All Hail the Queen
The horrid stench that filled the paths was suddenly overshadowed by the incredible area that opened up before Night Heart. Despite how tight the tunnels were that led here, the main room of the hive was massive. There were markings on the walls above different paths that led to and from the room. Night Heart had to admit it was impressive that the Changelings could find their way around the hive with only that as their guide.
Bridges crossed around at random places, but most of the Changelings flew wherever they went. Because of this, most of the room was open with no other way of getting around. The sneaky pony repositioned the egg on his back. This might be a problem…
“Of course you smell pony! What do you think we have tied up, a Minotaur?!” There was no mistaking the voice of Chrysalis, the queen of the Changelings. “…wait,” the voice said in a hushed tone. Night Heart glanced around and spotted the royal slowly moving into sight from behind a wall.
With a jump, he threw himself into a dark corner right outside the main room. To his surprise, though, he ran into somepony accidentally.
“Ouch!” Eve whispered when she was tackled. “Oh… hi, Night Heart,” She said to the pony.
“Eve?! What the hey are you doing here?!” He whispered as loud as he dared. He looked to his side and saw TC as well. “How long have you been following me?”
“Since the beginning,” TC answered, “And look! Eve left a magic trail for us to follow to get out!”
Eve blushed at the praise. “Magic just comes naturally to me, I guess,” she said modestly.
Night Heart’s eyebrows rose. That was good thinking… in fact, if she hadn’t done that, he might have been trapped in here forever. “Well… thank you, Eve, you’ve done a good job.”
Eve smiled.
“But I have to insist you head back.”
“What?”
“Eve, we already talked about this—“
“Yes, we did, and I told you I wasn’t leaving you!” Eve stepped out of the hiding place, but Night Heart pulled her back in. “What are you doing?”
“The area up ahead is filled with more Changelings than any other place in the entire hive! And there are no places to hide, either,” Night Heart explained the danger they were in.
“Actually,” TC jumped in, “If you look up at the roof, there’s a very thin layer before the actual ceiling. You could sneak through there and fall right into the center. How much you wanna bet that’s where they’re keeping our friend?”
Night Heart looked between the room and his pony friend. “That might work…” Then he realized what TC was getting at. Night Heart couldn’t fly.
“So you’re going to send a filly back through the caves alone and without protection? Shame on you, Night Heart,” TC smiled as he spoke. “After all, you need us and our wings, right?”
Night Heart closed his eyes. He didn’t like this situation one bit… perhaps Eve was strong enough to take care of herself, but he didn’t want her to have to. “I… you planned this, didn’t you?”
“Call it fate,” TC replied. He winked at Eve who mouthed out a “Thank you.”
“Fine. It seems you two are the only ones who can get over there, but please be careful,” Night Heart led them out of the corner.
“Hey! When am I ever not careful? Nothing’s going to go wrong, Night!” He assured him. “Nice mane by the way.”
“Oh, thanks. Yours is very… neon…”
“I know right?! Amazing I could follow you without you seeing me. Stuff like that just sort of works out for me,” he commented.
“Guys, I think I’m getting a message from somepony,” Eve interrupted. “It’s from Celestia!”
“Celestia? What does she say?” Night Heart was eager to know if she was with his friends and how they were doing.
“She says they took care of the monster! They’re safe!” Eve sighed out. “Where are you now?” She paused a second while she listened. “She’s on her way here with the others,” Eve relayed.
“Wait, right now?” TC asked and looked at Night Heart. Night Heart shook his head and looked at the open area in front of him. The princess was taking them to their doom.
~~~
Celestia received the message from Twilight that the Sentidor giants were walking away. Deep in the forest they wouldn’t bother Ponyville again for a while.
After that, the team had the chance to go to Ponyville . They could have met the mane six, seen Ponyville, helped in rebuilding, led the ponies back into their home.
But with one sentence spoken by Swiftbullet, “Nopony gets left behind,” the entire team agreed it wasn’t time. They were almost done, but the whole team wasn’t yet together, and Night Heart needed their help.
When they reached the mouth of the hive, Swiftbullet smiled. “Looks like Eve left us a little trail,” he said as he pointed at it.
“Won’t the Changelings see it and find them?” Blazer asked.
“Only ponies can see this spell,” Princess Celestia explained. “And it isn’t an easy one to master.”
“I wouldn’t expect any less from an alicorn!” Said Stagequill. “And we’ve got the most powerful one ever on our side!” Stagequill looked up at the princess. “Right, Celestia?”
Celestia unfolded her wings. “Children, stay here. I will go and speak with Chrysalis,” she said.
