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  • Sunset Shimmer faced having consequences for her villainous actions (which are far lesser compared to Starlight's crimes) and rightfully receives scorn from everyone around her, all of them not being so willing to forgive her that easily, to the point where even the Humane Five still isn't that comfortable with her, along with them not even inviting her to join the Rainbooms, thus pushing her to work hard to try and earn everyone's trust and forgiveness.
  • Starlight receives no consequences whatsoever for indoctrinating ponies and messing with the very fabric of time out of petty revenge and because of a pathetically childish motivation of her friend moving away when she was little (compared to Apple Bloom who actually handled losing her friend Twist like an adult and sought out new ones), instead of having forgiveness handed to her on a silver platter by the same ponies she wronged without doing anything to earn it.
  • Sunset is wracked with guilt and regret during her redemption arc because literally everyone around her scrutinizes her, constantly giving her shit, talking about her behind her back, and reminding her of the bad things she did as a villain.
  • Starlight is wracked with guilt and regret for pretty much no reason because literally nobody gives her shit for her villainous ways or bares even the slightest grudge against her, resulting in her only personality trait being having a guilt complex and always saying "I'm sorry for what I did".
  • Sunset's redemption comes full circle during the Rainboom's final battle with the sirens when they actually lose and need Sunset to help them try again which leads to them defeating the Dazzlings, thanks to Sunset being forced to get off her ass and deal with the problem bugging her, giving her one of three standout moments where she truly shows how far her redemption has come (the second time when she literally turned into seraphim to bring Sci-Twi down to Earth the same way the Humane Six did for her, and the third time when she sacrificed her own memories to save her friends).
  • Starlight has nothing like that, the writers instead contriving conflicts to make her look good by artificially inflating her magical power/making all the usually competent main characters either completely useless so that Starlight can be the only one who can save the day (To Where and Back Again and Equestria Girls: Mirror Magic) or hold the idiot ball so she can be the most competent character in the room (Shadow Play and Marks for Effort) as if the writers are screaming at the viewers "LIKE HER! SHE'S THE MOST SPECIALIST OF PONIES! YOU HAVE TO LIKE HER!".
  • Sunset is almost always onscreen with the Humane Six either together or individually and thus constantly works off their different personalities in various entertaining ways.
  • Starlight's episodes are few and far between and she's so bland in comparison to the Mane Six' personalities, she gets stapled to much more entertaining and developed characters who steal the spotlight in her own episodes (Trixie, Discord, Thorax, Maud, etc), to the point where she could be swapped out with literally any of the Mane Six.
  • Sunset has her moments of getting frustrated from putting pressure on herself, snapping at others as a result of it, fearing she'll let everyone down, has one or two minor selfish moments and even has a hot competitive streak but she never outright takes a step backward into her villainous ways, overall just having general personality issues that literally any human being can have.
  • Starlight does absolutely nothing to change for the better, is completely incapable of facing a problem in a level-headed way, has a total lack of impulse control and still struggles with the most basic concepts of right and wrong, constantly:

Another problem I had with Starlight Glimmer's terrible redemption is that she never actually bothers to be better and face the actual consequences of her actions. The Mane 6 and everyone else was so weirdly chill around her despite the terrible brainwashing and slavery she committed to them, which I find to be very alarming, especially when compared to how in The Equestria Girls movie everyone was ready to beat the living hell out of Sunset after she turned into a tyrannical she-demon.

Sometimes Starlight does admit that she made a mistake, but that just doesn’t seem enough to me because everyone around her is in such a hurry to forgive her and tell her “It’s okay Starly, you’re trying your best.” and that’s what annoys me the most about her.

