I was thinking of writing a sort of parody/dark AU where converts becomes sex slaves or something like that.

Did somebody beat me to it? And if so, where can I find it?

Given the large amount of trolling that the TCB sub-fandom is known for, I would like to point out that I read the group rules and that this is a completely serious, sincere request for information.

There's a few cloppy stories in this group, but at first glance none appear to have claimed this concept. Even so, you typically write very high quality work so I don't think it would really matter if anyone had beaten you to the concept anyway since you'd just do it better :D

I am greatly looking forward to reading this story.

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I'd say the TCB sub-fandom, at least the one in this group, tend to be more victim of trolling than the source of it, although it'd be difficult for there not to be exceptions.

Have you read some of the TCB stories in the group folders? There are several comedy ones and two clopfics. Click the "299 Stories" (so far) button above and you'll find them. Since those were approved they'll give you a more or less good idea of what's considered to fit well, but I suggest you also check some of Chatoyance's serious works such as 27 Ounces to get a feel for the setting as a whole.

2555832 thanks (ego boost +1)

2555862 I glanced at the "Erotic" folder, but neither one is really what I had in mind (and at least one of them makes some very suspect stylistic choices).

I read the tvtropes page on TCB; I'm not a very good writer, so I'm much more concerned with making it work as a story than with making sure it slots into the universe. Regardless, thanks for the recommendation.

Hehe, no problem. I think reading a good in-universe story is usually a good idea because it makes changing it into an alternate more meaningful, but the gist of the setting is that conversion makes the person into a better version of herself while the world around remains pretty bleak. Evidently such a change for the better can be exploited by 3rd parties, and there are tragic stories with themes such as torturing a human until near death, then converting her so as to cure the effects of the torture then starting it all over again, all the while showing it from the perspective of the torturee, first as a human then as an innocent pony. If you can use these concepts to a commedic effect then by all means, go for it!

2555914 Oops! Forgot to reference your post. Doing it now so you can see there was a reply.

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I'll second the 27 Ounces recommendation. It's a very solid primer for the standard themes explored within the genre. It is not too big a deal to be consistent with any particular universe though; TCB as a whole is a genre, and there are multiple universes contained within it. For example, 27 Ounces occupies what is commonly called the "Chatoverse" which consists primarily of stories written by Chatoyance as well as stories written by other authors specifically intended to fit into her universe. Differences between the universes typically relate to the nature of magic, what state the Earth is in, whether or not the barrier is expanding, etc. It sounds like you want to create your own universe, and that's perfectly ok :)

But it's still a good idea to familiarize yourself with the basics, and I think 27 Ounces communicates that better than a TVTropes article ever could.

I'm not a very good writer

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BlatantLies

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For future reference, you can just edit your initial post to add the reference to it and it will show up as a reply in all the normal ways. No need to make an extra post for it :)

I was thinking of writing a sort of parody/dark AU where converts becomes sex slaves or something like that.

Sounds dark and tragic; I don't like such stories, from the sound of that. But, it's all in the execution. As one author said, "I planted a landmine and tap-danced on it to turn it into a rose bush".

A wild idea recently came to me in a half-awake state, as they often do. What if there was a cross between TCB and Private Nurse; and it was a visual novel. To think of it, just any visual novel in the Conversion Bureau universe would be terrific. One can dream...

P.S. On a more realistic note, a real VN must be require a huge investment of effort, but there are things like Undum (example games: The Play, Almost Goodbye).

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For future reference, you can just edit your initial post to add the reference to it and it will show up as a reply in all the normal ways. No need to make an extra post for it :)

Ah, awesome! Living and learning! Thanks!

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Sounds dark and tragic.

Not necessarily. It could be, let's say, a cross between TCB and Gor. Converted humans become not only better but much more lustful than their former human selves, and that in a Gorean style in which being a sex slave is actually something positive.

I don't think I'd be much interested in actually reading that as I'm not into erotica or porn, but that such a premise can avoid being dark or tragic, it can. It's just a matter of the author being talented enough.

2556092 Fair point, but I'm always skeptical of reading anything longer than 50k words. Plus, from what I've seen of Chatoyance's writing, there's a lot of really blunt, to-the-point narration. That's not always bad, but I've been trying to break away from that style in my own writing, and so I've been trying to avoid reading stories that rely on it.

2556769 2556437 Well, never read Gor, so can't comment on that. One of the great things about fetish-heavy stories, however, is that there is always going to be some who are disgusted by it, and some who are not--sort of a kinky corollary to Poe's Law, if you will. I figured the former fit in with the parody/Dark AU part and the latter fit in with the wish fulfillment aspects TCB is popularly known for.

Still just a concept, though, so who knows.

