestly looking forward to her death(God I hope it's cancer that takes her after what she did to her own mother), so I can piss on her grave. And I mean all of that very literally.
Back to Rarity.. Given what she's done, disowning her is a perfectly understandable reaction. A bump on the head isn't going to wipe away what she did or the fact that she's still that pony. I wouldn't want her near me or my family either. Hell, I'd be terrified to let her near Sweetie Belle and, were I him, I'd ask the Princess for a magical restraining order. Rarity lost any right to claim any pony as family or friend by demonstrating that she's willing and happy to do those things to the ones she cares about. She dug her own grave and she'll just have to sleep in it.
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I'll talk flying pigs and chocolate rain over rape and torture.
Discord's situation was rather different. Beyond being friendless for millennia(and only recently beginning to understand the very concept), he is the actual spirit and personification of Chaos. Sun shines, grass grows, water is wet, Discord is chaotic. I'm unsure of how much actual free will he truly has.
Furthermore, in canon, he was mostly just a prankster jerk rather than a rapist and torturer. Even his mind mojo was, for most of the Mane 6, was set up as something they had to willingly buy into. And now that he understands the concepts friendship and of hurting others, he's making reparations in helping the land he brought an excess of chaos to (Yes, even the Tirek thing. He practically orchestrated the opening of the box).
Rarity had more personal context for grasping the nature of her actions. She understood them. She knew she was hurting her friends badly. She knew she was mind controlling them. She knew how badly it would damage them. She knew and understood and went through with her acts of her own free will. And she enjoyed it.
Though I'm disappointed he went for the tentacles. There are so many poetically ironic punishments he could have given her.
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SSJ AJ! Love it!
What do you think will happen with RD and Rarity?
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I wonder if AJ'd have enough rage to hit SSJ 2? As for Dashie ... it's hard to say.
On one hoof: She just went through a mental battle between being a victim and moving forward. As well as forgiving those who wronged her or keeping on to the pain. Not to say it's finished. Not by a long shot. But she was willing to not pull through with her revenge plan when she met "Charity".
But now Charity's back to being Rarity. She'll probably do to Rares what she did to Twilight. But will probably be harsher, and it'd take longer for her to come close to anything not resembling rage. But she might not hurt her, physically ... much.
On the other hoof: She might want to talk to them both to discuss just how screwed Rares is going to be. As well as the terms for her not outright dropping Rarity into Ghastly Gorge at the den (is that the right term?) of Quarry Eels. Or going Cupcakes on her happy 455.
what about yourself?
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i'm torn...
as far as Rarity goes, I want to see her get hers. I am sorry but she has not been punished for this. I want to see that mare six feet under or at least GONE... No rape victim can move on with their rapist living in the same small town. (IT HAS NEVER HAPPENED TO MY KNOWLEDGE) Plus this is really selfish of Rarity to even come back. Her motivation seems more based on making her feel better then helping her friends. the best way she could help them is to simply LEAVE.
on the other, Rainbow will not be able to move on without settling this once and for all, I would like to see her accept Rarity's apology, (assuming it's ligit) and then telling her that she needs to go, never to return. that they are done.
I am still thinking this is MPD on Raritys part. it seems like this is Charty's personality with Raritys memories. which begs the question of what happens when Rarity does return.
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Indeed, this Rarity does seem like Luna's hoof crafted 'Charity' persona with Rarity's memories. How long that'll last is up for debate.
And I agree. Dash deserves that last conversation(even if it ends with her beating Rarity to death) and then Rarity needs to go. Get serious psychiatric help, then head out and join a charity organization. Work for a soup kitchen or something.
What can I say? I'm a fan of reparation being part of a criminal's punishment rather than just locking them up or lynching them.
4628649 Think about what life would have been like for every living thing in Equestria if Discord had not been stopped. His actions may have been less straight forward in its method of harming it targets, but how long do you think anyone could have lived in that mad house. We had already seen him take great joy in breaking the main six, and that he had reduced Big Macintosh to a dog like state (likely doing similar damage to many others who were not showcased), his actions did less lasting harm to any one because he was stopped in time, but if he had not been stopped then it is likely the hundreds if not thousands would have sustained mental trauma as great as, or greater than, that which Rainbow and Fluttershy has suffered.
