Disrespecting Zebras · 10:16pm Sep 22nd, 2017
I used to believe that the most maligned canon creatures in the fandom were the Diamond Dogs and to some extent I still hold that position. But very close, maybe peaking in some cases, are the zebras. And I think that because they get disrespect in the most insidious ways possible.
Did you know that you can, in some sense, weaponize a positive and turn a compliment into an attack that insidiously poisons interactions? Let's avoid the obvious problems by using pure abstractions. X is an identity. Y is some thing. "All X can do/are/are good at Y. It's in their blood." "N is X. N is incapable of Y. Does N = X?" Yes, because X is a simple category, an esoteric label that CAN be objectively known to be true because the base definition is as broad as possible and usually attached to a physical reality. Y was an imposition, typically by those external to X, call them R. R asserts the connection between X and Y, but is not themselves X, or if X asserts the same then they are speaking for members of X that are not them. So then, even if Y is a thing seen as positive like "dances well", "knows style" or "is good at math" it creates a highly unrealistic expectation spread across a broad spectrum of individuals. It means that when R, who imposed the arbitrary Y, meets X, they will be dealing unevenly and interact based on stereotypes only. And X can become mired in existential angst, or at least deep feelings on inadequacy by believing they have somehow let down their whole bloodline. All through the actions of a supposedly "positive" bit of imposition.
That is insidious disrespect. It's the imposition of an external expectation that play at being positive but becomes a kind of trap that makes demands of another group based on, ultimately, stereotypes and nothing more. What stereotypes do the zebras get? That they're evil monsters. They, even more than Diamond Dogs, have become the true blackface stereotype. And they already are an African animal. It's not quite the alt-right but these cloppers and their bevy of sycophantic fans sure are at the very least the alt-s
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Every last zebra OC in recent memory and every zebra story written is some variation on older works I've railed against before, the racist pulp "they're stealing our white women" garbage. "But Gabe! They're the ones in charge! Plus they all dance really well and speak jive!" Yes, we all love positive racism. I didn't just lay out an abstract describing why saying they dominate and brutalize women on racial grounds and are destroying a functional culture like they were the second fuing coming for Creepy McCreeperson the Creepy Creeper Who Creeps is a bad thing. Just the most minor of notes there, in the Equestrian context there was nowhere near the racial friction or history, so their domination has no context or meaning... except for racist readers who understand the dogwhistle and read it as a roman a clef and get exactly what it's all supposed to mean.
Reducing or giving up fetishes is a thing. Yes, with force of will and a moral understanding it's possible to abandon or reduce fetishes. Just for me personally, I actually gave up or sharply reduced fetish content because I realized who I would have to associate with and it disgusted me. Sharply reduced personal production of cuckold work, for example, which used to be something I was good at until I recognized I was in absolutely shy company. I now tend to execrate shemales/futa and sometimes herms because being in their company was a mixed bag, but the biggest and loudest were also the worst. I'm not allowed to name names, but you already know who I mean. I worked out a Viginere cypher of the worst offenders but that seems to skirt the rules. It would do no good to have encrypted names other than as some kind of catharsis. And that's not the point. The point was to express disgust and disbelief that a whole sub-sub-genre has been allowed to fester and grow, overtly racist alt-stists snagging top spots and profiting on their racism. It's bad enough when done with a wholly fictional culture kitted out as a generic "insert minority here" pulp bad guy role. But this racist garbage already infects other places. I like to think we have somewhat loftier aims. But I might be wrong.
First, I wish I could upvote this a million times.
I have been intending to write a Zebra story that flies in the face of all this racist bullshit you describe.
It's also why I describe Zebra civilizations as outside the tribal bullshit continuum - they are more similar to advanced African monarchies like Zimbabwe, Mali, Songhai, Benin, or such, and build cities, write books, speak fluently and not in rhyme, are interested in science, engineering, art, and whatnot.
Admittedly, I tend to put them in opposition to normal ponies but not in the gross sense that the gross white supremacist bronies you describe do so. It's more of an examination of the hostility and racism African people and the African diaspora face from Europeans, with Zebras standing in for Africans + the Diaspora and Equestrians being the European aggressors.
I also like to show Zebras as being more powerful and overwhelming, but this is in a positive light and because I enjoy portraying black people (or their ciphers, in this case) in positions of great power, kinda like how the new Black Panther movie does, to draw a direct parallel. I'm developing an original fiction book that deals with these elements.
