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Oct
19th
2015

Simple question with obvious answer · 11:14pm Oct 19th, 2015

Hello ladies and gentlemen :twilightsmile: today I ask a question. Im not going to accuse anyone, I am just going to ask the question and let everyone else think through it.
Why do people here on Fimfic so fiercely defend pedophilic clop stories?
one quick bit to discredit the very first claim of defense which will be "free speech, you are trying to oppress us" and to that I ask, if you were really interested in that freedom why would you deny me my freedom of speech and attack me out of the groups I post in then follow me to my userpage to attack me there too? I highly doubt that it is about freedom, what does that leave us with? Why defend Pedophilic clop stories if you are not interested in the freedom aspect of free speech?
Imma just leave that one here. Im sure it will attract haters, but I promise to do proper and calm clean debate with someone if they can actually get their stuff together and are able to think rationally.

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I wonder how many people are fuming right now...

3484576 oh I am certain there are dozens
most people who would get really very angry at this and want to respond are already blocked.

Can you believe people tried to convince me that Pedo clop stories are good for pedophiles, that it makes them less likely to molest children?
In advanced Psych we learned a lot... but in Psych 101 and even before that we leaned a really really simple thing. Help an addiction NEVER feed it. You can distract it with something else to wind it down but never feed it with what it wants.

3485078 Lol, thats like telling a man who is addicted to dope to stop using it and then giving him more dope... What?

3485260 yes exactly and even the whole idea of weaning someone off of it.
"ok... we are trying to get you to stop raping children so you can only rape two children a day instead of five."
I mean what the literal hell?
I think at this point I have heard it all.
if you have a fire... you don't make it smaller by pouring gas on it.

3485414 It makes me wonder. How many people are really fine with pedophilia. I mean, it doesn't seem like a lot of people are really fighting against it.

It feels like everyone just ignores it and goes their own way. It makes me wonder...

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Well Martin Luther King Jr once said
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I tend to agree with him.
you know.. just sayin....

I actually know why they won't allow you to have a freedom to speech here, as far as I know people have told me its the internet and the whole freedom to speech isn't effective on the internet, infact some have said the internet has no laws.

3488487 so freedom of speech ONLY is for people who love Pedophile related sex stories?
And not for those who don't tolerate demented illegal themes?


3486294 do you see all these dislikes? they really are fuming... lol absolutely livid

3490482 Well that's Humanity for you. If you don't agree with somebody on one thing, then you get hated on for as long as you protest.

That's actually something that happened to Martin Luther when he posted the '95 theses'. Humans are really twisted sometimes.

3485078
I think it's more akin to giving someone addicted to cigarettes a nicotine patch. It's not a cigarette, but it gives them the same satisfaction.

3492258 perhaps... I get what you are saying but lets break this down aye?
we are relating things of extremely different qualities here..
Cigarettes and Child rape
Nicotine patches and kiddy porn.
these dont really go together.
and anyways if you replace one habit with another similar one without the intent of stopping all you are really doing is picking up another habit. Like vaping. Everyone I know that smokes vapes They ALL claim that they are just trying to stop smoking but every time they hit the store they buy more vape and a pack of smokes. I cant speak for your experience but seriously... think about this
The site already banned stories that use underaged characters for sex so long as it was human or anthro form. They did this because its highly illegal to do those things. ask yourself... WHY?... why did they make it illegal and why are the people here fighting to protect something that is hardly even a hairs breath below what was banned because it is illegal?
Just saying... why on earth would you try and protect something like that?
And seriously trying to justify it with the whole nicotine patch is with how popular it is, is just agreeing with the idea that they all have pedophilic desires and want to surpress them by reading kiddy smut.
As I was saying... there is no REAL defense for this. The only real way to go about it is to either A: lie about it and pretend you are doing something right. Or B: admit you have a problem and are not willing to stop said problem. Like a drug addict who knows its bad but is not willing to stop taking drugs.

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Child rape is a worse form of child porn, just as cigarettes are a worse form of nicotine patches. Nothing is wrong with the comparison.