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what I've seen of Chatoyance's writing, there's a lot of really blunt, to-the-point narration

What's the opposite way of narration and what are the good examples of it, fanfiction or otherwise?
P.S. I guess I have no easier way of making interactive fanfiction happen than to write some myself :P

2560278 The opposite way of narration involves giving details and description in a pretty way, in addition to simply telling what's happening. Painting a picture instead of simply reading a script.

Off the top of my head, Terry Pratchett usually strikes a good middle ground; he often uses a lot of dull descriptors, but he sprinkles in some wittier passages here and there.

And after it, mounted on a horse almost as fine as Binky, was a woman. Very definitely. A lot of woman. She was as much woman as you could get in one place without getting two women. She was dressed in chain mail, a shiny 46-D-cup breastplate, and a helmet with horns on it.
— Soul Music

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I'm always skeptical of reading anything longer than 50k words

I don't know if this helps or not, but I'm slooooowly writing a thorough analysis of Chatoyance's themes in her TCB stories, formatted as a FAQ instead of as an essay (I feel that'd be easier and less tiresome for others to read). So far I've put online only one of the several "questions" I'm working on, but it could give you a general feel for the setting without going and reading the core works themselves. You'll find it here: TCB as Christian Metaphor.

2562427 Damn, TCB stories have way more baggage than I first assumed.

Thanks for the primer--it has greatly reaffirmed my decision to ignore all pre-existing canon and play it by ear

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Damn, TCB stories have way more baggage than I first assumed.

Yes, they do. Most criticisms I see around are based on misunderstandings and superficial reading, which is one reason I'm writing this thing.

Thanks for the primer--it has greatly reaffirmed my decision to ignore all pre-existing canon and play it by ear

LOL! I can see how is that!

However, what has been seen cannot be unseen.

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ignore all pre-existing canon and play it by ear

I can very well understand this, but I wonder: why would you want to write a parody/AU story if you are not familiar with the canon?

2748940 I don't treat fanfiction as an immutable set of rules and conventions. Certainly one reason people read and write fanfiction is familiarity. But I've always found my favorite fics are ones that provide a fresh perspective, not those that just rehash things I could get elsewhere.

I think that's one reason why people like FIM as a fanfiction world to begin with. The characters are archetypal without being static, and the world has rules and atmosphere while still leaving room for interpretation.

The TCB verse is no different. It's defining aspects (mutagenic goo, transformation, and introspection/perspective, et al.) are very malleable. The abundance of interpretations shouldn't need evidence, given that the original author disowned it, one of the popularizers of the sub-genre (Chatoyance) is so polarizing, and there's at least three separate groups dedicated to it (two intent on playing it straight and another on subverting it).

In short, I thought that my idea for a plot (using sex to explore a character) synced up with the TCB verse. I could be wrong, as always. I've got about 2/3rds of a chapter to finish before I start hunting for editors, so you can always wait until I post it and judge for yourself

But I've always found my favorite fics are ones that provide a fresh perspective, not those that just rehash things I could get elsewhere.

The thing is, if you are not familiar with the thing you are parodying, how can you know whether your take on it is fresh or not? Also, shouldn't parody/AU be the rehash of the original, in a way?

I don't understand how one can or why one should try to write an anti Conversion Bureau fic: if it is about conversion of humans into ponies, then it is a Conversion Bureau story; isn't it? If you provide a different perspective on the characters and the situations - well, that's writers do, am I right?

Anyway, of course I'm interested to see what you come up with.

P.S. That's just me, but I don't like the fact that many seem to call all Mature fiction clopfics, because, as I have figured,

A clopfic is a pornographic fiction centered around ponies.

It is often used dismissively if the person in question doesn't like porn, or finds that they tend to be badly written.
And you normally don't call the things you like pornography. But the it seems that the word stuck, anyway. It's such a short and easy one, I guess.

2754408 Well, the story is up now, so you can judge it for yourself, instead of just watching me be all theoretical and whatnot.

As with anything I write, comments/critique is welcome.

2906143 You finished it! Congratulations!
Honestly, as a wannabe writer, I feel that congratulations are in order when one finishes anything. But I don't just sit here content with my status of a wannabe: I've kickstarted a Russian Pony Writing Prompt and organize a programming training to be able to try myself in interactive fiction.
Ok, let's see. The story has gathered the usual share of dislikes, probably "justified" by it belonging to TCB. Now let's see if people actually like it. AFAIK the wave of dislikes tends to come first, the people who actually read and like or dislike based on that, come later.
Don't you think the warning

Warning; Plot With Porn.

is excessive? I mean, you have already tagged it with "Mature · Sex".

