Order in the Court
Both guards walked with Luna, one on either side of her small frame as they made their way to the courtroom through the winding and dizzying halls. Though they were close to her, Luna could feel the tension and uncomfortable feelings between their small posse. She had considered trying to slip away, but knew that her escorts attentiveness meant she wouldn’t be able to, at least not any time soon. Not that it would really solve her problem anyway, she thought with dread as her stomach gurgled again.
Luna felt another cramp in her gut and before she could process what she was doing, she had stopped in the middle of the hallway. Her legs quivered and her face felt hot, the strain of keeping control of herself was painful, stressful, and embarrassing. After a moment, she felt a small nudge from the dark grey guard on her right followed by an irritated groan, “Keep moving, or you'll make things worse for yourself.”
Luna tried to ignore his comment but sent him a scowl. Why couldn’t he see that she was struggling? It took her another minute to regain her composure, but to the guards' relief, she finally began down the hall once again, albeit slower, and more awkward than before.
Through the halls, the party passed other small groups, mostly staff, and Luna could hear them whisper as they walked by. Her face grew even more red and her ears fell, radiating heat. She tried not to make eye contact with anypony, and kept her head down low. When Luna felt another cramp beginning to form, she was glad to see they were finally in front of a large sets of doors, which she guessed was the courtroom.
Another wave of pressure and pain washed over Luna and she sat down quickly. Her diaper was cooling down and it felt clammy as it pressed into the fur on her flanks and her nether regions. She hated the feeling of it against her skin, cool and wet and squishy, another reminder of her failure. Despite the unpleasantness, she stayed seated, the counter pressure of her body on the floor helping her keep the remnants of control she had left as the cramps grew in frequency and intensity. Luna tapped her hooves on the tile impatiently. She hoped Celestia would meet them outside the doors, and that she wouldn’t have to get up, she was becoming more and more aware of the futility of her own losing battle. She glanced at her escorts from the corner of her eye, not really to make eye-contact but wanting to try and commit their faces to memory, in case she needed help later. They were kind enough and she didn’t want new escorts if she could help it, enough ponies had seen her like this already.
In that brief glance, Luna accidentally met the eyes of the older pony, whose gaze was warm and fatherly. The younger guard who sat on her left though, radiated impatience and anxiety, and gave her a small push forward. “Lulu… you don’t want to keep her waiting” he said, pressuring her to move.
Luna frowned and moved to stand, but it only took one shift of her haunches before she realized with fear and horror that if she didn’t stay seated she would completely lose control. Luna stayed still and the squish of her wet diaper reminded her again of her previous accident. The memory filled her with determination to get a grip and keep things under control. Her sister had already made her wet herself, but she would NOT mess herself too if she had anything to say about it. She was not a foal, and she was going to prove it.
The guard on her left gave her a second nudge, more forceful this time and it was clear how impatient he was becoming. "Please, Luna.” He urged quietly, “Just get up, it's not that far.”
Luna wanted to shout at him, explain to him that it wasn’t her fault, that she couldn’t move without soiling herself, but that would be admitting defeat, and she didn’t think that she could do that without another blow to the last remnants of her pride. It was one thing to be stuck like this, but something completely different to have to admit what was about to happen.
Luna considered how to try and explain her obstinance in the least explicit way possible, when the guard on her left lost his patience with her. He moved behind her quickly and gave her a hard shove, pushing her bottom off the floor. The unexpected shove caught Luna off guard and as she lifted off the ground, her forehooves slipped, and her face smashed into the tile floor. She tried to right herself, to stop what she could feel was happening, but it was too late, the floor was too slick, and she had crossed the point of no return.
Without the help of the floor beneath her, Luna’s tail lifted of its own accord. Her stomach cramped for the last time and she felt her bowels release her mess into the back of her diaper. The relief from the cramping pressure and horror at what she’d just done overwhelmed Luna, so she didn’t notice when the doors to the court open. To anyone who noticed, she was quite the sight to see, bottom in the air, face down filling her diapers like a little filly. Luna gave an involuntary grunt, and if she hadn’t already been beet red, she certainly was now. Once the deed was done, she looked up to see Celestia standing directly in front of her, looking on with an expression Luna couldn’t decipher, a witness to her most recent humiliation.