The site rules prevent underage human and anthro sexual stories because the laws regarding such things are pretty muddy and not defined at all. Fimfiction definitely doesn't want to be testing the waters, so for everyone's safety, those two are banned. As far as why people on Fimfic defend it, who knows? Some maybe want freedom of expression. Others just want to get their rocks off.

I'm not saying child porn isn't a terrible thing, and I'm not trying to justify it; I was just making a comparison. It's awful, and it's something that society as a whole should be trying their hardest to abolish. However, when given the option of someone masturbating to a fictional underage cartoon horse OR masturbating to an image or video of a real child being sexual abused, I will obviously pick the fictional underage cartoon horse every single time, because a real person isn't being harmed. It is the much lesser of two evils.

3488487
"Freedom of Speech" only applies to situations when the Government is trying to censor someone. It does not apply to private establishments like websites.

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.... Goodness I have a new found respect for the moderators on this site now.
most others just told me to go screw myself and to watch my step or outright laughed at me.
My good sir thank you for existing. :twilightsmile:


now back to the topic. :rainbowlaugh:
Regardless if its the lesser of two evils... you know... its still kinda... evil.
I am just proposing why choose between them? there is a third choice that is not evil... and that is just not having it.
I know I cant choose for a whole site. But there is clearly right and clearly wrong. You at least seem like you know where I am coming from.

Im on the 'crusade' so to speak. But the crusade was not a cleansing. Its was a defensive war. I am not after the destruction of my foes but the protection of a pure way of life. I would like to see a lot of changes but I cant chose for people. But I wont just sit there and be quiet when I see glorification of child rape.
I may not consider myself a Brony. But I am in this group. and I am positive if this theme was brought to light it would utterly DESTROY the fandom. People already think so ill of the followers of this fandom. Why solidify their views with proof. It's not just a lifestyle or morality I am defending its all of Brony kind I want to protect.
I mean by all means if you have a dirty mind thats great but please keep it to yourself. I mean hell I wanted to show people my writing and my friend's writing but I dont ever want to risk showing them this website and they see on the front page the big title with the clearly suggestive picture "big mac rapes applebloom!"
That would instantly bring destruction and discredit not only on me but the whole fandom and franchise.
It is literally giving brony's something to be ashamed of All I want is that to go away.

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It could be banned, but what would that really change? Those people would still be on the site, but now they'd be going elsewhere for their desires. In a worse case scenario, some would move to completely SFW fics to try and get some kind of sexual pleasure out of it, and I don't think anyone wants those kinds of comments on their run of the mill stories. The current set of rules gives the people who are into this sort of thing an outlet; a pretty harmless one at that.

As far as your "crusade," I feel as though there's a fundamental misunderstanding here, in that only the MLP fandom has underage porn of its characters. If you look, you will find that the vast majority of fandoms have these kinds of fanfics and art, so when you say that this sort of thing can "destroy" the fandom, I say to look at other fandoms and see how they've been affected. I'd wager that no fandom has been ruined due to its porn.

Also, if you want to show people your fanfics without the fear of them seeing something that would ruin their outlook on your and the fandom, you can very easily turn Mature stories off.

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:rainbowhuh: my stories are mature though, I cant access them without having the filter off.
And it does hurt the fandom... I have explained what was happening here to a close friend of mine and she now prevents her children from doing anything Brony related. They don't go to the cons anymore they don't let them on MLP websites, nothing. Sure this is just one incident. But whose to say this one incident would not repeat when this problem is exposed more.
It may not have hurt the show but it certainly removed a small group of people from the fandom in fear of the safety of children.
again, not saying it WILL happen but I am saying it has happened and CAN happen again.
now banning it would improve the quality and be a public statement that this harmful behavior is NOT a Brony thing. Sure those people would still exist and sure they would still be here But A: they could not continue without getting in trouble, and B: There are websites out there that are meant for that sort of stuff anyway. Why not just let them go there. If they want their outlet. Let them do it in a way that does not involve those of us who want no part in it.
Point being here its not a harmless outlet. it does harm to me, it does harm to anyone who sees it and it does harm to the fandom.
as for fandoms and porn. I am certain that many people have had things ruined for them by porn. Myself included. The military is a scary place. As is the barracks when everyone else is watching Disney porn. Yes Disney porn ruined Disney for me and on just a quick flyby too. I am sure the same or similar things have downed smaller fandoms entirely. but I digress, yes it is unlikely that simple porn would destroy a whole fandom. But a fandom that is already on the tightrope just for being what it is. Fully grown men watching a show that was intended for little girls. Then it comes out that a site that basically every Brony knows about and is a part of is full of simulated kiddy porn yeah that is a certainty that the fandom would take a very serious blow. as would any similar fandom if it was discovered that the majority of the fans did absolutely nothing other than support the idea of sexualizing children and glorifying the idea of child rape in their own stories.
I know I am throwing out a lot of 'what if' scenarios here but if you look at it. Law, morality, common sense, and basic morality is on my side. Against me is "free speech" which is actually just a one sided free speech which undermines the whole idea, The lust of pedophiles, and those who victimize pedophiles.