The fact that this fandom is so horribly contaminated with alt-right scumbags is a serious contributor to all this racist bullshit you describe, by the way.
When I talk to people about being in this fandom they're all like "Oh, you mean that weird fandom with all the Nazis in it?" now.
I have to rush to assure them that I hate white supremacy, am a person of color, and don't spend hours jerking it to Aryanne the garbo pone.
Some much needed context: I am a black transwoman, so I care a lot about this sort of thing, if you were wondering why I have these ideals.
What did I miss in the last year?
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I knew they existed, but I never realized how pervasive the problem was until I made an off-hand comment about punching Nazis... and was inundated by people fascist-splaining to me that genocidal racists aren't any worse than people who oppose genocide and racism.
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An assortment of nazis and white supremacists took over this fandom and the majority of people basically allowed them.
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Y'all should join my group.
https://www.fimfiction.net/group/211491/the-antifascist-iron-front
We fight against that mess.
*Comes back to fimfic after a few years and sees the fandom has somehow gotten more toxic* I blame the internet :P
I remember when every other day it was a religious argument or some nationalist argument going on here that spiraled out of control. Not surprised that not much has changed, just more craziness. :/ But that seems to be the nature of fandoms and the internet as of late. The greatest rise in extreme ideology in the last 100 years
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Personally I feel that the Zootopia route (I cant think of a better way to describe it) works best. Making things vague and removed from Human society to be able to see things from an outsider's perspective as well as painting both sides with shades of gray. As well as showing that the cycle can only be broken when both sides work together. I always find the tales that point the finger to one side as being too preachy and hurt their own message. Absolutes are for Sith
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And there are good points to that. In a way, I really take the other fellow's suggestion to heart and go the Zootopia route. There are cultural equivalents in a loose sense, in regards to language and culture but without the same history. It's all about some familiarity to help the reader absorb and accept the more alien elements. So the relationship with the zebras, for instance, has never been colonial, but has been implied to be good. And, incidentally, I also used Mali and Zimbabwe and others as a basis for their culture, just in a modern form much like Equestria is like a magically modern pan-Eurasian Enlightenment.
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I had an inkling when I saw the Aryenne pony was actually popular, unironically. I used to think sincerity was always a net good. Nope. It is not. We've got racists making the zebras and Fascists making the caribou. Such a sad time.
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I totally use the Zootopia route, and find it's the best way to go about things.
But I disagree. There are three absolutes. X=X ~(X^~X) Xv~X
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The sad thing is if done right and sparingly they could be fun fetishes. But they are so hammered in that it ruins it and makes it just a haven for certain types of people. Not to say that everyone who enjoys such a thing is a nazi or fascist. That would be unfair and kinkshaming, its just that they gravitate towards these thigns.
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It's why I left certain kinks, as I said. The environment around them is unfathomably toxic and the big wheels are bigger as
I disagree. This does not happen in real adult life the way you imply, unless R is an asshole, or X has no idea how to properly interact with real people. Because in real life, assuming R is a decent enough person (though perhaps biased) and X is not an angsty teenager, such a conversation would go thusly - remembering the most important part here is that you are specifying that Y is a positive value and it is asserted positively!:
You're implying that it would transpire like this:
See... I've been on both sides of this exchange. That's not how it happens, mate. I'm not saying I disagree with the notion that it'd be best if you didn't just apply stereotypes to people, I'm just saying that's not how it happens.
Now, talking about racist tropes in fics is another story entirely.
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I find it hard to believe that nazis would be interested in something that teaches love and tolerance towards all let alone any kind of supremacist.
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I've been poisoned, or embittered - choose whichever you like - from years of dealing with this fandom's bullshit, so I've begun to start displaying the Equestrian ponies as having streaks of racist attitudes in their behavior.
And, really, this is not entirely out of alignment with the show. After all, in the infamous Zecora introductory episode, the Ponyville folk act like typical racist insular white people of the sort we're talking about in Zecora's presence, all hiding from her, pulling their children away and whatnot.
However, I realize it would be boring if I portrayed the Zebras as Universally Good and the Ponies as Universally Evil. Real Life doesn't work that way. Plus, I like my protagonists to be flawed (probably as a reflection on myself and my own flaws). As such, I generally portray my Zebra factions as being warlike, proud, and quick to anger.
As an aside, mirroring actual African history, I usually have my Large Zebra Empires harass and drive off the Tribal zebras. This may just be a reflection on my part of how irritating I find the whole tribal zebra bullshit, as well.