“What? But… but you can’t just leave us here!” Blazer objected. “Nopony gets left behind, remember? We wanna help!”
“With all due respect, Princess,” Swiftbullet stood between her and the hive, “We are a team, and we’ve never stood by when our friends needed help. There is no way we’re staying out here!”
“Swiftbullet, you and the others will stay here and wait for my signal. Chrysalis won’t listen to anypony but me, and only if she thinks she will get something out of it. When you see my signal, you will know it is safe to enter,” Celestia commanded. She looked at him and the others, “Until then, stay here and remain hidden. Do you all understand?”
The team nodded reluctantly, unable to insist further they go with her. Celestia lifted off the ground and headed for the roof entrance, leaving them to stand there, looking at the sky.
~~~
“Come on,” Night Heart said to the others, “If we can get out of here in time, the others won’t have to—”
“GOTCHA!” The trio jumped back as Chrysalis fell upon them. “Get them!”
Four other Changelings joined in the fray, grabbing them with teeth and hooves. Night Heart fought back, but was quickly overwhelmed.
“Argh! Get off me!” Night Heart knocked one Changeling off only to have it replaced with another. “Nngh!” He looked up to see Eve surrounded by the creatures. “EVE!!”
“Aaah!” Eve screamed and fell on the floor, looking up with fear in her eyes. Two Changelings flew toward her, fangs shining in the glow. Just as they came within hoof’s reach, though…
Eve’s horn glowed of its own accord. Without summoning it, sharp rocks rose from the floor, blocking off the enemies’ charge. Eve watched as several vines also grew, wrapping around the foes and lifting them off the ground.
The alicorn looked in utter surprise as the earth defended her. But a shout drew her attention. TC had his knife out, and he had just cut a Changeling, causing it to real back and shriek. He stood up and got ready for the next wave, barely cutting another before it reached him.
Suddenly, Chrysalis swooped in and kicked TC against the head, knocking him out. He dropped to floor and his knife made a clanging sound when it fell from his mouth.
“No!” Night Heart struggled against the two assailants that held him down. He glanced at Eve, who was watching through the cracks between the rocks. Gritting his teeth, he pushed hard and threw off the Changelings, standing up and running toward his downed companion. “I’m coming!”
He skid under a diving Changeling and scooped up TC’s knife. “Eve, you doing all right over there?”
“I think the earth is protecting me!” Eve called from behind her rock shield.
“I’ll have to thank Tom later,” Night Heart said as he pointed the knife at the advancing foes.
“What?”
“Remember? Tom’s a big—nevermind!” Night Heart swung the knife and cut the leg of one of the flying creatures. It stumbled back, unprepared for the foreign weapon. “Stay back!”
As he threatened the attackers, the much larger threat was slowly lowering herself behind him. Night Heart felt her presence before he saw her and attempted to duck and flee.
“Night Heart, look out!” Eve shouted at the top of her lungs. She watched in horror as Night Heart was tackled and pinned to the ground. “Night Heart!!”
TC yelled and jumped on top of Chrysalis, grabbing her neck and holding on tight. The Changeling Queen beat her wings and lifted them both up off the ground, the knife—their last means of attack—falling to the floor once more.
“Hold on!” Eve found the right spell and lowered her protection, allowing her to run after the boys. She ran as fast as she could, but the whole world seemed to be moving in slow motion. Whenever she would pass a Changeling, a vine would wrap around it and pull it to the wall, or a bunch of pebbles would hit it and throw it off. Eve continued to run, desperate for her companions. They were all she had in this strange world.
As she reached them, Eve saw Chrysalis throw TC off, launching him through the air. He landed on his feet, but several Changelings surrounded him.
“TC, duck!” Eve prepared to fire a magic bolt at the attackers, but TC flew up and dropped his hoof right on a Changeling’s nose. He spun and knocked another back before one Changeling got him. As soon as it was wrapped around him, however, the pegasis thrust out his wings and threw it back once more.
Eve charged a shot and hit three Changelings with one shot. TC couldn’t help but look impressed at the shot, but there was no time to congratulate her. Eve pulled up to him and surrounded the two with a force field, effectively blocking off any more attackers.
“I didn’t know you could do that!” TC complimented her.
“Me either,” Eve replied, focusing on keeping the shield up.
“Any chance you can walk and keep it up at the same time?” TC asked when he saw where Night Heart was.
“Ah! I don’t think so,” Eve glanced over and saw Night Heart pinned by the black creature.
Chrysalis held Night Heart down with relative ease. “I’ve never seen you around here before,” she stated, looking at Night Heart’s face. “I’m surprised a pony just passing through would risk so much for Ponyville.”