Starlight received no consequences whatsoever for indoctrinating ponies and messing with the very fabric of time out of petty revenge and because of a pathetically childish motivation of her friend moving away when she was little (compared to Apple Bloom who actually handled losing her friend Twist like an adult and sought out new ones), instead of having forgiveness handed to her on a silver platter by the same ponies she wronged without doing anything to earn it. Not to mention, After she was reformed, she still Relapsed into her villainous ways. For example:

  1. Mind-controlling the Mane Six in Every Little Thing She Does and seeing nothing wrong with what she did until Twilight told her otherwise.
  2. Throwing the kingdom into chaos by forcibly swapping Celestia and Luna's cutie marks and powers and joking about how they had no choice in the matter in A Royal Problem.
  3. Encouraging Twilight to reopen her School of Friendship which Neighsay shut down for completely valid reasons such as poor management, unqualified teachers, and the students being endangered. (Ironic, ain't it? Starlight of all ponies telling someone to enforce their will, regardless of what anyone says.)
  4. Disturbingly studying a hypnosis book in her spare time and deciding that using it to hypnotize her own mentor was the best way to make her overcome a childhood fear in Starlight The Hypnotist.
  5. Formulating horrible plans that only work out of sheer dumb luck.
  6. Putting the changeling hive in danger by luring a monster to it into Change A Changeling.
  7. Again, throwing the kingdom into chaos by forcibly swapping Celestia and Luna's cutie marks and powers in the episode A Royal Problem.
  8. Overreacting to situations which leads to her making incredibly shitty and callous decisions
  9. Age-regressing Sunburst in Uncommon Bond. (Twilight even acknowledges the fact that Starlight overreacts to everything: "Starlight does have a tendency to overdo.")
  10. She trades away Trixie's wagon without her consent in Road To Friendship even though it didn't belong to her and thus wasn't hers to trade, seeing nothing wrong with what she did, not giving a shit about how much the trade clearly hurt Trixie, getting angry at her for rightfully being upset about it (which is flat-out emotional abuse) and only deciding to get Trixie's wagon back because she realized she couldn't pull the new wagon by herself.

And she gets off scot-free or gets rewarded every single time either because "she meant well", she gave a feeble apology, there was conveniently a way to undo the damage she did or it only worked out in the end out of pure luck. And in spite of all these terrible and reckless decisions, she got given a massive amount of status and privilege, became allowed to stay in a member of royalty's home as their student and even become a guidance counselor at their school, along with the writers passing off these awful actions as cute personality quirks.

To Me, Starlight DESERVED to face the consequences for her actions and she NEEDED to be punished more because she didn’t face anything for what she has done as a villain, aka changing the damn history of Equestria!

Do you agree or disagree with my reasons?

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The one I disagreed with was starlight facing guilt for no reason, because she should even if other people somehow have little problem with her

Niehgsay had good points but was xenophobic with his attitude and so I would encourage twi to keep going with the school to stick it to him

I agree with the other reasons

Funny enough I refuse to forgive starlight after all these years but have liked and accepted the redemption of a villain in another cartoon who almost destroyed her planet just to spite her former best friend in a fit of anger

Talking about catra from she ra

A lot of my hatred for Starlight has diminished greatly. Yeah, her redemption arc sucked, but what's done is done, and hopefully people will learn from it in future animations.

Nowadays, my main problem with Starlight, is that she's boring.

Seriously. aside from her annoying inability to actually stop and think before she acts, what is so special about this character? She's "nice"? So is most of the cast! She's good at magic? So is Twilight! She's a reformed villain? So are Discord and Trixie!

What can I get from Starlight that I literally cannot get from any other character on the show? Being Super Special Awesome is not the same thing as having a personality.

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i think Catra is more forgivable cause her backstory is better then “my friend moved away and I’m too stupid to write a letter.

7281685 Absolutely agree with you on ALL those points.
Especially the one about Apple Bloom being more of an adult about losing her friend Twist (I mean, what was she approximately in that episode, like around eight-ten years old, or so?).
ALL of that, but most ESPECIALLY the bit about " so she can be the most competent character in the room (Shadow Play and Marks for Effort) as if the writers are screaming at the viewers "LIKE HER! SHE'S THE MOST SPECIALIST OF PONIES! YOU HAVE TO LIKE HER!".".

THAT is just EXACTLY why I despise her to this day, and I will NEVER put her in ANY of my stories, EVER!