The guards one either side of Luna stood at attention, and Luna slowly stood up on wobbly legs. She could feel the hot mass pressing against her bottom inside the now slightly sagging and squishy diaper. At that moment, Luna expected Celestia to give some snide remark, gloat, make fun of her, maybe even change her in front of her new guards/escorts, but instead, she walked up with a small smile on her face and embraced her.
“Ah, Lulu! I see you’ve made it here safely! Guards, you’re dismissed.” Celestia said, her tone was gentle and comforting, and she looked over Luna, making sure she was safe and well looked after. The young guard took off as if a gunshot had rung out beside him, and his partner followed slowly and rolled his eyes at their dramatic exit, leaving Luna all alone with her sister.
Luna stood very still. The mess in her diaper had become incredibly unpleasant very quickly. She felt like a naughty filly who had messed her new clothes, she’d have to do the walk of shame to the bathroom to get cleaned up, only there was no cleanup for her. Not yet.
What are you waiting for? Luna asked her sister in her mind, both disgusted and humiliated by her situation. It was only a moment before she remembered the rules, and realized Celestia was going to make her ask to be cleaned. Luna almost shook her head. No way. She thought, she would never ask to have her diaper changed. Celestia was just going to miss out on that indignity.
Satisfied with her examination Celestia called, “Follow me!” cheerily as she walked around the outside of the courtroom. Luna followed her, her excitement for a castle tour soured by the soft messy feeling in her diaper. Every movement pushed more of the mess onto her skin and she wondered if any amount of cleaning would be able to get the smell out. It was pleasantly surprising though, that the smell was entirely contained, not a whiff escaped, whether it was good thing or a bad thing had yet to be determined.
This is going to be a long afternoon.
A reo hours into their tour Luna was terribly bored and unfathomably uncomfortable. She considered for just a moment that maybe it would be better just to ask Celestia for a change; she felt cold and clammy, and the diaper felt heavy on her hips and itchy on her flanks. Celestia, however, seemed to be having the time of her life, pointing out which rooms each diplomat stayed in when they were there and what each other room was intended for. The tour continued on for another four hours, and by the time it was over Luna’s flanks burned and ached like she’d never experienced before. As they walked, she tried to give herself some relief from the pain and the friction by stopping for a few seconds before trotting to catch up. This immediately caught Celestia’s attention, and when Luna met her sister’s gaze she seemed confused.
I'm not going to ask. Luna thought to herself, though her bravado had been waning by the minute and it seemed more like she was trying to convince herself of her own decision rather than asserting it to her sister.
When Luna saw the look in Celestia’s eyes, she began to walk again. She held back a squeak of pain with each step. Celestia sighed, and turned away, praying that Luna wasn’t planning anything. She continued onward towards the kitchen where they had visited near the beginning of the tour, and when they entered, they were greeted by a light blue stallion with a blonde mane. "Good evening! Wonderful to see you again, are we all ready for supper?” He asked with a smile. He gestured to the dining room, and Luna assumed he must be the chef, like his hat and cookie cutie mark would imply.
“That depends, is everything prepared?” Celestia asked, her voice sounded more stern than it had been all day, and Luna paused to focus more closely on the two of them. She wondered with a bit of worry what her sister might have had in store for her.
“Of course!” The paisley stallion said with a small bow in Celestia’s direction. He seemed to ignore Luna though she was standing right beside her sister.
Luna looked him over and decided to ask him, just to alleviate her curiosity, “What's for-“ she began, when she was abruptly cut off by Celestia.
“You’ll see when it is given to you.” Celestia said quickly before walking her to the dining room entrance. The pause in the kitchen had been nice and when they began to walk again, Luna felt the intense fire rise up again from her tender and raw flanks. She was about to give up and ask Celestia to change her, when she saw the dining room.
Next to where Celestia presumably sat was a mare sized high chair, emblazoned with her cutie mark in a mahogany matching the furniture in her room. Luna stopped in her tracks, she was angry, humiliated, tired, and in pain. All of these feelings she battled finally boiled over and she could feel the first of her tears well up in her eyes. Luna planted her hooves against the floor and glared daggers at her sister.
When Celestia heard Luna stop, she turned around to see what had happened. “Come on Lulu, its time for dinner.” She said with a note of confusion and impatience, before she noticed the anger coming off her sister in waves, and the tears starting to roll down her cheeks. To say she was surprised would be disingenuous, but Celestia wasn’t expecting quite as powerful a reaction, especially with how well behaved Luna had been all day so far.