“I’m not just a passing pony!” Night Heart replied, “I am Night Heart. And I came from earth.”
Chrysalis’ smile grew larger. “Oh-ho! You come from James’ world? Perfect!” She leaned in to his face. “How did you get here? Where is the portal?”
Night Heart struggled, but it was clear he wouldn’t be able to break free. He had come here to maybe help Chrysalis get a chance at a new life on earth, but now was not a good time! If she went there like this, everyone would be in danger!
“Chrysalis? I… I understand,” Night Heart said as he stopped struggling.
“What?”
“You just want to feed your citizens, right? Well, there is love on earth. You could start a new life… IF you played your cards right.”
“Oh? Do tell,” Chrysalis smirked.
“Listen to me, if you go to earth hating humans, you won’t find much love. Love is a delicate thing—it’s easy to break if it hasn’t grown strong enough. That’s the thing about it… it’s a two-way deal. If you don’t love the people you live among…” Chrysalis’ eyebrows raised. “…You can’t expect to get any love in return.”
Chrysalis seemed to think about it for a second. Then she slowly pointed to the two ponies under the magic shield. “You see them over there? You think they love you? I couldn’t last for five minutes off their love!” She stomped the ground next to Night Heart’s face. “None of what you think you fell is real! You haven’t even seen their true faces!”
Night Heart frowned. “I don’t have to. I believe it’s the person’s actions that decide the person, and their actions have spoken plenty! They haven’t left me since the first moment we got here, and I won’t leave them now!” He used the last bit of his strength to push her front legs away.
But Chrysalis pushed him back down before he could escape and laughed. “Are you listening to yourself? I tried love once—all it turned out to be was a lie! Just like your friends… all of them… a lie.”
Chrysalis entered her transformation phase, surrounding herself with fire. The flames came up and surrounded her, burning Night Heart with a green flame. He held his breath and endured the burn, opening his eyes to see not Chrysalis’ face before him, but the face of Rarity.
“Where am I? What am I doing to save you?” She spoke in the party pony’s voice, taunting him. Suddenly, more fire raced through Night Heart, burning hotter this time. “And me? How long did it take for me to abandon you?” Rainbow Dash asked the earth pony. The flames flew up and hit Night Heart again, this time nearly making the pony scream.
When the flames went out, Twilight was standing over him. She smirked, obviously not caring about the pain he was in. “As soon as I was done with you, I forgot. I forgot all about you.” Night Heart felt his heart sink at her words. It wasn’t her, but it still hurt to hear. “And I don’t think I’ll be needing you again.”
“You’re wrong!” Night Heart told her, “You really don’t understand at all, do you?! But how could you ever understand? All love is to you is food! But there’s so much more—and friendship is a kind of love. I think—” Night Heart cringed at his burns. “I think that’s what you really need. Friendship. Because friends don’t forget! If you wanted love… you’re going about it the wrong way!”
“Oh, and you’re the expert?” Chrysalis said still in Twilight’s form.
“Well, when I came in, you sensed a little in me, didn’t you? I had a hope—I believed you could be good. I thought we could make a deal where neither you nor your Changelings went hungry ever again. Now do you sense it? Where did the love go, Chrysalis?”
Chrysalis noticed the little bit of food she could get from Night Heart was gone.
“It… it’s gone because you didn’t take care of it. If you want others to love you, you shouldn’t hate them. You shouldn’t attack them. Do good… and it’ll grow. That’s how you can harvest the love your Changelings need.”
“…” Chrysalis had never thought about it that way.
“Better yet, if you can teach your Changelings to love, you’ll never run out. Teach them to love the ponies and everypony they meet, and they’ll never be hungry. Because love doesn’t run out.” Night Heart was panting, but he tried his best to look serious.
Chrysalis thought hard about what Night Heart had said. “I… I don’t need anypony to love me. There’s plenty of love to go around without me getting betrayed in the end.”
“…But will you be happy that way?” Night Heart dropped the question
Chrysalis just looked at him. Fire surrounded them, and she took the form of Princess Celestia. “You will always be betrayed! Look at me! Where am I now?”
“I’m right here!” Celestia walked up with a frown on her face. “Chrysalis, let him go. We still have a treaty, and he is one of us now.”
No, it was working! A little longer and I could have turned her! Night Heart snuffed at the princess’ ever perfect timing.
“Oh, all hail the queen!” Chrysalis stood up and took her natural form again. “What are you doing here?”
“I’ve come because I promised, remember? We had a deal, after all,” Celestia walked toward her.