So, I'm planning a fic called ZEBRANOMACHY, which is dog-greek for War of the Zebras. This is the fic I mentioned earlier that will turn everything around where the current racist Zebra stereotypes are invoked currently.
It is intended to explain why Zebrica is so far away and why we don't see a lot of Zebras. It is inspired by a lot of things - global warming, European/African conflict, racism, and Homer's 'Iliad'.
I intended to start the conflict by introducing a young Celestia, who rules over a prototypical early Pony civilization predating Equestria, stylistically similar to Ancient Greece around the time of the Athenian League. Let's call it the Solar League for now.
The Equestrian continent and Zebrica are very close together, mirroring the Athenian League's nearness to the Persian Empire.
Relations between this country and a local Zebra Empire - I've been thinking of calling it The Empire of Great Zebrabwe - are poor. The Zebras of the Zebrabwe Empire have heard that the ponies think them backwards and inferior, and are contemptuous of the Solar League. As such, there have been low-level conflicts between the two nations.
Celestia, in her youth and arrogance, brings the sun too close to the Equestrian planet.
This enrages her Zebra Goddess counterpart - Pacifica, the Zebra Goddess who governs the oceans. So Pacifica becomes feverish and furious and calls upon her male consort, Atlas, the Zebra God of the 'Earth' . Atlas is unwilling to fight at first, and prophecies correctly that they are about to make a mistake and that they will certainly fail.
They both go to the Great Zebrabwe Empire and command the Empress to initiate a Holy War - a Jihad, if you will (I enjoy patterning my Zebra civilizations after the Muslim-flavored Northern African civilizations. I started doing this ever since I saw Zecora wearing what looks like a Niqab in her first outing). The Empress and her Great Council are thirsty to prove their might against Celestia and the Solar League, so they need no further urging and immediately make ready to launch a huge War Fleet against Celestia.
They lose, of course, because I intended to adhere to the show's status quo and return everything to normal at the end, which explains why Zebrica is now so far away and why we don't see many Zebras around anymore. This isn't really a spoiler because it is established that they were never supposed to win in the first place. However, for a while the Empire stretches across Celestia's territory and it seems as if certain victory is in the grasp of the Zebra Empress.
They do not destroy Celestia's territory like the OP describes in some of the Zebra Conquering Fics. The Zebra Empress is shown to genuinely want Celestia's ponies to change their allegiance and love her instead, and she tries to cozen them by building new cities, roads, machinery, temples, libraries, and such on Celestia's soil in the hopes that she would win their hearts and minds. A lot of emphasis is placed on how the Zebra Empress and her allies are acting out of a misguided attempt to prove that they are worthy of being respected and loved, though their actions work against them. It's very tragic.
As you can see in this fic, nobody is really in the right. It's a tragedy at heart, just like the Iliad.
I am currently working on a fic that contains an indictment of many negative things in this fandom. One of the major villains is a blonde, white-coated Unicorn who is hideously racist, rich, and powerful, owner of a vast and overwhelmingly influential corporation, and seeks to destroy the order of the Equestrian nation. She is not portrayed in a sympathetic light. You are supposed to hate her with every fiber of your being in this fic.
Does she sound familiar to you at all? Yes, she's a mirror image of Aryanne, but I am sure she probably also reminds you all of someone else.
I have my own Zebra OC, a space marine-type Zebra mare who is not entirely dissimilar to Tracer from Overwatch (I invented her before Overwatch came out, amusingly - she was patterned after Tali from Mass Effect and even wears a futuristic Hijab and space suit. She served in the Royal Equestrian Space Navy until becoming disillusioned with her lot in life and began to deeply dislike Equestrian society, which may or may not mirror my own trajectory in this fandom), and the OCs of a few friends fighting against her, but, again, they aren't portrayed as legendary heroes who are totally good. A Manehattan news channel outright refers to my OC and the OCs of my friends as Dangerous Terrorists.
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Ah, but you don't get it.
The Nazis don't care about ponies.
What they care about is recruiting young, directionless, easily influenced white male teenagers into their ranks.
And this fandom is ripe with people like that. It's like you went into a big sandwich shop and everything inside was free. Wouldn't you want to take all the sandwiches?
They're not interested in the ponies. The ponies are just a means to an end for them.
So they normalize fascism and nazi ideology. They dangle cute nazi ponies like Aryanne in front of these kids. They slowly set their hooks in the flesh of these kids.
