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pretty much the majority of stories on the site would need the 'dark' tag, cause I'm sure if I tried hard enough, I could find something 'dark' about most of them.

An excellent point.
Heh. It would be a fun exercise to go through the current feature box and find reasons to tag each one of them [Dark].
... and then report each of them for being improperly tagged.
Luckily for the site staff’s patience levels, I’m not vindictive enough to try that.

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Fimfiction has no real category for happy go lucky questionably ethical dubious consent sex.

It would be nice if we had [Dubcon] or [Noncon] tags ... then using those along with the lack of a [Dark] tag would give you a pretty good idea of it.

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Waaay during the time travel episode, I think.

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It's the kind of dark that I like though! The stuff that seems dark but is misleading. I really like my clop happy and consensual. I don't mind weird stuff like this, but this isn't even close to dark. You can't rape the willing even if it seems dubious at first. If she is aware enough to say "Give it to me" and not sound drunk, then it isn't rape. It's a grey area, but it isn't bad! Consent is one of those things that have people argue about relentlessly and endlessly, but in this case it's a bizarre form of consent!

And for ease of mind, we aren't talking about the scenerios where people get pregnant, don't want it, and claim rape. That's a whole different kind of beans. This is a Pony site, not real life!

Guacamole

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Ah, way back in the Season 2 days...

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I have no idea what this means, but I’m going to assume it’s positive.
Either that, or I’m supposed to put it on toast and then not have a house.

Amazing, as always.

8424156 Yes, and nothing in this story is 'dark' again, it all depends on tone, and the tone, is anything other then dark in anyway. Plus as many have made clear, this isn't even 'dubcon' it's just "Twilight is embarrassed to admit what a kinky pervert she is to other but fully into thing once the sexy starts."

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I do what I can! ^.^
What’s your favorite part so far?

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Definitely when Soarin clapped right after he gave Twilight the facial.

Amazing as always, and think I enjoyed this more then the last chapter. Last one was kinkier sure, but this was, kind of sweeter. Also I freaking LOVED the whole "Oh no! Something happened to Spirtfire" though line. Plus just how awesome Soarin was about this.First half had me laughing my ass off, second half... well.. you can guess. Not as kinky, but the way it went, loved the Soarin took his time, that the story was slow, built up to it, really used the scene well, not just jump right to the fucking.

And yeah, Twi has embraced her inner slut. I am half expecting her next talk to end with something along the line of "I will do anything you ask. ANYTHING, no matter how kinky, how perverted, how demeaning. I will be your little fuck toy in anyway you want." and all but begging Spitfire to do something with her. I LOVE IT!

Just, another amazing chapter where the non-clop was just as fun and entertaining as the clop, and the characters really felt like ponies, not just mindless sexbots. Though... kind of curious why Soarin would need to hire hookers. He's a Wonderbolt, he could likely just go down to the casino floor, shout "Who wants to fuck a Wonderbolt!?" and have his pick. Still, if he likes it. Great chapter, not as kinky hot as the last, but more fun and sweeter, nice change of pace.

Oh and

, but for it was an involuntary movement for most,

Typo.

Also, you've displaced Monochromatic from the top of the feature box. DAMN!

So this was a great chapter, but I was thinking...
Twilight has seen Starlight's clone spell, and as you've already pointed out in chapter one, Twilight is usually able to copy a spell, even if she's only seen it once. She could have copied herself, frozen time, then let Soarin have his way with her clone while she had to watch. Oh well.
Like I said, still a good chapter.

8424998 Given the way that works, doubt it. Given the spells used, and what the individual ones were. It's not a 'cloning' spell. It's more like qwhat the Flash calls a 'Speed Clone' Simply moving so fast between two location you APPEAR to be in both at the same time.

8424886 The thing about dubious consent is the whole dubious part. If Twi has to comply with whatever they want her to do, in what way can she possibly consent? She has no choice in the matter.

Having this conversation with you is a lot like two people saying

"But look at the funny clowns!"

"Yes, but look at the knives in his belt!"

"Yes, but clowns! And he probably just juggles those!"

"One of them is crusted with blood!"

I get it, I do, to you it's only important that everyone seems happy. To me it's disturbing that everyone seems happy when they are doing awful things to each other. And Fimfiction has no clear answer about whether it's more important to look at the clowns or the knives.