Luna stood her ground and shouted, “NO.” Her voice seemed to waver slightly, as her feelings took over. She was experiencing a rollercoaster of emotions, each one fighting for the spotlight. Pain, anger, frustration, indignation, and more, contributed to her mental anguish and it became the perfect storm for a tantrum.
Celestia took a moment to process what she had just heard, and what she was seeing. Luna had defied her, and not only that, she had defied her like she would expect a naughty child rather than her frustrated younger sister. Celestia frowned. If she’s finally decided to play along then two can tango... She thought. Looking at Luna in this state though pulled at her heartstrings. She looked so sad and alone, and though Celestia knew she had to make a point, all she really wanted to do was hug her.
We will hug later, but this needs to be addressed now. “What did you just say?” Celestia asked, less of a question and more of a challenge.
Luna’s blood ran cold, and she knew immediately that she’d made a mistake. Celestia’s face was stern and she watched as she walked up to her. Luna continued to stand her ground, though her legs began to shake with regret and the last fleeting shreds of her confidence. Her tears were now trickling down her cheeks, falling into a puddle at her hooves.
“I s-said no…I’m not going to eat f-from a high chair.” Her voice shook as much as she did, and she stumbled on her words through her tears and sniffles.
“I’m going to give you the opportunity to go sit down right now. If you choose not to, I will spank you.” Celestia said clearly with warning in her voice, giving Luna one final chance to back down. She desperately wanted Luna to take the easy way out, but she knew it was unlikely.
Luna was in way too deep to back down now, but she regretted it all the same. Celestia shouldn’t be making her do this, why did she have to do this to her? Luna’s confidence had disappeared so quickly, all she could do now was stay put, frozen in place, realizing how vulnerable her position was. Even if she’d wanted to give up now, she wasn’t sure she could will herself to move.
“I see we’re going to have to have some behavioral correction before dinner,” Celestia said with resignation in her voice. She saw the despair in her sister’s eyes and her heart broke. She didnt want to be the bad guy, but she had to show Luna that she was not to be disobeyed. Before Luna had a chance to run, Celestia pulled her over with her magic and turned her around in the air, exposing her diapered rump. Luna felt cold as fear washed over her and her sniffles turned to muffled hiccups as she cried. A paddle appeared behind her, her cutie mark painted on both sides of the paddle.
Luna’s already sore bottom ached as she was twisted, and when she saw the paddle she broke down completely, “P-please Celestia d-don’t! I’ll s-sit in the high c-chair, just please d-don’t!” she wailed. She wished in her heart that she’d just done as she’d been asked and as the paddle loomed over her, she dreaded the pain which was creeping up on the horizon. She tried to struggle against her sisters magic but couldn’t even manage a small wiggle.
“It’s Mommy, and I warned you what would happen if you continued to defy me, let this be a lesson you not forget” Celestia said firmly, steeling herself from Luna’s heart wrenching apology, before bringing down the paddle onto Luna’s diapered rump. The paddle connected with a small thwap, which was surprisingly gentle, really only spanking more as a show than intending to actually hurt her. The pain Luna felt on her flanks was excruciating though as the paddle, the diaper and her mess pressed against her raw bottom despite the gentle nature of the whack. Luna let out another cry, and Celestia summoned a pacifier to place in Luna’s mouth, silencing her.
“One.”
The paddle came down a second time, and Luna bit down on her pacifier, tears streaming down her face unencumbered as she whimpered.
“Two.”
When Celestia brought the paddle down a third time, she put in a little extra oomph, connecting slightly harder than the previous two but still quite tame. If Luna’d not gotten a rash, the experience would’ve been humiliating for sure, but not painful. Luna began to let out long hard shaking sobs and she begged Celestia to stop in unintelligible whimpers through her pacifier.
Celestia was befuddled, and she disappeared the paddle quickly and brought Luna into her arms and on her lap in an embrace. She had been so gentle, why was this the thing that upset Luna the most? Seeing her sister so distraught crushed her resolve completely, and Luna sobbed into Celestia’s coat holding her close as the pain slowly began to dissipate. The two sat on the floor of the dining room like this for a long while, Celestia rocked her sister gently until her sobs turned into hiccups, which then turned to sniffles. Celestia cooed softly whispering small words of love to her little sister as Luna began to pull herself together.
