"Small vent" Debunked · 1:04am Nov 10th, 2021
Well, I'm here again with a debunk of Mykan...
...Sorry, force of habit.
That's right. This debunk has absolutely nothing to do with Mykan. Don't worry though, I'm sure he'll make it about himself somehow. No, this debunk is of a forum thread in a group on this site. There are 3 kinds of haters of MLP G4 (and I know that the fact that I specifically refer to it as G4 will get under the skin of those who fall under today's topic).
The first and most obvious group of haters are the anti-bronies. And I'm sure that you all know by now about someone on this site who's infamous for being an anti-brony.
The second group is in fact a subset of anti-bronies that are even worse than anti-bronies like Mykan. At least Mykan is honest about his hatred for MLP. This subset of anti-bronies aren't even honest enough to admit that they hate MLP. These anti-bronies honestly believe that they're fans of the show. But they almost always misrepresent the show and they're only fans of the first three seasons, before Twilight's ascension. Some are even more extreme and only consider the first two seasons canon, or in some cases, just the first season, often claiming that everything after Lauren Faust left the show is not canon. This subset of anti-bronies I will dub as "faux-bronies".
The third group is the topic for this debunk and is an interesting group. They don't hate MLP G4, they just hate Season 9. Anti-fandoms are some of the most toxic categories there are. But you don't have to hate a series to be toxic. Extremist fans are just as toxic as anti-fans. To be more specific, this topic addresses a subset of extremist fans. Extremists, in general, are toxic because they defend the show as if it's perfection incarnate, and if you don't like the show, or even just indifferent to it because you don't watch it, they say you're the worst people to possibly exist. Extremists can also come in the form of people who don't attack those who don't like the show but will attack certain choices the show makes, the most common being the choice to end the show.
I am here to address those "ender-haters". Specifically, I will address the Small vent thread from the group known as Save My Little Pony. So this is "Small vent" Debunked.
I suppose the best place to start is at the beginning. And in a forum post like this, the beginning would be the first post. And the first post, and by extension, the starter of the thread, is also the admin of the group, Mixmaster226
It seems there are a lot of G5, Season 9 and post-Season 9 stories popping up on this site like weeds or tumors as of late.
You say that as if it's something to be surprised about. I'll bet that you didn't know that there are G5 stories that date all the way back to January 2021. And that only accounts for stories with the G5 tag. And yes, I actually checked. Stories that acted as concepts for G5 aren't new either (though they wouldn't count as canon). Season 9 stories are as old as Season 9 itself. As for post-Season 9, you do realize that that can apply to the Season 10 comics, right? I'm sure there are fanfics about them. And G5 would also technically fall under the category of post-Season 9. As for stories that take place chronologically after Season 9, I'm pretty sure that they can be dated all the way back to Season 1, or at least before Twilight's ascension.
But I know what you mean. You're specifically referring to stories that take the Epilogue episode into account. So what's your point? I'm working on a post-Season 9 story myself.
I would say it didn’t bother me or make me shake my head in disgust, but that would be a lie.
I doubt anyone thought that you would've thought otherwise. The fact that you're pointing this out is because you actively have the intent of being malicious. I could say I believe that you are ignorant of the malicious intent of saying something like that, but that would be a lie.
If I could make them all disappear, I would.
Why? Because you personally don't like them? You mentioned how they're popping up like weeds. I agree. But when you made the comparison to tumors, that's when you have to look in a mirror for a proper comparison.
Sadly, even a copyright ban on the original Season 9, should we get it revised, probably wouldn’t make that happen.
I'm not exactly sure what a copyright "ban" is. But you're right, it wouldn't happen. Because it doesn't matter how you change copyright laws. Fanfics are protected under the Fair Use doctrine. And you can't change copyright laws for Season 9 that wouldn't apply to the whole show, and by extension, every single form of copyrighted material in existence.
Then again, do you really think you can get it revised? You are part of a niche group within a niche fandom within one of many forms of entertainment. If it were put up to a vote for that law to be revised, you're not just fighting a losing battle. You've already lost.
At least the content these stories are rooted in would not longer be canon.
How did you come to that conclusion? It doesn't matter what you do to copyright laws. Absolutely nothing you can do to the laws would change whether Season 9 is canon or not. Because you'd have to make Hasbro retcon Season 9 in order to do so. Just changing copyright laws isn't enough to get rid of what's already established.
Now for some comments from the Peanut Gallery, AKA Stormspark.
G5 is just whatever at this point, I ignore it.
That's a lie. If people actually thought like that, groups like Save My Little Pony wouldn't exist. If you just ignored it, do you know how many people would care whatsoever? None. Zero. Zilch. Nada. Literally, nobody would care if you just ignored it. You are under absolutely no obligation to pay any attention to G5.
It has nothing to do with FIM and is its own universe, regardless of what the executives claim the "backstory" is.