I am the one who stands on the moral high ground, there really is no way of denying that. Even you admit that its evil. Just as you said "the lesser of two evils"
I am just saying, why tolerate an evil we really should not have to tolerate. One so potentially dangerous one so demented.

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So you explained that people on the internet are writing/drawing sexualized things of underage characters from MLP. I can't say I'm very surprised that your friend doesn't let her children indulge in fan content anymore if that's what you said was going on. To give some statistics here on just how prevalent foalcon is in this fandom, let's take a look at Fimfiction, the prime source for MLP fanfics, and Derpibooru, the prime source for MLP fanart.

Although it's not possible without a numerous amount of tedious searches on Fimfiction, we can look at Groups to get an estimate on how many foalcon fics there are. There are three major groups for Foalcon, and the largest one has 1600 stories in it. It's not exact, but from that we can guess that there are about 1600 foalcon stories on Fimfiction. To account for those not in groups, I'll even round that up to 2000. From the statistics page, we can see that there are just over 90,000 approved stories at this time. Of those 90,000, 10,648 are clopfics. So, out of all the fanfics on Fimfiction, foalcon accounts for 2.2%. Out of just clopfics, that's about 20%. Rather high, but still, in the grand scheme of things it's still 2.2%. Fimfiction is far from being "full of" it.

On Derpibooru, there are currently 1,008,533 images. Of these, 326,808 are non-safe, meaning they are "questionable" "suggestive" or "explicit". So on Derpibooru, there is a much higher ratio of NSFW to SFW, with around 33% being NSFW. How much of that is foalcon? A quick search yields 8,807. Total. This means that foalcon is a minuscule 0.87% of fanart.

So to recap: 2.2% of fanfics are foalcon, and 0.87% of fanart is foalcon.

These numbers alone are why I question your claim that foalcon is going to harm the fandom. If anything, regular old clop is going to be doing, far, far more damage for the brony reputation. For now, I'll be sticking to my claim that foalcon stories are a pretty harmless outlet, considering just how few of them there actually are. No one real is getting hurt, and to find them you generally have to be actively looking for it.

As for porn "ruining" things, that's just one of the things you have to deal with when you use the internet. Unless you do an exceptional job of blocking out sources for things that may potentially ruin your experience with something, there's a good chance you'll come across it anyway. This is why parents should never let their children use the internet unattended, and why you're better off just doing your best to ignore what you don't like rather than trying to physically remove it.

At the end of the day, though, it's just not my choice whether or not Fimfiction bans foalcon or not. I don't have the power to make that decision and I never will. Judging by how Fimfiction has been operated the past four years, it won't be going away anytime soon either.