The two were quiet, and when Luna had finally calmed down after ten or so minutes, Celestia moved to lift her up and set her in the high chair. Luna’s flanks still throbbed under her diaper, and she quickly said, “Tia, please change me!” in shameless desperation to end the pain of her bottom. To Luna’s surprise, Celestia didn’t laugh, or mock her, she just nodded, and lay her down on the floor beside the table.
Luna’s flanks, unsurprisingly, were red and raw with diaper rash, and it clicked why she had taken the spanking so poorly. Celestia felt terribly guilty for not realizing how messy her sister had gotten, not expecting her to sit through the mess this quietly. She was careful to clean off every bit before adding diaper rash cream and foal powder gently on Luna’s raw skin, diapering her back up.
Celestia made quick work with her magic and her eyes were sad, which Luna had not expected. She was beginning to wonder why Celestia decided on this project, since she didnt seem to enjoy humiliating her, or making her miserable like she’d expected.
Once cleaned up, Celestia placed Luna in the high chair and took her own seat at the table. Behind them, the sky blue pony arrived with tray of food. He set a plate of cut up zap apple jam and peanut butter sandwiches in front of Luna and a bowl of vegetable soup for Celestia. They ate together quietly, and when Celestia looked up at Luna again, she let out a small giggle.
Luna for all her strengths was not used to using only her hooves and no magic. The jam in her sandwich had dripped out of it and was everywhere, not to mention the snot and tear streaks all over her face. When she heard Celestia giggle, she blushed noticing just how messy she’d gotten. Celestia took a wet washcloth from the table beside her and gently wiped Luna's face, chest, and hooves, cleaning her up. Luna looked up at her sister, expecting a smirk, but got instead a smile filled with love, which made her feel less ashamed.
After they’d finished dinner, Celestia lifted Luna out of the High chair before teleporting them back to Luna’s room.
Both mares were emotionally drained and exhausted. If Luna had been less tired, she might have fought Celestia as she placed her in the crib, however, the day had worn her out and she sat complacently instead, opting to deal with the rest in the morning, when she had more fight in her.
Luna was hoisted up and set in her crib, but when Celestia went to seal it with magic, Luna asked quickly, “please leave it open…” Her eyes were soft and puffy from earlier, and they hid no nefarious intent.
Celestia looked at Luna and considered saying no. She didn’t need Luna running off, trying to get out of the castle or make mischief where she didn’t need it, but when she looked into Luna’s sad, wide, and exhausted eyes, her heart melted. “Alright Lulu.”
Luna smiled with relief, and her eyes began to droop. Her body slumped into the mattress of the crib and she drifted off to Celestia singing quietly as she tucked her sister in…
There's a wee babymoon,
Laying on it’s back,
With its funny little toes in the air,
And its’s all alone,
In the big blue sky,
But the wee baby moon doesn’t care,
Babymoon, Keep shinin’ on me babymoon
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That spanking was uncalled for, especially considering what Luna already did! I fail to see how any of that is supposed to teach her a lesson, it's just going to make her hate her sister all over again.
8582968
So if your child refused to do something you told them to do, you emwouldnt give them a swat or two? Presuming of course that spankings are acceptable in the household.
A lot of folks aren't into ABDL fics, hence downvotes
8583190
But why downvote something you don’t even intend to read? If people dislike abdl then just don’t read it, no need to make people feel bad about it.
8583151
You just resorted to it a little too quickly. If they refuse to do things you told them you scold them for it. Only when that doesn't work do you resort to spanking.
8583217
Some people just dislike based on concept
8583258
Fair enough :3 I’ll see if I can make things seem more fair.
All in all I really appreciate you guys for your feedback it really helps to improve my writing and get things where you guys would enjoy reading them.
8583284
I also don't get why Celestia is so cold towards Luna when Luna is so apologetic. If she was more distant and immature I would but since she's clearly eager to be with her sister again I would think Celestia would be a little more understanding.
8583375
I’m not sure I understand your comment there, can you give me an example?
8583386
This proves Luna is very eager and happy to be back. I would think Celestia would really like that as well and she would really hate herself for punishing her eager sister and breaking her enthusiasm. She would make that very clear and say it repeatedly that she loves her sister and this will be the only thing. Not just to convince Luna but also to convince herself. She won't be that calm talking to her sister like that.
That sounds more like the way she would be talking to Twilight if Twilight had been very immature. Against the sister who she hasn't seen for so long she would be more gentle and respecting. Not this domineering and lecturing. After all Twilight is her student but Luna is her sister.
