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Jan
26th
2016

season 5 end discussion · 4:54am Jan 26th, 2016

[UPDATE - I MADE AN EVEN BIGGER REVELATION THAT BLOWS EVERYTHING I GO INTO HERE OUT OF THE WATER IN A COMMENT BELOW , BE SURE TO READ THAT AFTER READING THIS BLOG]

ok so i guess i might as well get this out of the way already...

first up i already said some stuff about it before making my better season 5 end fic , which you can see in my previous blog
http://www.fimfiction.net/blog/578895/hey-i-have-watchers-that-will-see-this-right-well-how-bout-some-thoughts-on-the-season-final
but i'll be retreading some of it here.....

WHY IT'S SHIT

k so the episode was a total insult to any intelligent life form that would have viewed it , easily the worst episode out of the entire series , it's so bad that that if the producers of this show don't fire the old writers and get some new ones i probably wont be watching the show anymore.....

so what's wrong with it?

well first up is the time travel , but before i get into that i wanna briefly mention the theming that the show has presented with us up to this point.....

also i'll just mention ahead of time that ignoring or flat out contradicting established fim lore is another thing this episode does a lot , just to keep that in mind....

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THEMING

so the show likes it's season to start and end with a bang or something special unlike the rest of the episodes , in most cases this involves serious high stakes scenarios where the writers can go crazy with the fantasy stuff which results in stuff like our queen of the night appearing in the very first episode of a little kid's show threatening to get rid of the mother bucking SUN , FOR GOOD , now there's a go getter of an introduction to the show

and how does it end? the heroes use the greatest power of their world to defeat the villain , which is then revealed that it was actually a good character all along that just lost the magic of friendship it had and transformed into a monster , after being defeated and offered friendship again to stop the conflict they accepted and boom character redeemed and we got to have best pony back....

so we got lots of really heavy themes going on here , characters going through hardships and becoming villains and then being redeemed through offers of friendship is something the show likes to do often , which is a great story telling concept , if only they didn't fuck it up soooo much so often.....

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TIME TRAVEL

ok now back to time travel , it's retarded , as there are only 2 possible outcomes logically speaking....

and this is ignoring the actual facts about time that we already know like how it's just the movement of electrons (or something like that) and only exists where there are moving particles of matter and is only and completely relative to other moving matter around it.....

1 the changes made in the traveled time doesn't effect what happened from the origin time because the changes had their effect and created a different timeline that isn't connected at all to the origin timeline , and the only things being effected is the matter that 'traveled through time' , basically it just becomes a infinite parallel universe theory , so for my fic i cut out the pointless middle man and just have the character 'travel' to one of the infinite parallel universes......

or 2 , there is 1 single greater timeline that everything is contained in , and any 'time travel' that would be done in it wouldn't actually change the 'timeline' itself because any 'time travel' that would happen in it is something that was already predetermined to happen in the greater 'timeline' itself since we live in a predetermined cause and effect reality , it might change the things that happens in 'the timeline' , but that was already part of 'the timeline' , so in actuality nothing has changed.....

but that's not even the worst part , cause usually there's some completely arbitrary restriction put the time traveling ability , because if there wasn't then there would be no story , cause at any point anything in the story can be changed for what ever reason , and then that change can be changed again , and so on infinitely.....

so that's why time travel in fiction is retarded and should never be used as a serious story telling mechanism for serious media

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UNDERTALE
(note: undertale is a VERY HEAVY HANDED EXCEPTION to this reality , now THAT is how you make a fictional story that includes time travel....)
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for shits and giggles sure i guess time travel can be a fun plot device , like a lot of ppl think it was for the episode , however that isn't how it does it , it plays it as equestria destroy serious , so that's a fail from it's conception , and the same people agree with the outcome of that notion , they just don't realize that this is the reason why.....

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WHAT ELSE WAS BAD?

so , in our world time travel was the plot device used for the serious season final episode , so what did the writers do with it? everything wrong that's what....

