Watching the finale... oh boy.. · 1:16am Oct 13th, 2019
1. So the ponies are all now so easily turned to racism after living together in peace and harmony for 1,000 years and seeing NO SIGN AT ALL FOR ALL 9 SEASONS that the 3 tribes have any lingering divisions. What utter bullshit.
2. The bell can steal magic... like everything else lately.
3. Discord sent them to get the bell, knowing what it could do... and knowing they're evil villains...
I'm 5 minutes in and already this feels like some of the worst fanfics I've ever torn apart into bloody shreds. This hurts to watch.
4. The writers forgot Tirek already absorbed and used Discord's chaos magic.
5. Wow Starlight, you really just turned your back on Chrysalis... you did a 'her' there.
6. The villains just let them hang around again without banishing or destroying them.... aaaaand of course they get away.
7. Tirek let Starlight have her magic. Why was she the only one he didn't drain?
8. I need to reiterate how stupid it is that Chrysalis and Cozy were able to so easily turn MILLIONS into racists, when THE PONIES HAD LIVED TOGETHER IN PEACE FOR A THOUSAND YEARS!!!
9. And the Substitute 6 end the racism in 5 minutes. Literally... 5... minutes...
10. Now friendship becomes Rainbow lasers just because. So they never needed the Elements or the Tree...
11. Discord and the Sisters turn the villains to stone. Because Discord totally forgot how much he hated the Sisters for doing that to him. Also... that was the EoH... not their magic.
12. Pinkie could easily use Discord's magic. Eh, that's about the only thing I could accept.
Discord gets no punishment whatsoever for orchestrating the entire thing. He was the one who got the villains together in the first place. They were already beaten, already helpless, Chrysalis was mentally breaking down alone in the woods. NONE OF THEM COULD HAVE DONE ANYTHING if not fir Discord grabbing them, browbeating them into working together, threatening them, forcing them to take part in a fake plan, showing them where the all-powerful bell was located, not following up on them while they were looking for it (HE COULD DO THAT WITH A MINI-DISCORD CLONE which we've seen him create many times!)
But, no, despite it all being his fault HE decides to petrify them all and there are no repercussions for him at all because he F'd up with 'good intentions'.
This is an AWFUL lesson!
Not to mention, Discord brought back Sombra.... none of you have realized that this means DISCORD CAN BRING THE DEAD BACK TO LIFE.
Seriously, am I the only one left with full cognitive capacity?
So, yeah. A complete shitshow. This was just as awful as the "Star Vs. the Forces of Evil" finale... only the fans of that show still had enough self-respect to call it garbage and call for a new ending.
The epilogue episode was just a reiteration of all the lessons of the show summarized in 15 minutes. Then a montage of everyone and their futures. As a generic wrap up, it's passable, but after what came before, it doesn't feel earned at all.
EDIT: Perfect analogy for how awful it is that Discord gets off scott-free. Imagine if the Troublesome Trio were convicted serial killers in our world, and someone broke them out of jail, gave them guns, and then they went on a murderous rampage. Then, once caught, all the trio were given the death penalty... but the one who released and armed them received no penalty whatsoever.
Would any of us find that just?
The inclusion of the Windigo angle really feels like a "Oh yeah, those exist and we never did anything with them. Toss 'em in the finale! Wait, what? They don't fit in the story? Ah, have Chrysalis start a race war or something, It doesn't matter!" The reason The Student 6 end racism so quickly is because there wasn't any, at least in this context. The writers just decided that everyone else would be stupid for most of the episode(s).
5136912 And as expected, the shills on EqD LOVED absolutely everything and found NOTHING wrong whatsoever.
They're akin to the people giving "Batwoman" 10/10.
There were so many plot elements in the two 'adventure' episodes that were just tacked on and added nothing to the story at all. And suddenly Tempest was there! Wait, if she was there and this was after the movie... why was she still dressed like one of the Storm King's soldiers?