G5 has nothing to do with G4 because it is its own thing. It doesn't mean that they aren't in the same universe. You saying G5 isn't in the same universe as G4 is the same as saying Torchwood isn't in the same universe as Doctor Who.
I've always said that I WILL NOT be part of any fandom, or group, that accepts S9.
You know, it's bizarre when a faux-brony admits to being a faux-brony while still claiming to be a fan. Then again, he does have a blatant misunderstanding of the terminology used. But I'll get to that later.
I will take part in a subset of the fandom, only if one of the pillars of it is OPENLY rejecting the events of the main arc of S9 and the 'ending' presented.
Nobody says you have to like Season 9 or the ending. If you want to rewrite Season 9, go ahead and do so. That's what fanfics are for after all. You can reject as much of it as you want with two exceptions. You have to accept that it was made, and you have to accept that it's canon. If you want to rewrite Season 9, I welcome it. It could make for a good "what-if" scenario that could make for a good story to read.
Going back and looking at the Twilicorn 'controversy', it really wasn't that bad.
The problem with this argument is that you aren't looking at what it was at the time, you're looking at what it is now. You're looking at how it has died down since then.
It was mostly worry that it would change Twilight or change the show, and it really didn't.
For the most part, you're right. What you're ignoring is that the change that did happen was acceptable in the long run. There was a change in status quo. But you're right in the fact that a change in status quo doesn't equate to a change in personality. The irony is that people have been writing fanfics about Twilight as an alicorn long before she became an alicorn in canon, and body had any issues with them. That's why the "Twilicorn contraversy" was stupid.
Twilight got some new authority, but it didn't change her as a person.
Exactly. So how is Season 9 any different?
I can have a civil debate with someone who doesn't like the idea of Twilight becoming an alicorn...I don't feel that I'm not in the same fandom as them because we disagree (I'm fine with that).
I'm sure there are. There were also people who specifically hated the idea of Twilight becoming an alicorn that you couldn't have a civil debate with. Do you know how I know this? They still exist today. Then again, I wouldn't call them as being part of the same fandom, seeing as they are the faux-bronies I mentioned earlier. Back before a specific episode happened, I could have a civil debate with someone who preferred the name Ditzy Do over Derpy Hooves. And I was the one who was in the right since before Season 2, her canon name was in fact Ditzy Do. The show adopted the name Derpy Hooves because of the fans. Then retconned that name and later it became Muffins.
I have NEVER been able to have a civil debate with someone about S9, unless they already don't like it and are "on the fence" about openly rejecting it (a lot of people don't seem to realize they can do that).
That's either a lie, you simply haven't spoken to the right people, or the right people haven't spoken to you because you're toxic. Also, if someone is on the fence, it's about whether they like it or not, not whether they think they can openly reject it or not. If so many people thought you couldn't openly reject something, anti-bronies wouldn't exist. Then again, maybe that's why faux-bronies exist. The thing about people who are on the fence about a topic like this is that they believe in a false dichotomy. There is a third option, and that's indifference. If someone doesn't hate Season 9 enough to openly reject it, then they fall under the category of indifferent.
As far as people that claim to "like" the "ending"...I'm sorry but I don't know anything else to say, other than that WE ARE NOT FANS OF THE SAME THING.
Are you a fan of G4? If so, then yes we are fans of the same thing. We just disagree on the topic of a single season. If we are not fans of the same thing, then you are a faux-brony.
This is why I no longer consider myself part of the "general" fandom, because they are not fans of the same thing I am, so we have nothing in common.
Remember what I said earlier about terminology? This is what I meant. If you are part of a fandom in any way, you are part of the general fandom. I can grant that you can be a fan of something without actually being part of the fandom. But you can't be a fan of something and say that you are not a fan of what that fandom is a fan of.
The thing about a generalization is that it takes a majority opinion and applies it to the whole. But if you don't agree with the majority, it doesn't mean you're not part of the whole. Shows don't have multiple fandoms with differing opinions. A show has a single fandom with separate groups within it with differing opinions.
I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming that you just have a misunderstanding of the terminology. I'm giving you that benefit of the doubt in order to avoid actually assuming you're a faux-brony. Please don't prove me wrong.
So that's it. An odd group of haters that are more about being purists than anything else. I'll update if the thread does. But seeing how little traffic it gets, I doubt that'll be an issue.
Your Changeling Lord King Cocoon has spoken.
Precisely. A lot of people who make this argument muddle up the meanings of the words 'setting' and 'universe'.
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I know. I don't know if you've heard of those series, but it's like the Shannara books and their relationship to the prequel books. They are different settings but the same universe. Or the different variations of Star Trek. Or Classic and Modern Doctor Who.
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I'm very familiar with Dr. Who (I'm still a sort-of Whovian), and there the constant change is part of the appeal. The Doctor's character and appearance may change, but underneath they're still the same person-just different facets of the same personality, as I believe the 6th Doctor put it.