2909897 Well, it only took me 6+ weeks, but your congratulations are nevertheless appreciated

The PWP warning is actually for the "Plot" part; since my previous stories focus exclusively on fetishy sex, I did not want to mislead my watchers who were expecting another one of those. It seemed the most concise way to put it while still being honest

2909930 A-ha, like this?:

Warning: The porn in this story is complimented with gratuitous amount of plot and character development and may potentially cause extremely negative reactions due to its content. Readers unaccustomed to such material are advised to look elsewhere or proceed at their own risk.

2909994 While certainly thorough, it sort of misses the "concise" bit

2910042 Is it that necessary? This seems to be a recurring theme in all of my writing, though. Coupled with the fact that I write slowly, it turns out that I simply cannot write anything with a meaningful plot in an hour. The best comments I got on for my writing on a prompt were along the lines of "nice, even though without a plot". With my wordy writing, the plot simply does not fit in <400 Russian words I manage to write in an hour. Well, at least I started and now that I know my shortcomings, I'll see what can I do and where I can go from here.

2910070 Stories are one thing, but a description should be as short as possible in my experience--the longer it is, the less likely people are to read most of it

2910080 I don't buy it. Short and to the point, surely. But if they are not going to care enough to read a description of reasonable length, there's no reason to think they will read a story.
Added: Well, maybe what I wrote is actually long for a description, but what you wrote is definitely short IMO. It looks lazy, and if the author is lazy to write a nice description, why should the reader expect that the story is nice?

2910094 Lol, clop readers don't have time for that--we have things to do *nudge*

2910104 I'm reviled by the way you think of your readers. They deserve respect. And I'm a prune, yes, thank you very much.

2910210 I love my readers--when you love something, it's natural to poke a little fun at it

2910222 Humor, my nemesis. Defeated, again.

..I was re-reading blogs by PeachClover, and found there interesting remark:

I would also like to pimp a book I got recently, The Showroom. In this book, a sexbot fun house has popped up in the city which is changing the lives of people who live there. They discover a lot about themselves while interacting with “dolls” that were originally only intended to pleasure. The book does not contain detailed descriptions of sex, which does not disappoint me at all, because the story is so rich.

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I think I like same idea about change what may come this way, while I tend to think today this promise of wholesome change from just doing {good, and for me definition of good seems to be making it work for other, so resulting light will provide you pleasure, not just seeking i-pleasure directly} sex mostly never work .. well, with humans, anyway. But what if other being is not human , but pony, and not just pony - but pony from my favourite Chatoyanceverse? IIRC magic from those ponies was relatively harmless, until they tried to focus it, like unicorns, or use you as conductor. But then there was story where thaumatic radiation was much stronger - I think this was partially plot device against too intimate contacts?

So, basic idea is simple - because a lot of (male) brony fandom tend to be so ...sexy, well, they will get more that they asked for, namely pony-level of empathical awareness, and other interesting defining features of pony psychology (but probably not true magic yet), so they will be unable to spread this change just as like it was done to them..

There is interesting twist - at least in early/most popular human/pony shippings real reality of non-human as partner, very bodiely difference usually not presented as something worth thinking too much about? You might be surprized, but I was reading this book - and found it interesting and partially cross-related to my own life story. This lead me to strange places, and I had a lot of stuff to think about. I mean, for me it was important because I allowed myself to think _seriously_ about what sex/love may (or should) mean, in very broad context.

I'm not sure if it should be clopfic, may be there even should be distinctive category for such sub-sub-genre? Not sure if anyone will write anything like this, and for example for me even such very desirable outcome as very lasting/forever change in psychology is not a prompt to even imaginable fast-track to sex - I don't do sex, and not sure if I ever should - but some very non-cliche thinking about what love may really mean would be much welcomed by me.

Oh, well, because I simply don't know where to put this (I remember there was discussion about should kids show talk about sex or not).

This specific author apparently not against this idea.
'I Watched a New Show About Sex for Teens — Here’s Why I’d Show It To My Kids' - Oct, 6, 2020

I can still see teens eye-rolling their way through some parts, but that doesn’t mean they won’t be secretly taking notes. There isn’t even a hint of shame around sexuality in the series, and I love that the general agreement of the show is that encounters with sex will happen at this age.

It does feel like this series leans heteronormative, which I believe could be easily remedied. Emphasis on the dynamics of queer sex, for example, and more discussion of it in the interviews, animations and cold opens would be great.

I’d still show About Sex to my kids, while pointing out my issue with the fact that there’s barely a hint of queer sexual dynamics. It is a show about sex primarily and more generally, for sure, but that doesn't mean that there can't be some specificity, since the dynamics of queer sex can be different from heterosexual sex.

- well, guess this is what I can call progressive thinking!

but somewhat I personally still prefer to stay out of this kind of relations..... But my own odd preferences shouldn't mean others should suffer!
if only humans were like ponies psychologically...