8583395
I see your point :3 thank you for the feedback, I’lll make sure to take that into consideration in further chapters!
You guys are all so helpful I’m so thankful for each and every one of you
8583418
You do need to consider how the characters feel about each other. Celestia feels responsible for Twilight's growth and development but does see her as a tough and capable mare. Therefore immature and stupid actions she will not tolerate and since she wants Twilight to be the best she can be will put a lot of effort into raising her properly. She likely also took Twilight in because she enjoys being a mother a lot and wants to experience all the wonders and challenges that come with that. With Luna her relationship is very different as it's an eternal bond. There is never an end to what they do and she mostly just wants to be reunited with her sister and prove to both her and herself that they love each other. This punishment is to absolutely assure Luna has learned her lesson as Celestia can't bear it happening again. Maybe she also diapers Luna to help Luna cope with everything that's happening and to reunite with them over shared memories. She wants to be Luna's equal but she doesn't think Luna is ready for this.
Celestia is the parent of Twilight because she wants to. She is the parent of Luna because she feels she has to. Maybe Celestia would be very harsh in the beginning because she wants to get it over with as quickly as possible.
This is my interpretation so if I went wrong in it please say so.
Well turning into nightmare moon Luna said that it was because celestia tried to control her and to be honest I don't see how this situation is any different. In fact judging by how the staff act around celestia it would seem that she's still a control freak.
8584102
Once again, your feedback has been super helpful! I really appreciate the effort from you and from others to help make this story great!
I’ll be doing some editing and hopefully chapter four will come out in the next couple days. I’m so excited!!!
8584102
I disagree, something like that is a thought and if Luna is pissed off she would be thinking such things. Luna is known for being excessive in everything she does so it makes sense she also has excessive thoughts. Just because she's thinking it doesn't mean she would ever actually go through with it. I think it does show Luna's anger and frustration.
Nice job!
8583151
she not child she only few years younger then her.
8583217
this just made the story worse it sound like she be treat as prisoner!
Luna is princess they are equal Luna have the same right as celestia!
Or does co-rule of equestria does mean anything to celestia?
8583643
agree celestia only start the nightmare allover again.
8585104
Though I can respect your opinion, and you’d probably be right If this was happening in the current universe, where this story takes place Luna is not considered Celestia’s equal. When she became nightmare moon she gave up her rights as ruler, and in cannon, she regained them upon her return, here however Celestia is implementing an extension of the moon punishment, which would have Luna still have less if any power regarding the rule of equestria.
You can say that she’d become nightmare again except that’s not what’s going to happen. Luna became nightmare when Nightmare saw her vulnerability and took advantage of her, telling her lies and preying on her weaknesses and insecurities. When she returned, Nightmare Moon was defeated for good. Aside from that it wouldn’t be rational for Luna to become Nightmare Moon during a punishment for doing that very thing. Furthermore even if everything before this was untrue, Luna’s largest complaint and the driving force for her transformation was that she was upset and afraid that her people and her sister didn’t admire her, which is not the case here as Celestia is clearly showing her determination to make Luna feel loved.
8583472
You’re making assumptions about Celestia’s motivations in this alternate universe, as Celestia has not made it clear at all that she and her sister are equals. This was something that was a turning point in her becoming nightmare moon before she was sent away. If this was occurring in the current universe you would be correct, Luna would be an equal and it would be an argument of coping and love, however in this case, Celestia is essentially continuing her control over Luna but rather than keeping her isolated on the Moon, she is taking her home and giving her tools and love, along side the entertainment factor, which she believes will make her a better mare. In this case she is acting like a teacher, as she does for twilight, although in a different way. Celestia doesn’t see her as an equal as she is continuing a punishment which immediately puts her in a position of power, even if the difference in equality is not dramatically different.
Side note, I apologize for not responding to your comment. From my point of view it seemed to be an argument of opinion rather than constructive criticism, and I didn’t know how opinionated you were on the topic and chose to avoid what I assumed could just end up in a fight.
8585086
“A few years younger” are you sure about that? Luna is significantly smaller than Celestia in cannon and for an Alicorn’s development that would take much more than a few years to differ since they age much slower (tale of two sisters novella).
8585384
In that case maybe you should make that more clear. Like have Luna argue that they should be equals but have Celestia shoot that down.