NO MOTIVE LANZA

the most glaring retard thing done here is what i already mentioned in my previous blog , starlight's '"motivation"' for what she does is because of something that happened to her in the past , that instead of easily fixing in 2 seconds THAT SHE EVEN PROVED SHE COULD DO BY TAKING THE VIEWER RIGHT TO THAT TIME , she decides not to and to try and fuck with other pony's lives instead , that's some fucking donkey kong country show level of retard there.....

again i link to this which points this retardation out in a hilarious way

WHAT THE FUCK IS EVEN HAPPENING ANYMORE?

so the fuck uping , why is it that every time twilight randomly gets sent to the changed future it's a completely different world every time when the minor differences done in the past don't have any baring on those differences to significant events in the future? or are we actually supposed to believe that a young pegasus or 2 being taught some compassion then instead of a little bit later in their lives means the difference to queen chrysalis being defeated and king sombra not being defeated instead?

i think not..........

.......ugh this is all just a big waste of time isn't it? this pile of shit of an episode isn't even worth deconstructing like this , think i'll just speed through the rest of the bullshit and get it over with.......

the pacing was shit , the writers took up half the time explaining the mechanics/lore of things we already knew , and didn't bother explaining how any of this new shit worked , like why simply touching the scroll sent not only spike but twilight as well back in time slightly later in time than when starlight got there , or why she even left the scroll behind in the first since that meant twilight could try and do something to stop her which she clearly doesn't want to be stopped?....

the animators were no better for this episode either , in fact if it wasn't for the sweet shots we got of our queen of the night N I G H T M A R E M O O N , they would be just as bad as the writers , the slap stick humor was even more unfunny than it usually is , and instead of doing something interesting (changelings) or exciting (fucking tirek DBZ fight) for the big season final here , the last unique animated scene we got was a boring barren wasteland , snore.....

also they fucked up and made the image of the mare in the moon mirrored to how it originally was , but even though i realize that's the case i still like to think it was actually them being clever and purposefully mirroring the mare in the moon to show it was different like that because it was celestia that was sealed in the moon now and not nmm.....

why the fuck was fluttershy some savage tribe pony? she should have been among the first ponies to be captured by the changelings with her trusting nature and always being surrounded by so many different kinds of animals constantly , literally baby changeling training grounds for how to espionage against the equestrian race....

and why the fuck was rainbowdash a guard for nmm? 1 she wants to be a flyer so she would have wanted to be on the shadowbolts team , yeah remember them? guess the writers of the show didn't....
oh yeah and they also forgot that SHE'S THE BUCKING ELEMENT OF LOYALTY THAT WOULD HAVE NEVER SURRENDERED TO NMM'S RULE , let alone join her ranks , she would have been loyal to celestia to the bitter end even without becoming friends with the mane 6....

why was nmm also retarded in the show? without knowing exactly how twilight and spike traveled though time , and wanted to get that power for herself , any competent thing would have made some insurance that they wouldn't be able to just time travel away again , and since twilight retardedly revealed that their time travel ability was location based , she could have simply separated them so that one couldn't just leave with the other still being trapped....
i don't take kindly to my queen being portrayed as incompetent , and neither does she.....

BACK TO THINGS WRONG WITH STARLIGHT'S CHARACTER

starlight's magical powers were better than twilight's , she made the time spell work for any time , not just 1 week like when twilight tried to use it WHEN SHE THOUGHT THE WORLD DEPENDED ON IT , not just for some shity revenge scheme , even though twilight was repeatedly shown throughout the show to have far superior magical abilities to all other ponies , except the alicorns , which she then became one , and except when someone's magic is being boosted by the alicorn amulet , which starlight didn't have.....

oh also , unicorns are best pegasi now.....

there's lots more that can be said , but i'll just get to the final point and warp this up now....

THE REDEMPTION

they didn't even bother to give a reason for it , starlight didn't undergo any character development nor learn anything , and it's not like she was a previous friend and relative to the ruling princess of the land like luna was , the staff just couldn't give enough of a shit to put that much effort into it to even make their big closure make sense or matter...........

EFFORT DIES AND WITH IT SO DOES MY INTEREST IN THE SHOW

but that seems to be the ultimate underlying factor for why this episode turned out so bad , the staff just didn't give a shit , and the proof is in the pudding , or rather the previous seasons , where we could see real effort being put into producing something of value from them WHY WE ALL FLOCKED TO THIS SHOW IN THE FIRST PLACE thinking it was the greatest thing ever
it wasn't , not by a long shot , but there was real vision and effort put into this show that always tried to get a meaningful message across....
not anymore though , which is sad to see......

....and what's even sadder is that there are people lapping it up for the mindless flashing of colors that it is , or worse , trying to defend it as quote

excellent quality

and

it wasnt as bad as you think. It was rather good in my opinion.

and

There is no good or bad in regards to episodes of the show

your thoughts?.....

