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I like writing about the worst day of a character's life; it lets us see the mettle inside. (Pronouns: RB/20 )

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Mar
25th
2023

Movie reviews and thoughts on writing · 9:45am Mar 25th, 2023

I flew to Los Angeles and back this week*, and watched several movies on the plane.

I'm on record talking shit about people who only watch TV/Anime/movies—never reading—and then inflict prose upon the New Column. However, that's not to say there aren't great writing lessons to be learned from movies, so long as it's part of a balanced, good-prose-heavy diet.

TL;DR: Bullet Train, In Bruges, Ocean's 11 (2001 version), John Wick: watch them.

Long version:

I watched Bullet Train and hot damn, that's now one of my favorite movies. I'm going to have to watch it at least one or twice more to catch all the plot twists and complexities of the double and triple crosses. A++ movie, and an excellent example of writing where nothing is what it seems. Also a great example of using unusual ways to characterize—the character Lemon, for instance, is an assassin who obsesses with "Thomas the Tank Engine", which prima facie makes no sense, but the writers leaned into this so hard it actually works brilliantly. Brad Pitt's master thief character, Ladybug, was also an interesting take on "action hero" in that he (1) refused to use a gun and (2) was a neurotic obsessed with therapy. Again, they made it work by leaning in. Awesome movie, top notch writing. And I think a writing lesson I'm putting in my master gdoc of learnings: "When giving a character a bizarre, unusual, off-trope trait, lean into it HARD, don't be half-assed or trepidatious."

I re-watched In Bruges and was once again astounded by the writing, particularly the dialogue. I'm going to have to find the script or transcript online and copy it down; I've found that, when writing a new FiM character for the first time, I copy down their lines from the Wiki into a gdoc to get a feel for their voice into my fingers. I think running In Bruges's excellent bantering dialogue through my fingers might teach me something... Anyway, In Bruges is a brilliant black comedy, if you like black comedy.

Besides excellent writing, In Bruges also looks brilliant. This movie's Bosch-inspired gothic nightmare imagery has also been encouraging me to drop prompts like a my little pony picnic in the style of Hieronymus Bosch into Stable Diffusion, and the results are... disturbing:

I also re-watched the 2001 version of Ocean's Eleven because I love heist movies, and similarly, the dialogue and banter are top-notch. I might have to type out the transcript to get the feel for the writing into my fingers to improve my own comedy dialogue.

Finally, I also rewatched John Wick 1 on the plane, which is also an all-time favorite. This series (I haven't seen Four yet) are excellent illustrations of "show don't tell." The assassin subculture that John lives in is complex and fleshed-out, but no narrator ever stops and explains it to us. The movie simply shows us John living in the assassin culture and challenges us to figure it out. Good writing!

Anyway, I can't recommend all four of those movies highly enough, if you haven't seen any of them.

* Boy, are my arms tired.

Comments ( 17 )

I'd kill for a MLP Heist Story from you. Heist stories are among my favorites, or just Thief tales in general, and hearing about a fellow appreciater of the craft warms my cold heart.

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You may have read it already, but if not I'd reccomend Rambling Writer's The Amulet Job https://www.fimfiction.net/story/451065/the-amulet-job

I will admit that a few of my 101 Idiotic Plot Concepts were written with you in mind, and the idea of you writing a Heist is brilliant.

Of course, you’d probably do a SockNo heist of Sweetie Belle raiding her sister’s drawer for sex toys…

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It'll certainly be a CMC heist, if I write one, although I would picture some dread artifact from the catacombs below Canterlot Palace. (Possibly Luna's Dildo of Power.)

Taking a film class or two is useful for a new writer, but in parallel with study of actual writing. There are aspects of film-making which are similar to, but not identical to techniques and effects on the page. There was a literary craze in the high modern period for cut-and-paste that is similar to montage, and you could argue that wildly purple or brutally sparse description styles are an expressive continuity similar to that between baroque and expressionist mise-en-scene.

But in general, the difference between writing and film is that the eye is intimately engaged in film - no matter how brutally you strip down the stage, no matter how simply you edit your cuts so that it looks like a single take, it's still a stage, still a 24 fps continuity, however choppy the latter, however undecorated the former. The written story is like Vonnegut's cradle - no cat, no cradle. Just the words, alone. You have to describe the cat, with words alone. You have to build the cradle, with words alone.

