DANNYJ WATCHES: SNYDER LEAGUE · 11:29am Mar 20th, 2021
So I watched the Snyder cut of Justice League yesterday. Since my commentary on Game of Thrones was positively received, I figured I'd do another for y'all. Spoilers below the break for Snyder League and probably a bunch of other old superhero movies. Oh, and... Fallout 3, I guess?
DannyJ — Yesterday at 7:35 PM
ROIGHT.
I'mma be watching Snyder League now.
And once again, I'm out of alcohol in the house, so this'll be a sober sojourn.
I hope I can count on the rest of you to numb my pain for the next four hours, since I don't think my tea's gonna cut it.Jake — Yesterday at 7:38 PM
Considering everyone else is offline, you only have me here.
So you being sober will be all the more painful.DannyJ — Yesterday at 7:39 PM
Well, it's around midday for the Americans, so I'm sure they can drop in for at least a few minutes.
Anyway, time to bite the bullet. Wish me luck.
Oh. Or I would be starting if the video player were working.
We're off to a good start.
I'm going to keep trying with this, but I may just be shit out of luck here.
I hope I'm not, because that would be rather an anticlimax after waiting all day for it, but that may just be the situation.
Oh no, I got it!
Excellent.
LET'S GO LADS.
As a reminder, I haven't seen Josstice League at all, though I have been fully spoiled on it, so most of this will be new to me either way.
Looks like we're opening on a stylistic recap of the climax of Bullshit V Supershit.
Oh, Cyborg is here.
I guess he was in some house nearby during the climax of BVS?
Lex Luthor is still in Zod's ship...Posh — Yesterday at 7:49 PM
Wouldn’t you be?DannyJ — Yesterday at 7:49 PM
An Atlantean, I think, hearing the shockwaves of Superman screaming.
Wouldn't I be what?
There's lots of vibrating cubes in this opening.
I think I remember something about these cubes being important in Josstice League.
Now we're with the Amazons.
Why does Superman screaming activate these cubes all around the world?
It wasn't even a particularly loud scream.
Batman was standing right next to it, and he still has eardrums.
So was it just a magic alien scream?
Or do these cubes all have particularly sensitive ears?
Dramatic music building up to some guy riding a horse over mountains.
Guessing this is Bruce.
Yeah.
I think he's going to meet Aquaman.
I remember this fishing village from a trailer.
"Part 1 - Don't Count on it, Batman."
Titles.
Hmm.
And this is Iceland, apparently.
Yeah, Batman's trying to recruit Aquaman.
So he's already known as the Aquaman.
I haven't watched the Aquaman movie, so I don't know if this makes sense or not.
But I guess those files Wondy stole in BVS were really comprehensive for Bruce to know all this shit.
...Aaaaaaand apparently he just outright tells the guy after minutes of knowing him that he dresses up as a bat and fights crime.
No wonder Lex figured out his secret identity. He obviously doesn't guard it very closely.Posh — Yesterday at 7:59 PM
how will this impact borderworld canonDannyJ — Yesterday at 8:00 PM
They even talk about Batman shit in front of this whole village.
And we hold for a long time on the singing villagers.
Ma Kent scene now.
She sold the farm. Oh no.
And we're done with that already, I guess.
Oh yeah, Alfred is Jeremy Irons in this universe.
I remember liking his performance in BVS.
And now Loise Lane.
The pace has picked up all of a sudden.
"They told us our gods would outlive us."
Very on-the-nose music choice here.
Very Snyder.
Oh hey, a black Superman flag over tower bridge in London.
Nice touch.
Right, first action scene of the movie. Looks like a heist going on in London...
They're just shooting random-ass people in... a bank, I think?
So now it's a hostage situation.
Okay, Wondy's here.
So this is her introduction, effectively.
Why does she explain how the Lasso of Truth works to the guy she's interrogating?
He didn't even ask.
And he says they're reactionary terrorists who want to turn back the clock a thousand years.
So neo-Luddites?
Anarcho-primitivists?
And they think the way to do this is just destroying a huge part of the city with a really big bomb?
Just... randomly?
Why did they need to shoot up this bank to do that, then?Jake — Yesterday at 8:10 PM
Questioning weird writing choices already, huh?
You still have three hours and 45 minutes to go.DannyJ — Yesterday at 8:10 PM
I know.
God help me.
Okay, so now the actual fight.
So, something that's always confused me.
Wonder Woman always dodges these bullets.
Is she not actually bulletproof?
Because if not, that's a hell of a weakness compared to Superman.Jake — Yesterday at 8:11 PM
Depends on who you ask.DannyJ — Yesterday at 8:11 PM
I always thought they were roughly on the same level.Jake — Yesterday at 8:11 PM
From what I always remember, Wonder Woman always deflects bullets with her wrist bands.
She does this in the animated Justice League series.DannyJ — Yesterday at 8:12 PM
Anyway, so she threw the bomb into the air, and now the terrorist is just gonna shoot all the hostages instead.
I don't see what this accomplishes if the goal is to destroy civilization itself.
These guys did not have a very well thought out plan.
Also, if the bomb was that huge, how were they planning to survive it?
And if they didn't survive it, how were they planning to ensure that civilization didn't just rebuild and continue as normal?
I do like Wondy's moment with the children afterwards, though.Posh — Yesterday at 8:14 PM
It’s hard to rebuild civilization after you blow it up
they made a whole fallout about itDannyJ — Yesterday at 8:14 PM
Yeah, but this isn't a nuke or anything.
It's just... some suitcase bomb.
Wondy literally foils the plot by just throwing it high in the air and it detonates in the sky.
It's not even city-destroying. Especially not a city the size of London.
It's just weird and nonsensical.
Anyway, back to Themyscira (if that's how it's spelled?)
Mother Box. Okay. That's what it's called.
I'm glad that all of the characters are just as confused by why it's acting up now as I am.
And from a portal opened by the box... Steppenwolf, I think his name is?
This is just Loki's first scene from Avengers.
There's even a cube which summons portals.
I don't know if we're meant to recognise any of these Amazons or not.
I didn't watch the first Wonder Woman, and I don't remember if it released before Josstice League anyway.
But these are all no-names to me.
See, when Loki showed up in Avengers and kicked everyone's asses, we already knew every character in that room, so we cared when they were getting their asses kicked or their brains molested.
Here it's just kind of empty spectacle.
But hey, at least the lady did an Indiana Jones under the door slide.
That's cool I guess.
Yeah, the whole temple is collapsing like in Avengers, it's just like Ave— IT'S JUST FUCKING AVENGERS.Posh — Yesterday at 8:23 PM
Did anybody really know Hawkeye thoughDannyJ — Yesterday at 8:23 PM
Kinda. He was in Thor.