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Comments ( 21 )

You really did it. I'm surprised.

so that's why time travel in fiction is retarded and should never be used as a serious story telling mechanism for serious media

You have nice theories about time travel, that's as much as I give you, but that's where it ends, they are theories.
You don't know how time travel works and neither do I or anyone else in this world, because we don't have time travel, so you are unable to determine if the way the time travel works in Equestria makes sense.
A clear case of you just not liking it because it doesn't reflect your own theories about time travel.
But nonetheless, it IS good to know that you are such an expert for time travel, we need more guys like you who enlighten us about this important topic.
I will recommend you to Doc Brown and The Doctor, I'm sure you will be enlightened to have discussions and to exchange experiences with them. :yay:

starlight's '"motivation"' for what she does is because of something that happened to her in the past , that instead of easily fixing in 2 seconds THAT SHE EVEN PROVED SHE COULD DO BY TAKING THE VIEWER RIGHT TO THAT TIME , she decides not to and to try and fuck with other pony's lives instead , that's some fucking donkey kong country show level of retard there.....

And that's right where it shows that you simply failed to understand the plot of the episode on a intellectual level:

When Starlight Glimmer changed the past and when Twilight and Spike arrived back in the present after the changes were made, neither of them knew what happened to their world. They saw the changes, but they didn't know what led up to them.
They had no memories on how these new situations and circumstances have actually arisen; Applejack, Zecora and Nightmare Moon had to tell them first.
Now, what would happen if Starlight Glimmer would travel back to when Sunburst was still with her and prevented him from leaving?
She would return to the present and he would be there, but she wouldn't have any memories on the last ~20 years with him and what they did together in this long time, in the same way as Twilight and Spike couldn't remember anything that happened in the alternate timelines, and therefore she barely would have any use from it that Sunburst is with her again. It would simply put her into a situation where Sunburst is suddenly back, something that she could also achieve by visiting him in the present, but it wouldn't make up for the missed past with him.
This is the conclusion Starlight Glimmer came to as well, which is why the thought of preventing Sunburst from leaving in the past did not put her at ease and why she finally decided to use the time travel spell for revenge on Twilight.
Easy logic. Not even hard to figure out. But you've proven to not be able to apply logic, so you are not in a position to judge how much sense the plot makes in the first place. You are incapable to do that.

.......ugh this is all just a big waste of time isn't it?

Indeed.

and didn't bother explaining how any of this new shit worked , like why simply touching the scroll sent not only spike but twilight as well back in time slightly later in time than when starlight got there , or why she even left the scroll behind in the first since that meant twilight could try and do something to stop her which she clearly doesn't want to be stopped?....

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why the fuck was fluttershy some savage tribe pony? she should have been among the first ponies to be captured by the changelings with her trusting nature and always being surrounded by so many different kinds of animals constantly , literally baby changeling training grounds for how to espionage against the equestrian race....

and why the fuck was rainbowdash a guard for nmm? 1 she wants to be a flyer so she would have wanted to be on the shadowbolts team , yeah remember them? guess the writers of the show didn't....

oh yeah and they also forgot that SHE'S THE BUCKING ELEMENT OF LOYALTY THAT WOULD HAVE NEVER SURRENDERED TO NMM'S RULE , let alone join her ranks , she would have been loyal to celestia to the bitter end even without becoming friends with the mane 6....

why was nmm also retarded in the show? without knowing exactly how twilight and spike traveled though time , and wanted to get that power for herself , any competent thing would have made some insurance that they wouldn't be able to just time travel away again , and since twilight retardedly revealed that their time travel ability was location based , she could have simply separated them so that one couldn't just leave with the other still being trapped....
i don't take kindly to my queen being portrayed as incompetent , and neither does she.....

and didn't bother explaining how any of this new shit worked

And here we have the proof that you just didn't understand the plot of the episode and that you are not able to figure things out for yourself, but that the writers have to explain every little detail for you and that you only call the episode "bad" because you failed to understand it.
My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic is clearly not the right show for you with you having problems to explain and figure out the things you mentioned by yourself, without the writer's pampering, I suggest you to watch something that is more on your intellectual level, like the Teletubbies or G3 of My Little Pony.
You mentioned at the beginning of this blog entry that you'll stop watching the show if the writers don't get replaced and that's a good idea, you should do that. It's not the right show for you.