8425027 Except nothing 'awful' is happening at all, in anyway. If you don't like, then don't read. It's clear from the story description what is going on.

And again, you have yet to make a single case for how this is 'dark' per the definition of that tag given on the site. Once again, I could go through the site and find something 'dark' about most stories.

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Well, yes, it would be ideal. The act of questionably consensual sex really should be separated from things like murder or war. It's not the best situation that your story shares a category with Upheaval.

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Both

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I'm beginning to think you might not be reading my comments at all. I've said throughout, and maintained throughout, that dark is not a perfect fit for this situation because it's a nebulously defined tag to begin with. I just know the story needs something to separate it from other stories, because yes:

Twilight using time magic to molest ponies?
Twilight trying to do the same to Celestia?
Twilight then being made to perform any act of contrition to those same ponies via a sexual act of their choosing?

These are all awful things, and make the story exist in a world where ponies are happy to do them, just like that happy clown who seems to be a murderer when he leaves the circus.

And you're right, I can just not read it. That's fine for me. But there are in fact others out there that might find this shit a little disturbing, and those people should have a warning of some type before they get murdered by the clown.

8425066 First off, those first two don't have a damn thing to do with the story, at all. They are not in here and do not apply in anyway.

The third, and with the way Twi is enjoying it, it's like Celestia ordered her to read any book certain ponies told her to, it's not a punishment OR anything she at all minds. What matters IS the context and how it's used in story. The tone.

Like you said, Dark does not apply, at all, just because you don't like it, does not make it 'dark'. And it HAS plenty of ways to make clear what is in it, the entire title page of the story is laying it out exactly what is going on. There is no 'tag' of any kind needed of what exists. Admitting it's s crappy fit, yet still saying it need it, makes no sense. Again, you admit that the Dark tag does not actually apply, but just want to have it there because the idea makes you feel icky. Not for any objective reason.

I read this all through so far and I have loved it all. Can't wait for the next chapter.
Also, It's a very light tone, and it's shown that, while there is the possibility of the other pones doing things against Twi's consent, so far none have done anything she didn't want. It's a very light and a somewhat cheerfully toned story.
OBVIOUSLY, It deserves to be tagged with a [dark]. Admins know best in EVERY situation. They are the best and smartest people on the entire planet. I'm sure the tags are INTENTIONALLY vague, because they are so smart!

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You know, let's just take a moment and look at the dark tag in detail, shall we?

Dark stories contain aspects that deal with grim situations where hope seems to be lost or the ‘good guys’ have lost the battle or are losing it with horrifying consequences. Tyranny, torture, war and death are common themes for these type of stories. While the tag doesn’t mean necessarily that evil ultimately prevails, it does heavily imply that it is for the most part winning. This tag may also apply to stories with particularly unsettling concepts, such as a character’s descent into insanity.

Unsettling concepts. Like Twilight having no morals. A unicorn with pretty damned powerful magic who is willing to use it to commit sex crimes. That same unicorn being forced by the law of the land to perform sexual favors for her former victims. Yeah, actually, I think that tag fits.

But in the end, it doesn't matter. We don't get to make that call. We're just armchair quarterbacks arguing semantics.

8425105 Again, half of that IS NOT IN THIS STORY! so endlessly harping on it is pointless and just shows you really aren't even paying attention to what IS in the story, and are just carrying over a hate-on from the previous one.

The rest, no it's not 'unsettling' because in context there is not a damn thing unsettling about this, and everypony is enjoying themselves. There is not the slightest thing wrong in this story. You are ignoring the context and tone, which is what matters! There is not a single, objective reason to force a 'dark' tag on this, just because you are squeamish about one concept, that is fully laid on in the content warning and story description.

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You can't ignore the events of the first story when they are referenced in the description. They happened.

And yes, in context there is everything to be unsettled about, because you have ponies casually committing sex crimes and other ponies just happily accepting that they are now owed a favor by a pony who molested them.

Imagine this conversation in real life?

Random cop comes to your door. "Hey, listen, the chief wants me to let you know that if you get into any legal trouble, you get a pass. You see last night I kinda broke into your house and rubbed my penis on your asscrack until I came. I cleaned up and locked the door afterwards but yeah, that happened. We cool?"

