A gentle reminder · 11:55pm Oct 13th, 2016
You can like me. You can hate me. You can feel however you want about me, to be honest, that's fine. But you need to remember one thing I say, believe only one thing above all else:
It's never worth suicide.
I don't care what it is. I don't care why it's hurting you. There are times when an illness is so great that life is nothing but genuine suffering that will never end, no matter what doctors do, and in those cases, I can make an argument for killing yourself. But other than that.
Don't. Do not do it.
There are very few people in this world that I hate, sincerely. I can promise, if you're reading this, you're not one of them. Your life matters to me. Your life has value. Don't end it, and don't be afraid to open up and tell people you're in trouble and need help. This is such an important thing for me, and even if you hate me, please at least listen to me this one time.
A person very very dear to me just lost someone to suicide, and I remember all too well what that feels like. This is not my loss, but it just reminds me of things. I've lost people, this year alone, to suicide, so please don't be another one of those. There's help. Don't give up.
Please.
-Pencil
Agreed.
~Skeeter The Lurker
Couldn't have said it better myself...
Clinical depression is a bitch.
Almost everyone in my family-including me-has had it at some point.
Still all we can offer is reassurance and cake.
Why not?
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If you're serious, and do tell me if you are, I will be happy to answer. Bit if you're just messing around with that question, kindly knock it off.
4254673 I don't have a sense of humor, so I don't joke.
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Oh where to begin... Let's look at this from a few different angles, but if you're interested in getting in a philosophical debate with me as far as if suicide's okay, I don't have any interest in that today. People I love are hurting, and I have zero desire to tolerate anyone who would tell me "but suicide is fine because...etc." Be aware of that. If you come back to me trying to justify suicide, we're not going to have that chat. Period.
So...
1. You will hurt SO many people. One thing many people who commit suicide say is that they think they won't be missed, or that people will be better off without them. This isn't true. Suicides cause so much pain. They can permanently alter people you know, and can become a part of lives that are never forgotten. Losing someone to suicide is a hurt that never fully heals. Is there something I could have done? Why didn't I notice? Why didn't I stop it? Is it my fault? Will I miss it if it happens again? People are going to ask themselves these questions, and they may never get an answer. Don't do this to people, it's not only a dick move, but a potentially permanent hurt to those you claim to love.
2. It can get better. As I said, unless you have a disease that is going to kill you slowly, painfully, and there's no hope of recovery, there's always a chance things can get better. Not for me, you may say. Bullshit. No matter what horrible things happened to you or are happening to you, the only thing that's constant in life is change. There may be new medication developed soon. There may be someone you have yet to meet who will change your life forever. Your life may get worse, true, but there's a chance for it to get better, and if you don't live, you don't give yourself that chance.
3. There's help. There are so many resources for people who are suicidal that I cannot even count them. Even if you're depressed and can't stand medications that could help, there are alternative options and therapies, ranging from support groups to behavior modification. There's lots of stuff to try. Just because one thing didn't work, doesn't mean there aren't more options. Make a call. Make an appointment. You're not helpless. You have options.
4. You can't come back from death. It's the end. That's all. Anything you love, anything that makes you happy, anything you find value in is gone. GONE. Your suffering may be gone too, but you'll never have the chance to see if you can find away to have both life and a lack of suffering. Give yourself the chance.
5. It's lazy. This might be a shocker, but I truly feel this way. If you hate your life SO MUCH, then make a change. Something drastic. Something big. As I said, there are options, there are people to help, and the world is wide and expansive. Try something, anything new. The world is your fucking oyster.
6. If you die, your problems win. Don't let them win. Don't. If you give up, it means everything you've fought against, death, sadness, depression, life, circumstances...it makes your struggle all for nothing. Fighting is hard, but as long as you're fighting, you're winning. So fight.