I will just say first of all that I find your constant use of the word "retarded" to be offensive, and I wish you'd cease using it.

Second. While this was the worst season ending by a large way, this was by no means the worst episode in the series. That distinction goes to the joint threeway pile of rubbish that is "Filli Vanilli", "Testing, One Two Three" and "Scare Master".

These three, in my opinion are far worse purely because of the character assassinations done to Fluttershy and RD's characters.

As the previous comment said, none of us know how time travel works. anyone's ideas are as valid as anyone elses. And as far as the alternate futures are concerned, i buy them entirely. They make perfect sense. One small change in the past can have untold consequences in the future, so yeah, entirely plausible.

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You don't know how time travel works and neither do I or anyone else in this world,

yes we do and i just explained how it works
here's a short little blog that explains it in more detail so you can better understand it...
http://www.astronomytrek.com/interesting-facts-about-time-the-fourth-dimension-and-time-travel/

and there's plenty of examples of people already 'traveling through time' , in fact i personally spoke to someone who worked as an engineer for extremely high voltage electrical equipment , and he told me that when he was working in insane power levels of electromagnetic fields for a short duration of time and then came out of it , he would check his watch (probably a high tech atomic watch) to other devices keeping track of time and found that his time would always be off by seconds (or maybe even minutes) even though it was accurate before he went into the powerful emf to do his maintenance work.....

I will recommend you to Doc Brown and The Doctor, I'm sure you will be enlightened to have discussions and to exchange experiences with them. :yay:

well that's helpful that you made clear you're background knowledge on the subject , i never watched that shit , so your reference falls on deaf ears im afraid....

you keep enjoying your mindless hollywood garbage , and i'll keep enjoying learning more about the human race's understandings of reality , actually no wait i would urge you to stop stupifying your brain and learn something socially relevant as well....

also i like how i presented cases logically from the ground up of how this subject matter works , and instead of addressing the substance of my claim you make fucking movie references , im actually getting really offended and pissed off now if you ignore what i say while spouting your dribble again im just going to remove your comment....

also your attempts of being passive aggressive in your responses don't make you look anymore clever or right , quite the opposite in fact.....

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some further things im coming back in my reply to address before my big revelation

This is the conclusion Starlight Glimmer came to as well,

baseless claim is baseless....

But you've proven to not be able to apply logic, so you are not in a position to judge how much sense the plot makes in the first place. You are incapable to do that.

wow , that's really harsh you know? i never made any such judgment on you when it's actually you that's proven time and time again over the course of our conversation that you don't even know what logic is , but i had hope that you could , i believed in you , and finally , this reply is literally the first time i've seen you communicate something analytical

WOWIE!! MY LESSONS ARE ALREADY WORKING!!
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And that's right where it shows that you simply failed to understand the plot of the episode on a intellectual level:

this....this is the perfect sentence to summarize you right now....

cause HOLY FUCK I DIDN'T EVEN REALIZE THIS AT THE TIME , and actually if it weren't for you I NEVER WOULD HAVE REALIZED IT EITHER , i actually have to really thank you for this , after all this brain dead conversing with you something of value actually came of it

NO WAY , HOLY SHIT

THIS , THIS POINT

THIS ACTUALLY BLOWS EVERYTHING I WROTE IN THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT THE EPISODE OUT OF THE WATER

IN TERMS OF HOW , FUCKING , RETARDED , THE WRITERS WERE IN MAKING THIS EPISODE....

but before i get into explaining that....

i've got a question for ya.

do you wanna have a bad time?

'cause if you read what im about to explain here...

you are REALLY not going to like what happens next.

que the music~~~~
(NOTE PLEASE PLEASE IF YOU OR ANYONE ELSE READING THIS HAVEN'T PLAYED UNDERTALE TO THIS POINT DON'T PLAY THE VIDEO , IM SERIOUS , IN FACT IM SO SERIOUS I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO GET UNDERTALE RIGHT NOW AND TAKES THE COUPLE DAYS IT TAKES TO PLAY THROUGH IT TO GET TO THIS POINT , AND THEN COME BACK AND LISTEN TO THIS....
...or alternatively you could keep reading without playing the video , just know that that's the victory song going through my head right now)

everything you just said about this is invalid , and it's made invalid by the lore of the show that the same writers already previously established....