8425120 But they are not in this story, and do not matter. Because again, they are NOT in this story.

Nor is there any 'crime' being committed. Have you actually READ the damn thing? Twilight is not objecting to, not actually needing to be forced into any of this, she's enjoying the excuse to get kinky. There is not one, single facet of this story that is in anyway 'Dark".

Just because you are squeamish about the topic... then don't read it! It's that simple, go away, leave it alone, and stop trying to force everyone to agree with you're own PoV on what is an is not objectively 'dark'. Once again, you have given not one single reason beyond 'I don't like it'. This isn't about what you like, so get the buck over it.

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"Unsettling" is not objective. You can't define which concepts are unsettling.
I find dolls, bugs, free form jazz and the miracle of childbirth unsettling. Not everyone does. That's why you can't argue that a [dark] tag is deserved on a story with a quite light tone.
For me, a talking pony using magic to stop time and molest other magic talking ponies who are frozen in the middle of a threesome and the instantly have a simultaneous orgasm is way too silly to be unsettling to me.

rape is pretty dark bro

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I agree, there is no clear objective definition for what is unsettling to everyone. I'm just saying that when you look at the tag, yes, there is a reason we could apply it.

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Where's the rape, bro?

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I'll agree with that when childbirth fics get [dark] tags.

8425137 And look, there is none of that in this story.
8425139 No there is not, you still have yet to objectively prove that beyond 1. "I don't like it" and 2. You're still salty from the first one not conforming to your personal idea on what is and is not 'dark'. Again, the tone is fully and utterly antithetical to it being a 'dark' story. There is not a single damn thing here that needs a big, inaccurate, and even PER KNIGHTY does not need to be there, for a story that is even closer to potentially needing it, tag, just because you don't like the idea.

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Heh, well, I guess if you become a story admin you can start retagging based on your viewpoints on childbirth.

8425145 So, yes, let's just keep up with the bullshit abuse of power crap.

The whole point is how fucked up that idea is. What you feel doesn't mean shit, all it means is, this is a story you don't want to read, so go away and leave it alone and stop trying to enforce your own idea of what MUST be tagged 'dark' just because of a concept you don't like.

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Not in the story.

“Okay... I guess whether you get mad or not is your own prerogative.” She took a deep breath and continued anyway, “I came there for you, Rainbow. I intended to use my time spell for perverted purposes, and I went there with the intention to look at you... And to touch you. In inappropriate ways.”

That's within the first one thousand words. Yes, a description of Twilight's happy fun time magic molestation time is contained in this story.

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When I become almighty ruler, I will tag everything dark, for some people find pony fics to be unsettling.
And, apparently, reading descriptions is too hard.

8425150 But it does not happen. the act is not part of the story, just Twilight giving a highly, not even close to dark, in anyway recap of it. Which again, is not actually 'dark' in anyway shape or form.

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a description of something that was deemed not worthy of the [dark] tag?

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Pfft. No, I apologized to DLS for that in public. If anything, I'm unhappy with the website for having no clear answer for this.

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Feel free to ask knighty about it. It was his ruling.

8425160 Then take that up in a site post or thread, not constantly harping how this story needs a tag you freely admit does not actually apply, but you just insist needs to be there because..... reasons.

In that comment, Knighty outright implied that more through tagging was in the works.

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Honestly, the same could be said of you. Arguments for or against a tag really don't have a place on the story itself. Tell you what, I'm going to leave this alone, and I suggest you do the same. You obviously have your reasoning, I have mine, there is no further point to us discussing it because neither of us can enforce or remove the tag in question. I suggest taking your arguments to a mod, lobby where it will do some good.

The key to not pissing anyone off in the comments of a clopfic is to suck everyone's ass and make them your friend

-ForeverLonely, 2017

Hmm, me thinks Twilight is going to find a few ways to make her pregnancy rather kinky.

non-consensual intercourse between one willing and one unwilling partner

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 that the story was slow, built up to it, really used the scene well, not just jump right to the fucking.

And that is why I keep having 6000+ word chapters on my clopfics. At least it’s appreciated, though!