3492923 I fully understand what this site has been doing and what it is likely to do in the future
I too doubt that "I" a single voice can do anything about it. One voice demanding right can be drowned out by thousands of those who want what is wrong.
Now lets think about it. EVERYONE... bloody EVERYONE.. has looked at porn one point in their life or another. There is no real chance we can convince anyone really that porn is bad. Of course people out there are going to enjoy porn of whatever they like. It is still wrong but there is literally nothing we can do about it. There is only a moral sense backing us up on that. But kiddy porn, there is no REAL way to justify it. Not even from a third party. "Ok.. you wank it to cartoon horses?" then we have "wait.. what you get off on children being raped?" "but its not real.. its cartoon horses" It really doesn't change anything. The theme is a child being raped. The "its not real" defense has been worn out a thousand fold when they made lolicon illegal. There are people in prison right now for downloading lolicon. And now that that is illegal we have... foal con. So really... can you REALLY try and defend it? Even if they will do it regardless or not Fimfiction says its bad or good? Should Fimfiction just promote themes of pedophilia and rape?
Yes... sex is ONLY for adults... but pedophilia is for NO ONE. It is evil, demented and wrong. Even you know this.
So am I right or am I wrong?
Stories that have the theme of raping children should not be allowed on Fimfiction? or honestly ANYWHERE
Mind you I already know you alone would not be able to put a stop to it. Im not asking that. I am just asking whether or not you think pedophilia and child rape themed stories belong here or ANYWHERE?

3492979
Well, the lolicon issue depends on the place. Some places have made it illegal, other places haven't. Personally I think it's very silly to be banning fictional work of any sort, because again, these aren't real characters. It's made up situations.

And actually, I wouldn't consider anyone who happens to be a pedophile inherently evil. See, most people tend to combine "pedophile" and "child rapist" as the same word, and that's just wrong. There are many people with it that recognize that it's an issue, but they don't act on it, and I think that that's okay. My judgement for someone only begins when they start harming people in real life. (I consider looking at actual CP to be harming people, because it involved harm to create in the first place.) I think most people who are attracted to children realize it's not okay, so they do the smart thing and keep it to themselves. We live in a society where if knowledge like that gets out, a person is far more likely to be condemned than helped, even if they've never even thought about touching an actual child.

Now, that last one is a bit of a loaded question. I'm of the opinion that everyone should be free to express themselves, via whatever art or writing they wish. It's a very uncomfortable subject to most, and in a worst case scenario, traumatizing, but that's about where it ends: being uncomfortable on the internet.

See, I myself don't like foalcon. I'm just not into it. However, I can also understand how some people might be, and what about it works for them. So whenever I stumble upon it on Fimfiction, or see it while browsing Tumblr or Derpibooru or wherever, I just avoid it. It's not my thing, but it is someone else's, and as long as they're confining themselves to the realm of fantasy, I have nothing more to say on it.

3493214

However, when given the option of someone masturbating to a fictional underage cartoon horse OR masturbating to an image or video of a real child being sexual abused, I will obviously pick the fictional underage cartoon horse every single time, because a real person isn't being harmed. It is the much lesser of two evils.