7. You're not in your right mind. This is where many would disagree with me, but the law agrees in this case. If you are at the point where you want to kill yourself, that's the depression talking. Or drugs. Or psychosis. Or grief. Or any numerous conditions that can cause one to want to end their life. The vast majority of people who survive suicide attempts do not go on to kill themselves. 9 out of 10 if you want the number from one study. This indicates that if you can stick it out, if you can make it, you'll find that you're able to speak for yourself again.
8. Because I said please. Not really a reason, but yeah.
So there's your why not. If you disagree, that's your prerogative. But frankly, if you have any impulse to tell me suicide is okay right now, I don't give a damn.
4254719 I thought you would have something new instead of the same platitudes spouted by everyone else. But out of respect for your losses, I won't rebut any of them.
I agree, theres better way to handle it. Sorry for your loss man.
Yowch. Sorry for your loss...
I continue to live, but not because I believe my life has value.
I live, because my fear of death is infinitely greater than any fear of pain that I might suffer in life. Death ends the entire individual, and there's no certainty in death. But life... life has certainty.
You can pick up a rock, see it with your eyes, feel it with your hands, hear the 'thud' it makes when dropped, and affirm that it's physically real. And you can take that rock, show it to other people, and they too can affirm that, yes, the rock you're holding exists, and that they can also see, feel, and hear it, just as you do.
Death lacks these things. Thus, my overwhelming fear of death drives me towards the familiarity of life. Even aches and pains are just more sensations that tell me that I still live.
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First off, i want to state that it seems like you can be silly, fun, and crazy one moment, then immediately become completely serious the next.
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Second, not only is suicide lazy, its also cowardly, and selfish.
I personally feel like anyone who has committed suicide is a loser. (They lost at life)
You shouldn't live life for yourself, you should live it for other people.
You should spend your life making other lives better.
By killing yourself you have chosen to make everyone else's lives worse, even if it is indirectly.
You can (somewhat) control the future to make it better or worse.
By taking your own life, it becomes impossible to improve the future through your actions, automatically making it worse.
But, regardless if you're high on life or down in the dumps, you should always help others through whatever means you can. Whether that's taking to others, recording and posting videos, or even writing stories like Anonpencil is entirely up to you, just make sure to try to enjoy what you are doing.
4255173 yep can confirm i can go from 0-100 nigga real quick and 100 back to 0 just as quick
4255173 Some people dont have the mental fortitude to sacrifice their well being for others. I have friends who find it hard to even make themselves feel happy about them. It has nothing to do with what they want, in this case to make others happy, but what they need, and they need to feel good about themselves. If its out of depression, well, that depression never truly goes away, they just come to terms with it better. There are a whole ton of reasons to want to die, but to call those who do losers only worsens the problem, and creates a negativity. Perhaps suicide may seem selfish to you, to the one commiting the act its not. In their eyes theyre doing the world a favor, or the good that comes out of it out weighs the bad. Its a more sensity problem then your words imply. Its not simple. There are too many variables. No situation is the same. I have no conclusion to come to. No real opinion of my own. I just wanted to add something to think about.
Simplest take on suicide I've heard was from my army suicide awareness class.
"Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem."
I've yet to find a simpler way to sum it up.
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Normally I would let my passive behavior dissociate with a comment like that, but I won't stand for it. This isn't something to be joking about or taken lightly. In context, "Why not" is extremely difficult to discern whether you're being serious or not. By the looks of it, you were being serious and weren't satisfied with Pencil's response. Can you expect anything different to be said? She is right in every aspect and regard; the reason you didn't hear anything divergent is because her commentaries are all incontestable facts of life: Suicide is not the way to go. Trust me, it's not. There's no other way to put it other than the way she did.
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I can vouch for this. Things do get better. I seem to open up to personal matters when a story/blog post moves me. I can be a closed book (even to my closest friends); I blame my passive characteristics. Point is, at the start of this year I was actually contemplating on...letting myself go. My life wasn't the best at the time. I was struggling to push through countless hardships that were being thrown at me, and it eventually got too much to handle.