Tirek's father was the same as in the comic... so that WAS canon? Soooo... WHAT ABOUT SCORPAN?!! Where was HE?! If THAT origin was canon, why was Sombra's not part of the canon? ARG!! Everything was terrible!
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Giving ANYTHING a 10/10 is shortsighted and a little arrogant, IMO. No piece of media is completely perfect, and not everyone is gonna love it the same way you do even if you think it IS perfect. I personally feel you can't truly love something without seeing it's flaws, or at least acknowledging that some people will consider things flawed, even if you don't personally agree.
5136952 I dunno... I kinda think "The Sting" and "Schindler's List" are 10/10-worthy.
There are movies out there that utterly crush the competition. Any flaws they have are so minor, you really have to nit-pick to even find them.
I take movies like that as the bar to measure all others by. Generally by genre. Each one has at least one film that towers above the rest of a similar subject.
Eh, actually fairly accurate in reality. Like likes Like, and the devil comes out in the details.
All it takes is for the grand shell game we all pretend is Reality to hiccup for a second, and you will literally have people killing each other over stuff from two centuries ago, and the effect cascades. We're seeing it play out even now.
So, shows end. You sticking around mate?
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You've been learning about racism from the university setting again, haven't you?
No, that's NOT how it works. In fact, in societies that have been cross-cultural for generations, racism is exceedingly difficult to get started.
Ponies have intermarried for a thousand years or more. It's to the point where most can't tell what their offspring is going to be ahead of time because their genes are so intermingled (the Cake family, duh?).
You think in that situation, a few whispers here and there for what amounts to, at most, a few months would change THE ENTIRE SOCIETY? And, to add insult to injury for this dismally idiotic plot point, the Student Six COMPLETELY NEGATE IT OFFSCREEN... in 5 minutes.
Yeah, face facts, there's NOTHING plausible about it. It's as BS nonsense as White Diamond turning good because Steven said, "No YOU'RE being a baby poopy head!"
On that note, consider this: more than half of the remaining SU fandom, as bad as they tend to be, realized that was preposterous. Bronies are more blind and cultish than even the SU fandom. Most of the Star Trek fandom has dumped STD, most of the Star Wars fans have fled Disney Soy Wors, most Doctor Who fans gave the finger to Femnazi Who, Star V Forces of Evil fans almost universally were incensed and openly protested the garbage-tier ending of that show.
Only bronies fanatically defend the shit writing of their idol, a cartoon they've tied their entire existence to. That's sad.
I am DONE with this show. It failed the most basic principles of writing and world-building in the last 3 seasons. GAME OVER.
5138341 I need to finish reading some of the really good stories I'm following here. They are leagues above the show's writing level. As far as the show goes, yeah G5 can suck it. Not even going to bother.
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I really wonder why bronies -of all people- became so defensive of this little kids show. Didn't this entire comunity start on 4chan of all places? Didn't most people start watching this show because they actually wanted to make fun of it?
I only ever saw this kind zealotry in people when discussing about politics.
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No, and I resent that implication. I went to two 2 year colleges for my degrees, and even then I was too busy working my way through them for the programming to take, which I was well aware of/not willing to put up with, anyway.
No, my viewpoints have been crafted since roughly the time I was 15 and I started observing the world around me, looking past the fake smiles and ignoring the niceties dribbling out of their mouths in a rousing chorus of some demonic cover of "Imagine", "It's A Small World", and "Everything Is Awesome".
Trust me. Racism is natural.
...wait...oh, Christ, are you one of those "Muh Magic Dirt" people?
Now, you'd be correct in your assumption of me if I said that I thought racism was everywhere and BAD.
It isn't bad. It isn't good. Racism merely is, the same way a hammer merely is; what makes it good or bad is if I use it to nail a sign to a wall (good) or use it to try and kill someone who doesn't deserve it (bad).
In nature, we tend to call it "in-group preference", seeing as how we don't want to call a natural phenomenon by its proper name when observed in humans because racism is supposedly worse than rape (at least according to Sweden) but it's okay when wolves, birds, and primates do it because fuzzy animals.