You need to make it very clear what exactly their relationship is and how they think of each other. If that is clear to people they can usually fill in a lot of blanks themselves.
Well I knew that so I asked you to reply if you didn't see it that way.
8585387
Why would Luna assume they were equal if she was still being punished? It wouldn’t make sense for someone who is incarcerated to attempt to claim equality to a citizen so why would Luna try and do that to Celestia? It would make sense for her to be upset at the fairness of her punishment and it’s durasicness, just like a prisoner might be upset they got a life sentence for jaywalking, but based on the situation it wouldn’t make sense.
Another example is between kids. If one is naughty they might be told they can’t have desert. The child would complain that it wasn’t fair they were being punished, but not that it wasn’t fair their sibling was getting desert. This is because the existence and reasoning for inequality has been established, and the fairness is the thing that should be argued.
It would be strange for Luna to say she shouldn’t be having this done because she was Celestia’s equal, when she knows she is being punished. It makes far more sense for her to say that it’s unfair for her to be punished, because it implies that outside the punishment there is a state of equality.
Because they are sisters. In Luna's mind they should rule together. She would protest when she hears about the punishment.
That overall correct but your example is wrong. Luna already served out her punishment. This is a child thinking it was forgiven yet the siblings still holds their mistake over their heads.
Claiming that it's unfair is already admitting submission.
Celestia does still have power over Luna though because she is the queen. Luna has been largely forgotten so she has no prestige or authority unless Celestia shares it. That could be the blackmail Celestia uses.
8585401
True, Luna could claim that her punishment shouldn’t be continued, however I tried to give a bit of explanation regarding that when Celestia explained that the ponies of equestria weren’t satisfied with banishment and asked for more. It’s still Celestia’s choice but she then has to deal with the possibility of a coup (spelling?).
And even if that doesn’t satisfy your feeling of indignation, unless the story goes in a completely different direction, one I don’t intend to take it down because I feel it has been over done, there has to be at some point the consent between the two that they are not equal, either by age, or by punishment, or by political influence. That is how I want this universe to function, which i know is different from cannon.
8585417
Maybe she should say that. That their people still want this and that she agrees with them. I would think the one thing Celestia doesn't want to do is truly antagonize her sister.
I'm not saying their position is bad or anything, just that it isn't quite clear. In what ways are they equal and in what ways is one dominant over the other? Celestia has divine authority over other ponies but is Luna an exception to that or not?
8585420
I tried to explain that in early chapter one or two, when Celestia said, literally, that the ponies demanded more, and that this punishment was a compromise to their more violent demands. She also went under oath showing her commitment to that compromise. I’m not sure how much clearer I can make that.
8585423
The way that she was saying it made it feel like Celestia was just making that up. She didn't show real frustration or regret about those facts. Make it clear what Celestia thinks about the situation.
8585423
do you have a brother or sister?
because all it sound like u don't understand how a family work?
and what about the bat guard that sever her would they fight with Luna?
I wounding how much do real know on celestia and Luna history that includes when starswirl was round?
8586216
Firstly, I have eight siblings, one blood and seven step. Four older and four younger. I’ve taken classes on childhood education and family communication, so yes I know how a family works.
Secondly, the novella which I own and have read twice “the Journal of the two sisters” had a very intimate knowledge of Luna and Celestia’s relationship before and during their transition to princess-hood.
And thirdly, no Luna’s guard likely wouldn’t attack her. They were impatient at her obstinance because they were trying not to get in trouble with Celestia. They aren’t so much acting as guards, although it is one of their duties. In this case they are acting primarily as escorts, a person who watched her and gets her from place to place. They have a moderate amount of authority over her given to them by Celestia, which is why they seem uncomfortable, they aren’t used to the change in the power dynamics as well as Luna’s new outfit.
8586229
then you know that family protect each other if her pony say they want more she can just overrule them it.
funny that not the only book on them! you still have lot more to read about.
like for example did know Luna is the design of canterlot castle? or Luna is could open portal to different dimension before celestia could?
and if not equals then how Luna going be able do her job like protect pony dream. because celestia can't enter other dream?
what about the Tantabus right Luna return she create it?
the guard I mean they will fight Luna to protect her celestia treatment! hell if say the princess swear to protect be treat like this I stand and say something to celestia! hell I won't let celestia guard treat her like she bad pony or another serve to celestia!