And that's how you end up with the phenomenon Gabriel and others described. The Nazis now have contaminated this fandom so thoroughly that you can bump into a young brony saying shit like "But the Holocaust didn't really happen!" very easily.
Or they say things about how fighting Fascism makes you the real Nazi and the Real Racist.
The furry fandom has been doing an excellent job of repelling the Nazis in their ranks. They've been getting Nazis banned from their websites and their conventions. We need to do likewise. We need to make it clear that we're not going to put up with this bullshit.
It's either that or we spend the next known ten years being surrounded by edgy young white nazis posting nazi pony memes for the rest of our existence. Do you want that? Does anyone want this?
Let me tell you a story.
Let's say there's this young white male kid called Brad. Brad likes ponies.
Brad is also kind of a loner at school. Other kids beat him up. He can't get a girlfriend. People make fun of him because he likes ponies.
Brad goes online and some Helpful Person on FiMFiction with a Nazi Pony in their profile messages him and says "Hey, kid. Did you know the Jews are making it so that you can't have a Pure White Girlfriend? It's true!"
So Brad starts thinking, "Man, these Nazis ain't so bad after all. Maybe they're right. Maybe the Jews are why my life sucks!"
Score one for the Nazis. Brad is now entirely receptive to Nazi ideology.
That's what we're up against. Hardened, dyed-in-the-wool Nazis infecting young, impressionable, vulnerable kids. We're already losing the battle and on the defensive, as you can see by people's testimonies here about how toxic this fandom is.
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I tend to look at the whole matter in broader terms, more relation to generational definitions and focus on power. I might not be a Marxist, but I'd be an idiot to ignore the operation of organizational power and hierarchical structure in historical and contemporary interactions. That sets up the existential shame, as though a person lacking the imposed quality is lesser, inauthentic or some kind of freak. It's gauche but relevant here, what if someone isn't well hung when it is required by the imposing party and their own group which has internalized the imposition? Are they a fake?
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No I wouldn't take them all because it's pointless to take more food then you can eat because it'll spoil and go bad and become worthless. Just remember you can put any ideology in place of nazis and it'd still be just as bad.
I get it, nazis are bad, but honestly what have actual nazis done in the last 10 years? I have a feeling a lot of people who get labeled nazi nowadays aren't nazis and at the time were just making fun of the nazis or trying to get a rise out of people just for to see how overboard people would react. Considering people are freaking out, marching in the streets crying "da nazis r coming da nazis r coming" is pretty telling that people don't really understand what the National Socialist German Workers' Party was.
It takes a lot more then just having skin of a certain color to make a person a nazi. nazis took over by taking away the peoples ability to defend themselves while making them complacent by running welfare programs for certain groups. They find a target group, normally wealthy and successful, and make them a target of hate and scorn going as far as stripping them of their humanity making any actions taken against them okay in the minds of the people. Cause irrational fear in through the repeated use of lies, spread them far wide and often, the more it's repeated the more believable it becomes. silence those who appose you by any means necessary, anyone who speaks out against the parties rederic is a threat and and must be shut down before they can infect others into seeing the truth.
But here's something I think most people need to do, just step back from everything and look at themselves and what they're doing, then try listening to ALL sides of the argument. Violence leads to more violence, in which everyone gets hurt, and anyone who takes joy in the suffering of others is a very sick person. The only way things will get better is if we stop with all the hate, work to better ourselves and those around us instead of seeking handouts.
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I've been in the furry fandom for many years. We've had our waves of Nazi furs but we seem to weather the storm. Part of it used to be that the fandom skewed older, professional and modestly well-off, as well as having a good male population of gays and bisexuals, who tend to not go in for most rightist come-ons. Today it's still not much of a problem as the disaffected youth discover furries are leftist liberal and thus they can latch on well enough with a welcoming community, there's still a lot of an and bisexual men as a buffer, but also, traditional religion, which is used in a lot of Nazi and other nationalist recruiting, is largely replaced with non-racist Neopaganism (that is, it's mostly eclectic Wiccan stuff rather than Asatru or something) or general spirituality, a kind of Magick deism or pantheism/panentheism. Saying that we do still have problems with rightists, but it tends to be ideological right-libertarians and I know at least one open Randroid.
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There was a webcomic I used to read... years ago, called Elf Only Inn. It took on a lot of Internet issues and some real world ones as well. One of those comics had a very overly open-minded elf woman talking to a dark elf after a previous comic made her think she had been racist. She spent the comic trying to make the dark elf see that both sides had good points but the dark elf kept pointing out that, no, seeing both sides was foolish because the dark elves literally wanted the other side dead or enslaved.