So Loki's jumping across the battlefield, throwing their horses around, getting shot full of arrows.
This is something new at least.
I still don't really know who this guy is or why any of this is happening.
But in fairness, I'm not really paying much attention.
So maybe this is a me problem.Posh — Yesterday at 8:26 PM
Nobody saw Thor.DannyJ — Yesterday at 8:27 PM
I saw Thor.
And I liked it at the time.Posh — Yesterday at 8:27 PM
You only think you saw Thor.DannyJ — Yesterday at 8:27 PM
Which MCU movies have you even seen?
Oh no, some lady died!
I don't know her name, but the music is sad.
So I assume this is sad.
I think she was the queen?
Was she Wondy's mom?
Wondermom?
Oh wait, no, the subtitles are calling the surviving woman Hippolyta.
I think she's Wondermom, if I know my DC lore right.Posh — Yesterday at 8:29 PM
Ye.DannyJ — Yesterday at 8:30 PM
"Part 2 - The Age of Heroes."
Yay.
According to the subtitles, the chitauri are called parademons in this movie.
I think Steppenwolf is invading a nuclear reactor now.
Kay, now the Flash.Posh — Yesterday at 8:31 PM
It was me, Barry.DannyJ — Yesterday at 8:33 PM
Okay, so apparently Lex Luthor warned that there would be a big attack sometime soon, but Batman insists that what he's doing has nothing to do with that, and apparently isn't aware of what's going on with Steppenwolf.
So all this shit about assembling the Justice League really is just a coincidence.
He's doing it all because Superman dying made him sad, and other super-people exist, so he has to assemble them.
Gotta say, I'm really not feeling this motivation.Posh — Yesterday at 8:34 PM
I think it’s a fair response to a big asteroid man landing in the middle of the city and punching people.DannyJ — Yesterday at 8:34 PM
Big asteroid man was Kryptonian fuckery, though. And Lex Luthor's fault.
With Superman and Lex both out of the picture, they shouldn't be expecting any worse.Posh — Yesterday at 8:35 PM
I’m just saying, I don’t think it’s a stretch for Batfleck to form a superhero punch league in response to that.
Fury didn’t know Loki was coming when he showed up at the end of Iron Man.DannyJ — Yesterday at 8:36 PM
Not precisely, no, but he did already know about the Tesseract and alien life.Posh — Yesterday at 8:37 PM
So if you’re batman, and alien punchmen just punched their way through a city, and then another punchman showed up later
I’m just saying, to me, it makes sense. He was already nervous about Superman, and just because he and Doomsday were dead, didn’t mean there wouldn’t be another big scary alien punchman in the future.
It makes sense that he’d want to prepare sooner, not later.DannyJ — Yesterday at 8:39 PM
Which is fair enough, I guess, but I don't know why that entails recruiting other punchmen.Posh — Yesterday at 8:39 PM
You want all the punchmen on your side.DannyJ — Yesterday at 8:39 PM
When he thought Superman was a threat, he built a kryptonite spear.
Personally, I think the next logical step would be to stockpile shitloads of kryptonite.Posh — Yesterday at 8:40 PM
next one might need more than kryptoniteDannyJ — Yesterday at 8:40 PM
And kryptonite-bomb the fuck out of the next alien punchman.Posh — Yesterday at 8:40 PM
Suppose the next one isn’t vulnerable to kryptoniteDannyJ — Yesterday at 8:41 PM
Devote all of Wayne Enterprises' resources to building the next big cosmic fuck you.
I mean, if Batman's already planning for the next alien threat, you gotta figure the governments of Earth are too.
Maybe it would make sense for Bruce Wayne, professional rich person, to get onboard with that.Posh — Yesterday at 8:42 PM
Yeah, they made a movie about that
it was called suicide squad
Nobody likes it
because it’s bad.DannyJ — Yesterday at 8:42 PM
Oof.
Yeah, point taken.
Anyway, let's see what the fuck else this movie is doing...
We're in a lab. Gonna preemptively guess that this is Cyborg stuff.
@Draven Where you at?
Entertain me while I watch Snyder League.
So aliens killed the janitor. Oh no?Jake — Yesterday at 8:45 PM
Listen man, janitors are underappreciated.DannyJ — Yesterday at 8:46 PM
I don't know what the aliens were there for, though.Jake — Yesterday at 8:46 PM
To kill the janitor.
Duh.DannyJ — Yesterday at 8:46 PM
The Amazons are firing some magic arrow to warn Wondy.Posh — Yesterday at 8:46 PM
It’s the janitor from scrubs
they needed to take him out
because he was a high priority target.DannyJ — Yesterday at 8:47 PM
...Hey, why don't they get that weird valkyrie-looking golden armour from Wonder Woman 1984 and use that to fight the space bugs?
Is this meant to be in continuity with 1984?
I mean, she is working in a museum, apparently...
Is this meant to be in continuity with Shazam?Posh — Yesterday at 8:50 PM
I think Snyder is just doing his own thing
this isn’t getting a sequel.Jake — Yesterday at 8:50 PM
You're asking a lot of questions that none of us know the answer to.DannyJ — Yesterday at 8:50 PM
Is this meant to be in continuity with Suicide Squad?Jake — Yesterday at 8:50 PM
I'm just here to witness your mental breakdown the further the movie goes on for.DannyJ — Yesterday at 8:50 PM
Is this meant to be in continuity with the Suicide Squad reboot?Jake — Yesterday at 8:50 PM
I already know the movie won't convince you to like it.DannyJ — Yesterday at 8:51 PM
Is this meant to be in continuity with Joker?
Is this meant to be in continuity with The Dark Knight?
Is this meant to be in continuity with Christopher Reeve?Jake — Yesterday at 8:51 PM
Your breakdown is already that far, huh?Posh — Yesterday at 8:52 PM
I believe it’s in continuity with The Superfriends.DannyJ — Yesterday at 8:52 PM
Kay. So Cyborg has one of the cubes, so that's how he ties into the plot.
And the bug alien was looking for it.Jake — Yesterday at 8:53 PM
If you didn't know, Cyborg's origin is that he fused with one of those cubes. Hi father attached it to him to save his life.DannyJ — Yesterday at 8:53 PM
Uh-huh.Jake — Yesterday at 8:54 PM
I know, very fascinating.DannyJ — Yesterday at 8:54 PM
So Wondy's in this ancient Amazon shrine, I guess. And she picked up an arrow and put it in a wall.
She got past security real easy.
Where the hell is this place anyway?
This sure as shit ain't England.Jake — Yesterday at 8:54 PM
Greeeece...?DannyJ — Yesterday at 8:54 PM
So what's going on?Jake — Yesterday at 8:54 PM
Maybe?DannyJ — Yesterday at 8:54 PM
Why was she in London?Jake — Yesterday at 8:55 PM
You're the one that's watching the movie, you tell me.DannyJ — Yesterday at 8:55 PM
I thought she was meant to be in London.
