Poison(Alice Cooper; 1989)
Chemistry Chapter 7: Poison
by Fuzzyfurvert
Luna frowned as she held Twilight’s mane back while the younger alicorn heaved half digested coffee onto the linoleum floor of the Judicial Authority library. “We hate to interrupt, but twould seem that We are not the only one who has noticed your faint. Our sister has just dispatched the guard to collect your unconscious form.”
“Uhg…why do I have to vomit in my dreams? Isn’t there a rule against that?”
“Tis not Our fault your mind is such a stickler for correct details.” Luna chuckled. “We shall let them know you are ill and to be gentle. However, it would seem you are destined to speak with Celestia sooner rather than later.”
Twilight groaned and wiped a hoof across her muzzle. “This is going to be pleasant. Does she know yet? About...this?”
Luna shrugged gracefully. “If not yet, she will know soon. We do not think you will escape her wrath this time, Twilight. We will, however, speak with her on your behalf.”
Twilight swallowed and grimaced. “You don’t have to do that, Luna. I...chose this. My curiosity gets me into more trouble than I like to think at times.”
“Still, you’ve done no harm yet.” Luna smiled and stroked Twilight’s mane softly. “That counts for something, We say.”
Twilight nodded slowly. “Will you stay with me until we get there?”
“Aye.”
Shining Armor sighed as the hot water beat down on his aching neck and shoulders. He must be getting older, he could feel it in his knees and hips. Taking care of Cadance always took it out of him, but the ache from holding himself up was new.
“No more skipping gym night, Captain.” Shining grunted and flicked his mane out of his eyes. “Time for a haircut too.”
He reached up and turned the water off, letting himself drip in the steam-filled royal bath. Without the rush of the shower he could just barely hear Cadance breathing from their bed. She’d passed out in his office an hour ago after finally suppressing her urges. It brought back a lot of old memories from Canterlot. It was surprisingly nostalgic, having to maintain an anti-magic shield while seeing to Cadance’s needs and then carrying her through the castle in an opaque sphere back to their private chambers.
Shining Armor stepped out from the shower stall and walked slowly over to the huge marbled counter and sink. He wiped a hoof across the mirror to clear the fog and smirked at his own reflection. “Yeah, time for a haircut, Shining.”
“Goddess, when did I become my father?” Shining leaned forward and examined the bags under his eyes and the deepening groove in his horn. “I doubt dad ever had to juggle my sort of duties.”
He checked his teeth for a moment and then reached down under the counter and pulled out a small jar of cooling salve. It had been a long time since he’d last used it but when he unscrewed the cap, that familiar smell wafted up and the cream looked just as it always did. Shining ran the edge of one hoof through the salve and reared up on his hind legs. With the mirror he could see the area with the worst chafing.
“Well...I certainly hope dad never had to deal with this.”
In her immense bed, Cadance rolled over and moaned softly. She reached out unconsciously and grabbed a pillow which she crushed to her chest. As she slept, the room grew warmer, the air took on the heady scent of a mare and pheromones as her horn flashed erratically. A pinkish colored miasma coalesced around the bed and began to swirl like its own miniature tornado with little tendrils reaching out exploratively.
Cadance dreamt of kisses and caresses and whispered little nothings in-between. She lay together with Twilight on a huge bed covered with silken sheets and surrounded by row after row of tealight candles. Music seemed to fill the background as she gently rolled onto her back.
Twilight was slowly driving her wild with small butterfly kisses that drifted up her barrel. The smaller alicorn lifted up over Cadance, the look on Twilight’s face said more than words about the sheer lust that flooded the two of them. Cadance gasped as Twilight’s horn suddenly set itself ablaze, casting them in a bright purple hue, and she felt something as supple and warm as a tongue but much larger begin to explore the whole of her.
She moaned louder as the flashing of her horn grew faster. The glittery haze created by her magic was as thick as morning fog and spread to fill the entire bedroom. Cadance’s body moved on sluggish autopilot as she rolled again and lifted her hips. Her hooves pawed futilely at the pillow in her grip for a moment before they found their way back to her slick wetness and the nub that was the center of her world.