Did this suddenly change?
Did you suddenly change your mind and morals when you started to lose you place in the debate?
lolicon is banned in all of America for the very same reason child porn is. They find it dark and disgusting, Morally wrong. As I said before. The law is strictly on my side. Child porn is against the law, people make lolicon, lolicon becomes against the law people make foalcon. Do you see the relation here? and every time... and you cant say it isn't because I have watched the trials, EVERY time the guy will claim the exact same defense. Child porn: "I didn't hurt any children though, I would NEVER hurt any children. This is not real.
Lolicon: "I never hurt any children, this is not real, I would never hurt any children"
Foal con here and now: Its not real, I would never hurt any children its just a bunch of drawings and stories!"
you may not have heard it but I most certainly have and it is repetitive as will be whatever replaces foal con as next on the list
What is wrong is wrong and will ALWAYS be wrong. It does not change simply because popular opinion changes.
I understand people wanting to protect their 'freedoms' so to speak. but honestly think about it. How would you have to react as a moderator if I were coming against a group or gathering within Fimfiction that was in support of hate crimes, writing stories glorifying the murder of black people and gays?
Granted I am sure this would get far more of a reaction than Just me and the large handful of people who support my cause. But still, stop and think about this for a moment. to a gay man or a black man, the N word or the usual constant derogatory anti homo slang is EXTREMELY offensive you would leap to their defense yes? because you see and know that pain they have. Everyone has seen history to see what African americans have been through. And who the hell has not seen the culture of America dehumanize homosexuals. it is EASY to know that pain.
So think about this.
how the hell do you think people who have been raped or molested as a child feel when they see featured stories about a sentient being, a character being raped by his or her older brother, or father?
And Im not just saying this, I refuse to drop names for their sake but at LEAST half the people who have talked to me in support have been through this crap. Have been raped by a family member or other when they were very young. These stories are outright glorifying what happened to them like rubbing it in their faces and laughing as people wank to it. How would you feel if people wanked to the idea of black guys getting gunned down in the street or gays being hung?
do you know how many people a year kill themselves because they were molested and it makes them believe they are less than human, no one goes to their aid. There is a clear difference between racism as rape. and here ONLY one is being fought. Ill bet you and the other moderators would go to the ends of the earth to fight against racism and homophobia in a heartbeat when all it is is one or two morons who think it would be funny to call someone the N word or troll someone with some anti gay slurs. But when all this crap goes down and someone who is too embarrassed about what happened to them cant speak out who stands up for them? so far just me and a handful of others... and we get called the retarded mentally deranged crusaders. here to ruin everyone's fun.
did you ever stop and think about how many people this really hurts and how much it bloody hurts?
I can tell you, my people 700 years ago... we were enslaved and slaughtered. And even today I hear mockery of it being picked on for my race, being picked on for my religion. Its non stop. but you know what? I don't care. because I am not the center of the universe. I wont complain about these fools whose weak words attack me But I will care about what has happened to my family, what has happened to my friends. It was my ancestors that suffered physically, not me, so I don't pay attention to trolls who just want the attention. But I know more people who were raped by their brothers or fathers than I know of gays or minorities who were picked on because they were different. Do you get what I am saying here?
You will protect them but not my friends who actually have had that trauma. I am not trying to discredit others but I will say that I have suffered the same, the very same and will continue to suffer from it. This is a bigger problem. And you agreed with me until you had to verbally agree with me.

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Quite the long comment there, with plenty of points to it. However, I feel this conversation isn't really going anywhere. You want to condemn them for their condition, I don't. Neither of us is going to change anytime soon. That said...

Did this suddenly change?
Did you suddenly change your mind and morals when you started to lose you place in the debate?

"The lesser of two evils" is an expression, but keep in mind I did specify it as "much lesser". I view actual child porn as being leagues above drawn stuff in terms of "evil", almost to the point where drawn/written stuff is near inconsequential. So no, my views didn't change, but perhaps I just used the wrong term initially.

Child porn: "I didn't hurt any children though, I would NEVER hurt any children. This is not real.
Lolicon: "I never hurt any children, this is not real, I would never hurt any children"

The major, major difference between these two is that the real CP required an actual child to be abused to be created. In the case of lolicon, it was merely art. It is very dangerous to equate them as being the same, because then you're moving into the realm of thought policing and protecting the "rights" of fictional characters.

How would you have to react as a moderator if I were coming against a group or gathering within Fimfiction that was in support of hate crimes, writing stories glorifying the murder of black people and gays?

We already get stories like that, and they're rejected on the grounds of being written purely for the sake of riling people up and trying to offend others.

how the hell do you think people who have been raped or molested as a child feel when they see featured stories about a sentient being, a character being raped by his or her older brother, or father?

I understand how hard it must be for them to live through those experiences, and for those people I would recommend turning away the second they see something that may bring back bad memories. When you as a person have had something terrible happen to you, you should adapt yourself to the rest of the world, not the other way around. You shouldn't demand everyone else cater to your sensibilities. You don't see people who's friends/family have been victims of homicide campaigning against violent games or movies, do you?

There is a clear difference between racism as rape. and here ONLY one is being fought. Ill bet you and the other moderators would go to the ends of the earth to fight against racism and homophobia in a heartbeat when all it is is one or two morons who think it would be funny to call someone the N word or troll someone with some anti gay slurs.