And actually, wait.
The guy at the museum was speaking French.
So what...?
Oh, and the temple has a picture of Darkseid on the ceiling.
Why does she need to visit the temple to learn all this...?Jake — Yesterday at 8:55 PM
It's a sin to speak French in England.DannyJ — Yesterday at 8:56 PM
What is she learning, anyway?Posh — Yesterday at 8:56 PM
French
this is the temple of duolingoDannyJ — Yesterday at 8:56 PM
If the purpose of the arrow was to warn her of an invasion, shouldn't she be getting back to her home island immediately, help fight off whatever's there, and then they can just tell her who this guy is and why he came to fuck with them?
What is this temple, anyway?
I thought the Amazons all just lived on Themyscira.
Why do they have an abandoned temple in the middle of Frengleece?
Aquaman walking onto a pier in the middle of a storm is a cool moment, at least.
Though, again, really on-the-nose song choice.Posh — Yesterday at 8:58 PM
I hear they edited all his scenes to have spongebob music playing over them.DannyJ — Yesterday at 9:00 PM
Oh, Willem Dafoe is here.
I didn't know he was in this movie.
This is nice.
Suddenly Atlantean politics enter the story.
War with the surface, talk about his heritage, a lot of exposition at once.
I mean, this is kinda interesting. It's better introduced than the Amazon stuff, at least.
Though it's still a little much.
One thing I am kinda curious about, because I'm not too big on DC lore, is how Atlantis and Themyscira are connected.
Because they both originate from Greek mythology, and this movie even implies a direct connection from them both owning Mother Boxes, whatever the hell they're meant to be.
So I want to know what their history together is. If they have a common origin, or contact with each other, or what.
I think that one Amazon earlier referenced Atlantis?
I think.
Okay, Steppenwolf is finally named.
So Skeletor is here is taunting Steppenwolf.
And they referenced the Green Lanterns.
That's cool, I guess. I don't think Green Lantern was in Josstice League, was he?
Which is odd, considering that Green Lantern's usually a founding member of the team.
And that Cyborg wasn't until the New 52.
'Cause Cyborg's supposed to be a Teen Titans characters from what I know.
...Is this meant to be in continuity with Green Lantern?
Bruce and Diana scene. I think he's building the Batplane.
Okay, we're getting Darkseid backstory.
Ah, so the Atlanteans and Amazons do have history!
They fought together against Darkseid.
That's neat.
I was just asking for that, and here it is.Jake — Yesterday at 9:11 PM
Cyborg isn't really part of the Teen Titans. That was just a cartoon thing.
Cyborg is usually always part of the Justice League.DannyJ — Yesterday at 9:12 PM
Darkseid called forth mystics who worshipped the Mother Boxes... which he's on Earth to gather...
This... this is the Infinity Stones plot...Jake — Yesterday at 9:12 PM
Yes.
Yes, it is.DannyJ — Yesterday at 9:13 PM
I'm just gonna start calling him Thanos from now on.
And we actually get to see a Green Lantern in the fight.
Zeus and Ares fought to defend Earth... Wondy calls them heroes...
Didn't she kill Ares in her own movie?Jake — Yesterday at 9:15 PM
I believe she did.DannyJ — Yesterday at 9:15 PM
Thanos killed the Lantern. Shit sucks.
He doesn't even have any dialogue, he just roars and screams.
And one axe wound took him down.Jake — Yesterday at 9:16 PM
Was the Lantern an alien?DannyJ — Yesterday at 9:16 PM
And his ship just got Captain Marveled.
Yeah, he was.Jake — Yesterday at 9:17 PM
Unsurprising, they wouldn't kill a human Lantern.DannyJ — Yesterday at 9:17 PM
Wait, hold on, "no one" had ever sent Thanos packing before?
No one? Really?
In however many eons he was alive for, nobody else ever tried just burying a fucking axe in him?Jake — Yesterday at 9:18 PM
Didn't you just say that Zeus and Ares defended Earth from him?DannyJ — Yesterday at 9:18 PM
Yeah. Them and a few united armies.
Atlanteans and Amazons and such.
But they can't be the only superhuman-level entities in the multiverse.Jake — Yesterday at 9:19 PM
I'm sure the Lanterns fought him.DannyJ — Yesterday at 9:20 PM
Exactly.
And the Mother Boxes apparently belonged to Thanos originally, and were key to his world conquest plans, but he just fucking left them all behind.Jake — Yesterday at 9:21 PM
In any case, Darkseid is a bit of a weird entity, even in the comics.
His motivation is never really that clear.DannyJ — Yesterday at 9:22 PM
So he actually had all his Infinity Stones and just fucking lost them because he's a dumbass.
And it's taken him a thousand years or whatever just to remember where he left them and send his gimp to pick them up.
You'd think they'd remember the supposed only world that ever beat them.
And you'd think Thanos would come get them personally if they were that important to him and he had that kind of deep, personal connection to Earth.
This plot kind of made sense when Loki was talking about it earlier as just one of the fifty thousand worlds he has to conquer for his penance, but now we're right back to stupid bullshit again.
I'm only an hour into this shit. I need to go make more tea.Jake — Yesterday at 9:26 PM
You went into this expecting to not like it.DannyJ — Yesterday at 9:31 PM
No, I said I expected it to be bad. Big difference.
Anyway, resuming.Jake — Yesterday at 9:32 PM
When was the last time you liked something that you expected was going to be bad?DannyJ — Yesterday at 9:32 PM
So I think now they're showing how the Atlanteans, Amazons, and humans respectively sealed away their Infinity Stones. The humans buried theirs and forgot about it. Cool.
Just because something's bad doesn't mean you can't enjoy it.
Look at Posh's stories, for example.Jake — Yesterday at 9:33 PM
Okay good point, but you absolutely expected FiM season 9 to be bad.
It turned out a lot worse than you first thought too.DannyJ — Yesterday at 9:34 PM
I expected it to be both bad and unenjoyable, and was correct on both fronts, but I watched it out of obligation.
Snyder League is different. I don't watch movies if I expect I'll hate them.
I'm watching this because I was expecting Snyder shlock in the vein of BVS, and that's pretty much what I'm getting so far.
"Part 3 - Beloved Mother, Beloved Son."
Central City.
So an hour into the movie, looks like we're finally meeting Flash.
I already find him annoying.Jake — Yesterday at 9:37 PM
Flash is a difficult character to write.DannyJ — Yesterday at 9:37 PM
Right, I think he's about to save this lady from getting hit by a truck.