remember how i said that "ignoring or flat out contradicting established fim lore is another thing this episode does a lot"? it's even worse than i thought....

i can't believe such a glaring oversight was missed by me as i was attempting to analyze the logic of the situation for making this blog post

let me break it down

how 'time travel' would work in our reality doesn't even factor into play here , at not for least for the most part , cause the writers of the show have already established in the lore of fim exactly how time travel works in their reality with the previous time travel episode

so what happened?

in the older time travel episode , there is a single overall timeline like i mentioned above , twilight 1a was doing her thing just fine , then get's a visit from the future , from twilight 1b

twilight 1b traveled back in time with the same time travel spell that was used in season 5 , and caused twilight 1a to take a different course in reality because of it

and twilight 1b remembers every changed consequence that came of her action of doing so

we all know what happened next

twilight 1a flipped out , went on another crazy escapade , she thought the world was going to end and she needed to do something about it FAST , too fast in fact , cause she wasn't gaining any ground on figuring out what this warning from the future was , she became desperate

so desperate that she came up with a plan , twi 1a went to find a way to travel back in time , so she could warn herself in the past , twi 1c , of the warning twi 1a received from twi 1b , and to not waste time with everything twi 1a was wasting time with trying to figure out what twi 1b had come to change the past to warn her about

so twi 1a finds the way to travel back in time , and does exactly the same thing to twi 1c that twi 1b did to twi 1a

only after twi 1a did that and was brought back to her own time , did she realize the horror of what actually just happened

all those twilights

they were all herself , there were no 'other' twilights from 'another timeline'

there was no 'this twilight doesn't remember how their life was changed in the past due to their time travel actions'

IT'S ALL THE SAME TWILIGHT
BECAUSE IT'S ALL THE SAME SINGLE TIMELINE
THE ACTIONS OF THE FUTURE CHANGING THE PAST HAPPENED BECAUSE OF THOSE ACTIONS CHANGING THE PAST SO IT WOULD LEAD UP TO THE FUTURE COMING BACK TO CHANGE THE PAST

it's an infinite logic loop like i described above , the timeline wasn't changed AT ALL

but what happened in the timeline was changed....

so if a thinking starlight had gotten time travel abilities , she would have gone back in time to change her past so that it would be better , like how twilight tried to do with herself in the previous episode , then this is what would have happened if we follow the already established logic of the show

nothing

because it would still have needed to been the case that something in the future would drive starlight to go back in time to try and make that change

no obviously if she was successful in preventing her *COUGHTRAGICBACKSTORYCOUGH* then she wouldn't have reached this point later in life where she tried to travel back in time to change the past....

because that's not even what's happening in the first time travel episode

what's happening , when a character is traveling through time , is that a series of events have lead up to that character traveling through time , if the time travel was able to change that fate , then the time travel wouldn't exist in the future , to then go back in time and make that change , because remember the show already established that we're dealing with a single timeline here where it's the same character that remembers the events of the time travel incident up to the point when the time travel in the future occurred......

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geeetttttt dunked on!!!

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I will just say first of all that I find your constant use of the word "retarded" to be offensive, and I wish you'd cease using it.

i find you finding me using the word retarded to be offensive offensive , and i wish you'd cease taking offense.....

this was by no means the worst episode in the series.

that's fine if you think those episodes are worse for those reason , i still feel this is the worst one though....

As the previous comment said, none of us know how time travel works.

and as i responded , yes we do , but make sure to read the whole thing cause i just blew my own mind with the revelation i just revealed....

Comment posted by Fluttercheer deleted Jan 27th, 2016

I'm still very unconvinced it was lack of effort. I can understand lack of vision but I think they truly did what they believed would be the most popular. Unfortunately without a strong vision to push things one way or another things tend to meander.
It's their job and they love it so they really do care. However caring doesn't mean that it will turn out well. You have to be bold and resist temptations and use your passion in an effective way. Think both about the short term and the long term effects.

This episode actually was written by a fairly new writer. Josh Haber didn't join until season 4. I had kinda expected something like this from him because he's very mediocre as a writer. He's very safe and never steps up above medium level. For an episode as ambitious as this one you really have to be on your A-game and Josh just doesn't have that. He can write okay simple episodes but that's about the extent of his skills. I think the best choice would be M.A. Larsen who is quite good with strange and difficult episodes.
M. C. carthy would also be good because she is I think the boldest of the writers. She can make questionable decisions at times but she's at least willing to push the boundaries.
I also saw this with Friendship games. It wasn't as much apparent because the plot was much more basic but again Josh just isn't a good writer. He's not terrible but he remains low level and with a high stakes, complicated and sensitive episodes like this one that is very detrimental.
That's mostly the impression that I got from it. That Josh Haber was trying but just didn't know what to do and was in way over his head. Instead he tried to play it safe.

