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Jan
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You guys who like to use Nazi memes ironically? · 4:16am Jan 15th, 2021

I don't think you could do it more ironically than the Nazis themselves.

"And the youth parades for the Führer, believing in a better future."

Now let's see what happens when the irony stops:

Watch 'til the end. That final shot is like something out of a Stanley Kubrick movie. But it's real.

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Good post, good footage

As the legal blogger Popehat put it: "The Rule of Goats: even if you say you're only fucking goats ironically, you're still a goatfucker."

It's unfortunate the latter film is sped up. You lose some of the desperation when you take out the slow pace in which things are actually moving.

Oh yeah--Joseph Goebbels had a knack for tarting things up to look better than they were, and the Berlin Olympics were no exception. Later, he would give the impression that the German army was fully mechanized by parading the same few mechanized units in front of the cameras over and over.

A personal aside: My Grandfather saw the Berlin Olympics in person, and would later tell of seeing Jesse Owens humiliate the German competitors in the 100-meter dash. It would have been fitting for him to have later returned there as a liberator, but a bad knee kept him out of the fighting.

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Whoa. To have been there and seen that with his own eyes. That is 40% cooler.

Don't tell me he went there on a zeppelin or I'll just die of envy. Feeling pretty green as it is.

This brings to mind a Very Special Comment by [redacted], who advocated for getting rid of all the Communists the way the Nazis did.

Because that worked out so well for them. :rainbowlaugh:

Personally, I think the real problem was they didn't believe it was ironic. They would have denied they used it so. That's the real indication of danger, in my opinion. They were blind to the irony. Or in denial about it.

Anyone who finds the actually intentionally ironic use of Nazi imagery offensive, or immoral, is having a perfectly legitimate response. I've felt the same way (though I no longer do about the Nazi memes). Some things are so ghastly or sacred to us that making a joke out of them seems inhuman. Like making dead baby jokes.

It's totally normal to feel shocked and angry about those sorts of violations.

But. That doesn't mean those making the jokes are inhuman, or evil, or that it's impossible to see it from their point of view, that they don't have good reasons to disagree with the immorality of their actions, or that they mustn't be tolerated. Unless we want to say we ourselves are evil when we violate what is sacred or ghastly to others but not to us, by the food we eat, the shows we watch or the music we listen to, who we have sex with or who we vote for, etc etc. Or that we're evil when we agree with the sacredness or ghastliness, but have a different response to it. Such as humor.

It can be really tough, I absolutely give you that. But it's tough for everyone else, too.

Tl;dr Getting angry at or finding Nazi memes bad is perfectly normal, and making Nazi memes doesn't make you a Nazi, and it doesn't make you dangerous.

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Oh, I know! :raritydespair: It's impossible at this point to say how he got there, but in his letters he often mentioned traveling by ship, so this time was probably no exception.

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I may have told the story, but my Grandpa had dinner with Molotov once. Just as another guy in the room, nothing special. It was in the 1920's [EDIT: this was my guess and I was wrong--see below]. Molotov was speaking at the University of Chicago, my grandpa was an Accounting major, and they had a couple seats to fill at the faculty dinner beforehand, so.

One thing he remembers Comrade M. saying, as my dad tells it: "Well, you'll have to deal with us sooner or later. We run the the country now."

Every time I watch a clip of The Sopranos, and Carmine Lupertazzi comes on, I think of that.

EDIT: So it wasn't the 1920's as Molotov was never in the US then. He visited during and after the war though, and grandpa was a grad student and later an adjunct professor which would have made it more likely he'd have gotten into faculty dinners.


Saith Wikipedia: Winston Churchill in his wartime memoirs lists many meetings with Molotov. Acknowledging him as a "man of outstanding ability and cold-blooded ruthlessness", Churchill concluded: "In the conduct of foreign affairs, Mazarin, Talleyrand, Metternich, would welcome him to their company, if there be another world to which Bolsheviks allow themselves to go."

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Dang, what a small world it is! And I wonder just how much that quip was just Russian humour, and how much was Molotov "showing his hand"...

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