Yes, because racism and homophobia are inherently caused by hatred, and the existence of those stories would literally only serve to agitate people and try to upset those of that race or of that sexual orientation. We deal with stories that exist purely to try and upset other people. Rape stories, on the other hand, mostly just exist to appeal to those who have rape fetishes OR those who want to try and explore the heavier consequences of it. They do not exist just to get rape victims upset. The same can be said of foalcon stories. They do not exist upset victims of child abuse.

You will protect them but not my friends who actually have had that trauma.

Protected from what, exactly? Being reminded of past incidents? Reliving traumatic experiences? The internet as a whole, not just Fimfiction, are rife with things that can "trigger" someone's bad memories. This goes back to people adapting themselves to the world, not having the world adapt to them. If they want to avoid those kinds of memories, then they need to adequately protect themselves from being exposed to it, using whatever tools they have available. On Fimfiction, that would mean disabling mature stories or filtering out underage characters when searching for clop stories.


Unfortunately, I can't spend all my time going back and forth with you on our views of fictional pornography. I most likely won't continue to respond unless an exceptional reply comes up, in which case I may take more time to answer it. This has been an interesting conversation, to say the least. It's good to talk about things like this.

3494057 my goodness... you just went and tossed everything out didn't you? now that you see you cant change me like you set out to do you take back all you said and stop playing nice. Well I suppose I should be grateful that you did not just openly start mocking.
But alas. You did your best. though you still fail I appreciate you trying to talk humanely. I could really say some stuff to spark this back up again but lets be honest. When you see as clearly as me you know when someone is blind simply because they choose to be blind. you have a good day. thank you for at least trying to talk about all this with me. I am sorry it did not go as well as we hoped it would

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I never came here to change in the first place, I just came to see another point of view.

3494082 and now you have seen it....
but you still dont really ... you know.... see it.
Its alright though. eventually you will. Eventually everyone does.
but yeah. lets just end this on a neutral note. As far as moderators go you are EASILY my favorite, but I still do not agree with you. Id rather just pretend nothing is wrong and stop here instead of getting into a big fight over it all.

cough cough cough this is what Im talking about cough cough cough

3494397 hrmm... honestly I should have opened with this

i.imgur.com/yFmXhDD.png

Just thought I'd post this here. It should make a few pedo's very salty.

3503475 lol and technically... isn't like the whole cast like what... 14? other than the extended cast and, brothers, parents, grandparents clear adults and well those who are clearly thousands of years old...

3504316 I thought they were 19

3504666 oh hell no XD
they are still all in high school, from the looks of their places early high school, and if you look at the average age for high school its 14 to 17 which means that unless they specify that the characters are older than they appear on the show then they are guilty of breaking this rule
What on earth did they expect?
its a show that was originally meant for girls. the prime area and age for girls is around 14 in school, becoming popular and figuring out who you are. its excessively popular girl stuff.

Hey, were you referencing TWG when you were talking about being attacked by people for freedom of speech?
A friend of a friend told me about the incident.

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oh I am just talking about people who defend pedophilia themed stories. That is all.

A friend of a friend told me about the incident

I dont care who sent you to fight me or whatever, If you are here to try and win me over or whichever you are wasting your time. You will just be very aggravated, I cant say that I will win YOU over because the majority of the people I stand against are all VERY VERY blindingly set in their ways, and even if I prove it to you a thousand times hell even if I got signed confessions I doubt I can convince most people whom I appose, simply because they choose to be blind, they depend upon the foolish lies of their supposed righteous and just theme of freedom to not feel bad that they are literally defending pedophilia. So yeah.... I dont know who decided to sick you on me and I dont care. I fight against a very very evil and demented thing that should not exist. if you appose me it means you support this very very evil demented thing that should not exist. there is no middle ground. But I doubt you will scamper off with that. Go ahead and tell your little speech so I can debunk it, you can retort and get debunked and eventually grow frustrated and angry until you decide to leave in anger and probably try to report me, where I will have to point out to the mods I didnt break any rules... STILL... and the circle will be complete.

