Respect Everbody's Reasons · 3:12am Sep 24th, 2016
I personally have nothing against people who are voting for whoever they want to vote for in this election. I know people have their various reasons for voting for Trump, Stein, Clinton, Johnson, or anybody who is going to be on the ballot this year. America is all about the freedom to choose and everybody has a right to pick who they want as the leader of our nation.
The reasons, for everyone's votes, range everywhere. Some believe in what their candidate represents or what they promise to do if they come into office. Others just want to vote for a certain candidate because they lean either Liberal, Conservative, Moderate or some other political affiliation. Some are voting out of angry protest and some are simply voting to prevent somebody else who they feel would be worse off in office, even if they hate the person they are voting for currently. There might be even be other reasons such as gender, race, religion, and more. And while I personally do not like people who refuse to vote for a few reasons, its still their choice and nobody can really force them to vote if they don't want to.
I am fine with whatever reason people are voting and I'm sure most people respect that mindset.
What I don't personally like is outright assuming, or accusing, somebody for voting a certain candidate in a certain stigma or mindset that they happen to not be. This happens a lot, especially on the internet, and I'm sure we've all been through this at least once. Trump supporters are accused of being racists. Hillary supporters are accused of being traitors. Bernie supporters were accused of being socialists. And anybody voting for Jill and Johnson are accused of being selfish and wasting their vote.
So what happens if that Trump supporter happens to be black? Or that Hillary supporter turns out to be a solider/veteran in the U.S. Army? What if that Bernie supporter happens to be working at Wall St? What if that Johnson or Stein voter happens to fully believe in that candidate and what they represent rather than just be some kind of rebel that is angry that Bernie lost? The truth is, we don’t know the reason for why people vote unless they tell us or we ask.
Everybody is voting for a reason. We may not agree with the reason, but we are all individuals. We are all people of different beliefs, especially in politics. Some want to "Make America Great Again". Others want to be "Stronger Together". There are those who want to "Live Free", as well as those who want "People, Planet, and Peace over Profit". And yes, there are some of those who keep on "Feeling the Bern".
You want to debate with each other? That’s fine. You want to argue? Sure, that’s bound to happen. Shout propaganda? It’s an election, we always those.
Just remember that everyone has a reason for voting. Ask them why, or find out why instead of assuming the worst. They may have good and personal reason for doing so. You may find yourself understanding their point of view, simply agreeing to disagree rather than just rant and curse without hearing the other side first.
The first step in trying to seek a peaceful conversation is to listen to the other side.
I personally don't like any of the candidates, so I'll be writing in Twilight Sparkle. And my reason for my choice: Why not?
So, out of curiousity, who are YOU supporting? After what happened in the conventions, and looking at Johnson and Stein's platforms, I'm stuck without a candidate to root for.
I can agree with that, personally I try to keep a open mind and respect peoples opinions and views.
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I'm voting Donald Trump. I'm mostly a conservative mindset guy whose really only Liberal views are in Gay Rights (Before you also ask, yes I am Catholic but I'm fine with gay marriage) and, to a certain extent, Environment.
I'm a Hillary supporter, but very few people at my school agree. Wherever I go on campus, I'm accused of two things. Being a Brony and being a Hillary supporter. It's nice to know that there are people who, like me, want to talk things out and understand the other side instead of yelling out that I'm a supporter of "The Founder of ISIS"
Thank you for writing this blog.
4223545 I wish writing in even a fictional character could be symbolic, I'll probably put down Optimus Prime simply because let's face it, he'd be better than any of the candidates in this election.
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Out of curiosity, why would you let people find out? In a perfect world you wouldn't have to conceal your hobbies, but is the few friends you make/have in the fandom worth the hassle of putting up with the others' BS? I conceal, or at least don't mention some of my hobbies because people have thought I was gonna be the next school shooter (people were unusually nice to me for a couple weeks after Sandy Hook for example.)
Edit: It doesn't really matter who I vote for because of the electoral college and how heavily my state is controlled by one county. As such, despite my issues with some of his policies and his VP, Johnson it is.