8586251
Families do stick together no matter what, and they are, just because you punish your child doesn’t mean that you’re no longer family. In this case, Celestia is taking up the role of parent and teacher, nurturing Luna but also punishing her.
Funny, which things that are considered cannon do I still have to read that apply here?
The design of Canterlot castle and her portal abilities have no bearing on her punishment.
If Celestia is unable to walk dreams then what did the ponies do while Luna was exiled on the moon? Either Celestia can walk dreams, or it is not a necessary job and it can resume when Luna’s punishment is over.
The tantibus was created because of luna’s guilt about becoming nightmare moon, and her fear that it would happen again. In this universe the likelihood that she would feel guilty is much lower, since she is still being punished, and even if she did, the closeness of her and her sister because of her punishment would mean that her guilt would be dealt with far before it could ever cause the tantibus.
You say Celestia could just ignore her subjects and do whatever she wants, but we have seen time in time again in history that when rulers ignore their subjects it can very quickly lead to a coup and the ruler overthrown. We also see that Celestia is quite kind to her subjects and takes their concerns to heart. It wouldn’t be surprising that she attempted to compromise with them. You say She didn’t protect Luna, but the citizens were basically calling for blood, and she managed to get to a punishment which may be degrading but not painful, and certainly allowed her to give her sister all the love she could ever want.
And finally if Luna decided to fight her treatment as hard as possible the guards wouldn’t attempt to fight her. They’d summon Celestia who could quite easily deal with Luna, especially since she has no use of her magic or wings. She’d just restrain her and talk with her until an agreement could be considered.
You also have to consider that none of this is how Luna is reacting. Sure she’s embarrassed and hates being treated like a foal, but she’s also struggling because it’s better than the moon, better than torture, and she feels closer to her sister than she had before. She feels loved and though her frustration is coming out in tantrums or insubordination it’s ultimately defeated by Celestia’s will and love for her sister. I.e the high chair scene in chapter three.
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I’ll see what I can do to remedy that, thank you for the feedback and the discourse, I really appreciate that you were respectful about it. :3
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I agree that Celestia is still a control freak but Luna didn’t become nightmare moon for that reason. She became nightmare moon because she believed that ponies didn’t love her, and she felt unappreciated which led to resentment of her sister. In this universe, though Celestia is controlling Luna through her continued punishment, she is also showing her love and appreciation, a relationship which I intend to continue to foster and develop as the story continues
if going to claim that all the thing the past are the same then yes! or your going to write a story what diffent in the past!
she couldn't she say it when she got cutie mark switch with Luna.
without it Luna won't grow as charterer.
no I say overrule! that complied diffent she can say. that she sever her time.
now your not listen I sad her own guards the bat pony would fight for Luna.
and lot of other pony and creature would agree!
only in your forgot to take in there feeling, and emotion, or how other thought, or relationship. like many other are pointing out in the other comment.
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You misunderstood me. I was asking what sources you have that provide additional information. If they exist I’d like to read them because they could be helpful and make things more accurate. I’m not trying to change established facts unless I need to for the story to maintain cohesion. If I can keep things to cannon I will.
Then my claim still holds. If the ponies of equestria hadn’t had their dreams monitored by Luna while she was on the moon, the job wasn’t so important that it couldn’t be put off.
There are plenty of ways for luna to grow outside the tantibus. Characters are similar to people in that growth is not linear and it doesn’t require specific events to happen.
If she overruled her subjects she would still run the risk of a coup. In fact, overruling rather than ignoring them might actually be worse, as it would be a direct slap in the face to her subjects’ desires.
I misunderstood your comment, however I still disagree. When Luna was sent to the moon her power over her subjects was relinquished, just as a king’s would if they were overthrown. When she returned she is still being punished, and has not yet received her authority again. Secondly her betrayal and transformation to nightmare moon all but guaranteed that her once followers had abandoned her. Any creatures or ponies who had a personal alligence to her are long dead, and anyone else has merely a professional respect towards her based on her rank. This means that without her status as a ruler she would not have bat-ponies to “fight for her” as they would have no personal or professional reason for doing so, and with the tales of what she had done, they would likely be more supportive of Celestia.
I don’t understand what you’re trying to say here. If it’s that my characters lack emotion then I can assure you that that has been at least partially resolved.
I’d also like to ask two questions to you.
one, if you’ve actually read the whole thing.