“I wonder what she’s dreaming about?”
Shining shook his head and levitated a few towels down to where he was sitting on the royal bathroom floor. He was glad he’d had the forethought to put up a barrier around the bedroom before getting in the shower. He channeled a little more arcane juice into the shield and shifted to get his makeshift towel pillows underneath his knees.
Shining frowned as he watched his wife pant and writhe on their bed. Cadance was still unconscious but her hooves were on autopilot as she dreamed. He could feel the shield vibrate as her powers collided with it and bounced off only to slam into it again like a caged beast. If he entered and tried to comfort her, Shining feared it would overtake him instantly. Then he’d have a lot more than uncomfortable chafing to deal with.
Cadance groaned from the bed as she arched her back. “Twi...light…”
Shining blinked and tweaked the shield spell to block out sound. “I didn’t hear that.”
Twilight groaned and opened her real eyes. She could feel the light touch of magic running over her scalp, through her hair. It managed to find that perfect point of warmth and pressure that was at once both comfortable and painful, soothing even as it sent little jolts of pain along her horn. A golden glow passed briefly over her eyes as she focused on a ceiling that she knew well from her days as a full-time student.
“On a scale of one to ten, how angry are you?”
The princess she’d really rather not be talking to stepped into view as the feeling of the magic touch left her. “I would say about...a four. I was initially feeling more towards a eight but after Luna intervened on your behalf and seeing your injury, I have managed to simmer down somewhat.”
Celestia looked at Twilight with wet eyes. “I have looked over the trauma you’ve inflicted on yourself and I recommend you refrain from using too much magic. Thankfully, it is only a minor concussion. Rest for a few days and you’ll be back to normal.”
“Ugh...minor? It feels like there is a minotaur in a china shop and the china shop is my head.”
“If you can make metaphors, Twilight, you are not so bad off, considering. I mean it though. Take it easy and let the thaumatic pathways of your horn heal. Too much too soon and you might cripple yourself.” Celestia sighed and closed her eyes. “Goddess, Twilight, why?”
Twilight kept her gaze on the ceiling and did her best to ignore her princess. That seemed like the best way to fight the nausea that was churning her stomach. “Because. I-I just couldn’t accept it. I had to know what was in those cases. I had to know...had to know what sort of pony could accuse Cadance of a crime and make it stick. A part of me just couldn’t believe that she was guilty of anything more than being sweet and wonderful and loving.”
Twilight fell silent for a moment. “And I was curious...to be honest. I let it get out of control. Again.”
“You committed an act of betrayal by opening those case files. Betrayal of trust. MY trust, Twilight.” Celestia’s voice sounded flat. “I instructed you to leave it alone and talk to Cadance about this and yet you could not wait. To say I am disappointed in you would be an understatement.”
“I’m sorry.” Twilight closed her eyes against the lights to drift in cool darkness. “Can...can you ever forgive me? I know I make mistakes and sometimes I get carried away. I’m just...really really sorry.”
Celestia didn’t answer. Twilight fidgeted on the large cushion that held her as the silence stretched on.
Eventually Celestia sighed. “In time, yes, I will forgive you. But you have forced my hoof, Twilight. While the only victims of your actions so far are my feelings and Cadance’s privacy, I am still reserving my right to place judgement upon you.”
Twilight tensed. She’d feared an outcome like this. Why did she have to be so curious at times? Why did she just have to know everything? How could she be so smart and so stupid at the same time?
“I am sending you to the infirmary. The doctors are going to give you something to help with the concussion. While they do so, I am going to write an official letter of apology to Princess Mi Amore Cadenza and alert her to this information leak and the circumstances around it.”
Twilight turned her head to look at Celestia. “Wait...that’s it? Sorry Princess, but I was expecting...a bit more.”