Kay, Flash is destroying the doors and sidewalks by just walking in super speed. This is a little weird.
It's realistic for super speed, yes, but if this is actually obeying realistic physics, then he's gonna have a hard time actually saving this woman.
I thought Speedforce was invented to skirt around these kinds of questions by making his super speed... not behave like this?
Or maybe I just don't understand how Speedforce works.Jake — Yesterday at 9:40 PM
The Speedforce is whatever the fuck the current writer needs it to do at that moment.
For the most part though, the Speedforce is an otherworldly energy and that's about all we really know what it is.
You can time travel with it too.DannyJ — Yesterday at 9:42 PM
So now Loki is beating the fuck out of the Atlanteans.
"Thousands of years."
So how has Thanos been conquering worlds the past several thousand years without his Infinity Stones? Aren't they essential to his plan?
And Lois Lane still exists. Yay?
I keep forgetting that the Superman characters are in this movie. They show up so little.Jake — Yesterday at 9:44 PM
You still have like two hours to go.
They might show up more later.DannyJ — Yesterday at 9:45 PM
Closer to three hours.
I take back what I said about the pace picking up. The pace is fucked.Jake — Yesterday at 9:47 PM
This is a four hour movie, if it exponentially increased pace with every minute, the movie would be over in the next half hour.DannyJ — Yesterday at 9:47 PM
That's not what I meant, but whatever.Jake — Yesterday at 9:47 PM
Oh, is it going faster? I'm not watching the movie.
I have no clue what the pace is.DannyJ — Yesterday at 9:48 PM
So Cyborg hacked into his school's systems and changed some girl's grades, and the principal (I think) called in his mother to talk about it, but his mother actually defends him and blames the school for the girl failing or... something.
This is a very weird moral argument.Jake — Yesterday at 9:49 PM
Welcome to the American school system.
It's best to not question it.DannyJ — Yesterday at 9:50 PM
And we're also getting a dramatic slow motion football game with pre-cyborg Cyborg.Jake — Yesterday at 9:50 PM
At least it's some backstory.
It's the best he's gonna get.DannyJ — Yesterday at 9:50 PM
I hear a lot of the Cyborg stuff was changed between Josstice League and Snyder League.
And Cybermom died in a car crash immediately after the football game. Cool.
And this is how Cyborg becomes Cyborg I guess.
Cyborg has always been weird to me, and this scene of him discovering his powers is kind of illustrating that.
This technology was just supposed to save his life after a car accident, yet his father turned him into this godly cyborg superbeing.
This tech he's using isn't just way beyond any real world cybernetics or prosthetics we have, it's Tony Stark-tier. Better, in fact.
And Tony Stark was a genius billionaire weapons manufacturer who devoted a good part of his adult life to developing the Iron Man tech.
If Victor's father was using the Infinity Stone as a science shortcut, then that justifies some of this, but the kind of tech that Cyborg has just strains credulity for me, even in a superhero world, because no other technology in the movie's universe even comes close to this.
Except alien stuff like the Kryptonian ship, I guess.
And holy shit, this guy actually just gave his son control of all the world's nukes and economic systems and shit.
Even beyond the how of it all, I have to question WHY?
All that power, and he's giving it to an angsty teen who just survived a major trauma?
This is just plain irresponsible.Posh — Yesterday at 9:59 PM
Tony Stark gave a kill satellite to a teenager
it’s just what you do in superhero moviesDannyJ — Yesterday at 10:00 PM
At least Peter was already a superhero at the time.
And honestly, I disagree with the way he roped Spider-Man into his plans in Civil War anyway.
That was always the one thing that bugged me about that movie. How Iron Man was doing everything because he felt bad about getting some kid killed in Sokovia, and so to atone for it, he recruits another kid to fight in another huge superhero battle for him.
Flash scene with his dad. Character establishing stuff. An hour and a half into the movie.
Batman in the Flash's lair.
Flash says he's Jewish.
Was Barry Allen ever Jewish in any other adaptation?
I feel like this is new.Jake — Yesterday at 10:06 PM
Far as I'm aware, this was never established but I also never read the comics.DannyJ — Yesterday at 10:07 PM
Interesting change. Wonder what the rationale was for that.
Flash is still kinda annoying. And Bruce is unusually snarky in this.
He feels almost like a different character from BVS.Jake — Yesterday at 10:09 PM
Apparently Barry Allen's parents weren't even introduced until 2012.
Wait, that doesn't make sense. This wiki is being fucking weird.DannyJ — Yesterday at 10:11 PM
Cyborg hacked the Batcave computers to arrange a meeting with Wondy.
And then he flew in on a fucking jetpack.
I really have to wonder how nobody has already found Cyborg and tried to either recruit or kill him. He's far from subtle.
When Tony Stark was going around rocking this kinda technology, the government tried to seize it immediately.
And he was far less dangerous than this guy.
Okay, so all the electronics went dark while he was out, and turned back on when he left. Is that supposed to be why nobody already knows him?
Because it's kinda not enough.
Oh, Commissioner Gordon!
Didn't expect this.Jake — Yesterday at 10:18 PM
Who's playing him?DannyJ — Yesterday at 10:18 PM
I don't recognise the actor.Jake — Yesterday at 10:18 PM
I forget who it was in the Dark Knight trilogy.DannyJ — Yesterday at 10:19 PM
He looks superficially similar to Irons as Alfred, though.
Wish they differentiated them a little more.Jake — Yesterday at 10:19 PM
Doesn't Gordon wear glasses?DannyJ — Yesterday at 10:19 PM
He does, but I mean, they look similiar otherwise.
So, more Atlantis. I think Loki's coming to steal their magic box.
Yeah, this movie is officially too long already.
Nearing the two hour mark, and one of the heroes has just met the villain for the first time.
The movie's spent way too long having to introduce all these new characters and get them talking with each other.
Avengers skipped past most of this shit because it actually set up all the characters in their own movies first before bringing them together for the big crossover.Jake — Yesterday at 10:24 PM
That was a complaint of the Josstice League. It never established characters enough and it didn't have them talking.
Which is what this is now doing.DannyJ — Yesterday at 10:25 PM
I mean, it's bad either way.Jake — Yesterday at 10:25 PM
It is.DannyJ — Yesterday at 10:25 PM
Because fundamentally, the problem isn't one that either version of Justice League can solve.
It's a fault of DC's or Warner's poor planning.
The DCEU is a mess and was from the very beginning.
So Loki has two of the Infinity Stones now.
And he's making a big angry red shield.
"Part 4 - Change Machine."Jake — Yesterday at 10:29 PM
Does it say that in the movie or something?Posh — Yesterday at 10:29 PM
Steppenwolf uses a CoinStar to convert loose change into cash.Jake — Yesterday at 10:29 PM
Cause if so, that's kinda dumb.DannyJ — Yesterday at 10:29 PM
And oh, holy shit, at the one hour fifty minute mark, Batman finally shows up in costume.
