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Things I am sick to death of in modern entertainment: · 1:43am March 15th
Things I am sick to death of in modern entertainment:
-Angels = Bad
-Demons = Good
-Gods = Suped-Up Imaginary Friends
-An organized religion, a person in a position of authority in an organized religion, or divinity itself, are an obstacle for the heroes to overcome, or a crutch people need to outgrow already. Often with stolen Catholic iconography with the serial numbers filed off.
-If divinities or their equivalents appear in modern media, expect them to have a higher mortality rate than the mortals.
-If none of the above apply, good luck with religion and/or divinities appearing at all.
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Alex Warlorn · 196 views
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If nothing else, any given subversion is only clever once. It becomes downright boring when it becomes the norm.
Alot of these stories come out of religious trauma, mostly due to it being a far more vocal thing nowadays
I think the Fate Series more or less ticks all the boxes
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REALLY well-said on both counts. Indeed, it goes along with what I've been saying for a while concerning how subverting and inverting cliches has become MORE cliche than playing cliches straight nowadays.
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I'll have to take your word for it. I've never played any game in that series nor have I ever seen any gameplay videos of the games.
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Fate is an anime, video game, mobile game, and manga and pretty much all it is canon to the point you need a flowchart not including the spin off like the fighting game melty blood which is also Cannon
Definitely agree with you on this matter, Alex.
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When a series uses the multiverse the way the Nasuverse does, "canon" loses all meaning.
Counterpoint:
The previous prevailing narrative for thousands of years was to establish order by destroying the beast of chaos and preserve that which lives by righteous action informed by good judgement.
The current prevailing narrative is that of the righteous upheaval of the new against that which has grown cancerous and calcified via acceptance and open-minded foray into the rebirth of anything and everything.
Do you want to move on to the next story, go back to the old one, or change the villain?
Catholicism is just an easy target because it was "Too big to fail" for over a millennia. Personally "We know better old man and we're gonna rewrite all the rules and be happy!" is the work of children who make a mess of the kitchen while calling it a revolution.
How political do we want to go here? Because that's what this is. It's all up in problems with feminism and communism and globalization, but when the people choosing which stories get told pick who the good guys are, they just pick whoever they think will make them more money... And they've been wrong a lot lately because women aren't men and don't like the same things.
And now isn't the past, and Catholicism is nowhere near as useful to mothers as it used to be. And the world is moving past religion without knowing where it's going which is basically in circles...
What do you actually want to be different? The story or the window dressing?
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Hey you know what would be totally original and subversive? What if we had a fantasy princess who was like the opposite of princesses from 1950s Disney movies? Why has no one ever thought of this before?
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They probably have. That's why they have the "Evil Princess" trope. Admittedly I haven't read that particular spot over in TV Tropes yet, but I know they wouldn't have that section if they didn't have at least a few examples.
Of course, if you were being sarcastic, I apologize for missing it.
Unless you were talking about just a princess who is, while not evil, still takes absolutely nothing from anybody, is surly and short-tempered enough to make Oscar the Grouch look like Mister Rogers, is so foul-mouthed that every other word would probably have to be censored even if it were an R-rated work and has the muscle and fighting skill to make even the most competent bodyguard look like a total chump. In which case, well, they probably DO have at least a few examples of this too. Even if I can't think of any examples off hand, literally everything has been done so many times in so many ways that it would be literally impossible to be COMPLETELY original in any genre.
5772812 Yeah, I was being sarcastic, that was my go-to example of the most beaten dead horse version of "subversive" I've seen in fiction over the last few decades. Heck at this point making a princess who comes off like the original Disney Snow White would actually qualify as subversive.