I'm completely with you. Everybody has their reasons for why their voting for their candidate and it's always a good idea to hear them out.
4223575 I don't tell people on purpose. My friends and I sometimes discuss MLP when we have time, but then some eavesdropping idiot heard us. She started spreading rumors, so to get the spotlight off of my friends, I became more vocal about MLP. Honestly, if it were up to me, I'd have kept it a secret. But no one tries to mess with my friends and gets away with it.
I'll admit, I'm one of those folks that really doesn't care. As long as you don't get in my face with your beliefs, your choices are none of my buisness. I don't mind a polite debate, of course, as I agree that hearing both sides of a story is important, but trying to bury me under propaganda is one of the easiest ways to tick me off.
Personally, I think Hillary should win, if only because she seems to have a bit more sense than Trump.
The correct response to anyone asking you who you're voting for is "Not telling."
I've thoroughly enjoyed reading this. I love it when someone sticks it to those idiots who can't get their heads out of their asses long enough to see it from someone elses' point of view.
Personally I'd be voting for Trump. As far as I can tell, the race is really between Trump and Hillary, with Bernie having almost no chance and I've never heard of those other candidates.
I'm not voting for Hillary because I'm not the kind of person who wants a woman in the White House just because she is a woman, and I'd rather not have a Liar for president either. Maybe she has some valid points, and maybe she could actually do something good for this country, I don't really care. She has deleted thousands of emails off of her private server, and we've all seen the memes, "I have information that could lead to Hillary's arrest" where a character like Bambi's mom or Harambe is featured. Fiction is often based on fact, and I'd feel a lot safer with a man who can't speak any way but Brutally honest in the White House.
Trump has some downsides, no doubt about that. A judge died, maybe assassinated, and every candidate bowed their heads in respect. Everyone except Trump. He may be a self-righteous moron, who has run his companies into bankruptcy multiple times, and he may be considered a racist, but I still trust him more. The man speaks with no filter, and I believe that if he was hiding something from us, it wouldn't be long before his lack of filter let it slip. I'd rather have a wall that keeps illegal immagrants out, rather than thousands of deadly, raping ISIS men being let in by a Liar.
I would love to hear what other people have to say about this, and I will do my part to keep an open mind and have ears to hear what you have to say. All I ask is that you do the same, if you are to reply to me.
To be honest, the reason why i would even consider not voting, which i will, is because i am tired of being told that i have to vote for one, or the other doesn't matter. This completely ignores the fact that there are other possibilities out there.
It may not be a perfect reason, but my not voting would be out of the fact that my vote should count for what i believe in and if I'm being told who to vote for to spite other people, then why should i vote at all? The first amendment can be applied to those who choose to not vote, and to not vote to protest those who feel i have to vote certain people seems like a good use of the ammendment to me.
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Just imagine a bunch of pony names on the end result.
Even better, one of them gets the majority.
"The first step in trying to seek a peaceful conversation is to listen to the other side."
I don't know about everyone else but I've heard *plenty* from the other side. I'm not interested in hearing how I shouldn't have the basic human right of bodily autonomy or that I shouldn't be able to get a secular, civil marriage because god hates fags or any other bigoted thing the Right wants to put into law.
"Peaceful, civil conversation" does not protect rights and lives. I will NOT respect people who willingly vote for a person who has *bragged* about all the harm he will cause and all the ways he will piss on the Constitution. Fuck that.
well, that is fairly unlikely as apparently trump has a 94% unfavourable rating with them right now.
Watching this whole election thing form outside of america, is like watching somebody shooting themselves in the foot while they didn't even have a gun on them.
Anyway I kinda hope trump wins because he's the president america needs, but not necessarily the one it wants.
Because he's Fatman!
Na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na Fatman!
None of this matters, cause Hillary's gonna be the prez...
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And if she isn't?
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There are a large amount of blacks and hispanics in favour of Trump right now.
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Then you're contributing to the problem that escalated this entire political season into the shithole it's become.