I loved it because it didn't actually try to be the best thing. If it did things often end up being harsh and uncomfortable to watch. Also that the focus of MLP is very lose makes it easy to make fanfictions about it. The tighter focus as of late also is not a good thing. MLP is great because it was a compromise between the harsh artistry of Faust and the light commercialism of Hasbro. It was a good compromise that get's the best of both worlds. I watch both high rated movies and series and low rated ones. They both have things that I like. MLP had the best of both. To just say it was more effort is very over-simplified. It was that they had the right combination and unlike now weren't under time pressure and had no pressure to do certain things. Also Faust and Hasbro served as balances to each other.
I think the problem is that they are trying to do fully rounded stories and they just can't do that. They never could and they also shouldn't try. None of the previous villains had a real arc like Starlight did. NMM, Chrysalis, Discord (as a villain) and Tirek all just appeared out of nowhere without any real background just to be defeated by magic at the last minute.
They are trying to be popular in the wrong way and one of the problems I think is that they are listening too much to what the masses want instead of experts. This episode was really fun to watch but I can see the long term problems with it.
I did notice though the lack of polish in season 5 with many episodes. They should really try to tone down the conventions and stuff like that and focus more. They are under a lot of pressure to work quickly after all and they have to keep it at bay. Also without a strong leader things tend to get generic very quickly.

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I think they truly did what they believed would be the most popular.

that's called pandering and is an epitome of lacking effort....

I'm still very unconvinced it was lack of effort.

and im still very unconvinced it was not a lack of effort...

until there can be some reasonable justification given for why the episode out right contradicted so much of the show's established lore it will continue to appear to be the case that the writers didn't care to put any effort into this plot at all....

though i didn't know about that change in writers , i had assumed it was still the same bunch of main writers that were creating these episodes , however that still doesn't detract from my evaluation , it just add's an extra layer to the process where it was the better writers who didn't care enough about the quality of the product they would be putting out to first not hand the writing of the episode they wanted to make a big deal out of to their best writer , and second to not go to the less experienced writer they choose and say

'hey so what's your idea for this episode? time travel disaster? neat ok but before we get into what we're going to do with that do you already know how the show has handled this in the past? oh you don't? well you better go back and research that before you plot out what you want to do with this plot device we have already used in the show before so we don't completely fuck over our continuity'.....

though this isn't even the first time something like this has happened either , a specific example i recall is how they changed the lore of the cutie mark on a whim for season 3's end.....

MLP was great because of the harsh artistry of Faust and NOT because of the heavy commercialism of Hasbro.

ftfy*....

It was a good compromise that get's the best of both worlds.

there is nothing in the world of commercialism to have the best of.....

that's called pandering and is an epitome of lacking effort....

becoming popular is the goal. DHX is trying to become popular so that Hasbro can use it to sell toys. That´s been the goal from the very start. They aren´t looking to win awards because awards don´t make any money.

though i didn't know about that change in writers , i had assumed it was still the same bunch of main writers that were creating these episodes

You didn´t know? I think it's one of the main problems right now. The number of writers is now 10 and that's a lot.
On that I think Neal Dussedau is the most hated writer right now (he wrote Princess Spike and What about Discord) and I'm reluctant to hate him. He's the youngest of the writers (mid-twenties) and is really trying his very best. He's trying to push the characters and his morals were both very solid. I think he's just not experienced enough.
I would indeed think that Josh Haber is what you call "lazy". He's never willing to take risks and always just does what will be popular as well as functional and that's it. He doesn't really care that much about consistency or about artistry.

'hey so what's your idea for this episode? time travel disaster? neat ok but before we get into what we're going to do with that do you already know how the show has handled this in the past? oh you don't? well you better go back and research that before you plot out what you want to do with this plot device we have already used in the show before so we don't completely fuck over our continuity'.....

I think that speaks more of a certain recklessness.

ftfy*....