Celestia looked down her muzzle at Twilight and her horn started to glow faintly. “You will deliver it, personally to Princess Cadance. Furthermore, Twilight Sparkle, you are not to return to Equestria until you have made amends with her.” Twilight felt the princess’ magic flow into her and the geas wrapped itself around her spine and the animal part of her hind-brain. Once she crossed the border, she would not be able to come home until the conditions were met. Unlike mental manipulation, the geas would make her weak and feel ill if she tried to come home before making amends with Cadance.
Celestia stood and let the glow fade away before turning toward the door. “I hope you put all of your study of friendship to use, Twilight. I do not wish to lose another pupil to the idea that she is above my advice.”
Twilight flinched when she heard the door close softly. She lay there in silence and stared at the wall, her mind devouring itself. Why did she do the things she did? Was something wrong with her? Why couldn’t she leave well enough alone? Why would she do something so colossally stupid? Was something wrong with her? How could she betray the trust and privacy of the two most important ponies in her life?
Was something wrong with her?
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Celestia is a bit of a bitch here. That geas is rather insulting and, really, 'Cadence might randomly become Nightmare Wet Dream' is something a Princess of Equestria should just be told.
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Celestia rarely displays anger in the show, and for her to outright threaten Twilight for something she was aware was gnawing at Twilight seems even worse than her portrayal in the season 2 finale (gosh I hated that episode)
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Complaints about Celestia aside, glad to see this continued. Looking forward to the confrontation.
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The geas is perfectly appropriate, Twilight has repeatedly demonstrated that she lacks any self-control. Hell, she even got off lightly. What else could Celestia have done, ask Twilight not to betray her trust again?
Another amazing chapter. It seems Cadiance is getting worse.... And twilight a going to see her.. Ya this will not end well.
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The geas is far from appropriate, and is in fact my biggest problem with this chapter. What Twilight did would earn a stern talking to at best, along with letting Cadance know. Twilight had the right to look through those files (as a princess, whether it was right or not) and Celestia had to have known that Twilight's curiosity would get the better of her. And really, after the debacle with the Changelings, you'd think letting Equestria's newest princess (who has often been called on to defend the realm) know that one of her peers will sometimes go uncontrollable with lust and infects ponies around her with said lust.
I do enjoy this story, but even when it was part of the collab this chapter rubbed me the wrong way, precisely because of Celestia's heavy handed judgement. Really, I would have liked to see Twilight bite back at her, maybe mention something about how her trust had been betrayed back during the whole wedding fiasco?
Ah well. Looking forward to the next chapter :)
That geas...man is that stupid. It is supremely dangerous for Celestia to essentially exile a fellow princess of Equestria, from Equestria until conditions that she doesn't have complete control over are met. What if Cadance can't forgive Twilight? Or doesn't allow Twilight to forgive her? Or given Cadence's mental state atm, she runs away? or something else outside of Twilight's control? There are known forces out there that would love to kill or capture Twilight. This is ridiculous.
And lets face it, Twilight isn't amoral. She knows she did wrong. She let her personal flaws lead her into doing the wrong thing, but those flaws no longer apply here and Twilight's personality would probably have led her to making up with Cadance without this geas bullshit anyway.
Seriously, that one part just ruined this chapter for me.
Edit: now that I think about it, that geas thing is even more bullshit than I thought. Not only does Celestia do this to Twilight, a supposed equal, but she does it with seemingly no oversight. Can she do this to everyone? Whenever she wants? Fuck, that is evil. If not, then how is she able to do it to Twilight, here, without so much as a discussion.
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Except the geas has nothing to do with that. It keeps her from re-entering Equestria until she makes up with Cadance, not stop her from betraying Celestia or force a level of self control.
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Presumably Celestia can lift the geas at will. And I wouldn't think of Celestia and Twilight as being equals, not even on paper: one has millennia of experience, the other doesn't.
The rest of your criticism holds water, though.
Come to think, doesn't this story description mention the fact that Twilight has something wrong going on with her, but nobody knows about it?
