I write this because I hope there are still some who care about this group. This those who are relatively new welcome and I'll try to keep this place worthy of being a member of. Let's start this with why are you here. What made you feel Communism was the right path or what do you wish to gain by being a part of this group.

I've already said in my hello post.

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I know. It may be some time before the other repetitively new people here get to this.

PS so people respond sooner use the little button that looks like this >> to inform people your responding to them

4687948 Well some older people not been here I guess they turned off notifications or think the group dead. Well dead groups don't really exist.

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I didn't even know you could turn off notifications.

4688484 on the settings in the group click it and your see what I mean, turning off group notifications, you also can turn off social in the feed

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What exactly was that

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You come to a Communist group... to become rich. I...I don't. I don't even. I don't really know know what I should say here. But greed is not why one joins anything related to communism

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All the companies are owned by the government. You can open up a small shop but other than that the most you could do is work in a large company.

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Where do you get the linens and dyes to make your red banners? Communism is a market to be exploited just like any other.

Under socialism, whatever artsy crafts store that workers control and make.

Under capitalism, you'd have to buy them from the market, but there is no such thing as ethical consumption under capitalism, especially when you are surrounded by it. I mean what, abolitionists for slavery in the past probably had to wear clothes made by slaves since that was the system until it could be turned around.

And capitalist revolutionaries probably had to use paper made by feudal markets.

And the feudal society probably had to eat the berries hunter/gatherers found while growing their crops for the first time.

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All the companies are owned by the government. You can open up a small shop but other than that the most you could do is work in a large company.

They would have to be "owned by the government" ONLY if it were on the behalf of worker control. A king controlling a market is technically government control of the means of production.

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If your talking about current day china then yes you could.

So you'd rather be exploited by hipsters rather than by Walmart? Tell me how original you are.

>Hispters? Because ad hominem is so cool and a white American stereotype applies to the rest of the fucking planet. And democratically controlling the means of production under popular consent isn't exploitation.

in fact the first capitalists were generally people who did quite well in the feudal system (lords, clergy, merchants, ect...).

So by popular right wing logic, the first capitalists were hypocrites because "duh...why you hate feudalism when you are ranked so high."

But Dominatus said you're trolling on skype, so that's why your arguments are shit. :^)

Does the rest of the planet have reasonably priced artsy self owned craft shops? No, such things are a "privilege" of the developed world.

Lebanon. Armenia. Those have them. :^) No one acts like a hipster there really.

We're done here. :^)

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What I meant in saying that was that Seal seems to be posting to elicit a response. Not necessarily that his statements were shitty in and of themselves.

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Well, I said we were done so yeah.

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private school

Because in the Middle East, public education wasn't a thing. Especially for non Arabs. And University Of Toronto is public. Actually learn shit. :^)

And I fail to see how arsty stores have anything to do with politics. You're grasping for straws in a pitiful attempt to offend me. :^)

upper class boy

Lel. If that's what a random working class immigrant in Canada is, then okay.

You made 3 baseless claims that have nothing to do with politics, and two were attacks on my character. That is ad hominem. I win. :^)

Your slovenian tears are delicious. XD

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Too bad, I claimed victory first. :^) Slowpoke.

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Oh, so you admitted your arguments were full of shit? :^)

I win either way.

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Armenians are a special snowflake linguistic group. You're just jeally because Russians are the most famous Slavs and Slovenians are overshadowed by their superior Croatian and Serbian brothers. :^)

No Terran, stop putting words in my mouth.

You posted to bait, not to debate, so my points were valid since I can't be sure if you were full of shit or not (which I am sure you are).

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No one has yet to disprove my statement that Communists are just a market to be exploited. In fact you've been purposely ignoring that point of discussion.

Because control by workers democracy is not exploitation. Really, YOU never proved how communism is market to be exploited. Checkmate.

>Using faggot.
Lel much homophobe.

And what does a linguistic group have to do with famous people. That is changing the subject.

Plus, who cares if you were never conquered by the Ottomans, because you were busy being the Austrian's and Hungarian's little bitch.

>Humiliated the JNA in a mere ten days

Oh no, the JNA was ripe with problems already so you did something most nations tend to do when empires collapse. Gee, I guess we have to count every ex empire nation as superior for doing what tends to happen.

And no one promptly gives a fuck about Slovenia (with the exception of Sexy Slovenian Marxist Slavoj Zizek). At least the Caucasus get mentioned once in a while.

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Oh just kiss already. The sexual tension is so thick enough to cut with a knife. Had to do it since normally this kind of thing would be Seal's duty.

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I stopped commenting on this because it was one in the morning but when I woke up I just wanted to get some popcorn and soda and see how long they'd be at it. Psst think if we take sides It'll escelate

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>says the guy who uses the term "new fag" just as much as me

I've stopped using it a long time ago pal. :P I'd ask you to stop, but I know you won't.