It is perfectly natural for one group to prefer the company of their own group. After all, birds of a feather flock together. Like likes Like. Civilizations that operate upon in-group preference enjoy the advantages of a high-trust society. Ask me more on that sometime.
When it becomes a problem is when people become assholes about it, as we see in modern society today. We have one group of people utterly convinced that any argument FOR their own interests is bad but everyone else arguing for their own interests is good, and any deviation from that mode of thought results in social ostracization, loss of livelihood, risk of physical harm, etc. The same shit they whine about happening in the past is the same shit they are trying to make happen, just roles reversed.
We aren't in one of those societies (hell, we don't even really have a society anymore), but I will play ball.
That is all well and good for them.
Tell me, what societies like this are around today? What demographics are dominant in these societies, and by what margin? Crime rates? Do they have freedom of speech to where anyone who feels that this is NOT a good thing can speak out?
Do we know what the state of affairs concerning the race of newborns in the time before the races were united? Any steps that might have been taken to prevent them, etc. etc.?
Besides, I never said it made sense in the show. Just that it made sense IRL.
You would be amazed at what a few whispers here and there in the right ears at the right times will do, particularly in a (former) society like what we have here in the West, full of people so utterly convinced that they have a legitimate grievance against one group or another (or identify with those "poor, downtrodden" groups that they throw in with them, not realizing that they are on the list as well) that they are willing to literally beat up innocent passersby for merely wearing a hat with a political slogan (I should probably say "lie", but I digress...) of the politician they don't like.
It's akin to tossing rocks at an overclocked pressure cooker. All it takes is a few in the right place and...pop.
Of course they did.
What did you expect, good writing?
Again, it is plausible.
What the hell do you mean the fact that Steven forgiving the leadership of a regime that makes Stalin, Mao, and Attila the Hun look like the Little Sisters of the Poor of all their crimes thereby forcing him to forgive EVERY criminal or enemy he faces because there is literally no way he CAN'T if he is willing to show the Diamonds any mercy beyond a quick and painless death is preposterous?! SU is the best show of the year for all years! It has NONBINARY GENDERQUEER SPACE ROCKS IN IT!
(Drinks soy latte from Starcucks)
Wonderful video on that subject, btw, and one of the many reasons why I stopped being a Brony.
Clickity.
Drop me a PM if you really want to get into this. You seem like a decent sort, and this interests me.
I'd continue it here, but...bronies consider Fimfic a "seff spesssss".
5139097 I think the 4chan ones kinda left around Season 5. What we have now are mainly people who've had severe social issues their entire lives (just look at the testimonials from a lot of them) and have put all their faith in this children's fantasy cartoon meant to sell toys for a massive international corporation to give their lives meaning...
As a side note, many of those same people would mock others for believing in a god of some kind.
What, you expected them to think logically?
5139293 The point you missed is that it is LEARNED. Children are TAUGHT prejudice. They don't just spontaneously decide to hate the Jews one day out of the blue, for example.
The ponies have lived in a world where most of them, save for a few very isolated pockets, have all 3 tribes living together and have worked together, gone to school together, etc for A THOUSAND YEARS.
Can you find me to ONE place in our world that has had that level of peace for a single century? Even Argentina, the place I point out, has only had this sort of unity since the early 90's, when they finally overthrew the despotic regime tormenting them ALL and managed to cobble a new government together.
We'd need to conduct an experiment, with a whole bunch of kids of every race living together in a sterile society shielded from all of history to see if any seeds of prejudice emerged naturally... this is a brilliant idea. Child experiments are ALWAYS a good idea!
Maybe what the Earth needs is an alien invasion to unite us... (becomes Dr. Manhattan)
Actually, no. Studies have shown that children, at an EXTREMELY young age (roughly when they begin cognitive recognition of colors) show preference for those that more closely resemble them.
You mean that they don't learn HATE...which is a whole other kettle of fish entirely, seeing as how shitty kids can be.
Godwin's Law: Activated
(Yawn)
No.