And finally, the team are together. Or most of them, anyway.Jake — Yesterday at 10:33 PM
What I find most hilarious about these Justice League movies is that the original animated Justice League did a better job to establish previously unknown characters way better.
Remember, before Justice League animated, only two of the members had shows in the same continuity. Batman and Superman.DannyJ — Yesterday at 10:34 PM
Finally, we're getting some superhero action. Wondy's fighting the chitauri.Jake — Yesterday at 10:34 PM
The opener for Justice League animated was an hour and twenty minutes long.DannyJ — Yesterday at 10:34 PM
Batman appears to be... punching a robot.Jake — Yesterday at 10:35 PM
Punching robots is exactly what the world's smartest detective would do.DannyJ — Yesterday at 10:36 PM
Ah, okay, Batman can survive getting shot because he has a gadget on his arm that was established earlier.
It's plausible, I guess.
And Batman has a... giant spider robot?
Mmokay.
Gotta say, Flash is really inconsistent.
His reaction time seems to fluctuate as the scene demands.
There's no clear indicator of how fast he can think, react to threats, and activate his super speed.Jake — Yesterday at 10:42 PM
Has he had the "Quicksilver" scene yet?DannyJ — Yesterday at 10:42 PM
He's had a couple.
But he's nowhere near as competent as Quicksilver.Jake — Yesterday at 10:42 PM
Then that should tell you enough about what his reaction time is supposed to be when he's actually using the Speedforce.
But considering he just needs to run to get the speedforce going, then his reaction time should always be beyond superhuman.DannyJ — Yesterday at 10:43 PM
It's worse than that, though.Jake — Yesterday at 10:43 PM
Like I said, Flash is a difficult character to write for. Not just because of his character, but because of his inconsistent power.DannyJ — Yesterday at 10:44 PM
I mean, at one point in this scene, he actually managed to trip and hurt himself while Speedforce running because he wasn't looking where he was going, despite moving in ultra slow motion from the audience perspective.Jake — Yesterday at 10:44 PM
My point exactly.
His power is only as useful as the writer wants it to be.DannyJ — Yesterday at 10:45 PM
This Flash is just kind of a dumbass.Jake — Yesterday at 10:45 PM
Have you watched that famous Flash scene from the animated Justice League?DannyJ — Yesterday at 10:45 PM
No.Jake — Yesterday at 10:46 PM
He ran around the world so fast that he was basically punching Brainiac at lightspeed.
It's an awesome scene, and it really showcased Flash's proficiency with the power.DannyJ — Yesterday at 10:47 PM
Sounds like typical comics power creep, or an artefact thereof.
And I can understand why they wouldn't want to go that route with this version of the character, because otherwise there's no reason why he shouldn't dominate every fight.Jake — Yesterday at 10:48 PM
Well, the scene ends with him almost dying and never being able to really go that fast again because he wouldn't be able to come back from it.
The Speedforce basically absorbed him because he tapped into it too much by going that fast.DannyJ — Yesterday at 10:48 PM
But if they didn't want Flash to steal every scene like (X-Men) Quicksilver did, then they could've just gone the (MCU) Quicksilver route and made him not so absurdly fast that he automatically negates every threat.
Age of Ultron Quicksilver was fast, but he was still slow enough to get shot.Jake — Yesterday at 10:49 PM
It was really only a one time use, and it at least gave him a consequence for doing that.DannyJ — Yesterday at 10:49 PM
He still got tired.Jake — Yesterday at 10:50 PM
By making Flash go that fast in only one scene, they showed us his true power but it also showed his limit. Him going that fast almost killed him, and after that he never runs that fast again in any future episode.
See what I mean by his power being inconsistent from writer to writer?DannyJ — Yesterday at 10:51 PM
Fucking hell.
Okay, so Loki is talking with Skeletor and Thanos now.
Because he's had this revelation that Earth is the world that fought back, and is therefore where the Anti-Life Equation is located.Jake — Yesterday at 10:52 PM
Skeletor is in this?
What a celebrity to bring in for this movie.DannyJ — Yesterday at 10:52 PM
He's all like, "This is it! This is the world that fought back!"
And...
...Yeah?
Didn't you all already fucking know that?
Y'know, since you were hunting for your lost Infinity Stones here?
This is the world where you just fucking dropped them all thousands of years ago when Ares axed you a question?
This script was not properly edited.
HAHAHA.
Oh wow.
Cyborg's Mother Box was found by the Nazis and recovered after WW2.
It really is the fucking Tesseract.
Bravo, Zack Snyder.Jake — Yesterday at 10:58 PM
Admittedly, I can't blame everything on him. There was still a full team of writers that made this happen.
Whether he told the writers to do that, I don't know. But the writers still had to come up with this shit, and they clearly didn't care as much as they should have.DannyJ — Yesterday at 11:00 PM
So the Infinity Stones rearrange matter, basically. That's how they explained it.
And therefore it made Cyborg into Cyborg.
And they're gonna use it to revive Superman.
So why isn't Superman also a cyborg after being resurrected then?
And the Superman supporting characters finally have dialogue.
I mean, I appreciate the interaction between Lois and Ma Kent...
...But Lois is still boring.
And, oh, huh...
...It wasn't Ma Kent.
It actually appears to be... Martian Manhunter, I think?
That's surely new to Snyder League.
I wonder what his purpose is?
So they're actually saying that the Infinity Stones called out when Superman died because they were afraid of him.
And that's why Superman's scream started the plot at the beginning of the movie.
That's so hilariously dumb.
"Part 5 - All the King's Horses."
Oh great, they're gonna bring the Kryptonian ship and the Mother Box together with Superman's corpse to resurrect him.
I'm with Alfred on this one. This is a terrible idea.
I mean, we know it works, because that's how the plot goes, but I see no reason why this shouldn't result in potato Doomsday 2.0.Jake — Yesterday at 11:14 PM
It is absolutely a terrible idea and there's no real reason for them to do it other than it being a complete last resort.DannyJ — Yesterday at 11:18 PM
Breaking into Star Labs... Cyberdad is helpful... pretty standard so far.
More Lois Lane scenes just before they pull a Luthor...
Every character keeps screaming that this is a bad idea, including the ship's AI, but Batman keeps insisting they keep going anyway.
And we're getting some kind of weird flash forward to a dark alternate timeline where Superman is evil and they all die, while Flash runs around to power the box.
I'm guessing this is what all that bullshit in BVS was meant to foreshadow?Jake — Yesterday at 11:26 PM
I believe so.