Two, if you’re familiar with abdl and appreciate it’s topics or if you’re just trying to say that this story shouldn’t exist because it’s not realistic (which is true this wouldn’t ever happen in cannon)
Finally, this story is under the premise that certain events in history occurred. That is why it is an alternate universe. If this was trying to be cannon a lot more of your arguments would be valid flaws, however in the context of this universe they don’t make sense.
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http://mlp.wikia.com/wiki/Princess_Luna
there few book in bottom of page
no there was lot fellow after she was send to the moon her bat pony are still around!
from the royal problem
no!
In the episode Sleepless in Ponyville, she displays kindness and offers wise advice to Scootaloo when she tells her to face her fears. At the end of the episode she gives Scootaloo a wink and a smile, as she knows that Scootaloo has faced her fears and she also knows that she has Rainbow Dash to help her overcome them.
In For Whom the Sweetie Belle Toils, Luna once again appears in a nightmare; this time, in Sweetie Belle's nightmare. She gives advice to Sweetie Belle and tells her that she as well has a sister that often "shines more brightly" than her and that she struggles with it. She then takes Sweetie Belle into the past at her fifth birthday party and shows her that Rarity did not want to take over the party, just simply save it. Later, Luna tells Sweetie to go inside a door of what the future might hold if she does not fix her sabotage of the headpiece Rarity had designed for Sapphire Shores. Later in the episode, Luna appears again in Canterlot in order to help Sweetie Belle undo the damage she did to the headpiece.
Dream duty
In Sleepless in Ponyville, Luna appears in Scootaloo's dreams, stating that as the princess of the night, it is "[her] duty to come into [ponies'] dreams," and offers Scootaloo guidance in facing her fears.
Luna's face on the moon in Scootaloo's nightmare.
Luna makes a similar appearance in Sweetie Belle's dreams in For Whom the Sweetie Belle Toils and shows Sweetie Belle visions of her past, the present, and Rarity's future.
In Bloom & Gloom, Luna visits Apple Bloom's nightmare to comfort her cutie mark anxieties, and also brings Sweetie and Scootaloo into the dream.
In Do Princesses Dream of Magic Sheep?, Princess Luna hunts down the Tantabus, a nightmare creature she created that haunts the Mane Six's dreams. She jumps from dream to dream and also creates a dream that everyone in Ponyville shares
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it shows only two books, the one I mentioned and the elements of harmony guidebook which has very limited information, which I know because I also possess and have read that book
The bat ponies are not immortal similar to how Celestia’s guards are not immortal, therefore they are not personally loyal to Luna as this would be the first time they had ever met her.
I don’t disagree that Celestia may not have done Luna’s job but if she didn’t that means that the ponies were perfectly fine without Luna guiding their dreams for a thousand years.
And yet, things like that happened for one thousand years before Luna returned. Her dream watching is useful and solves problems but it is not something that if it were missing would end equestria. We KNOW this because that exact thing happened for a thousand years.
I notice you chose to ignore my questions and I intend to repeat them.
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few other book still which you look perfect feel on your own!
and
why f-- ask that you can clear check what ground I with on my page!
plus you ask for this!
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I asked because your comments seem to be rather negative without suggestions for improvement. Constructive criticism implies there is something to be corrected and nearly always includes some way to resolve that issue in the context of the story.
Saying things like
Neither explains how to improve things nor does it show that any thing is flawed except the story premise itself. I see similar themes of negativity.
But if I’m wrong and I’m misunderstanding you please say so
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do also see 5 thumb up.
but I mean 1,000 is good enough punishment and you punish Luna after the party of her return? that fuck up!
not enough time rejust to all the history and thing that have happen? or give Luna the time adjust to what happen!
I think celestia should be the diapers not Luna it celestia flaunt all this happen.
if you claim she try to take care of Luna she not fit for the role!
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You probably shouldn't waste your time arguing with somebody typing in an incoherent rage about how angry he is that your story doesn't fit his fetish headcanon.
You'll get a LOT of these people writing diaper fics.
My constructive criticism is that you need more diaper.
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Agreed 100% I promise there will be more to come
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Thank you for the advice, I appreciate it :3 any thoughts on the most recent edits?
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No prob. As I said the most important thing is that we know how the characters feel about each other. Does Celestia want to do this to Luna or not?
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Yes, but not out of spite. She knows it has to be done but rather than doing it reluctantly she intends to take advantage of the opportunity and make it a good thing.