Well, my worries are all but out the window. That, and this chapter got me going, man do I love ball worship! (actually most kinds of worship really...)

Barring an unknown or a change of mind, the instant this story is finished it is going straight into my Extraordinary folder right alongside the previous story!

Even if this was not how far you were considering to go with the relationship these three have, I think you are just knocking it out of the park!

You prove again and again how great a writer you are to be able to work outside of not only your own considerations, but actually get me (and possibly others) on board with it as well as write it in a way that works so well in general (many I'm sure would not be able to balance wants, necessities, care, and cruelty anywhere near as well).

I also liked the pondering on Shining's cage, as it is because of this story and one other that I like them now (and I just got an idea for a story to write involving one, write that down once I'm done with this comment for later). I hope Sombra teases Shining about what a good little cocksucker he is, and perhaps Cadence gives it a shot too. I think they teased him about it the first time he did it, but still...

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With you there man, I don't get the various readers who have been leaving comments like that. It started from the third one I think...

Anyway, just wanted to thank you as well for your hand in giving me a new fetish (you can read the comment I mention that in back at the third story), and I personally welcome the chance to see where this (and the other potential story) will go. Even without the parts that turn me on, I still find this fascinating, so I would most likely keep reading this series regardless (am very glad I checked out the first story).

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I would say the concept of "this is not a healthy relationship" is false.

A healthy relationship is what all parties decide it to be when they make a decision of sound mind. So long as that decision doesn't harm others and makes those within the party happy, then it's healthy. Regardless of its contents.

Is this somewhat extreme? Absolutely. But extreme fetishes are not inherently unhealthy, and neither are 24/7 cuckolds or submissives.

I feel that those complaining about this being "unhealthy" are simply reacting to this going past the mark that they themselves would be comfortable within such a relationship. And that's alright, it's okay to have varying opinions, limits and preferences. But it's not good to point at something and claim "unhealthy" without grasping what a healthy relationship actually needs to define. Just because its not your speed, doesn't make it unhealthy.

edit: that being said, this is one of my fav stories on this website so far. Lol

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That's what I've been thinking too...(Not like I haven't been making that clear, but just thought I would show solidarity)

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Well said!

I suspect I'm with Shining Armor when I say... I kind of wish Sombra had managed to get out the order to stop.

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Yeah, that's about right, it means nothing to me. Cadance is showing affection to emotionally manipulate Shining into giving her more of what she wants; torturing Shining, physically mutilating him in an irreparable manner and giving Sombra more chances to hurt him. Cadance has made clear from the entire story that to her Shining's wellbeing, health, and stability are meaningless compared to Sombra being allowed to torture and hurt him. Shining has 3 confidants who he can speak to about this situation and every single one of them literally mocks him, enjoys seeing him physically injured and have a vested interest in continuing what they want him to do.

If Cadance had his best interests in heart why not tell Celestia or his Parents? If Cadance had affection for him why does she feel a need to hide what she and Sombra are doing to him from his parents? From Celestia and Luna? From Flurry? If everything she is doing is simply an expression of affection then they'd understand and everything would progress as it was. By actively depriving Shining of this she literally keeps him trapped in a bubble where he endures constant, constant abuse, degradation, torture and has no sympathetic or compassionate confidants or friends in his entire life. That he has not committed suicide yet is a miracle but I have no doubt the next story will be Cadance and Sombra telling him to kill himself so they can get off on their jollies since the two seem to see him as nothing more than a piece of meat for them to torment.

Furthermore, if Cadance actually had affection for Shining, or romantic interest in him, she would actually show it and interact with him beyond endlessly insulting him and belittling him except for this one case. So it is absolutely impossible to take seriously that Cadance has 'affection' or 'romantic interest' in him when, beyond this single case, she never interacts with him in any context beyond hurting him.

Also your statement that if he had self-worth issues he would not agree to this readily is just ridiculous. It is exactly because he has self-worth issues that he does agree so readily. Shining literally currently lives in a bubble where he is constantly told he is worthless, constantly put down, constantly has his life demeaned and belittled and equated to nothing by all three the closest people to him and not one of them shows any remorse for what they have done. This is literally exactly a situation which creates self-esteem issues and leads to situations where the individual becomes so dependent on their abusers they do anything, say anything, to achieve some form of validation because they receive no positive reinforcement or validation anywhere else in their lives.