Eventually, I met a user on this site. Not going to say a name for the sake of anonymity. We talked. A lot. Things started getting better for me; I had a drive, a reason, to get out of bed and tackle the day. Then more shit hit the fan later in the year, and I was, again, contemplating it. I didn't say anything about it to anyone because I didn't have the courage to do so. But I never went through with it. How could I? At that point, I had too much to live for. It's amazing, almost terrifying, how much one person can change your life forever.
Writing and reading stories helped too.
Now, well, I don't have a single thought about letting myself go. Not anymore at least. Having dark thoughts about suicide is scary and it can really mess with you.
~Lunatone
4255409 I don't quite understand why everyone is downvoting my comments and throwing a shitfit.
I know life is a pain.
Be happy.
There's nothing much else.
Give yourself love.
Just spent damn near two weeks in a mental hospital for a suicide attempt. Can confirm, suicidal tendencies suck.
I'm sorry for your loss(es), pencil. I can't personally confirm that life gets better (it hasn't, for me, just yet), but I'm trying to have faith that it will. I'm trying to keep going. I guess that's all I can do, for now.
4255223 everyone views their own actions as good.
Good for them, good for others, good for the world, etc.
Only the insane view their actions as bad.
I understand that my views of suicide are quite harsh, but I feel like -most of the time- that is the only way to get through the to them.
I view life as a story or a game where you are the protagonist, and your goal to "win" isn't very clear.
And by killing off the protagonist you "lose" the game. After all, wouldn't it suits to be halfway through a story, just for the main character to suddenly die? All of his goals and dreams shall never be achieved, all of his efforts for nothing.
Suicide is the worst decision anyone -except for a few rare cases, (see Anonpencil's comment, he has a close view to mine in that regard)- could ever make.
I feel that suicidal people are going down a slope, where the bottom is suicide. You can just slowly raise the hill higher and higher, until they aren't going down anymore. But you run the risk of running out of time.
What I am doing is building a wall. The wall stops them quickly, but I run the risk of them ignoring the wall, or going down faster because of it.
But like you said we each have our own opinions on the matter and neither is more important than the other.
And I apologize to anyone who was offended by my comments.
4255184 I was talking more about Anonpencil than you... but I don't know you all that well so, you could be the same way.
4256461 I never gave disagreement. I share your views on life, and how its a story, or game. I dont call peopke who commit suicide losers however, for the endgame of life is death. I call them cheaters, cause they beat the game too early. However they get no disresoect from me. Only somber goodbyes.
4256464 Then why link me in the comment if you weren't talking about me?
4256507 the second part involved both you and Anonpencil.
4256502 Cheaters is actually a better way to describe them, thanks for that.
Also, the somber goodbye's is a nice -if sad- way to treat them.
4257848 It doesn't.
4257853 The only emotion you show to a dead man is sorrow. You treat them with respect, no matter what they did. Judgement is not our job. If your of faith then it is the one(s) up above who judge. Not us. We are to forgive and forget. Thats what we should do. To disgrace the dead is morally wrong to me. Death is not a happy thing, and should not be taken lightly.
4258535 If you say so.
4259038 I really can't come up with a response that is even half as good as this one.
Your views are astounding (in a good way), to the point where I think that if I give any response I will make me look like a douchebag, but if I don't respond I'm worse. That is a really noble thought process, and I really hope you don't feel suicidal at any point in time. I personally believe that if the world had more people who think like that, then something could be done about suicidal people.
4255513 I wasnt gonna say anything at first, but after reading into the conversation, I changed my mind. Theres a time and a place for shitposting, trust me I know this very well, but here and now isnt one of them. I dont care if you had good intentions or any of that bullshit. This is unnacceptable. You say something that you should know damn well has a lot of connotations, then wonder why people are upset. Figure it out. Dont make the mistake again. Serious subjects require serious discussion. I dont want you to cause more trouble like that, for the sake of others and yours. I dont want you to be that one guy, so dont make yourself. Thank you for reading this.
4259094 You have my sincere thanks, I havent gotten a complement like that in ages. You just keep this wisdom and pay it forward when the time is appropriate. Have a nice day.