“So you’ve finally come to let me into James’ world, have you?” Chrysalis started walking toward the princess. “I thought you had forgotten.”
“I was previously occupied. There’s a problem with the portal.”
“What?” Night Heart shakily stood up, but he lay back down after a while. “What’s wrong? There’s a portal?”
“There is now,” Celestia explained, “With every transfer, the rip got bigger, and now it is unstable. Soon we will either have to open it permanently or close it forever. I am gathering the leaders of the surrounding lands for a meeting to decide the best course of action.”
“And why are you telling me this?” Chrysalis asked suspiciously.
“We have a treaty, remember? And this is your world too, after all,” Celestia stood tall before her, daring her to defy the princess of the sun. “If you want any say in what happens, you will let Night Heart and the rest of my children go.”
Chrysalis looked over at the ponies in the room. Eve and TC couldn’t hear anything from inside the shield and were watching intently for what was going to happen next. Night Heart just observed to see if Chrysalis would agree to the treaty.
“Hmm… I will agree not to feed off anypony on one condition. I want full reigns in James’ world—you won’t watch or keep track of me. I will be allowed to go where I wish and do what I wish. Otherwise, I have enough Changelings here to take care of everypony in this room. Right here. Right now.”
Celestia only looked Chrysalis in the eyes. “Agreed,” she answered.
Chrysalis smiled. “Good. Then let’s be off to the castle, shall we?”
Night Heart dropped his head to the floor. Fool! How could the princess agree to that?!
Chrysalis nodded to her Changelings, silently commanding them to disperse. Once they had flown away, Eve dropped the shield, assuming Celestia had done something to fix things. “What did you tell her?”
Celestia looked at them with a saddened face. “We need to go, child,” was all she said.
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Wha.... What happened? Guys? I have a bad feeling about this....
3707968 you and me both. I hope that TC remembers to pick me up... Sort of hungry now.
3707968 You are not the only one *sigh*, that was just so wrong what Celestia did there *looks disappointed*. I really don't want to leave the hive, nope, absolutely not. That is just wrong. Chrysalis was obviously badly hurt in the past, something where she was betrayed, maybe someone she really loved just used her. If we just go, without helping her seeing things in another light, she will only get more and more resentful. What Celestia is doing there makes only everything worse, with what she is doing she only shows that the changelings cannot trust anyone. Sorry but no, Celestia is making a big mistake and I cannot stand this decision.
So, I just thought of something... I have no idea where I am in this story... I kind of forgot about myself
I might have too many people in this story. Poor Stagequill is barely getting any attention. And I promise I haven't forgotten about you, Blazer! Yet, I'm about to add more 
Okay, MMMBrony and Golden Morningstar, I hope to bring you two in the next chapter. Also, Fantasia, if you still read this, do you still want to be in it? Because I don't think I can fit many others.
A few things planned for next chapter:
-Getting out of the hive
-Meeting the mane six (or possibly the next chapter if I don't get to the meeting)
-Cleverbuild found (Do you still want to be blind?)
-MMMBrony and Golden Morningstar "Goldie" added
-Prisoner rescued
*Phew!* Okay, so what I'm going to do for the meeting: I'll make a forum and we'll all do one giant RP. If that works, I'll put it in the chapter (or make it its own chapter)
Okay, I'm going to bed! Goodnight everyone! And I hope you had a merry Christmas!
3708158 Night Heart unfortunately, well I am a soldier and if Changlings are going to our world my duty is to worn my government.
3708539 Celestia, you know that I cannot left it like this. I have a duty to my country I sworn to protect it, and right now Changlings are threat. Well that will not take long for our scientist to realized appearance of interdimensional hole. I have to warn my country then. I hope you understand. It is like one of your captains of the Royal Guard was in Zebrica and learned that Griffons plan to invade Equestria. He will worn you, and I have to do the same.
I will protect Equestria. You can be sure of this. This land is beautiful.
3707968 3708056 3708158 3666628 3657494 The rest of you I will understand if you will hate me now. I am sorry.
3709388 I think the same as you, we cannot let the changelings without any control to our realm, that could lead to a war. We need to do this in a controlled manner.
But we need to think with a cool head here, as far as I see it the ponies have the control over the portal, so they will not just let us go back to warn everyone because that could also lead to a war, we all know how the most humans react to something they don't know and understand, if you just go there and say "There is a possible invasion coming" they will not make any differences, no matter what comes from the other side, they will just kill it or take it prisoner to start researching it and you would also be imprisoned because you could be a spy, you have knowlege that they want and so on...
So just going there, even if you manage to do so, without any plan of action will lead to a disaster.
So let us try to find togehter a way to ensure that everything turns out fine.