I remember a scene from a trailer that showed like a Mad Max future with Batman going through the desert or something.DannyJ — Yesterday at 11:28 PM
Maybe I'm misremembering, but was the Kryptonian ship always located that close to the Superman memorial...?
Anyway, Superman vs. the Justice League.
I remember the Josstice League version of this.
Yeah, Superman staring directly at Flash in slow motion.
Genuinely cool moment.
I've gotta say, I am legitimately enjoying seeing Superman finally show up over two and half hours into this movie just to kick everyone's asses.Jake — Yesterday at 11:34 PM
Probably because it's actually going somewhere finally.DannyJ — Yesterday at 11:34 PM
I feel like he really adds some life to everything.Jake — Yesterday at 11:35 PM
Henry Cavill may not be the best Superman, but I do like him for the most part.
Even if his dialogue is written fucking terribly.DannyJ — Yesterday at 11:35 PM
I haven't heard him say anything yet.Jake — Yesterday at 11:35 PM
Yes, but you did see BvS.DannyJ — Yesterday at 11:35 PM
I'm trying to judge this as its own thing as much as possible.
And they completely lost track of the Infinity Stone while doing all that bullshit.
Hilarious.
This is really something that Batman should've been taking care of, since it's not like he's any use in a direct fight against Superman.
Not without his kryptonite weapons, anyway.Jake — Yesterday at 11:37 PM
Yes, he should have.
Do you ever wonder what went through the writer's minds when they wrote that?DannyJ — Yesterday at 11:38 PM
Oh wow, Cyberdad just fucking killed himself to destroy the box which can't be destroyed.
He's CyberDEAD now.Jake — Yesterday at 11:39 PM
Keanu Reeves?DannyJ — Yesterday at 11:39 PM
That's gotta be the most pointless suicide I've seen in fiction since Liam Neeson in Fallout 3.Jake — Yesterday at 11:40 PM
Don't you find Liam Neeson in Tranquility Lane?DannyJ — Yesterday at 11:41 PM
...Yes?Jake — Yesterday at 11:41 PM
I forget how exactly he kills himself.
Speaks volumes of his character, doesn't it?DannyJ — Yesterday at 11:41 PM
Irradiating Project Purity to kill Colonel Autumn, who doesn't die.Jake — Yesterday at 11:41 PM
Oh, I thought he died in Tranquility Lane.DannyJ — Yesterday at 11:42 PM
Oh, and no. Cyberdad apparently killed himself to deliberately superheat the box and make it easy to track by thermal imaging or something.
That makes it slightly less pointless, but still dumb.
"Part 6 - Something Darker."
Oh goody.Jake — Yesterday at 11:43 PM
Lovely title.DannyJ — Yesterday at 11:43 PM
That means we're reaching the point of maximum Snyder.Jake — Yesterday at 11:44 PM
Does this mean that the movie is gonna be in black and white now?DannyJ — Yesterday at 11:44 PM
Maybe!
We shall find out after I get another tea.
We've still got a little over an hour left of this.Jake — Yesterday at 11:45 PM
You'll most likely going to need the tea for the ending.DannyJ — Yesterday at 11:51 PM
Is this meant to be in continuity with Arkham City?Jake — Yesterday at 11:52 PM
Yes, Dr. Hugo Strange is about to show up.
He's the surprise final villain.DannyJ — Yesterday at 11:53 PM
I heard that Leto Joker is in this.Jake — Yesterday at 11:53 PM
I think he is.
He also looks different.DannyJ — Yesterday at 11:54 PM
I can't wait to see what purpose he serves.
Superman's scenes on the farm... yeah, we're back to the slow pace again.
It's not even character development, exactly, just him slowly remembering who he already was.
No strong emotional reaction to being brought back from the fucking dead.
And Lois Lane is still a charisma black hole.
Ma Kent is here.Jake — Yesterday at 11:59 PM
Her son's back from the dead. What's her reaction?DannyJ — Yesterday at 11:59 PM
She's showing actual emotions.Jake — Yesterday at 11:59 PM
Wow!DannyJ — Yesterday at 11:59 PM
Most of these people are not bad actors.
I think it's just Lois.Jake — Today at 12:00 AM
No clue who plays her.DannyJ — Today at 12:00 AM
Me neither.Jake — Today at 12:01 AM
I still can't believe Jesse Eisenberg plays Lex Luthor.
That completely slipped my mind.DannyJ — Today at 12:01 AM
Me neither.
That was the worst fucking casting I've ever seen.Jake — Today at 12:02 AM
It was impressive how bad it was.DannyJ — Today at 12:02 AM
Also, Batman was just talking about his weird bullshit prophetic dream from BVS.
Looks like it's building to something.
And Loki has gathered the Infinity Stones.Jake — Today at 12:05 AM
Holy shit, J.K. Simmons plays Gordon in this.DannyJ — Today at 12:05 AM
I thought he sounded familiar.
Superman's getting a lot of dramatic audio flashbacks.
And he's in the black costume.
It's very Snyder-y.Jake — Today at 12:07 AM
Of course he is.
Amy Adams plays Lois Lane.DannyJ — Today at 12:07 AM
Especially him Jesus posing in space.Jake — Today at 12:07 AM
I doubt you know her.DannyJ — Today at 12:08 AM
Never heard of her.
What else has she done?Jake — Today at 12:08 AM
Ever heard of a movie called American Hustle?DannyJ — Today at 12:08 AM
Sounds vaguely familiar.Jake — Today at 12:08 AM
Well, she was also in The Muppets 2011 movie.
She was in The Office for a whole three episodes.DannyJ — Today at 12:09 AM
Batman's shooting at the alien energy shield with his batplane.
Is this meant to be in continuity with the Robert Pattison Batman movie?Jake — Today at 12:11 AM
Is this meant to be in continuity with Adam West's Batman?DannyJ — Today at 12:12 AM
Is this meant to be in continuity with the Lynda Carta Wonder Woman TV series?Jake — Today at 12:13 AM
Is this meant to be in continuity with the Catwoman movie starring Halle Barre?DannyJ — Today at 12:14 AM
Honestly though, this fight scene's pretty good.
All of the characters are active and doing things, the set pieces are cool, and it's all very dynamic and fast paced.
I mean, it's nothing special by modern standards, just your typical superhero spectacle, but it's fine for what it is.
I mean, Snyder is known for being an action director, isn't he?Jake — Today at 12:15 AM
Endgame was pretty spectacular, but it was made all the better simply because we knew all these characters from previous movies.DannyJ — Today at 12:15 AM
Most Snyder movies I've seen, the fights are always cool at least.
They're fighting Thanos now.
It's okay.
The guy really is an absolute cipher, though.
I get almost no sense of character from him.
He's like that dark elf from Thor 2.