Yes Rarity's actions are far more personal and purposeful, but the shear scale of damage that Discord could have done makes Rarity's transgressions look minor in comparison.
As for the fact that Discord making reparations, Rarity is only even there for the sake of doing just that, rather hard to blame her for not having done so when she is not being given the chance to do so.
This is just my take on the issue, but really I find it find of ironic that Discord felt he had the right to judge her.
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I can totally get behind all of that.
As long as she goes. (And is told in NO uncertain terms never to return.)
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I didn't see this as discord passing judgment, this is a friend seeking revenge for damage done to his friend.
Just because I have a criminal record, doesn't mean I won't gut someone who rapes my wife (as an example.)
it's not because I feel like I can judge them, it's because I want revenge for a wrong done to someone I love.
4628782 Fair enough, again, just find how he was so fast to jump for vengeance a little ironic when some of the others had reacted to his freedom with a similar, albeit less extreme, attitude (rainbow looked ready to punch him in the face the second she had an excuse to do so.). I don't think he is necessarily in the wrong for wanting his revenge, but a sense of irony can be found in his actions.
4628837 oh, by all means, it's ironic and possibly a little hypocritical
but that doesn't make it wrong. (or something I wouldn't do myself if I had that power)
what we have to remember, is that we can't do what he can. for him it's as easy as snapping a finger to get whatever he wants. He is very much used to instant gratification.
4628855 Oh of course, and it is totaly in character for his to act like that I think, this chapter is great, and the fact that there is this much that can be pulled from such a small part of it is fantastic, a small sliver of the tortured minds of one of the most mentally scared casts of any story ever, a once completely deranged god of chaos, four rapists, and two rape victims.
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I agree, now that I know that it's wasn't a big bad in a Rarity suit / the same thing Pinks went through in Cupcake Chronicles. I feel that she needs retribution against her, or at least some form of comeuppance. But Dashie didn't know that everypony was mindraped into helping Rares when she had them live in Ponyville and both repair their friendship / live facing what they did while not hiding from the past.
If she did that thinking they were all willing parties I don't see her booting Rares out. I think she'd want her near by so that not only can she live with the hate of an entire city / world focused on her with nowhere to hide. As well as keeping an eye on her so if she ever does go evil again she'd be able to crush her like an ant (or maybe like an eagle cracking open a turtle).
But in this fic, it has worked out. Rainbow Dash is living with her rapists, and has made some reparations to what they had. But Rares ... idk. But I do agree that I want to see her get hers. Even though I don't want her to die, and neither should you for one reason.
If she's dead, she can't suffer. The longer she lives, the longer her pain can be stretched out.
4628872 well, if you count mind-rape we have 5 rape victims, lol
I was worried we were gong to get a dues-ex-machana ending for a while, but that ship seems to have sailed.
I am LOVING this story far, far too much lol
Miles is an A+ writer.
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she did that also knowing that she was going to kill herself without them. Plus they were not the ones who orchestrated it. (kinda a big difference)
also, a big issue is that Rarity did not JUST hurt her, she also hurt Fulltershy. It might be easy to forgive someone if you are the only one they hurt, but to forgive someone who hurt your friend? thats a different ballgame.
As far as cannon goes, the last time we saw something like this was guida, if Rainbow told her to take a hike for being a 'bully' that more then establishes that her loyally is not blind. And a rapist/torturor won't stand a chance.
4628886 A what ending?
4628886 Six victims if you count Discords influence, although that was far shorter lived and had less of a lasting effect.
4628885 Also I could very much see Rainbow trying to pull Rarity out of the dark like she has done for the others, Rarity's crimes against her are little worse then those that she had believed the others to have committed when she did that for them. Weather or not that is what will happen remains to be seen, but either way it goes would be believable at this point. And that is wonderful far to few stories can make you both wonder what is going to happen next and make absolutely sure that ANY outcome would be some flavour of bitter-sweet .