3710346 Agree but if thing will go south, as a soldier I will have no other option. Listen Night, I one hand (or hoof) I want to save Equestria and protect it, In a other I am a polish soldier, and I have duty to my country. I just have to warn my superiors.
Well, I have a dilemma here... between love of Equestria and duty to Poland.
3710359 I really understand you, but you have to keep in mind that we currently have no way to warn someone on earth.
Also think about the consequences, as I said before if you just run there to someone and cry out "invasion" that will lead to war, there is no question, no matter what else will happen after that, it will end in blood.
We have to find a way and if there is really no other way, involve people from the government that will not just start a war but think first, I hope you understand what I am trying to say. As you I will not allow that anyone comes to harm, but just going to the military without involving the government I would say would screams catastrophe. We have to be careful what we do, if we don't want to start an unnecessary war between to realms and I don't think that you want that.
3710436 No, war is last thing I want. Every soldier will tell you this.
But what if Changlings find other way to Earth, what if we fail? Normally I would have high command above me, they would think, have problems, and try to find a way to resolve them. Here I am highest rank polish military in a hole universe. That mean that all this staff are now on my head.
I had sworn to protect polish citizens, if Changlings pass through, and we will be unprepared. I just don't want to know what will happen.
... I am scared. I was train to manage all problems. But nobody taught me how deal with possibility of alien invasion. Without high command, fingers, weapons, and backup.
I was trained in hand to hand combat, but in this body it is useless. I was trained in using weapons, but even if somehow I got one, I haven't fingers to use it, and there are not design for pony body. Most of my survival training in useless too, because of pony body.
I never was so scared.
Damn it! I shouldn't talk about it right now. Let's go find a girls. (Mane 6) Time for brainstorm, before real shitstorm appear.
3710524 Now please cool down a little, you are not alone in this and we will solve this problem together, we are a team and find a way so no one will be harmed. As you said, we will need to discuss this with the others, we cannot allow the changelings to go to earth without any supervision, we all are aware of that. We have to convice the others, including Chrystalis and Celestia and of course Luna that this only could lead to problems. We also could suggest a solution, if you remember the idea I have told you about the exchange program, I think that would help all sides involved.
Concerning the other point, yes you are now in a unicorn body and that leads to a few problems, but must of them can be solved.
For example, you are a unicorn, so you are able to use levitation and with that you would be able to carry everything with you and use it as you would with your hands. Furthermore as far as I know ponies have an telekinetic field at there hooves so they can manipulate objects with them if they want, so this also should allow you to use things with them. About your concerns about armor, I think Rarity will be able to help you there or speak with Shining Armor about this. And wepons ... you know that you are an unicorn? You only need to learn a few spellt and you will be able to defend yourself and the others without a problem.
3710603 I am aware that I am unicorn. Just everything I know, what I was taught, is no useless. Five years of training, all my combat experience is kinda useless.
I have to protect not only one country, but to universes. I am not alone, and I am glad of this. What I am talking is that I haven't my fellow soldiers friends here with me. No high command. I can command, but being highest rank military is kinda scary.
Yeah I need talk with Shining, but I even if I get some sword (I cannot image myself with sword), and armor (this will be interesting) I will have problems with this. I have no training with swords, spears etc. And our "armors" are kinda different of this golden plate armor. Ehh... What I would give for simple "WIST" not to mention the "Beryl".
Now don't get me wrong. I will do everything to protect Equestria. I will fight you can be sure of that. It is kinda hard doing this without thing I learned for years.
Ok, that's enough of this soldier bullshit. I have what I have, and I will deal with this. Don't be worry.
3708539 The blindness sounds okay for me... as I said, my mind is sharp enough for my eyes to become useless. It would not surprise me if the others tried to help me with it, though.
3710684 Swift, I can say that your combat training may be useless, though it could be somehow adapted (after all, the principles remain the same). However, you are by far the most strategically advanced here, due to your combat experience. You are far from useless.
Also, think on this: Do you really think that the Polish government, or any government for that matter, would believe you? I mean, stop and consider how the explanation would sound. Also, we have a sort of duty to this world to keep it anonymous from human government. After this is all done, knowledge of Equestria would make humans do what we always do: try to take advantage of it. I would say only reveal this world's existence if it is necessary to our own world's survival.
3710684 Clever Build has a point. I'm sure we'll find a way to alert Earth.
Maybe I can help Chrysalis. She reminds me a bit of someone I know. I'm not sure, but maybe...