Thinking that because an abused person is agreeing with his abusers they are somehow 'incapable of having self-worth issues' frankly just displays a lack of awareness of what self-worth issues are and the self-destructive behaviours they manifest.

Cadance displays no ongoing romantic attachment to Shining. Beyond one chapter of asking Shining's opinion, when he first engages with her, Cadance's interactions with Shining are near exclusively insults, belittlement or an unwillingness to stop Sombra consistently calling him worthless and dehumanizing (deponynizing) him. There is no romantic attachment at all. Cadance is utterly awful in this. I simply cannot even think how to reconcile this with the Alicorn who said explicitly that "All my thoughts does he consume" of Shining.

Nor do I know how she is willing to do this to Flurry Heart's Father, to not give him even a single confidant who does not constantly torture him and insult him, who actually cares about him. Then again based off VClaw's seeming pathological need to have everyone in Shining's life hate him I assume in this fic if Flurry ever does find out she probably tortures her father, calls him a worthless failure who should die, and then begs Sombra to fuck her as well.

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Cadance literally is concealing everything they are doing to Shining from his own parents. She is concealing her child's parentage. She is more than willing to deceive and conceal if it allows her to continue her sick torture of Shining. It is clear she has no care for him at all at this point and just sees him as a living toy to torment and degrade and to whom she can barely even say a kind word.

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That's a big part of it for me. Cadance and Sombra seem literally bent on just turning Shining into a shell. His career, gone, his family, gone, his lovelife, gone, his own physical autonomy, gone, his own bodily integrity, gone, his own free will, gone.

They are literally reducing him to nothing but a mindless toy for them to torture for their own amusement and they give almost no regard for him. As long as Sombra is happy Cadance seems to have completely forgotten everything she and Shining ever did together, the entire wedding and her devotion to him, all just because apparently she feels Sombra's cock is more important than Shining's own existence as a sapient, thinking, feeling being.

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So long as that decision doesn't harm others and makes those within the party happy

It does harm others. It literally harms Shining. Not to mention are you saying the idea of abusive relationships, the idea of people trapped in destructive relationships they seem to consent too but clearly should be extricated from doesn't exist? That the idea of battered spouse syndrome doesn't exist? Of co-dependency?

Attempting to say 'as long as everyone is happy everything is fine' is simply completely false when Shining is not, in anyway, given a free, fair, mentally balanced circumstance to live in. His entire life is the two most important people too him in his world nonstop telling him he is worthless and dehumanizing him completely. That is not a fit state to make rational decisions in whatsoever.

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So painplay and bloodplay is abusive? Masochism is abusive? Spanking is abusive? 24/7 bdsm slaves are in an abusive scenario? Someone, that enjoys being strung up and whipped is being abused?

He has 100% control. They stopped multiple times. Not ONLY did they stop, but HE stopped. He stepped out of his role, gained the courage, and discussed things with both Sombra and Cadence. That shows he has the will, and strength, and capability to stop any and all proceedings. But simply chooses not to because he doesn't WANT to.

He is an extreme masochistic 24/7 cuckold. And they exist. And that relationship is perfectly healthy and fine so long as they are 100% consensual and hurt no one OUTSIDE of the relationship.

Once agin. Just because it is beyond YOUR personal limits, does not make it unhealthy.

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1. The insults and belittlement are done in private, and intended to arouse him, which they clearly do...
2. They are keeping it private because Sombra will likely be linched if they do not, and the complications are extremely unpleasant even if others accept it (and likely would not, and would probably react the way you are), and none of them want to deal with it. You have just proven you are clearly not paying attention...
3. None of what you said explains why or how Shining is in an abusive relationship other than that it is not treated by the narrative as a totally casual and acceptable relationship in-universe, which has been clearly explained why it is not. As Almanac said, pain and control do not mean "abuse", and it seems like you are automatically dismissing Shining's consent just because he is doing what he wants and it lines up with Cadence and Sombra (which seems to clearly be that they know what he wants already, and give him choices of how far he wants to take it). If Shining were to be presented with something he did not want, and said "No" and either of them manipulated him into consenting, that would be abuse, and just because that exact scenario has not come up does not mean we can just assume abuse. Cadence shows she cares about him in the second chapter, and you bringing up the earlier example invalidates your idea that this is not consensual...