I am half expecting her next talk to end with something along the line of "I will do anything you ask. ANYTHING, no matter how kinky, how perverted, how demeaning. I will be your little fuck toy in anyway you want." and all but begging Spitfire to do something with her.

Oh, that’s very on the mark ... with the added twist that Spitfire is not into it, and yet she begs anyway. ^.^

Typo.

Fixing time!

Also, you've displaced Monochromatic from the top of the feature box. DAMN!

And that just goes to show the “You kept the dark tag off just for selfish reasons so that more people would read it” crowd. Even with the [Dark] tag, it shot right up to the top of the feature box. It’s not like I need to cheat to get ahead -- so why would they assume that was my motivation?

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 She could have copied herself, frozen time, then let Soarin have his way with her clone while she had to watch.

Uh ... but Soarin still wouldn’t be able to move while time was frozen.
And if Soarin was the focus of the spell, neither Twilight would be able to move, which leads back to the same problem in the chapter.

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If Twi has to comply with whatever they want her to do, in what way can she possibly consent?

If she wants to do it, then she’s consenting to it, whether she was commanded to do it or not.
And I hope I have enough hints in the story to show that she does indeed want it.

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I just know the story needs something to separate it from other stories, because yes:

Twilight using time magic to molest ponies?
Twilight trying to do the same to Celestia?

That’s not even this story you’re talking about anymore.

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I’m glad you’re enjoying it so far. ^.^
And the story approver may have the power to change tags ... but I have the power to put passive-aggressive additions onto the story description!

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You’re commenting on the wrong story for that one.

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Not pissing anyone off?
Where’s the fun in that?

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Sadly, it’s not within the scope of this story to show what she does while she’s visibly pregnant...

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You might want to read it before you make proclamations about what’s in it and how disgusting it is...

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Twilight using time magic to molest ponies?

Not gonna get back into tag discussion of any type, but yes, if she describes her actions to Rainbow by way of explaining why she wants to make things right with her, that point does stand in this story. I will grant you that the details of her attempted crime against Celestia is not mentioned in this one, however, since she has no reason to describe that to anypony else. But I would say a sequel is in theory supposed to be part of a continuous narrative, so yes, things that happened in the first are also things that happened in the second. Really, this new story should be just more chapters of the first, since it involves the same characters and events. In that way, you might have unintentionally cheated the system a bit.

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a sequel is in theory supposed to be part of a continuous narrative,

this new story should be just more chapters of the first, since it involves the same characters and events.

So, a proper sequel should be part of the same continuous narrative, but not involve the same characters or events.

That makes it pretty hard to make a legitimate sequel, no?

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Well, no. A sequel can involve different characters, and settings, but obviously it can include some or all of the characters from the original. Generally you'd want to make a sequel if your focus character is going to change, or the previous story got unworldly long... That was just an observation, though. Mostly, when they worry about it, it's when people post one shot after one shot with the same basic narrative and characters, so it makes more sense to just have them all be in the same story. But if you think about it, does making this a sequel actually do anything other than necessitate a new description so people who haven't read the previous story are caught up with the premise? Your characters, setting, and basic tone are all intact, this is just more of the same.

Not saying you were wrong to make this a sequel, just that your readers would possibly find it to flow better in a single story. /shrug

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Idk lol. One of my other accts was here earlier, I checked on this story and boom there's a miniature war going on down there. I mean really, come on guys. This wonderful writer is just trying to make things for you to do whatever you please with. She/he isn't asking much. Just don't make a cancer war in the comments, for the sake of other readers, MEME stars like me (Non-cloppers who go to stories to be random as hell cause we think its funny for some reason), and people who do the other things that im not liable to put here in my comment. Just end the cancer, show respect, and if you have a problem with another user or the story itself DON'T POST YOUR OPINION HERE ON A BRONY FANFICTION SITE! Nobody really cares about how you feel about another user. Constructive criticism is usually appreciated for all parties involved. Good feedback goes the same way. But when I look at this stories comments, all I can say is [wow thank god i don't write clop cause if this is what my comments would look like i'd probably just delete my acct]. So all in all, point is, stop being edgy.

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I suppose so, this is your spell/story, and if that's how it works, that's how it works.

8425381 i understand why you're alone now