I think she just needs someone to give her love. Right now, she's having to steal love. I think she is super lonely. I do my best to see it from every
onepony's point of view. I'm a (future/amateur) writer and an actress. It's necessary to the craft.3708158 Night Heart has a point. She's probably been hurt in the past.
3712228 Yeah you are right and I don't only think that she was only hurt. I think she was betrayed in the worst possible way imaginable. I think she loved someone/somepony and that he/she just used her to gain some kind of advantage.
And the way she acts, I would even say that this happened a few times to her. That combined with the fact that her subjects came to harm because of that in one way or another is the reason for how she acts.
So be simply be friendly with her will not do anything good, if someone tries that, she will only think that she will be betrayed again, the best example for that would be what Celestia did to her.
I know this situation and how she feels quite well and how to get through to her. It will not be easy, the process will be long and painful, for that reason will I stay with her.
I need someone to buy me some time to whip up a subsonic resonator and attach a trigger to it. I also need a potato and 15 rechargeable batteries. But If I cant get that stuff, Ill resort to randomization tactics.
And if she wants free reign of Earth, she has to go through all the damn countries on the planet, and with nukes and large scale weaponry, shes going to have one tough time getting through 7 billion fucking resilient humans, plus you have the bronies who would alert the government.
Yeah, changelings go to take over Earth, Their fucked. End of story
3712314 I don't know. Maybe she needs someone who's just a nieve little kid...
I don't know. You're more experienced than I am. I just.... Songs and music can work wonders, and I have a Broadway repertoire.
Maybe we should let James decide?
3708539
Or not do anything at all.
I don't want to squabble. It's not my style.
3714475 Firstly I don't think that Chrysalis wants to gain any control on earth. She only wants to feed her subjects.
Secondly, you really want to use a nuclear bomb? Did you even think about the atomic fallout and that the radiation would contaminate everything for thousands of years. This would also start a war where millions would die? This could also start a war with Equis and every nation on it.
So please think about the consequences before you make such suggestions.
I don't say that we will just sit still by as changelings take over control, but as I said, I don't think that this is there interest. We will have to speak with Celestia, Luna and the other leaders of the countries on Equis, so that we can find a solution where everyone/everypony/everyling/everything gains what they need.
3714747 I understand what you want to say, but firstly even kids can sometimes be even crueler than adults. Additionally the problems she has is to trust someone/somepony that she sees as her equal. She was betrayed by someone that she trusted maybe even loved. So I am not sure if a kid that is good behaved alone would help there.
She needs someone/somepony by her side that shows her that she can trust others and that not all want to use her, and that not all see her as a monster or something that silly. We need to show her that she can trust others and that others trust her, that we see behind her mask of hatred and rage. And that will not be easy and will take time to get there.
3715756 Firstly (quoting a classic) there would be no war only pest control. Even with magic, Equis would have no chance against our full military potential. We simply don't have to use nukes.
In the other hand, we all now that only true resolution of this situation when Equis will be not harm is close the gate between worlds forever. I know that you still believe in peaceful existence of Earth and Equis, but let's tell it is straight - It is impossible to achieve.
It will be like conquistadors. With Ponies as Aztecs.
Countries will buy Equestria piece by piece. For some trash technology. Celestia will wake up, and sow that 99% of her economy is control by humans, and she will have to make play as humans want. If humans came to Equestria, it will be end of innocence of this race. It is true, harsh one, but only true one.
3716390 Sorry to say but your argumentation has many holes in them.
Firstly, did you ever read one of the conversion bureau stories where the ponies try to force humans to convert, for example the following(Link)?
I have read many stories concerning this and many more topics on this behalf. And I know how it can end if two different species meet each other.
My point is, both sides would create a massive amount of damage, no side would be at advantage. I think you forget that Equis is not based on technology, that is because they just don't need it, they use magic instead of it. Magic is very versatile and can be adapted quite easily. I will use an example that I used in an earlier discussion we had, imagine a battalion that casts Shining Armors City Shield, nothing we have would be able to go through this. So your comparison with us as conquistadors and ponies as Aztecs is simply invalid.
And you say just simple close the gate? Sorry to say, but this is also not possible for the following reasons:
- The portal could easily be reopened from both sides. I think humans would also be able to do so if they get enough data about the used energies and frequencies. It would be even easier for someone who can use magic
- If we close the portal, whole Equis will be at a total all out war with the changelings because they are starving. We also don't know if there are more hives then just the one from Chrysalis we know about
Things are not simply black and white, there are many things that lies within grey layers of defines the live. And simply to say, that Equis would not be able to defend themeselfs, is just not wise in my opinion and just not the truth.