3518578 Holy shit, angry much? I was just asking a question, damn.

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not angry... just very very very tired
I have seen people like you pop up dozens upon dozens of times. Most of the time they are just secondary accounts ban evading.
but your account is older which means you are either you are a friend of someone who hates me for calling them out or you are one of the people I called out on just another account that you have had for a long time. I honestly dont care.
I have heard Pedophiles defend themselves for too long. Whining about how its just misunderstood or its not wrong to rape children or the most popular on this site "its not real, we dont want to rape or have sex with real children... we just want to wank it to the IDEA of raping children" Well congrats on wanting to be a fictional child rapist
If you ever want to put some REAL conversation down Ill be waiting but when you come trying to defend a pedophile's "right" to write and read stories about raping children dont expect to win. You might as well be coming along to convince everyone to kill all the jews. Things are wrong for a reason, localized popular opinion doesnt change it. No matter how much you want it to change.
You can keep calling it "freedom of speech" but I will continue calling it what it really is. Pedophilia.

3521139 Y'know, lemme tell you who I actually am.
I'm a mod over at TWG, but I've been gone from the site for a long time. I haven't been on Skype nor FiMFic for so long I can't remember. I was told about an issue, and I went out to hear your side of the story, because I believe in hearing what each side has to say so I can weigh the arguments. It seems apparent to me now that I should've kept this in a PM.
You keep trying to push this ideal on to me that (although rightfully, as there wasn't any relation in the first place) doesn't have much to do with why I'm here. I honestly don't care, let the people read what they want. I've met tons of people on the internet, and about 90% of this community wouldn't even dare think about doing this stuff in real life.

I understand this is your blog and you've got the right to say what you think on here, though. I'll leave you alone now.

3521277 lol wont ever think of doing it... they just wank it while reading about child rape... thats all but they dont think about it... its just a coincidence that they are wanking it while reading about children being raped... thats all... no real harm done oh noes.. no real harm done.
I am a moderator on about 12 groups and sites more predominately on Gaia but there they dont let people put up child rape bull shit because they know its ten kinds of fucked and they dont tolerate it. Damn I wish they had a story publishing thing like this over there... it would be awesome. But they dont so Im stuck here with all the "fictional" kiddy fiddlers trying to tell me they are on a higher moral ground than me.
to my point which I am not really all that sure you got or not I dont care who you are, I dont even know or want to even start caring what TWG is, If I had to guess its just another of those pedo groups that got pissed off at me and tried to D doss me again.
but yeah, I dont care how prestigious you think your title is, if you support child rape themes that makes you a pedophile, there is a line in the sand and its not wide enough to stand on. you are either one one side... or the other. and if you want to drag that precious title of yours to one side that is your choice.
no amount of finessing your words can convince me you intended to come here just to talk peacefully. I have seen your type a thousand times over, your unrealistic views on the world is easily undone with the most simple of logic, but that wont stop you... it never does stop people like you.
Just go as you said you would and please dont come back unless you actually are willing to admit what you really support.

3522908 Well, I'll come back for a little bit.

Don't you ever fucking demoralize my values. Do you understand? I know what I stand for. You obviously don't.
You've used so many logical flaws in your arguments that I might as well post a picture of all of them as the list.

And lastly, don't you ever fucking tell my friends to, and I quote, "gargle my cock cunt" and try to fucking cover it up.

3524314 oh no I never said I didnt :rainbowlaugh: and I will say whatever I damned well please to some fucking piece of shit that defends pedophiles. If you are one then I will tell it to you too,
GARGLE MY COCK! whiny little bitch now go back to your kiddy porn and stop bothering me :twilightsmile:

3525420 I like how he came to attack you tried to leave then rushed back in full force yet still cant deny what you are accusing him of... hes a pedophile aint he? :rainbowlaugh:

3525456
LOL :rainbowlaugh:
:eeyup: eeeeyup!
just watch his next line of defense is going to be either "Im a 14 year old girl and not a 27 year old fat guy sweating over my keyboard" or "Im not a pedophile I just know that love can really blossom between a little boy and a full grown man dont be such a bigot!"
That is how most of these arguments go... but meh you cant really win can you? you can just stand for what is right and watch as people try to kill you in droves.

3525474 lol you have been doing this for a while haven't you?

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