As far as I'M concerned, although I do plan on using stuff past Season 5 (maybe. Still noodling on it, as I still, to a point, don't like Twi as an alicorn, and generally don't write her as such. Entirely depends on my mood at the time if I do, actually), Glimmer will definitely, decidedly NOT be in any of them.

Sorry former FiM writing staff.
Them's just the breaks.

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Imagine wasting so much time writing out this pointless list that everyone in this group is going to agree with anyways lmao

Echo chamber go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

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I agree with all this aswell!

I was actually making a similar list:

It's still a wip. I'll clean it up and add screenshots for each point. I'll definately add some more based on your list!


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If it was so obvious, then we didn't need you commenting on it, did we?

*Insert reference to dumb meme here*

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Thanks For agreeing with my points. One last thing I should mention is that Hasbro also doesn't seem to realize that not everyone can be forgiven for their actions, and you can't just get off scot-free with no consequences if you've done horrible crimes, we've seen it happen with Starlight, the Changelings sans Chrysalis, I'd say Stygian, and Tempest Shadow.

Wouldn't you agree?

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That's very well said, you explained which character is better in a shorter way than I did.

One last thing I should mention is that Hasbro and MLP: FIM also doesn't seem to realize that not everyone can be forgiven for their actions, and you can't just get off scot-free with no consequences if you've done horrible crimes, we've seen it happen with Starlight, the Changelings sans Chrysalis, I'd say Stygian and Tempest Shadow.

Wouldn't you agree?

7291031 You're very welcome.

And absolutely, especially where Starlight is concerned.
I mean, she basically tried to completely re-write history (Twilight's, yes, but that stupidity also effected everypony else, too!), and all she got was a slap on the hoof (heck, Sunset got blasted into the bottom of a crater by an Orbital Friendship Laser (patent pending) at least!)!

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I'm glad you agree, and I also agree with that statement of yours. The Difference between Sunset and Starlight's redemptions to me that Sunset earned her right to be redeemed while Starlight was handed redemption on a silver platter by Twilight.

7359225 Yes, I do, thank you, and EXACTLY!!!

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You're welcome, and I'm glad you can agree with my points.

Also, I hope you don't mind me telling you this, but Trixie was never my favorite character of the series even when she first appeared.

The only thing I could describe her In the show is An Egocentric, Narcissistic Brat with with severe attention-grabbing issues. I would've been fine with her if she was just telling tales, but the fact she views herself as the "most magical unicorn" and claimed she was better at anything than everyone is pretty much bullshit and false. The fact that Trixie views herself as "Great And Powerful" just makes her Delusional and Arrogant. I think those two traits would suit her more. I mean, why would anyone want to be friends with that Brat?

Do you agree with me or not?

7359728 :twilightsmile::pinkiehappy:

I don't mind at all, as I haven't liked her since she first debuted in Season 1's "Boast Busters", and Season 3's "Magic Duel" just cemented my dislike of her.
For...somewhat OBVIOUS reasons.

Very well put, and I absolutely do.

And the fact that her bragging in "Boast Busters" caused Snips and Snails to idolize her to the point that they (Snips, actually) got the "genius" idea to lure a danged Ursa Minor into Ponyville for her to "vanquish" absolutely did NOT help her cause any for me.

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Spike was the one who egged them on.

7359842 Well, that IS true.
But he was, I think, just trying to get through to them that Trixie was all bluster and that when she bragged about "vanquishing an ursa major", it was just a lot of hooey.
BUT!
If Trixie hadn't been saying that in the FIRST place, it never would've gotten INTO their heads to do it in the first place.

So, from where I'm standing, yes, Spike IS just as guilty as those two are with the ursa thing, but Trixie got it going first.

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I pretty much can agree with those reasons of yours.

Also, I have A Few ideas for how Starlight Glimmer could've remained as A Villain.

Wanna Hear it? If you have any criticisms, let me know.

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While I possibly hate sunset as much as I hate starlight I do agree with some of these.

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