Because MLP is a cartoon, and Ponies aren't the selfish, irritating bastards that humans are. If they were, I wouldn't have watched the show; I would have just gone outside.
Or turned to CNN.
Or MSNBC.
Or Fox News.
Or what garbage passes for a sitcom, nowadays.
Yeah, the government currently failing? Tell me again how wonderful it is over there.
Yeah, and watch them tear each other apart because children are worse than adults, given that they have no concept of long-and-short-term consequences.
...actually, this would be hilarious.
Great idea.
Except watch half the planet get nuked by either the aliens or countries taking advantage of the situation to destroy long term enemies/self destructing in civil conflict, a quarter of the rest joining the aliens out of some progressive "Human Guilt" claptrap (bankrolled by Soros and figureheaded by Greta Thornberg or whatever that annoying little twit's name is), half of the other 25% simultaneously trying to claim that they aren't racist and wouldn't be fighting if the aliens just accepted "Earth "values"" (note the double quotes around something that just doesn't exist) while mounting an ineffectual defense, and the remaining 12.5% having to fight a war on a 360-degree front because the 87.5% is trying to kill them for existing/fighting back/being "racist" while fighting back.
Stop trying to create Utopia. That's what's gotten us into this situation, and trying again won't get us out.
Become an all-powerful God-being without any clue what it means to be a human being while answerable to nothing and no one attempting to create the perfect society through lies and deceit?
And here I thought we already HAD the American government.
(Becomes Rorschach)
Bring it on.
Edit: formatting
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Hey, I didn't make the history. Could've used African slaves, Native Americans, the Japanese Internment Camps, the Rape of Nanking, the Armenian Genocide, the Rwandan Genocide, the Crusades (both sides, really. Fact is, they were all A-holes)... lots of stuff.
Fact is, Equestria has none of that. They are all kinds of colors and live in a world with nearly a dozen other sapient species.
The 'inherent racism' studies are rather flawed. Put a bunch of kids on a playground, they all just play together. Like we did when I was a kid in the early 80's in NJ. In fact, we had no concept of racism at all until it was TAUGHT to us in history, and then we could hardly fathom why anyone would think that way.
But then I grew up and realized I was a Supreme Being destined to rule the cosmos, so yeah....
Neither did I, which is why whenever someone brings up the Holocaust in either a vague or blatant attempt to make me feel bad for being anywhere to the right of Boinie Sanduhz, I tend to mock them relentlessly. You got off lightly because I like you.
But you didn't. You used the Holocaust.
Wonder why.
Depends on the Crusade. The first couple were literally defensive actions against Islamic incursion into Europe; without them, there is a strong possibility that more of Western Europe than Spain would have an Islamic flavor to it.
And this is speaking as an Eastern Orthodox Christian, many of whom actually fought and were slaughteredalongside Muslim warriors in defense of the Holy Land since the Catholics hated us, too.
Yeah.
Because it's a cartoon.
As I have said repeatedly.
If you recall, I said that what was going on in the show was more applicable to REAL LIFE than the show.
And then you grew up.
Still, lucky. I grew up in the '90s, when I couldn't breathe without a classmate calling me a racist just for breathing at them wrong.
Welcome to the wonderful world of Identity Politics.
Commence joy.
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I can't say I am an history expert, but from what I remember from my studies the islamic forces were busy killing eachother by that point, and I think that the Spain caliphate was losing all of its territory, and that the first crusades were just a fancy name to call europeans mercenaries and warlords that did more damage than good to literally everyone in their path.
And the only reason the crusaders were summoned in the first place was because the byzantine aristocracy had screwed up their empire so thoroughly that they had to resort to ask for help from their "barbarians" rivals in the west to get back the territory they had recently lost to the turks (territory lost because they were busy betraying their own emperor).
And also, I am pretty sure they wanted that territory back because said byzantine aristocracies had most of their lands and possessions back in Anatolia.
