Jul
18th
2020
In case it wasn't obvious yet... · 11:12am Jul 18th, 2020
No, I do not want Nazis in this fandom.
I don't want stories about cutesy Nazi OCs, who exist to give "ironic" cover to actual Nazis and racists, and to normalize Nazi presence in MLP fandom.
I don't especially want people saying they're doing this in defense of free speech. They are, at best, fools who aid and abet the far-right that wants to destroy freedom of speech; at worst, they're Nazis doing it on purpose.
And no, I am not the real Nazi for wanting to throw the Nazis out. Look up the Paradox of Tolerance, and stop being stupid.
And if this, somehow, offends you, then please stop following me and go the fuck away. You are not wanted here.
So in summary: Nazi bronies, fuck off!
Can't upvote blogs, but have an upvote in spirit anyway.
Anyone who thinks there are nazi bronies is either brainwashed by social media or paranoid. Either case, I pity them.
I'm, sorry
Lurks-no-More
but I have to weigh in. Yes, there can be a line to be crossed, a moral line, an ethical line, but not necessarily a personal one, satire is a thing. How else can you take the piss out of something? If you begin to emulate this kind of thought police and ban it, well?
Ignorance is not bliss. What you don't know can hurt you. And, uhm, you know, the porn. Some people who aren't actually a Nazi do like the, erm, "aesthetic" I guess. I mean it was designed by Hugo Boss. Do you drive a Volkswagen? Guess where that came from.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zY1orxW8Aw Should this be "cancelled"? I personally believe that, if used correctly, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQrrqf-YamA
Free speech/expression is the best kind of weapon against fascism/racism. And hopefully, stupidity (same thing). I hope that you recognise that I can empathise with your stance, however, I believe that you are misinformed. I do hope you read this comment, and don't automatically block me, simply because that would reinforce my point. And I have enjoyed your stories that you have posted.
Cheers!
*Sigh*
To be clear, I am in total agreement about getting rid of Nazis and, as it happens, I don't believe that doing so is any kind of violation of the ideals of free speech. After all, attacking them, routing them out and rejecting them from your platform are all entirely valid responses to speech and you can't believe in freedom of speech without accepting freedom of response. If they want to say these horrible things they can... and they need to accept whatever consequences come from saying it.
However, there is one bit of this I do want to pick up on and, while it may be a bit of a point of pedantry, I do feel it's an important one:
Now, you want to say that there people are misguided and that what they're doing is not only not helpful, but contributing to the problem? That's fine and I'd agree with you.
You want to say they're "fools"? That, I think, is going too far as, even if I disagree with it, I can understand the ideals and fears that drive them to protest against what they see as suppression. If nothing else, the slippery slope fallacy is definitely a fallacy, but it's one of the more understandable ones and one I think most of us are prone to at times. Still, the accusation is a valid statement and something to be genuinely considered.
However, "aid and abet"? If I may quote from definitions.uslegal.com:
You want to argue that these people are wrong to be doing what they're doing? That's fine. But claiming that they're actively sharing in and knowingly trying to intensify these ideologies is simply not on and, to be frank, feels like getting dangerously close to the "if you're not with us, you're against us" line of reasoning. Which is just as much a fallacy, and a particularly dangerous one at that.
Horrible things are usually considered funny. Comedy=Tradegy+time and all that jazz. If you had a way to prove that all the nazi things are actual nazis then id agree. But you can't so I cannot agree. Supressing comedy is wrong.
I would like to say "they're not serious so just ignore it and they'll go away" but even though they're probably not serious fimfiction does nooooooot let gimicky "comedy" trends die so i dont know what to do.
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Should porn fics be allowed on the site? Gore? Other disgusting fetishes? Because by Lurks-No-More's estimation, those are actual things that bronies perform on a regular basis and reading gore fics turns bronies into violent torturerapists. If nothing else, then at least the brony fandom is clearly a recruitment ground for mass murderers and death cults.
Sounds dumb, doesn't it? That's exactly what you're claiming about Ze Nazis. And remember, those fics aren't even written as satire, but legit fetishes advocating how erotic and arousing those things are. CLEARLY people can't distinguish between fiction and reality, and need to be thought-policed for wrongthink.
Are you going to lose any friends over this, Lurks?
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In real life? No, definitely not.
Online? I doubt it.
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It'd be a shame if you did.
Good
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There are, sadly. They're real. They make no sense, they're few in number, and horrifically toxic. But they exist.