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That's not the problem, the problem is that she can cast them at will at all. What's to stop her from casting it on a political opponent? Or entire crowds? Hell, Twilight's entire personality could have been shaped by a consecutive series of geas' that she was forced to forget. It's not likely, but the fact that its possible is my problem.
But that's literally what titles are, a recognition on paper that two people are equal. Titles don't take experience into consideration. If you have two dukes, one may be more powerful politically or economically and use that power to his advantage, but on paper, one is not duke-ier than the other.
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So, a Doctor of Medicine and a Doctor of Philosophy are the same? They are treated the same, they are paid the same, and people think of them in the same way?
And most importantly, if your appendix burst, you'd feel comfortable in either one's hands?
Twilight's political influence, in-show, comes only from the fact that she's third in line for throne. We've never seen her administrating the realm, we've never seen her draft any laws, we've never seen her exercising judicial authority.
And yet she and Celestia are supposed to be equals? :-/
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And Twilight can cast mind-magic that makes an entire town riot over a doll, and has gotten next to no punishment for it.
And Cadance can and has influenced the love life of others with mind magic to a degree that is not explored in-show, but which can easily be taken to be alarming.
Equestria as a whole seems irresponsibly lenient with mind-magic; and the idea that Celestia is a master manipulator who influences everyone around with it is certainly possible.
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That metaphor doesn't work because I was specifically referring to royal titles (sorry, should have specified). Duke of X and Duke of Y are still both dukes. Even still, its not "doctor" of medicine and "doctor" of philosophy, so the titles are not equal and thus not what I was talking about.
I'm not saying their equal either, but on paper? legally? Yes, yes they are. Just because Twilight never uses any of that power doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
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Very well, but the duke of X can afford much better representation that the Duke of Y. And the Duke of Y has no allies who are willing to promote his drafts for a new law.---
It has just now occurred to me that we are simply arguing over definitions, and are speaking over each other; we are essentially answering different questions.
This part of a sequence explains the error we're making pretty well, I think: I'm answering whether Twilight and Celestia have the same amount of influence, you're answering whether the title they have is the same.
Neither of us is answering whether Celestia should treat Twilight as her equal, because each of us is trying to sneak in our preferred answer through a definition.
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Fair point, I'll try and clear my point up then.
I was never ever arguing that Celestia is totally equal to Twilight. My point was, that there was no legal oversight to Celestia casting the geas on her, that there was no legal ramification or process to cast a spell on someone who is, on paper, her equal. Getting past the dubious nature of the geas, if it existed, I don't doubt she probably has the authority to cast it on almost anybody, but NOT ponies who are her legal equals, just like I cant imagine Celestia just yelling orders at Luna and her being legally required to obey them, She might obey them because her sister is wiser than her and probably knows what shes doing, but not because of a legal obligation.
Edit: to continue my duke analogy. Duke of X may capitulate to Duke of Y, but thats because he realises its the smart thing to do. Peasant A HAS to obey Duke of X
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In that case, yeah, Celestia is overreaching herself and be doing something legally and morally* wrong. On the other hand, Luna was subject to a pretty huge brute-force personality change**, and the perpetrators never faced legal charges for it.
Frankly, I think that mind magic is completely unregulated in Equestria-which is madness! Dangerous, dangerous madness! And it may actually be in such a state in order to make things easier for those at the top.
*two very different things.
**Which depends on whether Nightmare Moon was a force possessing her, a mental illness of Luna, or Luna deliberately deciding to act in a certain way.
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It's probably not unregulated, it's just the only samples we have are all ponies who have access to the restricted parts of the Canterlots library.
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Except that's completely false, especially as regards noble titles. Just look at any book describing the list of privileges and order of precedence of British nobility. No dukes are equal because literally every member of the high nobility hold subsidiary titles, they are ranked by the number and importance of all titles they hold - this is why you need 3 pages to list all the titles of the reigning monarch.