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While I agree with Rated Ponystar about civil conversation and respect (What can I say, my mother raised me right), I can't argue that Peridance Glow here has a point, so while I will show respect to those who have different opinions to my own I will NOT just stand by and let someone else dictate what I think and feel. I am a middle age Bi-Sexual female veteran of the U.S. Army and I will vote for who I believe is best in my own opinion as is the right of anyone else, just don't think for a moment I won't let you have an earful if you think I'm fundamentally wrong just cause I'm different from the norm. So how about a compromise people we are a country built on communication after all. Say what you want but make it respectful, don't be a troll.
Very well said. I've been ignoring political discussions on the internet because I have seen enough people accusing supporters based on stereotypes. Like you said, these are just assumptions, and some people really don't get that, which makes me a bit infuriated. It's good to keep an open mind to both sides, since people do have their reasons for who they want to lead our country.
4223792 6% of america's black people is a large amount of people, yes.
4223673 Trump's "downsides"* and Hillary's love of lying are why I morally can't give either my vote.
*his rhetoric has made bigots much more bold and willing to physically attack people like myself. I can't see that situation getting any better if he wins. I'm lucky enough to live in a very liberal place, so I most likely won't have to worry about being attacked by anyone other than the odd police officer, but I don't like the idea of my brothers and sisters across the country having to go through a second Civil Rights Movement.
4223791 Then we're losing country allies...
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Closer to 8%, even 14% on some days.
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Losing some and gaining others, you mean?
I hear America will greatly benefit fron getting Russia with them.
4225299 Not "losing"... more like losing and somewhat gaining even more hate.
4225299 sure, that's what's happening.
There definitely is a winner this election cycle, it's you.
What don't you like about Jill Stein's platform?
You are neither of those things???
Wait for it...
*Facepalm*
"I can't stand bigots, so I'm voting for the guy that wanted to profile and even ban Muslims, potentially even native citizens on leave outside the country, from entering the US for an indefinite amount of time and is conspicuously praised by the likes of David Duke, Vladimir Putin and Kim Jung Un - THAT'S MY GUY!"
People appealing to HRC's gender as a reason to be excited for her potentially becoming president is indeed utterly ridiculous but was that last part a joke? One: Every president lies. Two: Donald Trump lies more frequently (and a lot less artfully) than most politicians who've been in this game most of their lives. You cannot condemn a candidate for lying through their teeth but hold another candidate to a different standard for doing the same thing and still claim consistency.
This speaks volumes.
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Brutally "honest" < Brutally accurate
As far as I'm concerned, his facade of "brutally honest" is not a virtue but rather the side-effect of being too stupid to know how to lie effectively.
"He may be unintelligent, have a history of bankrupting his own multimillion dollar businesses and conspicuously gained the admiration and support of many emboldened racists but I still want to put him in a position where he will often be called upon to make important decisions on foreign policy, sign or veto legislation that could effect the world economy and just in general run a multicultural country filled with many groups of people - at least one group of which, he once stated he'd wanted to profile and even ban from reentering the country. What's the worst that could happen?"
You mean like his tax returns which he'd said he couldn't release because he's "still being audited" even though the IRS has said that he can still release them regardless? (Link)
First, you don't even know how he's going to pay for the wall (and neither does he). Second, you do realize people living in a country are statistically more likely to be raped by individuals they already know than they are by members of a random group like Muslim immigrants, right?
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Does all this mean I advocate voting for HRC? Hell no! After the shit she pulled during the primaries (take your pick of which incident) I'd sooner eat the corn content out of shit than vote for someone like her. But you cannot rationally justify condemning her worst traits yet vote for a guy who represents something much worse.
This guy:
- Dodged the draft under questionable circumstances. Link
- Openly mocked a former-POW. Link
- Scammed people out of tens of thousands of dollars with Trump University. Link
- Encouraged people attending his rallies to physically assault protesters in the audience (and much footage exists of the attendees doing just that). Link
- Doesn't take climate change seriously and wants to undo what little progress has already been made. Link
To name a few.