They just don't have the need to conquer others, the live in peace, and who would be dumb enough to attack someone who is able to control celestial bodies?! No, I don't think that that we would be at such an advantage as you think. At best, we would be equal.
But think about it, the ponies and the other nations on Equis simply have no need for conquer, so the possibility that they would attack us without us provoking them is nearly non existent.
We need to think clearly about this and keep our heads together, and by the creator don't let yourself be provoked from someone/somepony/something , that applies to all of us. It is normal in political discussions to provoke the other party in hope to gain more information or an advantage. There will be a heated discussion that is inevitable.
To sum up what I am trying to say, you cannot just use a human point of view to try to understand a being that is simply not human, we cannot just use our standards to evaluate the behavior of ponies/griffins/changelings/minotaurs and so on. The live in a differnt culture, in a completely different environment as us. So I think just put a cap on everything will just not work, that never worked in the past it would just create more problems then there already are.
Secondly, I never said that we would give them any kind of technology, in this department we all have the same opinion and this is simply "No, not going to happen".
We would give them information to help them, guide them, so they would not make the same mistakes that we made in our past, for example we could help them with the following:
- How to increase the efficiency with there agricultures,
- Possible alloy,
-Ways to improve there steamer engine and so on.
And again, I think you just underestimate ponies and other creatures in the departmend of business sense, I don't think that humans would just take over the economic system. And don't forget the princesses have the last word in there economic system if it concerns the security of the country, so for humans to take over, not very likely.
3716527 Yes but ponies are innocent, many humans will just take advantage of this. Equestria law is not prepared of our kind of bureaucracy. Humans will just take over their world without one single bullet fired.
You cannot take arguments from Fanfictions. Their just piece of fiction. Sorry but from what I know there is very easy way to turn off a magic (EMP). Exactly how you said their are unprepared, that is why their will lost any conflict. Their are unprepared for killing, for war, their morale will drop very quick.
Sorry but Shaning shield was disable by a changlings, simply tackle it few times. Sorry but their shields just sucks. And ponies are only species able to use magic. Dragons, Minotaurs, Griffons are unable to use it. (And their fight with spears and swords too).
Most of unicorns are limited to just few simple spells, levitation, and something regardless they special talent. So many unicorns are useless in war. (probably only princesses have power to which need to be afraid) and we have special forces to "neutralized" such power very quick. Even Celestia cannot predict bullet fired from 2 klicks.
Well pegasi can control weather, but our army is train to work in every condition so, they can only slow us down. But not stop. Sorry but they have very small chance of success in war. Maybe 3-5%, and only if human command make stupid mistakes.
We now how to wage a wars, their are not. You can have potential, but same potential is nothing without experience.
We have wars, every 60 years. (The Big ones), I will not talking about small once ( to 20 000 casualties). Our society are accustomed to war (movies, books, games), everything is about war. Deaf is no longer a terrifying it is common thing. There is no such thing in Equestria. The war will very quick took to panic in country, and it is very hard for defender when his country is in chaos, and it is easier for invader. Sorry only species which can use magic is mentally unprepared for war.
But once again, there will not be one single bullet fired, humans will just destroy (take over) their economy. Remember we are patient.
3716650 So let us beginn with your arguments.
Firstly you make the asumption that magic is based on the electromagnetic sprectum, who says that? They are not using any kind of technology to use magic, they have no circuits that you can disturb with an emp. And even then, they would just recreate the spell within a few seconds, adapt the frequencies of the spell so the emp would no longer work. Simply as that, so your emp, even if magic would use the electromagentic spectrum would be useless within a few seconds.
Secondly, for argument that Shining Armonr´s shield was weak. You are forgetting one big thing. Shining Armor was brainwashed and weakened due to Chrysalis, so SA was not able to replenish his shield. If you remember the story, he needed to cast the spell in equal time frames. Even as the spell was at it´s weakest state, it was still able to hold against an army of a few hundreds changelings that were using magic against a magic shield.
Also I don't think that magic uses the electromagetic spectum, I think it is based on a complete other area we humans not even touched or thought of, there are enough things out there we simple don't know. Magic could be based on Dark Matter for example or Antimatter or it could be based on Quantum mechanics and so on, every part of the suggested possibilities wouldn't interact in any form with an emp. You are just thinking to hard within the confine of human techology and way to think. We humans are not the greatest, we are not the wisest and certainly we don't know everything. Yes we learn and adapt, but that doesn't say that we are all knowing and certainly not are we right every time.
As I said before, I don't think that an emp would really have such a great impact on an arcane energy field, and who says that our kinetic weapons would have any effect on it, with kinetic weapons are meant all weapons from simple bullets to missles.