False balance is a logical fallacy, one that I usually expect out of new age woomeisters. The things you mentioned were done on racial grounds and the Nazis you see are the same. Call they whatever you like, but they're not cuddly teddy beats who make little oopsies they're people who want to purify their country, and their purity is narrow indeed. I could try looking for their perspective but I'd have to be born a second time and this time not a minority. Maybe you know, what is the Aryan perspective on non-Aryans?
4676155 I think you're really overthinking this.
You hit the nail on the head, man. I can't exactly tell which 'side' you're on, and that's exactly how it should be. Balance. Yin and yang. These fucking people these days, everyone's either on the far right or the far left. Both are extremisms that we REALLY don't need.
4676158 I like you.
4676161 Are you like... convinced that the world is split into far-leftists like you and Nazis that want everyone else dead? You really need to wake up man. The people that you think are seeking racial purity are probably like a whopping 1% of the American population. I think you need to go and talk to people in the real world - people with DIFFERENT opinions than yours - because your opinions seem skewed because a bunch of trolls on the internet are trolls.
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I wouldn't know because I don't care about race. A person's worth is based on their abilities and their actions, not the color of their skin.
But you have to remember after WW1 germany was in a bad place, being in debt, lacking a work force, so when the time came they targeted the wealthy non germans taking their money land and businesses for the people. But here we are in the 21st century and we have people demanding the government do the same thing. It's like history is repeating itself and people don't even notice it.
Remember there was a time where there was "white only X" and "black only X" then people fought against this segregation and everyone came to together? And what are we doing now? We're demanding segregation once again
. For fucks sake I miss the days where people were encouraged to learn about other people, other nations, and it was a good thing when people would pick up things from other nations. But now it's appropriation and it's wrong, two white women go to mexico and go around talking to people and learning how to make burritos then come home and open a shop that's racist 
cultural exchange is how we learn and accept others, if someone from another nation ends up liking the food of your homeland it's a good thing... sorry about this, but this kinda bs makes me want to bash my head through a brick wall because of how stupid it is.
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When I heard there were a group of black people demanding to be in segregated college dorms... I almost wanted to cry. This is what our country has come to. Thank god Dr King isn't alive to see this shit.
Also, I love how these anti-racist people are just effectively anti-white people. Oh but it's not racist. You can't be racist if you're not white, obviously.
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"Hey! Did someone here say Zebra? I've got a solution!"
I joke, but in truth, it's not the Alt-Right, White Supremacy, or some other racism you should be complaining about, because even I hate that shit, and these groups didn't get popular because of Trump or a comeback for racists. It's the amount of overwhelming Political Correctness, destruction of Free Speech, a cult-like mentality based around Intersectional oppression and Social Justice, and denigration\outright hatred of the White race, men, and heterosexuals in many spaces. We are in a culture war against identity politics on both sides with one side being pushed hard in all school levels, the Hollywood entertainment industry, Silicon Valley, Left wing moral guardians, the corporate news media, and mass hysteria. The other side with the "White Supremacy" is a response to it and a defensive call to action. It's just as evil with the focus on White identity just as much as these Social Justice people focus too much on Black identity, but "Alt-Right" people at least know why they're rising up. (Video below is from a major speaker at the Democratic National Convention and the Executive Director of the Democrat Party of Idaho.)
I see things like the zebra fics as subtle revenge against this authoritarianism and hatred trying to be enforced on everyone. I ignore the fics because I'm also disgusted by the content and it's not my thing (except for the Breeding kinks), but I know why it exists and some people like that too. (The only thing worse is the amount of interracial black male on white female I find on porn sites these days like a lot of them are pushing subliminal messaging. Roleplay sites aren't any better when I'm seeing "breed out the whtie race"\"cuck the white man" profiles a lot more often and the recent popup of "Aryan" RP profiles. Shit is fucking creepy.
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The opposite however is just as awful. With people who think anything that isn't fully Politically Correct should go in the opposite extreme to become FULLY Politically Correct. 4675638 Alsvid is a good example of this. (Especially since she's partnered herself with radical Leftist terrorist group Antifa.) She admits she purposefully tries to make black characters to be near perfect to supposedly fight a stereotype but creates her own stereotype of a morally righteous, can never do anything wrong, all powerful perfect example of a human being. No drama with personal problems, no actual flaws, and no real hardships. As subtle revenge against the 'racist' fics too. Yeah, I'm saying Alsvid is just as racist and isn't any better than the racist zebra fics in this case.