I am assuming nothing, and letting the narrative lay out for me what it is attempting to convey, and then judging it to the best of my ability. I see that Shining clearly enjoyed this back in the first story, and it is shown over and over after that that despite the intense rollercoaster Sombra, Cadence, and Twilight put him through, he doesn't want it to stop because it turns him on and gives him a greater sense of fulfillment in his life. Once again, you are clearly not acknowledging what you are reading if you don't see that, as we are literally seeing this all from Shining's point of view, and every time he considers something he makes his own decision without Sombra or Cadence's suggestions. It is only after he decides for himself that Sombra now truly orders him with impunity, and we know why Shining is fine with that...

As I have already said, it is clear you and others are confusing going to extreme lengths with a fetish/relationship to be the same as mental issues and abuse, based on nothing more than the circumstances involved not explicitly praising this as okay to everybody and not doing what you think three ponies-in this case-should do with one another. Grow the fizz up people, others have every right to like being in a relationship that involves rough treatment, and it is only abusive when control is taken away, not when it is given willingly. Also, you seem to forget that both Shining and Cadence agreed to do this when this started, and are now simply delving deeper into it now that they know they both like it better than their old lives. I think that's pretty great myself, and hope that this (and the possible alternate route) goes well for them!

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So painplay and bloodplay is abusive? Masochism is abusive? Spanking is abusive? 24/7 bdsm slaves are in an abusive scenario? Someone, that enjoys being strung up and whipped is being abused?

So abusive relationships don't exist? Co-dependency doesn't exist? Battered spouses don't exist? Toxic relationships don't exist?

You've completely misunderstood my point if you think I'm stating the mere actions taken in-of-themselves constitute abuse. That you ignore that abusive relationships in which people undergo things which are clearly bad for them due to having no outside intervention and assistance despite this being a more than frequently documented enough case is the issue.

He has 100% control. They stopped multiple times. Not ONLY did they stop, but HE stopped. He stepped out of his role, gained the courage, and discussed things with both Sombra and Cadence. That shows he has the will, and strength, and capability to stop any and all proceedings. But simply chooses not to because he doesn't WANT to.

He has not a single person in his life who he interacts concerning this who doesn't want him to do it and regularly cheer him on for it. Both Sombra and Cadance and Twilight enable, egg him on and dehumanize him constantly. For him to actually have a sound mental state to make such important decisions in he should be given access to more input than just that as all three have shown they have an active, vested, interest in making him suffer for their own enjoyment.

He is an extreme masochistic 24/7 cuckold. And they exist. And that relationship is perfectly healthy and fine so long as they are 100% consensual and hurt no one OUTSIDE of the relationship.
Once agin. Just because it is beyond YOUR personal limits, does not make it unhealthy.

Again, just because you literally ignore the fact that abusive relationships are a real thing that exists does not make it healthy.

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The insults and belittlement are done in private, and intended to arouse him, which they clearly do...

Firstly, physical arousal is most definitively not an inherent sign of happiness. Secondly, it doesn't matter, it still remains the fact that he is dehumanized near constantly and all the people closet to him, when they can, almost permanently call him worthless and inferior and holding no value at all. There is next to no positive reinforcement he is given ever in his entire life now.

They are keeping it private because Sombra will likely be linched if they do not, and the complications are extremely unpleasant even if others accept it (and likely would not, and would probably react the way you are), and none of them want to deal with it. You have just proven you are clearly not paying attention...

Twilight accepted it. If Equestria is as it as always been shown, loving, tolerant and accepting then if there is absolutely nothing wrong here, and Shining is not suffering in any way, shape or form, then they'd accept it.

None of what you said explains why or how Shining is in an abusive relationship other than that it is not treated by the narrative as a totally casual and acceptable relationship in-universe, which has been clearly explained why it is not. As Almanac said, pain and control do not mean "abuse", and it seems like you are automatically dismissing Shining's consent just because he is doing what he wants and it lines up with Cadence and Sombra (which seems to clearly be that they know what he wants already, and give him choices of how far he wants to take it). If Shining were to be presented with something he did not want, and said "No" and either of them manipulated him into consenting, that would be abuse, and just because that exact scenario has not come up does not mean we can just assume abuse.

No, it's because everyone he talks to about this have a vested interest in making him continue it so they can hurt him for their own enjoyment. That Shining has absolutely no confidant who is not actively eager for him to hurt himself and who gives him any perspective other than one already motivated to do it, is the issue.