Look, I know you distrust HRC and don't want to vote for her. Hell, I don't trust her and I'm not going to vote for her! But to actively vote for someone like Donald Trump - to knowingly put your support behind someone who is literally giving you every indication that he is a disaster waiting to happen, is akin to walking into hell with eyes wide open. I would speculate that the only reason he doesn't have a rap sheet worse than HRC right now is because he was never in a position of political power to gain it! I'm not sure how long our luck will last on that one.
smdh
Have we learned nothing from the disastrous Bush administration?
4227549 I'll give you that. Your point certainly make sense, and I'm glad to have someone to talk to about this. The way I see it, the vote is going to come down to Hillary or Trump, no matter who else you vote for. They are both Liars, and both have done numerous things wrong. Both would be terrible choices for president. I respect you opinion and I would honestly rather vote for a pile of shit than either of them. But voting for anyone else is useless. I just don't want a cripple in the White House. Hillary is clearly in a bad way. She needs help to climb stairs, for Celestias' sake! She collapsed at the 9/11 memorial! She is clearly not fit to serve the country. Trump isn't much better, but Hillary has mental problems that would leave her as a figurehead in the White House that other people would be able to speak through, and running our country even deeper into the ground. Trump would probably bankrupt us, and Hillary would be a cripple in charge. There is no right answer for this circumstance. The only hope is to vote for the lesser of two evils. One is going to win, no doubt about that. I would like it to be the one that would do the least damage.
4227549 Stein's platform is too idealistic, even if she could get elected there would be no chance of her getting her policies inacted. Sanders at least would've had the backing of a major party, Stein's lack of political experience means she wouldn't know how to reach across the isle for support, and a lot of her policies would be blocked outright. Johson's platform is also too idealistic, and bears in mind the failures of The Articles of Confederation (leave the government as small as possible and just trust the states to solve things, the federal government has to be strong enough to hold the union together).
4227549 Of course I am. I just don't like it when people jump at the chance to point that out.
4227756 She's 69, and she got sick, big deal. Trump is 70 and has a really sketchy doctor and seems way more likely to have been very hard on his body and be in poor health. We have no proof of anything truly serious for either of them though. Also why do you think Trump is the lesser evil? I mean Hillary is shady but she's also competent and can at least look like a good president even if under the surface all her choices are bad.
4223550 Then why are you voting for Trump? Sure he doesn't seem to believe in birth control, but he's on this third wife, and other than fiscally isn't much of Republican at all. Also do you really trust he actually believes in anything beyond money and his own ego? There is a reason so many Republicans have come out against him.
He's also a moron that is honest in exactly the same way Dash is, if he doesn't think/care if something make him look bad you get the thoughtless truth, but the second he decides something might pop that fragile ego there is a stream of equally thoughtless lies. I get that there are plenty of people that don't want to vote for Hillary no matter what, but what I can't understand is why there isn't some massive move to right in Ronald Regan, or the name of some passibly competent and sane seeming Republican, though after sing the candidates in the primary it seems like there isn't any of those, or maybe just a simple "not Hillary" but to actually vote for that rich clown? It's just confusing as hell. The point is it's really hard to respect someone's reasons when the end of the sentence might as well be "and that's why I'm voting for this raccoon." Even if everything before made perfect sense that last bit sort of ruins the argument. Not that I'm not trying anyway, but it's still hard.
Oh and just to make things clear I think a normal racoon would make make a much better candidate than Trump, and if it wasn't for him I'd be writing in Celestia instead of voting for Hillary but I really don't want that conman to be president and I'm scared to death he might manage it if everyone who can doesn't vote for the shady professional politician.
4232633 I think Hillary being sick is a big deal simply because I don't want someone with brain damage for president. That is not an exaggeration, she literally cannot go up stairs without help because of her Brain damage.
I do not trust Trump any more than I do Hillary, but Hillary is all for letting in a bunch of immigrants, and some of them will most certainly NOT be following the same ethical code we do. There has already been multiple reports of Rape from immigrants, and more will not solve the problem. Trump wants to keep the immigrants out, and I agree with that. We need to solve the problems America has, not invite more.