Nothing to him.
Which is not that far out of the ordinary as far as superhero movies go, but considering this movie is four hours long, the fact that I still know almost nothing about the central antagonist after this long is unforgivable.
And then Superman shows up, and just starts trouncing the main villain.Jake — Today at 12:23 AM
That's usually how it goes. Only Superman is powerful enough to take on Darkseid. This happens very often, in all sorts of media.DannyJ — Today at 12:23 AM
Oh wait, analogy mix-up.
I said they're fighting Thanos. I meant Loki.Jake — Today at 12:24 AM
That makes more sense at least.DannyJ — Today at 12:24 AM
And Flash somehow got himself shot while going at super speed, the fucking idiot.
And now Thanos is here for real.Jake — Today at 12:27 AM
Has he fired his dumb bendy eye lasers yet?DannyJ — Today at 12:28 AM
Nah. He unleashed Anti-Life. I think. And then Flash reversed time by running at lightspeed. I think.
And now Cyborg is in... the afterlife, maybe?Jake — Today at 12:28 AM
Which one?DannyJ — Today at 12:29 AM
I dunno. Looks like Hell. His family's ghosts are there.
Oh, I think it was a simulation by the Infinity Stones.Jake — Today at 12:29 AM
That's always a good sign.DannyJ — Today at 12:30 AM
Ah, they killed Loki.
Wondy got the kill, actually.
Though Aquaman impaled him.
Pretty badass, TBH.
And Thanos just fucking stares at them angrily for a few seconds before the portal closes.
Lame.Jake — Today at 12:31 AM
Well, give them props for actually offing the guy.DannyJ — Today at 12:32 AM
This is sequel bait for a sequel that ain't gonna come.Jake — Today at 12:32 AM
Is the movie over?DannyJ — Today at 12:32 AM
And Superman pulls Batman up from clinging on the side of a... nuclear reactor, I think?
And group pose.
Is this meant to be in continuity with X-Men Origins: Wolverine?Jake — Today at 12:33 AM
You wanna scroll to past the credits to see if they put anything at the end of them?DannyJ — Today at 12:33 AM
There's still at least twenty minutes of movie left.
"Epilogue - A Father Twice Over."Jake — Today at 12:33 AM
What the hell are they even gonna do for twenty minutes.DannyJ — Today at 12:33 AM
I have no fucking clue.
But Cyborg can reassemble a broken phone by willing it now.
Cyborg playing his father's last message, and Aquaman going to see his.
I assume that leads into the Aquaman movie somehow, but I dunno.
Wasn't he publically known as a world-saving hero in that movie? But how?
This movie's events weren't nearly as public as the sort of shit that happened in Avengers.
Is this meant to be in continuity with Aquaman?
Barry talking to his father.
Theme of fathers in this epilogue.
Oh, Bruce bought back the Kent farm for Ma Kent. That's a nice touch.
You know, even after this whole movie, I'm still undecided on whether Cyborg's CGI was any good or not.
I mean, it looked better than what little I saw of Josstice League, but still.Jake — Today at 12:39 AM
If you saw it in 4K and 60 FPS, you'd probably think it wasn't very good.
That kind of CGI always drifts towards just unrealistic enough where you can tell that it's fake.DannyJ — Today at 12:40 AM
Ah, we're in an asylum with Lex Luthor now.
I think this is where Joker comes in.
Luthor's gone from his cell, replaced by... someone who I don't think is Jared Leto? I can't actually tell.
Meanwhile Jesse Eisenberg is on a yacht and meeting with Deathstroke, of all people.
He's actually bald now.
He looks a lot closer to how he should now.
Still doesn't actually act like Luthor, though.Jake — Today at 12:43 AM
Barely anyone knows who Deathstroke is.DannyJ — Today at 12:44 AM
He gives away Batman's identity to him.
Cool.
Ah, and back to the post-apocalyptic future timeline.Jake — Today at 12:44 AM
So basically everyone knows who he is.DannyJ — Today at 12:44 AM
At this point, yeah.Jake — Today at 12:44 AM
Goody.DannyJ — Today at 12:44 AM
Yeah, yeah! Trenchcoat Batman is back!
Looks like Snyder planned a whole other movie around this.
Ah, it's not just Batman in the dark timeline!
Cyborg and Deathstroke are also there, and on his side.
And an Atlantean lady. Aquaman is apparently dead.Jake — Today at 12:46 AM
Why put this at the end of the movie?
Is this more sequel bait?DannyJ — Today at 12:47 AM
There's some guy in a knight costume, and yes, Leto Joker is here.
He's just tagging along, I guess. And taunting Batman about killing Robin.
And yeah, it's sequel bait, I think.Jake — Today at 12:48 AM
Even if they do make a sequel, they'd have to recast Batman and Superman.
You know, their biggest characters.DannyJ — Today at 12:50 AM
Yeah, Leto still isn't a very good Joker. His performance is really weird and stilted here.
Doesn't sound authentic.
Or particularly original.
And Batman threatens to kill him and talks about Harley Quinn dying.
Is this meant to be in continuity with Birds of Prey?
Oh, the knight guy is meant to be Flash!
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand it was all another dream!Jake — Today at 12:52 AM
What a specific kind of dream.
Well, at least you got through the movie now.DannyJ — Today at 12:53 AM
It's still going on.
Bruce woke up, and now Martian Manhunter is here.Jake — Today at 12:53 AM
So congrats on almost being done.DannyJ — Today at 12:55 AM
And it looks like that's finally it.
Movie ends on a dedication. "For Autumn."
And then the credits theme is what sounds like a piano instrumental of "Hallelujah."
Which is also very Zack Snyder.
Oh no, wait, it is a vocal cover, just with a long intro.
Well, anyway, that was Snyder League.Jake — Today at 12:59 AM
I don't know if you've heard of this, but Snyder's daughter died as he was making this movie.
So I assume that was the dedication.DannyJ — Today at 12:59 AM
Yeah, I know. Killed herself. Sad, but not something I wanna get into now.Jake — Today at 1:00 AM
No, I know.DannyJ — Today at 1:00 AM
So final verdict:
It was a shitty movie, and way too long.
But I had fun at times.Jake — Today at 1:00 AM
You asked a lot of questions too.
Usually a sign of a movie not keeping your interest.DannyJ — Today at 1:01 AM
It's hard to maintain interest for four fucking hours.
This movie was bloated to hell, and it really should've been trimmed way the fuck down.Jake — Today at 1:01 AM
Depends on the movie, but you are correct.DannyJ — Today at 1:01 AM
I'd say it was better than Batman V Superman, but only marginally.Jake — Today at 1:02 AM
Does this mean you're gonna make a review?DannyJ — Today at 1:02 AM
No, I'm just gonna post this chatlog.