Compare the Duke of Cornwall, a title traditionally granted to the eldest child of the reigning monarch
His Royal Highness The Prince Charles Philip Arthur George, Prince of Wales and Earl of Chester, Duke of Cornwall, Duke of Rothesay, Earl of Carrick, Baron of Renfrew, Lord of the Isles, Prince and Great Steward of Scotland, Royal Knight Companion of the Most Noble Order of the Garter, Extra Knight of the Most Ancient and Most Noble Order of the Thistle, Grand Master and Principal Knight Grand Cross of the Most Honourable Order of the Bath, Member of the Order of Merit, Knight of the Order of Australia, Companion of the Queen's Service Order, Royal Chief Grand Companion of the Order of Logohu, Member of Her Majesty's Most Honourable Privy Council, Member of the Queen's Privy Council for Canada, Aide-de-Camp to Her Majesty
with the other prince
His Royal Highness Prince William Arthur Philip Louis, Duke of Cambridge, Earl of Strathearn, Baron Carrickfergus, Royal Knight Companion of the Most Noble Order of the Garter, Knight of the Most Ancient and Most Noble Order of the Thistle, Personal Aide-de-Camp to Her Majesty The Queen
with the Duke of of Norfolk who is also
Earl of Arundel, Earl of Surrey, Earl of Norfolk, Baron Beaumont, Baron Maltravers, Baron FitzAlan, Baron Clun, Baron Oswaldestre, Baron Howard of Glossop.
Guess who gets to sit closest to the Queen.
The feudal system is the quintessential example of a hierarchical system: there are no equals and everyone owes allegiance to the lord above him all the way up to the monarch, who is supposedly God's chosen on Earth (divine right of kings and all that drivel).
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I meant unregulated in the sense "what happens when X uses mind magic on Y": as far as we've seen, the rulings have always been ad-hoc and on the spot.
You're a good man, Shining Armor.
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But that's not what I'm arguing
If a duke with a whole bunch subsidiary titles orders a duke without subsidiary titles to do something, the second duke may be required to do them, but not because the first dukes...for lake of a better term, duke-ness is higher. all the subsidiary titles in the world don't change the definition of a duke on paper.
4 is equal to 4.
4 is not equal to 4+1+1+1+1 but all those additional ones don't fundamentally change the value of 4, do they? They just add to it.
That is what I'm trying to get at, you can add and subtract titles of varying power all you want, but equal titles proffer equal power. The fact that subsidiary titles exist PROVES that, since the only difference between those Dukes you mentioned were titles OTHER THAN DUKE, because if they were all just Dukes, they would all be equal.
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I love this series, and if we can accept an AU where Cadance has mindrape powers that cause mysterious spikes in the local birthrate, then I can accept a slightly more tyrant-y Celestia too. The geas is the major squick factor here, though. For me, it's not that Celestia has or uses that power, it's the particular geas she lays on Twilight. Celestia knows what Cadance's problem is and she knowingly and willingly sends Twilight straight into the lion's den. Effectively she's told Twilight "go and bend over until Cadance has raped you into a sufficient apology."
If Celestia could channel Zecora, she'd have said:
"Take this letter to Cadance, and then make amends.
It will probably involve both your front and rear ends."
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This comment... G, I am laughing far too hard at that. The whole discussion brings a smile to my face because it means I've gotten readers to think about what I'm presenting. But it paints a pretty clear image on what I need to make clear in the following chapters.
Celestia felt off in this chapter IMO, like she has another picture of the situation than what i expected; i kinda feel like if anyone should have an inkling of Twilight's "problem", it would be her, and yet she takes what is close to the worst possible action - it does drive the story though i guess.
Edit: Twilight wasn't doing anything illegal, so i don't see why there's a "leak" and why Cadence strictly have too be told about it by law, neither should Celestia have the right to cast a geas on Twilight, or punish her in any way; i can see why she would want to have Twilight make "amends", but a lot of things just feels wrong...
Is that an addition/edit from the prompt fic? I don't remember reading that in the other fic.