:ajbemused: that quote wasn't what I said. I've read Faust's original plans and I'm sure that if they had gone along with those I wouldn't watch it. Faust is a great writer but if she had her way MLP would have been strong and won a few awards but it wouldn't have spawned the community. It also wouldn't have been very popular despite it's high rating. It's MLP's flexible nature that comes from the compromise that makes it so good, you just never know what's going to happen from episode to episode.

there is nothing in the world of commercialism to have the best of.....

There is. With a person like Faust you need it to keep her in check. With some others it's not needed but with Faust it is.

3722174 acknowledging everything , except for the last thing , no nobody needs to be 'kept in check'......

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Everyone does. It's how you reach greatness. To really go for something 100% and not have to worry about restraint because someone else is going to do that for you. No single person can make a perfect story, it relies on many assistants and editors to make it great. We tend to give a lot of attention to the writers and while they are the single most important thing the editors also matter. I think the loss of Rob Renzetti was just as damaging as the loss of Faust. With Faust they lost their direction and with Rob they lost their quality control. Now only the fun and creativity of DHX is left and that alone just can't make MLP great.
Despite all the hero worship Faust is getting MLP FIM is not her product. She's the face of it and while her contributions were significant the rest of the team also was key. MLP FIM is a team effort. However when you lose key members and you cannot replace them the well oiled machine starts to fall apart. I think the most damaging thing is not that they lost Faust but that they never really found someone else to replace her. Also they should have searched for a permanent replacement for Rob as well.

3722202 weren't you just saying it was the time constraints that were holding the show quality back? now you say cause it was loss of experienced staff? which is it? or both and more?....

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both and more.
The writers are slowly losing their coherence without Faust and that makes them less able to push against the time pressure. The loss of experienced staff didn't do the working speed any favors so the time pressure is really pushing now.

Wrong. From what I understand is that once a timebranch is created it can not be destroyed. However I do remember seeing a cartoon where a person use so much time travel that started destroying the fabric of reality.

With a villain like starlight who may be more powerful then twilight unless twilight is holding back on her alicorn magic they had no choice. Remember Celestia is stronger then Luna but due to anger and transforming into nightmare moon Luna was able to defeat Celestia.

Twilight did the only thing she could have done.

King sombra= war=death=equestria wasteland.
Changling timeline= victory at cantor= lost= resistance= fighting=war=death= end

Nightmare moon: nighttime forever in equestria= noon else= no rain= no food= others attacking=war=death=end.

Discord= chaos= ponies going insane= random killing= death= end.

Tirac that just is the end no doubt about it.

Flim flam brothers wasteland and death of course.

Twilight had no choice in the matter. Twilight did the smartest thing she could have done beside killing starlight.

Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. However can your enemy become your friend? Yes just as possible as your friend becoming your enemy.

You cannot think as time as a straight line. As dr Who puts it:

Time is a big ball of wibbly wobbly timey-whiny stuff.

In fact did you know you are time traveling every time you have a conversation? It takes between 5-8 before your brain comprehends what you heard. So you are always hearing the past.

3726502 ....k...

what was "wrong" though?....

I´ve been thinking now about this for a while and I think the biggest problem is actually just 1 decision: the multiple alternate futures. NMM's behavior and almost every other problem comes from the fact that there was barely enough time to make something work. The way they should have done it is just to pick 1 alternate reality and stick with it. I would say the one of NMM makes the most sense. Maybe they can work around the possible plothole of Discord by saying NMM destroyed his statue and around Sombra by saying he was defeated by NMM's forces. Chrysalis doesn't have to be explained because with equestria dark like that there isn't much love so they wouldn't be attracted to it. NMM's far more centralized style of ruling would also have caught Tirek before he got too powerful.
If they just pick 1 thing they can flesh it out. If they pick multiple scenario's (especially 5) then none will really get enough time to become something.

3753674 yes exactly , doing all those au's not only lacked any time to develop those scenarios into something interesting and well written , but that also sacrificed the time needed to give the main conflict between twi and star a satisfactory resolution , which is what i fixed with the fic i made.....

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quite a few are against "slice of life" but I think it was handled well and within the spirit of MLP. That's fanpandering done right, doing what they want within what the show is about. This is going far outside those limits.

3760168 huh -.o? again you reply to what i said talking about something completely different and i have no idea what you mean....

Shut the fuck up with the Underagefail references.

4256597 underage?...
LOL is that kojima?...

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