It's the exact same problem with Marvel Comics these days. (Not the Studios, but the Comic side.) EVERY comic book they've put out in the past 3 to 4 years and the many writers and artists they have are the quintessential example of Intersectional\Social Justice activism in action.
Every character you knew from the Marvel Universe is either race or gender swapped now, or both, and they've all been shoved front and center in their product line even though sales are tanking. HARD. Thor's been replaced by a cocky Feminist mouth piece. The Hulk is now Asian and the smartest man in the world who never gets angry and transforms at whim. Ms. Marvel looks like she went through bad transsexual surgery. (No breasts at all, male jawline, manly everything, but still being identified as a "woman".) Captain America has been replaced by a black man in the main comics, made into a Nazi recently, turned back to good in a poorly executed deus ex machine, and gave up his shield to his race swapped replacement in the recent Event. Most of them speak this type of California Hipster language where everything sounds like a sitcom or tween Disney. The writing is awful when the characters start acting like idiots, bipolar, or villains all the time, but we're somehow supposed to still root for them. (Riri "Iron Heart" Williams, who's Iron Man's race\gender swapped replacement, is the best example of this.) And the writers\artists on social media are just outright toxic to their customer base that ANY sane manager would have fired them immediately, but they're protected because they're the right gender, race, and have the right far Left politics. The writers even dox, harass, and threaten people who call them out on their bullshit.
Is it any wonder why the Comic Book industry went from 500K sales on any X-MEN book in the mid-90's, when the cast was much more diverse, to just struggling above 15K issues on the most popular titles these days? (I recommend this guy's entire channel and there is proof in several videos of writers trying to destroy him and trying to incite a cyber mob against his channel because he criticizes their work.)
BTW Alsvid, nobody is going to want to read your fics and comic if it's going to focus on how your 'black' characters are the best Mary Sue's because they're black. And blackity black ya'll.
TL;DR: I agree with you that the 'racist' Zebra fics are stupid as hell and I generally avoid them. They aren't the real problem and the best you should just do is ignore them. They're not hurting anybody and they have their own microscopic subculture you can pass by like furries. They are a symptom of bigger problems though. The 'racist' zebra fics you're complaining about and the 'non-racist' stuff Alsvid wants to make are part of the same exact problem with focusing too much on IDENTITY ISSUES than making good stories or characters based upon personal politics. How about all of you people stop focusing so much on little identifiers, ignore stuff you don't like, and move on? You'll be much happier and make better stuff overall that anybody would like regardless of surface level traits. There's much bigger fish to fry to just a few My Little Pony fan fictions.
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It's refreshing hearing this idea again after being in the thick of people arguing about politics.
Actually... it's pretty sad I feel that way because of how far people have gotten to focus on race or sex these days. 
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I am disinclined to listen to an alt-right white supremacist sock puppet account who registered today, yet displays great familiarity with this site and its inner workings, uses Aryanne memes, Kekistan jargon, and puts up an impassioned defense of neonazis whilst using old and tired canards such as "black people are, like, the real racists, maaaaan!" and "Social Justice people are the Real Nazis!"
The fact that you're painting white supremacy in a sympathetic light as being a natural response to The Jews (as if we don't all see through your dogwhistles about Hollywood and Liberals and Degenerates) is even less convincing.
The victim-blaming nonsense about how the scary social justice warriors caused neonazis and racists to reappear is nothing short of unfettered ignorance on your part.
Go back to /fimpol/ or the League of Common Sense, or whatever alt-right pit you have come from. You aren't going to get very far here.
And your attempts to ingratiate yourself to Squall and Red are hilariously transparent.
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You...you realize you are literally quoting white supremacist rhetoric verbatim, right?
On the other hand, there is a 50% chance you know exactly what you're doing.
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Haha, holy crap, you guys, I just realized something.
The things we described are happening as we speak!
A Helpful Stranger has arrived to tell us about how White People are under attack from (((Jewish Liberal Cultural Warriors)))! Complete with cute Nazi Pony memes and the ever popular ' You ever wonder if, like, black people are the Real racists? Really makes you think!' argument!
The process I outlined in my earlier post is being performed right before your eyes! Amazing!
Actually it's not amazing because it shows how tightly the white supremacists and Nazis have this fandom in their grip.
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The issue in all of this is people who believe that violence is a good answer for "fixing" problems, but only if they are the ones doing the violence. That can easily be seen and "applied" on both sides. Both sides are "virtuous" and "right" to do whatever they do against the other side, but the other side cannot do it!