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Deus ex machina (pronounced [ˈdeus eks ˈmaː.kʰi.na], /ˈdeɪ.əs ɛks ˈmɑːkiːnə/ or /ˈdiːəs ɛks ˈmækɨnə/;[1] from Latin, meaning "god from the machine"; plural: dei ex machina) is a plot device whereby a seemingly unsolvable problem is suddenly and abruptly resolved by the contrived and unexpected intervention of some new event, character, ability or object. Depending on how it is done, it can be intended to move the story forward when the writer has "painted himself into a corner" and sees no other way out, to surprise the audience, to bring the tale to a happy ending, or as a comedic device.
in this context, Rarity regains her memories, comes back, is super sorry, and they all forgive her and live happily ever after.
Not that I think you would have done that, but I couldn't stop my mind from going there after Rarity's return.
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Shrugs. Although I don't see Dashie kicking her out (kicking her ass yes). I guess we'll have to see. But yeah, all in all, this fic is shaping up to be a real punt to the feels. And agree with your statement that Miles is an A+ writer. He seriously makes the best broken Dash fics I've ever read.
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I agree with any ending would be bitter-sweet, and believable at this point.
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Maybe (s)he meant a:
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ending. . Seriously though amazing fic. Love it.
4628970 I just thought of this, but it would also be interesting to see if Rainbow's connection with her element has been restored by her actions, after the main six had lost their connections near the beginning of Fractured Elements, and the Element of generosity had been responding to Charity so it is possible that Rarity has even reconnected with hers.
How messed up would it be for a group like them to have to put the past they have behind them to team up and save the world.
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part of me still thinks this is not dashes call to make, she raped Fluttershy for a LOT longer, and she admits to mind-raping all her friends. plus what sort of life would she have in this town? there cannot be a single pony who doesn't hate her. (and unlike the others, she cannot hide behind simply 'taking part' she was responabable for all of this.)
Lets face facts, knowing what we now know, the other's are not even responsible for their actions. It was all her.
If she really, really wanted to help, she would make a public apology and leave. save her friends the discomfort of being around, save her family the dishonor of seeing her, and let every one she hurt move on with their lives.
anything else, is simply selfish. (I want to feel better, I want my friends back, etc...)
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4628649 So more or less.... I'm wrong? Okay.... sorry I even started to berate the stallion who disowned his daughter since he apparently did the right thing. I'm wrong as usual.
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Don't be so passive-aggressively defensive. It's just a debate.
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True, but I honestly don't see her leaving one way or another. I mean the only reason she's in Ponyville is because of a Royal allowance to be there. And trains just like planes aren't something a criminal on par with a terrorist would just be allowed to enter without ponies knowing. And I think that the Princesses would keep her there. If only because it lessens the places she can hide, prevents alternate identities, and ensures that everypony who hates her knows where she lives.
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That would be EPIC! Seriously that'd be interesting to see now that the EoH are slowly reconnecting with all of their bearers / drawing them together again.
4629037 I know but it seems this week I just comment on something but then everyone starts putting me in a corner and telling me I'm wrong in some logical and reasonable argument that just makes me feel stupid. It's not your fault or the others. It just seems like that kinda week.
4629027 the great thing about opinions is you cannot be wrong.
it's your opinion after all, hell, i envoy such a black and white world view,
i(we) have just seen examples and lived though IRL shit that causes us to think very differently from our experiences.
4629047 I know and I'm sorry for striking out at you. I've just had that week were every time I comment it seems like somebody has to berate me with a logical argument. I still stand by my comment but it still kinda hurts a little. Not your fault.
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did I miss something here? I ackowlage that she is there on Luna's discresson, but Luna did not want her there.
I am sure she could find a MILLION better places for her to be without emotionally scaring the ponies she hurt. even Luna would know better then that.
4629057 Hey, make your comment and stand by it, be proud that you do. (Too many would just troll and leave)
However, other people are going to have their comments as well, as such you must be prepared to defend your argument or change it if they present facts that you did not consider.
that's the great things about opinions, they evolve with new evidence and facts
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She allowed it grudgingly. She didn't like it, but agreed with the condition that Justice would be metted out even if she was the one to bring it. [Luna to Rares]. But as I said, I don't see her leaving. If only because that's not how this fic is going. But we'll see, and it'll be interesting to see where this goes.
edit:
So technically it was by Royal Allowance. If Luna really didn't want her to go, she has the power to tell Rares to go lick a Manticore or something of that ilk.
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Has a Pinkie X Rarity hugs [the cool rares not this one]. And yeah I know how those weeks can feel. Hopefully things get better for you.