5139773 I used the Holocaust because it's the most well-known and documented and clear-cut example in all of human history. We know how it began from beginning to end, written by the very architects of the extermination. There are no questions left as to 'why' except by those who've never studied it, or those nuts who deny it happened.
As a scientist, I like using examples where all the variables are accounted for.
5139807 Like I said, everybody sucked back then.
And then the Plague fixed everything!
5139293 If I were you, I wouldn't listen to someone like Lily Orchard.
5141040 Explain to me why the plot made sense.
Oooo, impossible task, ain't it?
Face it, your idol is made of gold-foil-wrapped shit.
5141069 If you're not smart enough to figure it out for yourself, then I'm not going to bother explaining it to you.
5141091 In other words, you can't make any sense of it so you're trying to obfuscate by insulting the intelligence of someonw VASTLY beyond your pay grade.
YouFail@Lyfe.ru
5141194 Since you can't be bothered to figure it out for yourself, I'll explain it to you. Twilight's biggest issue has always been her confidence in herself. Whenever she overcomes a crisis, her confidence goes up. Even in rhe series premiere we saw this. Therefore, Discord logically assumed that to help her he would boost her confidence by giving her an obstacle to overcome. Yes, it was extremely short-sighted and stupid of him, but I could at least understand where he was coming from.
5141314 That is the EXCUSE for the story. It DOES NOT SOLVE ALL THE PLOT HOLES.
Glossing over the continuity errors with the simplistic and simple-minded excuse Discord gave changes nothing. I IMMEDIATELY pointed out on EqD how pathetically idiotic that explanation was, WHILE WATCHING IT HAPPEN.
Just because a bad story says something happens for a given reason STILL DOESN'T GRANT IT LEGITIMACY. Bad writing is bad writing, otherwise we'd have to accept all the movies by Neil Breen.
5141328 I didn't spot any plot holes or continuity errors in this finale. Really, the only issue I had with it was the twist that Discord was Grogar.
You deliberately made that up just so you'd have something to complain about.
5141341 At the end of Season 4? Remember that? Tirek has taken Discord's magic before and he should remember this, cuz it was kinda major to the plot in that episode.
5141572 Yeah, so what? What relevance does that have to this episode?
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In the finale he says no one could use Discord's magic so easily... when he already had. He could have also done that this time. But apparently he forgot his own relatively recent past.
5141716 I don't think he was using Discord's magic in that episode. He was likely using all of the magic he had absorbed previously.
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You had the Pax Romana. That was a lot of ethnic groups living together in mandatory harmony. (Hey, it worked, didn't it?)
5181456 Yeah... that kinda wasn't what you think it was. There was warfare constantly on the borders. The reigns of the "Five Good Emperors" were the longest peaceful period of the Empire, from 96 to 180 AD (fuq BCE!), only 84 years.
And let's be clear: we're talking about RELATIVE peace. It ended with Marcus Aurelius, who was actually involved in major wars: with Parthia from 161-166 and the Germanic Tribes from 166-180.
He was followed by his son Commodus, who was naive, narcissistic, increasingly dictatorial and eventually created a personality cult which culminated in his assassination. This was followed by a chaotic period which began with 5 short-reigning emperors, most of whom were assassinated: Pertinax (assassinated), Didius Julianus (assassinated), Septimius Severus (OMG, it was Snape! Died from disease, not danger noodle), Caracalla and Geta (Caracalla had his brother Geta killed, became know as one of the cruelest emperors of them all, and was assassinated).
This was then followed by the Crisis of the Third Century, where the Empire nearly collapsed under constantly awful leadership and frequent barbarian invasions. This was then ended by Diocletian... who, despite restoring stability, oversaw the largest and most brutal persecution of Christianity in the Empire's history. This failed, and several brief emperors and a civil war later came Constantine... well, we all know the story.
Or we think so... BEHOLD!! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donation_of_Constantine
The claim of the papacy is proven FALSE!! By this we know it to be the Beast spoken of in Revelations! Once joined to the False Prophet, then End Times shall be nigh!!!
IT'S IN REVELATIONS, PEOPLE!!