The modern anarcho communists who call themselves "antifa" are no better then the neo nazis, yet in a reverse of the post WW1 Germany the media has this time sided with the communist instead of the radical right. When the right answer is what the US media were pretty much forced to do recently, denounce both sides for violence. (as far as i saw the cause was antifa attacking some wheelchair bound army veteran as a "fascist" and dragging some woman by her hair around for having a american flag, plus you know the months of looting and violence). But i doubt that will stay that way for long and they will be back to supporting one of two evils sooner or later.
There is a reason communism is by far and wide much much worse and did more evil in the world, and still continues to do so today, it was allowed to not only exist but spread. (understandably in a way since no one wanted another great war but thats still no real excuse).
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And Gabriel, this is exactly what I mean about Politically Correct authoritarians and SJW's. The opposite side of the coin with the Alt-Right and real White Supremacists. Any kind of moderate that calls them out of their bullshit, it almost always de-evolves into what she's spouting right now.
Aaaaaand here we go with a tried and true tactic: Accuse, shame, and deflect. Great start there. I was very suspicious to think you might be another SJW, since you're already displaying typical traits of your cult-like thinking and linking to a terrorist group, but I was right. Obviously because you don't know who I am online and I don't agree or ally with your bullshit, you automatically assume I'm ideologically in the same group as your most hated enemy. "Ohhhh you must be a real Nazi!" Hey, 4676158 , here's another good example for you.
Because it's a joke and I like dark humor. I even laugh at 9/11 jokes. Figures you wouldn't like anything that isn't sanitized PC sitcom humor or being completely autistically serious all the time.
It's a parody of supremacist views and identity politics.
HAHAHAHA! Accusations and deflections, what'd I tell ya?
You and your Antifa group are the real terrorists, don't deny it. The riots, the violence, the beatings, it's all you. You're the ones that start the riots, overwhelmingly throws the first punch in every encounter I've seen, bring every kind of weapon outside of a handgun by hiding them among your poles, bottles of "water", bring shit like pepper spray, shields and body armor among others while dressing up like jack booted thugs. You people are no better than any other terrorist organizations with the only difference being you haven't started using bombs yet.
Just because you say you stand up against "tyranny", doesn't mean you aren't tyrannical and you wouldn't be just as bad or worse than your supposed enemy either. I'm sure if you lot got into power, you'd try to make Soviet America in your crusade for your Social Justice utopia.
And here we have the Projection. Because you can't think about or tolerate other peoples points of views outside your own closed minded sphere, you project onto others the worst parts of humanity you can think of since other peoples opinions contradict your own.
"painting white supremacy in a sympathetic light" show's you're already lying since I've said it over several times that I think they're evil and just as bad as what you are involved in too.
And you're the one that brought up "The Jews", as if they're a real they're a real conspiracy and I never mentioned any racial or religious groups related to them. Aren't you and Antifa the ones being hostile to Jewish people on college campuses because you're angry at Israel?
Tara Strong is best Jew. No, she really is. Her first acting gig was working with a Yiddish theater.
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Since you ignored when I posted a video of a high figure in the Democrat party telling White men to shut up, here's a simple picture comic.
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Oh, so you know about the other shit posting chan site too? Always great for a laugh when you're bored. And League of Common Sense? I never knew about that place since I don't visit places where supposed "alt-right" people congregate. I'm impressed you didn't bring up Storm Front since that's a widely known place for them.
4676169 No Red, 4676210 entirely agrees that the evil White people should be segregated from the delicate and oppressed Black\Person-Of-Colored people to allow them to flourish. To them, White people are just too powerful and need to use their own White
powerprivilege in order to help the poor oppressed people into positions of power and influence.And yes, that's exactly what RationalWiki and Alsvid believe in if you ever ask them to thoroughly deconstruct their mindset on race relations, Intersectionality, White Privilege, and Affirmative Action. This pic shows the end behavior.
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I told you these people were just as bad and as racist as the Alt-Right.
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You mean there are other people here that voice their opinions that don't agree with you, thus you're getting conspiratorial, paranoid, and hysterical that there are White Supremacists\Nazi's\KKK\Alt-Right members here who want to destroy everything you love. Now Als, I want you to calm down and realize not everyone is your enemy. There are no bad guys everywhere and don't want to harm you.
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Nice gish gallop you've got going there, sockpuppet who registered today yet is deeply familiar with this website.