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Yep. Among other minor additions here and there. All the chapters that were originally posted to the prompt collab have been minorly tweaked and edited.
Fuzzy my pony I freaking love this fic.
I feel somewhat sorry for Celestia here if things go like people think they will. I mean I can sorta see what she's trying to accomplish (if in heavy hoofed manner) but if Cadance does loose control and force herself upon Twilight, than Celestia's the one that going to be left handling the fallout and holding a good bit of guilt for what happened.
I suppose the "forgive me" cliche was inevitable, but I`ve hoped for a different answer from Twilight. Something to the tune of... this.
"Why? Because, well... I`ve learned not to trust you, princess. You don`t lie if you can help it, but you are a master of withholding information. Sometimes, it`s for my benefit. Sometimes, it`s to urge on my curiosity. Sometimes, it`s to cover up the fact you don`t know yourself. I`ve seen it often enough to know your order not to inquire into something means absolutely nothing consistent... but I could never figure out which case it would be without looking into what you told me not to look into. It would be easier if you explained things, but you never do. So, yeah... my modus operandi is to look into everything you try to keep me out of, because that`s what brings the most net gain in the end. Besides, you have to admit - Cadence would never tell me anything truthful about it. She`d lie through her teeth to get me to drop it, however, and I`d learn not to trust one more princess that day. I`d quite prefer to omit that, if you don`t mind. Once with you was more then enough."
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Well damn...now I wish I'd written that.
That is a one way it certainly could have gone, but I wanted to draw out that Twilight cannot leave well enough alone. Her curiosity is so strong at times it forces her to make bad choices. She still respects Celestia more than just about anyone else, so going against her request and prying into something she has been told to drop, hurts Twilight. Even though she couldn't stop herself.
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While that may be right, it would be good to expand on WHY Twilight can not leave well enough alone.
Also, Celestia placing geases on ponies? Kind of a slippery slope, there.
P.S. If you like the idea, you`re welcome to it. Anything I say is entirely free to use by anyone who thinks they can do good with it.
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Canon holds it was an external force possessing Luna.
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Eehh, it's ambiguous.
Well, actually no, it isn't, but there's enough wiggle room that both versions could be present in different stories without either of them needing the "alternate universe" tag; personally, I think that it's at the author's discretion
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It is ambiguous enough for an author to ultimately decide, though between the Plundervine episode and the comics it's pretty clear to me what the Canon stance on it is, even if it isn't explicitly stated.
Obligatory disclaimer: This does not mean that I would go around criticizing authors who want to exploit that ambiguity.
Speculation / potential spoilers as there may be a pattern here that hasn't been commented on:
One wants love. She needs love. Even if spreading this desire would consume her and those she cares about.
One wants knowledge. She has to know. Even if it means breaking the trust of her closest friends to learn.
One wants her art appreciated. She needs them to see its beauty. Even if turning into a Nightmare to force it.
One wants to rule. She needs to be Princess. Even if placing a geas on her most faithful so she follows 'advice'.
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Ok, so not only do you decide to necro, but with just an absolutely incorrect reply. None of those titles you listed are the same. Hell, it's written right there in front of you. Captain in the air force, Captain in the Navy, President of the USA President of Columbia. Those are not the same titles. They are titles from entirely different systems that just happen to be named the same. If you had two Captains in the air force, then they have the same authority. That is why when conflicts happen, they have to resort to secondary attributes other than title, like how long the person has been a captain.
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I downvoted your posts because you were necroposting. Do you know what kind of person does that? The kind who finds a 6 month old, long finished argument and just cant help but give their two cents. I downvoted you, just like I downvote people who comment 'first' or in a large font, or with lots of colours or emoji, because you deserve it.
Let me ask you something. If you came up to someone and tried to continue an argument they had had with someone else, that had finished six months ago would you really be surprised if they got annoyed with you? It's basic commenting etiquette. Don't say or do anything you wouldn't do in person.