4232669 First while sadly some foreign rapists makes perfect sense, I've seen nothing that suggests the rate is any different than our home grown rapists. Same with more or less every other crime, though as always the rate for most crimes is higher for the poor. Immigration is a real reason to vote for Trump if he wasn't so untrustworthy. Also a well manned wall might actually be able to keep out immigrants, but getting the money for the well manned part is even worse than the wall itself. Still this is a real clear difference of opinion. I don't see illegal immigrants as a problem to be fixed so much as a side effect of various actual problems, but it's a real issue Trump at least might do something about. I just don't care or think he can succeed.
Second, where is the brain damage thing coming from? She was sick, it was serious and like the politician she far too much is tried to downplay how sick, but by all accounts she's fine. She seemed fine during the debate. Not super, but both candidates are near 70, so perfect health is a bit much to expect. And just to be clear I am genuinely asking because I don't think even Trump went so far as to call it brain damage, and don't have any idea why you think that and want to know where you got that idea.
4232846 Here's a link to the Huffington post, with several articles discussing her Brain Damage.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/hillary-clinton-brain-damage/
As for the immigrants, I'll agree with you on the fact that we already have so much wrong here. All I'm saying is that more only makes the problem worse. We will most likely never have the money to build a wall, but more enforced laws for immigrants will certainly help keep some out.
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Because I am an anti-abortionist, pro death penalty, it's called Climate Change, not Global Warming, that happens every so often in history we just speed the process to a few years, wants to wipe out ISIS, doesn't trust Saudi Arabia, hates the EU, UN is a joke, hates globalism to a certain extent, wants all illegals out, Blue Lives Matter and All Lives Matter, thinks Hillary Clinton is a criminal with blood on her hands, Pro Capitalist, Anti Socialist, respect the flag, respect the military, religious rights, pro gay marriage, anti Military Industrial complex, Anti Universal Healthcare, Anti Obama care, believe in the New World Order Conspiracy, Pro Gun Rights, Anti TPP, Tax cutting, Fuck Political Correctness, Fuck SJW, and believer of the constitution kinda guy.
Trump is the only one I can vote because of what I believe.
4232861 Okay, so now I know why it's a thing, but also that there is no actual evidence anything is wrong. There could be obviously, but currently there is like I said no evidence anything is wrong. It would be like saying because Trump is not exactly slim he clearly has incredibly serious heart problems. It's not no evidence, but it's so slim as to be meaningless.
4232930 And you really think he truly agrees with you and can actually do anything about any of that. In terms or Political correctness and SWJs that's obvious, and in terms of all the pure money stuff sure, but I don't he's ever respected anyone or anything other than himself, and maybe not even that. I also think Trump has way more blood on his hands than Hillary even if it's far less direct. I think he has no clue how to actually do anything about Isis or illegals, he'll try, but like many broken promises in the past he can't follow through. And everything else might be true, but he's a scam artist fond of waling the line between legal and illegal just like Hillary, but he's much less competent. And what I can't understand is why instead of falling in behind Trump the Republican masses aren't supporting literally any other candidate because he is quite possibly the only person bad enough to actually lose to Hillary.
Or to to put it another way I get why you don't want to vote for sociopathic chessmaster Celestia, but voting Flim and Flam into power seems like an even worse move even if they are indeed saying the right things, you can't trust they will do anything you want them to. It just seems like writing in a pony and voting for every other Republican seems like a far more sane thing to do because otherwise you might end up with Trump as the Republican president. Which will be far worse for the party than a Democrat at the helm again. That is a known problem. Trump is a very dangerous unknown.
*Sigh*
Me and my late responses...
It'd taken me so long to get back into this account that these responses were quite old. For a while now, I'd contemplating just dropping this altogether, but I've finally decided that there is so much that needs to be addressed here.
In the interest of fairness, I will only cite info that was readily available to you all at the date your comments were posted, whether or not you still hold these views is disregarded in light of, as was stated, the information I cite having been readily available to you at the time of posting:
By now I hope you're aware that Franklin Delano Roosevelt was stricken with Polio in 1921 which left him unable to walk normally before serving as the nation's 32nd president in 1933 to 1945. True, he died in office (due to something unrelated), but is considered the third most popular president in US history.