Cadence shows she cares about him in the second chapter

When Shining is first confronting her with an issue. She has near never of her own initiative been shown displaying any affection spontaneously for Shining in any regard. Indeed other than hurting him and this one scene she basically ignores him completely.

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Okay, I didn't want to intervene in the middle of this, but I really don't like having my readers being criticized for the content they enjoy. This story is a commission, and is set around the idea of fantasy to play into a kink's furthest extremes. Yes, this is a dark story. And yes, this story will only get darker as time goes on. I made it crystal clear that this story is not a healthy representation of cuckolding, and I never tried to imply that it should be seen as such. But if you're really that upset about the content I'm writing (which is helping me keep my finances in check, by the way), then you have every right not to read it. I'm not hurting anyone in real life by writing this stuff, and it's not like any of my readers are unaware of how dark this is. It's a dark story, which involves fictional characters in a fantasy setting. You have every right to be upset or offended by the content I create, but I'd appreciate it if you didn't harass my readers over it.

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You clearly refuse to understand what we have said to you repeatedly and are ignoring a lot of what we say. I'm done

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I am 100% aware that abusive relationship are a thing. I'm a BDSM coach. I have been a part of the community for well over ten years, and I happen to be an experience submissive AND a full-time Master.

Yes, abusive relationships exist, I have seen many in my life and broken up my fair share. One of my subs was traumatised by a system known as Gorean play; where co-dependency and the loss of self is the entire system. He has major depressive and anxiety disorders, and when I met him, he couldn't even look me in the eye, let alone say anything out of turn and that was BEFORE he was under my collar. He's also an intense masochist, likely due to a personal need to be hurt to feel worthy because those in his past made him feel like he was only worthy of being hurt for their entertainment.

So I am MORE than aware of the negative issues and abusiveness capable in such a world of kink. And I am telling you right now, that this story does NOT represent abuse in ANY way.

You are incorrect, sir. This story is fine.

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You don't need to bother with this individual. Your story is fine, even as far as the kink goes.

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His point seems to boil down to three major issues: 1. That Shining is being demeaned and physically affected in a way that in most cases would be negative (ignoring or misunderstanding my and your point that that is what he wants and was the basis of this idea when both he and Cadence planned this).
2. That Shining has no one who doesn't support and add to his situation/has someone outside of it to interact with. While also not understanding that the fact that Cadence and Sombra are treating him well outside of the bedroom does not mean that they are manipulating him, even when the most recent chapter has Cadence give him a failsafe (which he only agrees to nominally, because it is what both him and Sombra want, a bit dishonest, but I respect Shining Armor's right to choose what he has his Superior do and not do)
and 3. That he refuses to accept the political and societal issues of the situation, and possibly the characters' behavior itself, because it clashes with the show's depiction in his mind.

Fireshade seems incapable of grasping that you can genuinely enjoy a situation like Shining is in, and have it have the caveats it does, and that not be abusive. He seems to think that if there is not clear and obvious counterpoints to a relationship like this, than you have to assume the worst and that all positives are just manipulation. Alternative interpretation at its finest...
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Almanac is right, don't worry about this too much VClaw. It is more as I said above, he is unable to comprehend what you are laying out for whatever reason, even though you don't do anything in writing it to misconstrue it. He is asking you in essence to write the story's overall layout entirely differently, without any of the hangups that are present to it and give it at least some of its tension. At least, that is what his comments lead me to believe...

I'm done with answering him directly (I have more than enough experience with people who ignore presented points in an argument all for the sake of their totally subjective and emotional viewpoint to know I won't get anywhere), but I thought it would be good to show some solidarity and give a final layout of things as I see them.

Perhaps my ignorance is showing here, but how can Shining continually be aroused by and therefore enjoy being an absolute submissive cuck if he is gelded?

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Cadance assured Shining that he would have testosterone patches to help him maintain arousal.

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The idea that castration/gelding makes you unable to have or enjoy sex is a myth. You can still become aroused and even have orgasms with ejaculate. It just means you can't father children and you no longer produce testosterone. This CAN cause a reduced libido, but this can be treated with hormones.

I hope we will see the next chapter soon xp

Any sort of ETA on the next chapter? Or is this on the backburner?

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I actually wrote out chapter seven in advance, and I plan to write chapter six sometime in November after I finish my Patreon projects. I'll be sure to release both chapters then. ;)

Love this series! Very kinky. Please release the next chapters!

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Soon... :3