And while I'm at it, don't give me that "I gave my opinion and then I moved on with my life" bullshit. If you're going to contribute to a discussion, you should at least have the common decency and intellectual honesty to give equal weight to your opponents response, not just drop your ill-thought out opinion and then just walk away. If you don't care about my response, when commenting on my discussion, why the fuck should I, or anyone else, care about yours?
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How can you still not get it when I just explained it to you? My downvoting had nothing to do with the content of the comment. Hell, you could have been right and I still would have downvoted you. As I said, fairly clearly, I downvoted your posts because they were necroposts, both of them. Just because one wasn't aimed at me, doesn't mean it wasn't poor form. That's why I only downvoted those posts, and not subsequent ones no matter how irritating I find you, because those two were the offending ones.
For fuck sake, let me clear it up, because apparently I wasn't clear. Tell me, if you went up to someone you didn't really know, and they were talking with someone about something completely different, completely separate from you, but you remember overhearing a conversation they had 6 months ago, would you honestly go:
"Hey remember that thing you said six months ago well here's my opinion on it ok bye!"
and then flouncing the fuck away? If you did, would you honestly be surprised if they weren't annoyed. If so, then congratulations, you have the social etiquette of a recluse.
Really? Maybe I just hang out with a better quality of friends. Or maybe you really are like this in real life and like attracts like. Call backs among friends or family, sure that I get, but that's a whole different issue than doing it to a stranger.
And here, here is where you show your true colours, you conceited self-obsessed asshole. When you made that comment, you knew I would see it, FIMfiction has a notification system. You just didn't want me to response, because you didn't care about my response. You commented because you had an opinion that you just had to share. You knew you were necroposting but you did it anyway to make yourself feel better. And then once you had, and you'd made yourself feel better, you no longer cared. See, that's why I said it's intellectually dishonest. What you did, was essentially say that your opinion deserves to be heard and considered by your opponent, but their counterpoint doesn't deserve to be heard or considered by you. When you do what you did, you don't enter the conversation on equal grounds and it's unfair on the person you're talking to. Why should I, or anyone, have to listen to what you have to say if you wouldn't do us the courtesy of doing the same? You are tacitly implying that your opinion is important but no one else's is. It's also incredibly hypocritical. So you get to voice your opinion for peace of mind, but others don't?
And me going on a tantrum about all this?
No
My first post to you was a one sentence comment about how you were necroing, and then a reply to your argument. You were the one who then had to go after me for, rightfully, downvoting necroposts, and then spectacularly misunderstanding what you did wrong. This could have all ended after my first comment if you had even the slightest bit of social awareness on the issue.
You know what? I'm done. My last two comments have essentially been the same as I struggle to explain to you what you did wrong, and I'm getting bored. Now, I'm not going to do what you did, however. Feel free to respond the post if you really feel the need to, and I'll even read the post, and formulate an opinion about it, but I'll keep it to myself.
Because I'm capable of that.
Goodbye.
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Hey, I've got no problem with you, your opinion or with people sharing their opinions in general. Yes, this whole argument started when Xelos got upset that I downvoted him for necroing, but honestly, a majority of the past comments have revolved around more the idea of why he was necroing in the first place, and it bothered me a lot. Ok, true, I have been more than a little grouchy throughout this whole thing, I give you that. It's like, when someone starts a conversation off on the wrong foot straight away, it can be hard to be civil. Still, you're right, I can see a went I little overboard...and wordy.
Anyway, to summarise a longer post that I trimmed cause you probably don't want to read it all:
My position is "keep your opinion to yourself if you expect the person you're talking to to keep his"
Sigh, still no update.
Oh well, time to read from the start again. I need my pink princess fix, and this is one of the better ones. Hint hint
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I know it's no excuse for not updating, but I've been busy. Chemistry is on my 'high priority' list of fics though, and should get the attention it deserves soonish.
Here's a little snip-it of She Drives Me Crazy(Fine Young Cannibles;1989)
It's currently sitting at just over 1300 words, but if it ends up where I expect, the chapter should be close to 3K words