What you are is some tedious alt-right brony who's afraid of Antifascist Action because you're scared you're going to get beaten up for being a white supremacist.
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Why don't you argue points instead of issue threats of violence?
But really have you tried taking a step back and looking at things that are going on?
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While I admire how Very Concerned you are that we might be being mean to these poor, defenseless white supremacists, I'll take a hard pass on that.
I find it funny that White Supremacist Sockpuppet Account is trying to endear themselves to Gabriel, who is a person of color and therefore disinclined to agree with people who would like nothing better than to extinguish them and everyone who looks like them.
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wtf are you talking about?
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You started spewing so much SJW rhetoric and accusations in such a short amount of time that your entire post read like a wailing Tumblr Feminist blog. Everything you said has been debunked and you have no evidence of anything except accusations.
It's nice to confirm you support violence against people you disagree with because of your rampant paranoia of Nazi's being around every corner.
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DennoCoil, who registered today yet knows quite a lot about this website and the people within it.
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Omg it's like you don't need a account to look at this site at all.....
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Here's a thought: why not log into your main account and speak to me there?
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As a Hispanic I like to think of myself as an outsider, and remind myself to see things from a removed perspective. I have seen people on the right use the left as an excuse to do violence and discriminate. BUT I have also seen the Left do the exact same thing. I have seen hypocrisy on all sides and been subject to bigotry and racism form blacks and whites I have been offended and insulted by the right and the left.
Neither side is without sin and the attitudes I see below are part of the problem. Some people on the left have a point about how things are, while some people on the right are also correct about the way there has been some overcorrection and some people feel that if you point it out it automatically labels you as a racist alt right member.
People are gravitating towards the extreme right and the extreme left and that is a part of the problem. Extremism in any form is inherently detrimental to everything. It only leads to fanaticism and fanaticism is in the end self destructive.
I can see both of you down below have good points, but you’re blinded by passion and anger. This eats away at you and eventually turns you into the very same thing you both hate so much.
Ive seen racism and bigotry from both sides, I have also seen hypocrisy and self destructive behavior. There cannot be a cxontinuation of this. Its going to destroy us all, we can only end the cycle we are in if we work together, don't be locked in and led astray. Its only together we can make the world better.
4676266 You really don't understand that people can still use this site without registering accounts, right?
4676261 Just roll with it. SJW's are collectivists. If you're on a website or you have the same opinions as someone else, they think you're friends with the other person. It's how their entire ideology works, by putting people into groups based upon superficial traits like race, gender, politics, etc.
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I support making white supremacists like you afraid again, yeah. I welcome you to belch out another long Gish Gallop about how this is why White Supremacists are really good and nice and a response to "le evil tumblr womz and the blacks".
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Sorry, I had to.
I know what you're getting at, but I don't think I'm the one here who's going crazy.
4676269 And you're still making threats?
You just proved Sneaky right.
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I fail to see how DennoCoil is a white supremacist from what's been said.
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I understand that trolling under alternate accounts, or sockpuppetry, is a very common practice on this website. Furthermore, your typing style is highly familiar.
Getting defensive and angry because your transparent attempt at painting white supremacists as cool and harmless failed isn't going to make me go easier on you, by the way.
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Really?
I invite you to re-read their passionate defense of White Supremacy as a harmless defensive maneuver intended to shelter the embattled white race from the evil SJews.
They are simply repeating alt-right talking points, under the guise of 'just asking questions', and you're falling for it.
4676279 You didn't read the parts where I said they were evil, but I understand where they're coming from. And that somehow makes me a white supremacist. I understood your ideas and the ideas behind them, deconstructed even. Does that make me a paragon of Social Justice and I'm a member of Antifa now?
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Yes. You didn't seriously think I would fall for your transparent "I'm not a racist, but racists have pretty good points" preloading tactics, did you?
Also, sockpuppeting is such a lame tactic.
At least have the guts to confront me with your main account. That's what kills me with your white supremacist rhetoric - one minute you're the bold superior race, next minute you're weak and under attack from the evil sjews.
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It's not wrong. schools media hollywood even silicon valley are all left wing, the media works to put fear into the masses and divide the nation.
Lets do a little thought exercise, say you were to make two twitter accounts. On account A you make a post saying "kill all blacks" and on B saying "kill all whites" which of the following do you think will happen
1. Both accounts will be banned
2. Account A will be banned while B wont
3. Account B will be banned while A wont
4. Neither account will be banned.