By now, you should know that she wasn't - at least, as far as her mental health is concerned. Still, addressing this without invoking current events:
She showed no outward signs of sickness during any of the debates. In fact, Donald Trump was heard sniffling throughout the event! (link - I'm not sure if this applies to my aforementioned "info cut-off" rule as I can't pin-point the anachrony between when you'd posted your comment and when the debate aired)
Let's say for the sake of argument that she is elected and dies within office. In such an event, HRC's corpse would still be preferable to the implied fascism of a Trump presidency.
If I'm to be objective, that would be HRC. She's got terrible policies here and there and would likely help pass the TPP but here are two critical things to keep in mind:
1. Right now, there is currently a vacancy on the supreme court. The next president elected will be the one to appoint a judge and if it is Trump, the odds of that judge being conservative are a lot higher than if HRC were elected, and I'm putting it mildly - he has openly stated that he wants to appoint the next Antonin Scalia (link). And when that happens, it is highly likely that 'Roe v. Wade' will go back to trial, with a higher likelihood of being overturned. (Assuming you care about that.) Not only that, but this justice will also be present during inevitable re-examinations of other civil rights cases like gay rights, then they're screwed too.
2. There is a scientific consensus that we need to take action to curtail climate change within the next 4 years, or it will reach the "runaway" point - a point where we are no longer able to stop or slow its effects, which will trigger mass extinctions within as soon as the next century (link). HRC is nowhere near what I would consider "good" when it comes to environmental issues - she has been a vocal advocate for fracking in parts of the world up until recently (link) but Donald Trump has openly stated that not only does he not take the threat seriously, believing it to be a "Chinese" hoax (link), he will gut the EPA (link). Once that happens, I'm not even going to sugarcoat it - we're going to die.
*Shrug*
So...um....
here, have some vaporwave: (link)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but are you saying you won't vote for her because you agree with her too much?
That is exactly the type of mentality that got us into this awful political situation in the first place. Many people agreed with Bernie Sanders' policies but were duped into shooting themselves in the foot by labeling them "unicorns and rainbows".
So would you rather elect someone with bad policies that do have chances of being passed by a government that does not function primarily for the good of its people? That's the only logical alternative if we're unwilling to elect people who contradict the current gubernatorial climate.
Change seldom occurs when we circularly use the fact that it isn't here yet as a reason not to usher it in.
I'm not saying you should vote for Jill Stein, not much point to that at this time, but do keep that in mind next time we receive an idealistic candidate like Bernie Sanders. (Fingers crossed.)
Of course, apologies if you didn't agree with her platform to begin with.
I can't comment on Gary Johnson as I still don't know much about him other than how he seems a bit unhinged.
Just so we're clear, this is the same major party that spent the entire primaries trying to undermine and discredit him and his supporters, right?
This might sound like hindsight but these were my thoughts even during the initial breaking of the story where she collapsed:
It was just wishful thinking - and I mean that in both senses; even I was kinda hoping she was going to have to drop out (nothing fatal) so she could be replaced with a less-flawed candidate *cough*Bernie*cough* but at the same time I'd had enough self-awareness to know that it was just wishful thinking and not to buy into the over-hyping of the incident (link).
Don't lie, did you actually read any of those articles?
The first one even rebuffs the notion that she has brain damage and essentially undermines the significance of it even if she did - which is my stance as well; if HRC has brain damage (which I doubt but, for the sake of argument, I will grant) she is still preferable to Trump - this coming from someone who prefers NEITHER.
If she's got brain damage she didn't do a very good job of showing it and if I lacked knowledge on either candidate and was told that one of them was suffering from a mental condition, I would guess Trump; ffs, the guy speaks with a vocabulary that was literally found to be at a 4th grade level (link)!
But as I've stated, even if elected and she ends up dying in office, her corpse would still be preferable to a healthy Trump - again, coming from someone who prefers neither.