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There are also rapists, murderers and animal fuckers in the fandom. At least as many as there are nazis. Probably a lot more, judging by how many rape/gore/fetish fics there are on FIMFic every day. If Aryanne fics mean that we have a nazi problem, then we DEFINITELY have a huge rape epidemic on our hands... and I don't see you crusading against that. To use more extremist rhetoric: "DO U THINK RAPE IS OKAY? IF YOU DON'T OPPOSE RAPE IN ANY FORM IN EVERY MEDIA, YOU CONDONE AND SUPPORT RAPE! That's the same logic you are using to decry nazism, isn't it? Just because there are people who like gore/rape/fetish stuff, does NOT mean there is a huge murder-horse-rape-cult secretly recruiting from bronies, just like there are no organized nazi recruiters either. If you think there are, I suggest avoiding 5G towers before they make your coronavirus worse and you'll fall off the side of the planet.
EDIT: FFS this is sacrcasm to show how stupid the whole nazi witch hunt is. Aryanne is no worse than any other questionable topic. This is what happens if you swap the word "nazi" to something that is considered completely okay on this site, such as rape fics. Everything, up and including what is said about nazi organizations using brony meetups to recruit members, has been said without everyone else immediately falling down laughing at how stupid that whole idea is. Points go to the trolls.
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So, effectively you are saying is... "People are dumb, evil, animals and therefore more controls need to be in place so that people don't think wrong thoughts."
While you're not technically wrong, this is the internet. It allows people to express things that they really cannot do in real life. Like OC as a Pony. Or whatever flavor of Pony they feel like. As long as it doesn't affect real life, you know, actual people, why should you care? You don't have to witness anything that any group has to say. Ironically, you have the freedom here to literally ignore it, unlike real life.
Please think upon that when you say people can't distinguish between reality and fantasy. Those that can't, do need help. Not condemnation.
I do hope you read this, and don't block me, unless I really have offended you. In which case I apologise.
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Your comment saddens me greatly. I actually said the complete opposite from what you propose. There is no such thing as a thought crime and I greatly support the ability to write and say what you want. (I write foalcon ffs) That's why I was comparing this nazi witch hunt to the absurdity that would be claiming that non-con/sex/fetish/gore fics were responsible for causing people who read them to become rapists and torturers. That is what people are saying about Aryanne right now: She makes people into nazis. I say, either ban everything, or allow everything. Making just one topic taboo will soon be followed by another and another until we really do end up in a world where wrongthink is mandated by the cancel mob.
And if you are using the defense "someone on the internet might take it seriously or be offended by it" nothing could ever be posted again. How people react to what they read is 100% THEIR RESPONSIBILITY.
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Sounds dumb, doesn't it? That's exactly what you're claiming about Ze Nazis. And remember, those fics aren't even written as satire, but legit fetishes advocating how erotic and arousing those things are. CLEARLY people can't distinguish between fiction and reality, and need to be thought-policed for wrongthink.
Um, did you read my post?
I'm sorry, we may have had the wrong end of the stick here.
I agree with almost everything you said, and yet I wouldn't have said it in 2020. I suppose it discouraged you to get so much push-back from your followers.
The problem isn't what you wrote, but the context you wrote it in: in a time when political extremists were shouting about mostly-imaginary Nazi bronies. Google "bronies have a nazi problem", and you'll find page after page of mainstream news articles from 2020 claiming that bronydom doesn't just have a few fools writing Nazi ponies, but is actually infested with Nazis, far more than other fandoms, and has been deliberately encouraging this for years. On The Atlantic, Rolling Stone, reddit, Medium, & many others.
I didn't see Nazis on fimfiction--wasn't even aware of Aryanna until 2020--but I saw plenty of people, including myself, being called Nazis by assholes who wanted to feel important, self-righteous, and powerful. That, plus the other political hysteria going on at the time, destroyed most of what was good about fimfiction, more than the end of G4 did. Most of the best and most pony-like people left, like bookplayer and GhostOfHeraclitus, specifically because of that. It broke up old friendships. And it was done entirely by the social justice crowd; I saw no visible persecution on fimfiction except by them.
And you posted this right in the middle of that shitshow. It was like showing up in the middle of the Salem witch trials, while they were burning innocent people at the stake, and shouting, "We need to get rid of witches!"
(It occurs to me that there are no stories about fantasy worlds which actually have witches, in which they have witch-hunts which also kill lots of non-witches. The world needs stories like that. That's the real problem we face.)
There's also the question of where Nazis will go if you kick them off fimfiction. I can't think of anything less-harmful for them to do than read pony stories. It might do them some good.
And there's also the question of how far to take this principle. Marxism is every bit as bad as Nazism, and has proven far more enduring and dangerous. It's an actual present-day threat, unlike Nazis. Marxists (or at least communists, none of whom are strictly orthodox Marxists anymore but I don't think that makes any difference; the hatred, violence, and intolerance are implicit in Marx) are still murdering people around the world today. But there are LOTS of Marxists on fimfiction, and some of them are my friends, like Super Trampoline. I know them as people, and so it would be very hard and feel wrong to try to get rid of them, besides which, our talking here might possibly do them some good (though admittedly it hasn't yet).