Now to the more interesting part of your argumentation. Firstly, humans a patient ... ahhhmm nope not really. The most humans want what they can get without waiting. See for example the financial collapse in the year 2007, this all happened because many finincial institutes created a real estate bubble because it was an easy way to make money. So sorry to say, nope humans make big biiigg mistakes, I don't say that all humans are like that, but to say all humans are just financial genius and rob the ponies from there last straw is a litte over the top.
You are also forgetting that, even if the ponies don't have any war, they have a trading system with other nations and so they should know to see through any tricks that humans can pull off. Don't forget that Celestia is in her position for at least a few thousand years, you don't hold a position that long without being able to see through such simple things like a simple contract trick.
You also are forgetting that I said from the beginning that we will establish a controlled environment, there will no one that just goes from one realm to the other, there will no technology transfer, and this is quite simple because we have only one portal on each side, every side will be guarded and every party will be able to just block the entrance, simple as that, so an invasion, unauthorized travel and so on will not be possible from the start. But that part can you read easily within my post in the forum. There are more then enough points I made to ensure that exactly what you are saying never could happen.
I give you that, we humans can adapt, we are versatile and so on, yes we are, but is the only thing we can think of how to attack and defend us, see everything as a thread just because it is something we have never seen before? Are we humans really only able to look for our own little needs, unable to see more then just us?
As I said before humans can not be simply thrown within one basket, everyone is different but also everyone can grow and learn. And that is also the reason why I see this as a great opportunity for all of us, not just the humans but also Equis. We humans can grow, learn in an exceptional rate. But there is also the problem, we don't have any goal where we want to go, we don't have anything to reach for. With time, humans could see how creatures on Equis live together no matter how different they are, they find solutions together and learn from each other and just live in peace. On the other hand could we show them ways to also better themeselfs, and also show them which errors we made in the past so they don't make the same. Learn from our art, our music our philosophy, there is more then enough we could give.
You also are forgetting, that we are in Equestria and we can work as advisors for the nations on Equis. I for my part know my ways in politics and discussions. I studied and learned laws, know my way in economics and so on. So it should be possible to help Celestia, Luna Chrysalis around all this.
On last thing, why can I not use a fanfiction as argument? We all agree that is possibility is high that we live in a muliverse. That means that everything exists, no matter what you can think of, no matter how abstract it is, it exists in some way in an universe. And this story I use as argument is a possibility how a conflict could turn out. So to just say, I cannot use this story as argument, without reading it and any argumentation why I cannot use it, is just invalid in my eyes. What happens within the story I mentioned could happen that is all I say and nothing more.
3746648 I have currently technical problems at my place, so I don't know how long I can be online. And you, how are you doing?
3750173 How is your training coming along?
3750702 Same here, what I am currently doing give me a headache.
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Excuse me for the late comment, as my power went out due to freezing and my Internets company tower went down.
The stuff I asked for is for a design of my own, it is not a nuke, nukes are dangerous and for people who have no life and don't want to fight. This weapon my friend is a bass cannon to some degree, causing the pony lose hearing for a short period of time. Agienst humans it would be nearly useless as they have larger ears, in this case ponies and changelings have larger ears and are effected by it.
The batteries and potato are hard to explain, but the potato is used within the "Cannon" Its job is slowly melt due to measure heat, the handle is heat resistant, as the potato heats up, you can measure how much you should shoot it, as the design I'm using can overheat quickly. I havent built one, but it is possible with the right equipment as my friend built it. He forgot the potato and it melted. Its made of plastic for weight compensation and cheapness >.>
3756453 I also have some problems with my internet provider, for that reason I will not always able to answer.
To you question, the design that you are proposing would lead to an sonic weapon (Link). The more powerfull they are so would the rate damage they cause rise.
Such weapons are not limitited to a species, also the size of ears are of no consquences to the effectivity of such a weapon. Also why would we need such a weapon?
3765574 3761437 3756453 Ehh, I try to create strong shield... without progress... grrr. Also my magic is limitted to weak magic bullets. Ehh I miss my rifle. I need get some weapons and training from Shining Armor and quick. Now I am soldier during conflict, who don't have any weapons. Could someone help me during training, maybe if you will throw some rocks or magic bullets on my shield I will learn how to make it stronger...
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I do think sonic weaponry might be overdoing it a tad >.>
But if we need to get through groups of changelings or something else, We need an actual weapon, magic not might be able to help us, as midnight is inexperienced, Im a Pegasus, not sure about incog, or Night Heart, but the point is we need something else.
And I might be a professional, but I don't think I can hold off hundreds of changelings with just a knife...