If you buy stuff you're a market. If a profit can be made off of what you buy, you can be exploited.

Nope, if you are paid according to the wealth you generate and through mass consensus, that is not exploitation. Markets are not exclusive to capitalism.

and what does homophobia have to do with the fact that you've pulled a cop out or a strawman on everyone of my arguments? hell if anyone here is trolling it's you.

You literally commented on this page to post stupid shit with no good arguments. You also think this group is fucktarded, so obviously you'd be trolling.

No it was just Austria at the time :P Also, as far as "who cares that you didn't get subjugated by the Ottomans" as an Armenian I assumed you'd be aware of how being conquered by them is an inherently bad thing.

There was more than one shitty empire at the time. And the Hungarians that ruled over you are bros with Turks. :^) Let us not forget who made up the Central Powers in WW1.

You seem to be missing the "10 days" bit. Also, last I checked, Armenia lost its war for independence (to the same people who got their teeth kicked in by Montenegro

10 days...using the same equipment and tactics the JNA gave you while you were safely blocked off by nations that had your back in Europe. We were right next to Turkey, Georgia and Azerbaijan and recovering from a genocide with a nation in shambles. False equivalence on your part. Plus, we ended up becoming part of the global superpower of the time.

Yes because it's completely fare to compare a small chicken shaped country on the Adriatic to an entire geographic region that spans two continents... You know what, the Balkans get mentioned more often than Armenia, so therefore no one gives a shit about Armenia.

As in the Caucasus countries dumb ass. Yes the Balkans get mentioned, but mostly to talk about how much Serbia and Bosnia and Croatia hate each other. Or refer to Greece, Bulgaria and Romania. People promptly forget Slovenia, Macedonia and Montenegro exist while people are still divided if Kosovo is a country or not.

Whereas the three Caucasus countries tend to be less mentioned than the main Balkan ones, they're mentioned far more than the irrelevant Balkan ones, with Armenia being brought up in a lot of ww1 discussion regarding the genocide, ancient history and during theology discussions due to being the first nation to adopt Christianity. Or, we're discussed for our large diaspora (which granted isn't the nation, but at least it's about us)

No one gives a fuck about Slovenia, you guys don't...do anything worthwhile.

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Skip to 1:00 to get to the point or don't really it's worth watching all the way through

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Okay first, YOU NEVER referred to customer exploitation, which is not the first thing that comes to anyone's mind regarding the word exploitation. Customer exploitation only exists when you force people to buy shit they don't need from you. That has no basis in politics, it's just a moral thing. You probably just changed the subject the second I debunked you.

Also, the words Austria-Hungary, is clearly not in your vocabulary.

Two can play the map game

Actually no one recognized Slovenia until long after we won.

Yeah, and no one gives a fuck about you guys either. My point is that you were in an easier position to secede since Serbia's main interests were with the Bosnians and Croats.

Was fighting a civil war and lost (repeatedly) to Montenegro.

Didn't stop them from fighting off the entire allied intervention and the USSR. I have no idea how Armenia was supposed to be that especially considering we won the main engagement when they were an empire.

>1.6 million slovenes
>1.3 million Armenians
Your population wasn't too depleted to form an effective government.

Slovenia never had a genocide in 1991. Armenia was split between empires and losing a large chunk of your population is going to fuck up your country that relied on the other half being there. We tried to form our own nation, but clearly it wasn't worth allying with Azerbaijan and having Turkey invade you again. So USSR it was.

We were also not debating superior nations, only how much of a fuck the world gives about us. And clearly, more care for us then they will do for you.

The USSR wasn't a super powers until the thirties (and that was more because the rest of the world started sucking rather than Soviet strength)

Thank you Stalin for not letting us suck. Is that what you're saying? Because it's horrible, but true. :P

First, regarding actual market exploitation, that does not happen under communism either way. It's hard for a worker's council to exploit consumers since it'd function on collective consensus on its worker base.

And Austria, regardless was a Turkish ally in the war.

*Greek

And the Brits and the French.

And that's the worst bit, you won against the Ottomans, only to surrender to the USSR (who promptly handed back the Ottomans your land).

Nope, the USSR practically saved us from another genocide after another few hundred thousand Armenians were killed and they brought up our land and nation from the ruin. And the land we "lost" was already in Turkish hands and "Armenianless" since they fled to other parts of the world.

Slovenians are overshadowed by their superior Croatian and Serbian brothers. :^)
Your words betray you.

Wow, I thought I had a hard time detecting sarcasm.

No, but our population was equal to yours after the genocide and war.

That doesn't mean shit. A nation losing half its population and getting fucked up is going to have a rough time compared to a nation that lacked a genocide and was made strong....by Tito (fuck off I met another Slovenian Marxist that is not Slavoj Zizek and a Croatian one...who while all hating Serbia praised Tito. Your word against his now.)