Say hi to FimFiction, Jake.Jake — Today at 1:03 AM
I'm too tired to care.
IS THIS MEANT TO BE IN CONTINUITY WITH WATCHMEN?
Considering ideas for a Doing Good or Doing Well? sequel after this. No promises, but it could be fun. Pitch me your ideas and I might write some of them.
The best part of this is that there is a cyborg Superman, though he isn't Clark Kent.
I watched Krack-Fic Kai watch Snyder League, but it's far more entertaining to witness someone with minimal DC knowledge struggle through it. (Not needing to be there for the whole runtime helps too.
)
Also, in that potential sequel, definitely have actual Skeletor be there. Don't even ponify him. Just have an inexplicable blue muscleman with no flesh on his head be in the movie devoid of any context.
Yeah, this is easily the best part of the movie.
This describes the original, too.
I'm hearing a lot of people saying the long-awaited Snyder cut is 'so much better' than the original, and not even in a way that makes me think they're just griefing. Yet at the same time, I hated Justice League so much, it was so bad, I don't want to have to go through it again.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, I wish you'd seen the original for me so you could compare. ._. Though I guess this is good enough (I wrote the comment then went back and read it). I sure as fuck don't want to watch a four-hour movie that doesn't have a few years' worth of world-building behind it. Also, props for the constant continuity jokes. :D
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Liking this.
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Some people were just predisposed to liking this movie I guess. They only released the Snyder cut in the first place by popular demand, and that popular demand was from people who were already fans of the Snyderverse and wanted more of it. Of course people who unironically liked Batman V Superman would prefer Snyder League over Josstice League. And I can't even blame them, really. I mean, I thought BVS was terrible too, but how often does studio meddling and design by committee ever actually improve a product? I'd take a visionary director's garbage over bland corporate garbage any day.
Why would you wish this on me? How have I hurt you, Present?
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Better you than me? :V
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Fair.
I'm still not sure what would cause Superman to scream. Seems very out of character for him.
Golden Armor fighting eh? I wonder how that works? 'Has Bionicle "Journey's End" flashbacks...'
It doesn't surprise me though. I knew I should stay away from this movie for a reason.
I skipped Civil War personally. There were a variety of plot points that just felt really dumb. As in too much like real life dumb.
"Representation."
Synder is usually pretty good about finding actors, if not writers.
Yeah his action scenes are always fun, even if they don't always make much sense.
'Beware the Batman theme starts playing.'
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This was from the end of Batman V Superman, so he was kind of dying at the time.
I dunno. Magic or something. Wonder Woman 1984 was a dumb movie.
Honestly, Spider-Man complaint aside, I consider Civil War to be one of the better Marvel movies. At the very least, I can say it's got some of the most interesting characterisation of any Marvel film. I really liked what they did with Iron Man in it.
Yes. Also Ezra Miller being Jewish. I don't know why that mattered enough for them to change the character that way (especially given that Ezra Miller is a crazy person who shouldn't have even been hired, much less catered to), but I guess that's modern Hollywood for you.
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Fair. I always think of Superman as more stoic than that though.
Like I get being in pain and all that, but I always felt his reaction to that would come across as more yelling than screaming. Defiant as opposed to caving inwards.
If he reacted vocally at all, which he might not. The dude has to have one heck of a pain tolerance by now.
I mean it sounds interesting. And I didn't mind Journey's End, for all its flaws. I'm just wondering what the Armor does is all.
Yeah that's what I heard.
Fair enough. It just wasn't something I was personally into. I was rellying heavily on MCU being escapist fun. Civil War didn't strike me as escapist or fun, and I avoided it like the plague at the time.
Well if nothing else my main complaint wasn't exactly that the characterization was unbelievable per say. It was more it was a bit too believable for my taste.
I mean, I didn't see it, so I wouldn't know.
Huh. I didn't know that. I don't usually bother learning the race of actors.
Yeah virtue signaling is weird.
I don't understand the compulsion to shoehorn in labels that have nothing to do with the story anyways. It's one thing if the character is actually written by someone in that demographic, who has a genuine idea of what their talking about, but to just slap it on as a label is just cringy.
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And I think of Superman as someone who doesn't snap people's necks for completely avoidable reasons, but Snyder's version of him did that too, so maybe he's just not a very well-written Superman?
Hot take, I know.
It made her more powerful in some way, I guess? I genuinely don't remember what the deal with the armour was. What little space in my brain I've devoted to that movie is more hung up on the stupid wish stuff and Wondy being a rapist.
That's fair.
He's kind of the antagonist of the movie. Well, secondary antagonist. But he has very human and sympathetic reasons for it. I dunno. I like it. Conflict. Drama. Good shit.
Well, Hollywood has a lot of Jewish writers, actors, and directors, so I don't think that not knowing what they're talking about is the problem here. With Barry Allen, I just find it weird because it's a change from the source material that serves no story purpose.
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Probably not. Of course, Sups isn't the kind of guy to snap someone's neck even if they do deserve it.
So, do he actually snap someone's neck for no reason? Or was it like Zod or something?
You're allowed. It seems like I have one every other week!
Ah. A power Crunch!
Fair enough.
Yeah. Hearing about the rapist thing was enough to throw me off of watching it. I can't speak for the wishing stuff though.
Thanks.
Yeah the premise of civil war (at least in the game) is such that a good actor like Robert Downey Jr could pull it off. Especially if they skipped over the more questionable parts of that story.
It's possible. I don't really see that as being part of the culture or anything. It's more a ethnic thing than anything else.
Like saying your ancestors were from Germany, but you know next to nothing about the people there and don't really care about it all.
That's the general vibe I get from Hollywood Jews.
Oh yeah it gets really annoying after a while, especially when they rub it your face like they did something brilliant. Or if the characters heritage or physical characteristics was the point of their story in the first place.
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It was Zod, and he snapped his neck to save some random people, but he easily could've saved them without killing Zod.
I've heard the actual Civil War comic series/event was a mess, but I've not read it myself. I just used to follow a lot of comic reviewers.
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True, although killing Zod does in fact prevent him from endangering anyone else ever again, and Zod is probably one of the few people on the planet he could kill without any public outcry or legal repercussions.
And Superman (much like Batman) hasn't always been averse to killing people, even if the perception of him as a non-killer is much stronger.
I watched the game walkthroughs and read the wiki, which outline showed it as mostly similar, with the exception of the final act. Mess is a fair assessment overall.
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Well, you'd know better than me, but I'm not personally a fan of Snyder's dark take on Superman, even if I really like Henry Cavill as an actor.
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Eh. Even leaving aside the violence, it definitely had other issues.
Synder's BVS is proof of that, even if it was entertaining.