@rated Ponystar
Not gonna lie, I lost a bit of respect for you when I read your reply. This response has been a long time coming and, in light of recent events, I don't know if you still support(ed) him but, regardless, the fact that this guy didn't send up any red flags with you even up until the point you'd posted your last reply is deeply problematic for reasons I'll explain in depth.
Let's tackle these one at a time:
Hey, but don't you "respect everybody's reasons" for getting abortions?
If the answer is "yes", then you should be appalled by Trump's comments that he wants to jail women who get an abortion or the doctors who performs them. Even if he says (or pretends) that he's changed his position - the fact that he would even make such statements is appalling. (link)
If the answer is "no", it's hypocritical to push the concept of "empathy for others' personal choices" while knowingly putting your support behind someone who will punish women or their doctors simply for exercising a choice over their own bodies.
Though you'd still have the task of determining what his positions on abortion even are. Good luck: (link)
You specify this right after you state you are pro-life?
It would seem so, and all times it has happened have generally been a bad thing to life on earth (link).
Really? Then you should reject Trump, not just for his "strategy" for dealing with ISIS but his foreign policies;
To preface, ISIS is comprised of extremists and the most effective way to fight extremism is ideologically.
Trump has stated that he wants to intentionally target, not just terrorists but their families as well - and by "target" I mean "kill" (link) - which is...ya know, against the Geneva Conventions (link).
Not only that but he would burn bridges with alliances we're supposed to be building in countries overseas that cooperate with us to counteract terrorism by banning broad (often innocent) groups of people around the world from entering the US. (link)
And not only that, but since Trump's rise in popularity we've been seeing an increase in racially-motivated violence across the country (link). He is luring out and empowering the ugly part of America. Every day that he says things like "BAN ALL MUSLIMS" and we don't have the sane/rational/civilized reaction of ostracizing him, the more mainstream bigotry becomes. And the more we empower bigotry, the more recruitment propaganda terrorist groups like ISIS have.
Hope you trust Russia. (link)
Why?
It may have become something of a joke by including countries that carry out obvious forms of human rights violations like Saudi Arabia, but the founding of the UN was an incredible feat that was necessary for preventing war. (At least, when it's working.)
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Regardless, trust me, illegal immigrants should be pretty low on the worries of this country.
smh
Momentarily knowingly violating my rule on only using information you could have known at the time of posting:
I'm reminded of a relatively recent video that had YouTube user JoeySalads doing a "social experiment" where he held up a "Black Lives Matter" sign in a "white" neighborhood vs holding up an "All Lives Matter" sign in a "black" neighborhood. In the video, which may or may not have been staged, he got minimal reaction when holding up the sign for the "white" neighborhood but was met with hostility in the "black" neighborhood.
Though, I recommend watching their whole video, 4:18 of this TYT video summarizes my thoughts on the matter perfectly: (link)
Donald Trump is a criminal:
List of times Trump has broken the law.
I'm not certain if he himself has ever done something that is directly implacable to the death of someone else (not that it wouldn't surprise me) but, as I'd said before, I believe the only reason Trump doesn't have FIVE TIMES as much blood on his hands as HRC does is because he was never in a position of political power. For starters, Trump has expressed that he wants to intentionally target terrorist's families and bring back not just the acts of torture the US had committed before, but even greater (albeit, undefined) forms of it. (link)
Trump may not have a kill count equivalent to or worse than HRC, but he aspires to. (link)
Hey, Trump is pro-capitalism too! Which is why he wants to give tax breaks to the wealthy again, implementing similar "trickle down" economic policies we saw in the Bush years - which promotes income inequality. (link, link)
More info needed.
I'd just like to point out that Trump's entire campaign is built upon trashing America, hence the slogan "Make America Great Again".
If you respect the military then why would you vote for a guy who dodged the draft multiple times under questionable circumstances (link), mocked a POW who got captured while serving in the same war he himself dodged (link) and petitioned to have wounded veteran vendors removed from operating near his towers (link)?
So let's vote for the guy that proposed profiling (link) and even outright banning Muslims (link)!
I'll admit, my instinctual response was to say:
"To be against the Affordable Care Act is one thing, it's not perfect, better than nothing but certainly not perfect - but opposing Universal Healthcare too?
