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It wasn’t trying to teach you a lesson it was trying to tell you a story
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And it did so with a perfect blend of writing, directing and decent actors.
And the funny thing is they know they mess up the movies so bad that they’re now saying the last three movies are alternate timeline.
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They wrote themselves into a corner and they don’t know where to take the movies next so they might be restarting it and none of the toys are selling.
Rogue One was good, and it was Disney.
Barring the Uncanny Valley CG for Grand Moff Tarkin and Princess Leia, the whole movie felt like the original trilogy.
Solo was... fine. Better than Episodes I and II, and a lot of fun, but it really didn't NEED to exist.
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Really?!
Thank FUCK! The sequel trilogy is such a hot mess!
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Rogue one was a shot for shot almost perfect remake of the new Hope there isactually videos that compare every scene of both movies telling you why it feels like old Star Wars they just copy and paste the same story change the names of who does what
I honestly thought when I heard Disney had bought Star Wars I thought they were going to tell the story from the beginning like how they first discovered the force how the Sith in the Jedi came to be starting from so far away back if they had pretty much complete freedom to do what they want
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I don't see it.
The Force Awakens was a rehash of A New Hope, for certain.
Rogue One had the ball to go for the darker ending of having all the characters we'd gotten attached to from it die in the end.
And there is no scene in A New Hope that comes even remotely close to showing just how intimidating Darth Vader is than that corridor scene at the end of Rogue One.
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True from the way it looks it’s like whoever wrote the stories didn’t know anything about Star Wars they Did not read none of the books or the Comic And then someone told them what the last six movies were about instead of watching it themselves
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A big part of that is because upon Disney buying it, everything that was not an Episode or part of the Clone Wars cartoon was declared non-canon.
Force Unleashed? Nope, no apprentice for Vader.
Spin-off books? Nope, we're doing our own.
Unfinished game projects that looked awesome and would have probably appealed to the majority of the fanbase? Can it and let EA go profiteering with butchered remakes of previous games that were brilliant.
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Either way, love or hate Rogue One, there are two things that you can't deny:
K-2SO is the best droid in any of the movies.
The corridor scene with Vader was EPIC.
George had people willing to tell him when his ideas were idiotic. By the time of the prequels, he didn't have that anymore because he was a Big Name.
The fact in the original movies that they made were not purposely stuffed full of new toy-able things all the damn time helped ALOT. Every 10 minutes in the most resent trilogy has something big and/or interesting enough to be toyed. Hate that. Not to mention the whole midiclorians bs.
The clone wars was fucking awesome
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They were kind of a letdown from what the Clone Wars in the EU books were supposed to be. And by kind of, I mean extremely.
The original Clone Wars were supposed to be about 50-60 years before ANH. The "Clonemasters" were people who figured out how to successfully grow clones extremely fast, like weeks rather than years, and it all came down to the Force. Normally in that setting, a clone will exert pressure on the mind of the original and vice-versa through the Force, so if they matured too fast the clones' minds all broke and the original didn't do so hot either. Using a uniquely-evolved prey creature from the planet Myrkrr which created a Force-blank bubble around itself to hide from predators, the Clonemasters were able to churn out fully grown and fully trained soldiers by the hundreds of thousands to millions every couple weeks.
This is significant because the Clonemasters were a small group vying for conquest that suddenly had a lot of power in their hands without everything needed to create it traditionally. The Old Republic had a constituency of a million planets and untold trillions of citizens; they didn't need some secret hidden cloning facility to raise an army, they had the population to recruit them conventionally. This let the Clonemasters punch way above their weight class, but for the Old Republic it's just "ehhh, okay?" The armor in the movies and cartoon was obviously the "predecessor" to stormtrooper armor along with the implication that all stormtroopers are clones, but the Empire didn't need clones either.
A thing I think a lot of people forget with what a juggernaut the series became, was how lived in, dinged and dirty Star Wars was at the time.
It felt like you were visiting a real place with aliens and strange tech. Like you got a glimpse into a real world where people sometimes had antenna or weird head tentacles, but were still people. With stuff like The Empire's nastiness and Luke's optimism contrasting heavily with that much more real backdrop of flawed worlds trying their best.
I mean, compare and contrast, say, Forbidden Planet, Star Trek or even Babylon 5. You just don't get sand, cracked paint and dust in those movies/series. The futures they tried to paint were interesting, but too clean and slick for old and dinged stuff. Even the ancient artifacts look brand-new, most of the time.
Not that the worse writing helped (god help 'em, because Lucas wasn't exactly a wiz at that part to begin with), but what little I've seen of the DIsney era Star Wars has that same slick and new thing that all sci-fi seems to need to have by law nowadays. And a lot of the soul of Star Wars were in that you actually got to see sci-fi tech stuff AND smelly swamps, light speed jumps AND trash pits. And so on.
The newer movies are just... sterile in comparison. By the numbers.
A sense of continuity between films and actual likable characters?
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Either way the clone wars was awesome you can say I was talking about eu if you wanted
I forgot WHO helped George Lucas make Star Wars, but when that 'Guy' was removed from production after Episode 5 was when S.W. started to Tank.
I am really trying to remember, but in a documentary I remember The idea of Star Wars was Georges idea with some other guy helping make it come out just right.
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Fair enough.
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I saw this in the newest Star Trek series too, Picard. There's just SO MUCH "shiny new amazing tech" everywhere, it overwhelms the actual terrible writing. Every random free apartment in every city has a built-in replicator, there are flying city-sized structures hovering in mid-air, the ridiculous transporter-walkthrough-gates, the pilot-oriented mobile holographic ship interface. TNG did great because it used the tech as the backdrop for the characters, but the newer ones make it impossible to ignore.