Can they smell that someone hasn't been cleaning the litter box, or is it a long-haired, loved, pampered pet? Is it a new piece of furniture, or can they see the wear on the cradle, the claw marks? What is the cradle lined with, has the cat displaced an infant, or are they a replacement on tear-stained, unwashed blankets?

All that constructive tissue aside, most of the material you'll find on character and dialogue will apply, across media. I've found David Mamet's memo from the set of The Unit particularly useful for scene construction, for instance.

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ANY TIME TWO CHARACTERS ARE TALKING ABOUT A THIRD, THE SCENE IS A CROCK OF S***

Holy smokes, that's a good find, thanks for the link!

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Dave also spells out the difference between television and pure prose in much the same way as Socks did, but of course from the other direction:

REMEMBER YOU ARE WRITING FOR A VISUAL MEDIUM. *MOST* TELEVISION WRITING, OURS INCLUDED, SOUNDS LIKE *RADIO*. THE *CAMERA* CAN DO THE EXPLAINING FOR YOU. *LET* IT.

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Aw. I think it'd be fun. I mean any kinda heist with you would be fun as heck. Especially considering you clearly get what makes a Heist tale click.

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Of course, you’d probably do a SockNo heist of Sweetie Belle raiding her sister’s drawer for sex toys…

REVERSE heist. Sweetie tries to put the toy BACK before Rarity notices that it's missing. :twilightsmile:

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ANY TIME TWO CHARACTERS ARE TALKING ABOUT A THIRD, THE SCENE IS A CROCK OF S***

I don't know whether to compare this to "Waiting for Godot," or to the "Bechdel-Wallace Rule."

I think that rule of Memet's can be broken in prose if one does it right, though.

'if one does it right' :trollestia:

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99% of the "Character 1 and Character 2 discuss topic..." stories in the New Column are shite. So it's rare.

Edit:
In fact, if the word "discuss" (or synonym) is in a fic's description, I refuse to click, unless it looks like a parody / aversion.

(Example: "Character 1 and Character 2 discuss how to dispose of the body.")

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"So are you saying if I put my uninteresting thoughts and opinions into the mouth of a popular character like Rarity, that won't make an interesing story? WAAAAAAAHH!" :duck:

Edited to add: "Wait, I ALSO have a book of knock-knock jokes!"

Seems heist movies are all the rage now: I watched The Bank Job yesterday. Also, I once planned an EqG heist story where the girls use their magical powers to rob a bank, but it never went anywhere.

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"Bank" is too obvious.

Possible alternatives:

  • Nuclear weapons storage site (SciTwi wants to win the science fair and needs plutonium)
  • animal feed store (for Fluttershy's animals)
  • veterinary clinic (Sunset has a horse disease)
  • Vice-principal Luna's house (she's ex CIA)
  • Cranky Doodle's house (he's a unabomber)
  • John Wick's house (Fluttershy is worried about his dog)
  • Button Mash's house (his server has pictures that Rarity won't describe, but really, REALLY wants back)

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More possibilities:

  • Crystal Prep (they want a trophy back)
  • Cadance and Shining Armor's house (SciTwi accidentally gave them the WRONG memory card from her camera. her PRIVATE camera)
  • The police department (before they run the fingerprints Dash left at the crime scene)
  • the liquor store
  • the sex toy store

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  • Vice-principal Luna's house (she's ex CIA)
  • Cranky Doodle's house (he's a unabomber)

I get the feeling those two are connected.

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From the Collection:

Today's Idiotic Plot Concept, Free To A Good Home #32

The Vault of Canterlot Palace is arguably the single most secure location in all of Equestria. Guarded ceaselessly day and night, in the depths of the most protected building in the nation, behind illusions and traps, barriers and wards, and the great door itself sealed by a magical lock to which only Celestia herself has the key.

Well, she did before she accidentally locked the key inside.

Now Celestia has to figure out how to get into the Vault and retrieve the key before the rest of Equestria finds out that the Princesses have no way to access their In Case Of Emergency magic arsenal. And it needs to happen with the utmost secrecy.

Start rounding up the motley crew: It’s Heist Time.

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