'Pro-life/All Lives Matter' my ass."
But when I realized you may be hinting at some alternative you may find better, I decided to wait for clarification.
Really? Well, Trump has repeatedly come out against gay marriage as far back as the 2000s and it's one of his most consistent stances - which, knowing him, is saying something! (link)
His VP pick is Mike Pence. Sound familiar? That's the Indiana governor who signed into law and defended SB 101 the Religious Freedom Restoration Act - a law that, at its core, allows businesses to discriminate against people based on their sexuality. (link)
Not only that but he's also openly stated how he wants to appoint "the next Antonin Scalia" to the Supreme Court. (link)
"Antonin Scalia", remember him? He was the guy that vehemently fought against not just gay marriage but gay rights, especially in cases like Lawrence v. Texas (his dissent). This would have long-spanning ramifications to social progress for years to come long after Trump's hypothetical term(s) in office. (Assuming he does at some point leave...)
Whether or not the NWO is real is practically irrelevant in light of the current circumstances.
Trust me, the fascism and instability a potential Trump administration poses to the world is a little more immediate. (link)
Based on the language, I can't tell if you're "for" or "against" tax-cutting, so I'll respond to both implications:
Pro tax-cutting: Well then, you're screwed unless you're someone in the top 1% because part of Trump's economic plan is to not only continue but INCREASE corporate tax cuts resembling those from the Bush era (which didn't work - at least, not for us). (link) On top of that, all that money they aren't paying has to come from somewhere. Can you guess who picks up much of the tab?
Us. (I am, of course, assuming you are not in the top 1%.)
But even if he did cut taxes for all, that would significantly cripple, if not, kill the economy.
Anti-tax cutting: Well then you're just screwed because you're voting for a guy that wants to hand out tax cuts to those that need it the least in an economical climate where we really shouldn't be cutting taxes at the moment.
Being that you support(ed) a guy who had once advocated having all members of a religion banned from the country, I'm not particularly surprised. There is a lot not to like about political correctness but I'm finding a conspicuous correlation between a lot of people who hold reprehensible beliefs and the anti-PC crowd (link) - not that you're necessarily someone who holds reprehensible beliefs (but some of these things you list about yourself...).
Regardless, if being against political correctness is an issue for you, you might want to take time to reflect on supporting a guy who would start a twitter war at the drop of a hat (link) and wants to open up libel laws so he can have an easier time suing news organizations (link).
Here is a list the ACLU has compiled of Trump's proposed policies that would violate the constitution:
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Trump is a boldfaced crook whose principles go against almost every reason you claim(ed) to support him.
It makes me sick and lose great faith in humanity to think that a large enough number of people could have looked at this guy and said they supported him enough to give him a clear shot at the white house. I completely understand not liking HRC and not wanting to vote for her. But actively putting your support behind a childish, racist, xenophobic, homophobic, misogynistic habitually lying and cheating narcissist? My goodness, the guy doesn't even give off the appearance of someone who gives a shit about someone other than himself! Everything this guy's said, what he's done, what he pledges to do, what he stands for, and the types of people that support him should have alarm bells blaring in your head.
To give much of his supporters the benefit of the doubt, I again refer back to TYT for one of the better summaries I've heard of his appeal:
(link)
Once more, HRC is not much better but Trump represents the uglier part of America. It's quite incredible that somebody who expresses awareness about how things like fascism and bigotry spread in writings like the Assassinationverse is/was walking straight into one of the most blatant proponents of both. Low-informed/misinformed voters could be the death of our democracy if we're not careful. Whether he wins or loses, I honestly feel sick for this country.
Rated Ponystar, I do not NOR CANNOT respect your reasons.
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Whether you do or do not respect me reasons I'm fine with that. You have your point of view of everything and I have mine.
I wish the people rioting right now could understand this. In Hillary's concession speech, she said:
In reacting violently to losing, these people are being disrespectful to the person they (presumably) voted for, and even worse, they are being disrespectful to democracy itself.
I am proud to say that I stand with Donald John Trump, although I am not a US citizen (I live in Canada).
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