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2018

My Reaction To "The Washouts" · 2:45am Aug 19th, 2018


SmugDash is back!

Kind of an abrupt turn there eh Scootaloo?


Ok RD, getting a little possessive, doncha think? Also, eavesdropping on every meeting? Not really painting yourself in the most non-creepy light....

HHHHHNNNNGGG!

*Ahem* I don't see what the big deal is so far, just because Scootaloo is showing interest in another stand for doesn't mean she has to automatically stop being Rainbow Dash's fan.

"Boring old flight formations?" Kid, say that to someone who actually trains to memorize that kind of stuff on the field and see what happens.

Girls, you better talk to her... also AJ, I think you might have a problem....

Twilight? NOT. HELPING.

RD, passive aggressiveness doesn't help your case or your image.


While that was admittedly cool and the uniforms are pretty awesome, "Leap Before You Look"? Pretty sure that qualifies as famous last words.

Being called the Washouts because you're technically an actual washout seems a little derogatory, don't you think?



RD: "Lightning Dust..."

LD: "Rainbow Dash..."

Scootaloo: "Scootaloo!"

Donkey: "DONKEY!"

This will end poorly...

Okay, first of all: Scootaloo, please read the air.

Second of all:
Lightning Dust: "Your friend got me kicked out of the Wonderbolts..."

Lightning, you got yourself kicked out when you're nearly killed five civilians with that tornado stunt of yours! And considering the fact that people have been thrown into brig for less, you got off EASY.

Aaaaaaand she still apathetic to the fact that she endangered lives, great...




Lightning Dust: "Rainbow’s trying to lead you down the path of righteousness… I’m gonna lead you down the path that rocks!"

Seriously Scoots, if your idol, one of the more reckless ponies you know, is pointing out that safety regulations are in place for a reason, then it's kind of a no-brainer that listening to the ones who ignore that kind of stuff is a bad idea.

Scootaloo: "What if I joined (the Wonderbolts) and dropped out super quick!?"

Ok Scoots, I was giving you a little leeway up until this point, but now you're just being a brat.

First of all: WOW, way to spit in the face of your Idol and the dream she worked hard to achieve.

Second of all: You can't/shouldn't join because A) you need an immense amount of training before you can even consider joining a stunt group of any kind. B) You're WAY too young and inexperienced. C) The fact that these guys got dropped out of the Wonderbolts for their established reasons proves that they're a bad influence

So Is "drinking through a straw" going to become a meme? I kind of wanted to become a meme.

And on another note, I dig that Spitfire is trying to scare her straight while going into drill sergeant mode, while she might be going a little overboard in certain areas, she still has a point. There's a reason why you have to go through years of training to get into organizations like these... an even bigger reason why the Washouts were dropped out in the first place, which they themselves admitted.

RD, I get that you care about her, I really do, but you make it sound like she should only be following your hoofsteps and idolise only you, and that goes dangerously close to "stage mom" territory...

Twilight is speaking my mind, Scootaloo is making bad choices, and you can't control every one of her actions, but that doesn't mean you can't try to teach her to make better choices.


"Team Washout, blast of at the speed of light!"

In all seriousness though, do you honestly think that bringing a child into your ranks is going to go well for you guys? An untrained child at that? One accident and you're looking at a PR nightmare.

While I get where Scootaloo was coming from, putting your life in danger without proper training isn't the example of doing something awesome despite your handicap.

And once again, you're kind of acting like a spoiled brat:

You have a national hero who practically adopted you as her little sister, manages to the balance mentoring you alongside having three jobs: being a weather pony, helping run the school, and being a Wonderbolt.

At this point, getting on her case for being concerned about your well-being just comes off as stingy on your part.

Twilight: "Scootaloo, are you sure that's what you really want to do?"

UNTRAINED. CHILD.

SERIOUSLY, WHY ISN'T ANYBODY POINTING THIS OUT!?

Nice save RD!

Congratulations Lightning Dust, you almost killed a child.

Follow-up question, didn't anybody test those rockets before using them?!

Lightning Dust: "Where's the fun in that?"

Y'see, this is exactly why you got kicked out!

And Lightning Dust gets sent blasting off again!

*Ding*

Scootaloo: "Lightning Dust wasn't thought she was... she didn't care about me being scared or if I was in danger, she indicated by putting on a good show, even if it meant I got hurt."

And that's the problem with her as a character and why she couldn't be reormed, at least the way she is now. Lack of empathy.

Now do you get why they were dropped out in the first place Scootaloo?

Rainbow Dash's apology is nice, however it was more so she acted a little too forceful in her attempts to dissuade Scootaloo from looking up to the Washouts.

Aww! Even her parents are there! That's just sweet!

This episode was..... a sort of in the middle kind of episode, it wasn't bad, but it did have a few flaws that already from being as good as I think it could have been.

Aside from Twi and AJ (for the sole purpose of that funny line), the rest of the manr six didn't really need to be in this episode, and it felt like they were just there to take up space. Heck, the scene was Twilight was very well done, but it should have ended with the Rainbow Dash going to confront the Washouts on her own instead of Twi being there with her, it only serves to make her come off and then confident when they revealed that Scootaloo, the untrained child, had joined them and she didn't even bother to point out how dangerous this was.

RD have the most good moments in this episode, being genuinely worried for Scootaloo's safety as well as not wanting her to follow someone who's a bad influence. As an elder sibling myself, I can respect that. However she dipped into insensitive territory by abruptly demanding that they rip up her posters, which only drove her further away.

I gave Scootaloo a little more leeway in this episode because since she's still young it makes sense that she'd be interested in more than just one stunt group, the problem was that she kind of acted like a spoiled brat in several other scenes and even came off as a little stingy.

Lightning's return was handled well, honestly it felt more natural for her to fall in with a group of former Wonderbolts, and they give them props on making it a new group instead of just using the Shadowbolts.

And as I said before, Lightning's lack of empathy is what prevents her from getting points for being reformed. Especially when you consider how she disregarded the fact that you almost done several civilians killed as if it was no big deal.

Yeah people may get on Starlight's case for her quick Redemption, but at least she worked through it, earned it in the end, and actually showed empathy for others when she realized just how badly her actions would screw over Equestria.

That being said, I wouldn't mind seeing Lightning again, but I feel like she works best as a foil/arch-rival to Rainbow Dash.

I give this episode a 5 out of 10.

Comments ( 5 )

All I know is that Scootaloo had better be flying before the series finale.

Okay so I wanted to continue our conversation with you directly on this topic instead of gumming up MM's thread with a conversation in which she was not and probably does not want to be involved. So I hope you don't mind my bringing it to your blog instead.

Well that may be true, but MLP doesn't exactly operate on 100% real world logic.

That wasn't the point. The point is that this show is intended, at least in part, to teach moral lessons to small children. Specifically young girls. And while our own legal systems (in "Western" countries) are just as forgiving of female criminals as Equestria's, there lies the important difference in what I just mentioned: in our world, the damage caused remains.

Characters like Starlight, Trixie, Sunset, the changelings, and dragons are proof of that.

You can't group all of these together like this. They're all very different cases, and for someone who made a point of calling me out for "not paying attention to the show I was watching", this is either extremely hypocritical and disingenuous of you; or blindingly deficient in self-awareness. To clarify:

Starlight was literally forced to see the long-term consequences of her actions. She is utterly unique in this regard, because she is the only character with the thought of "I accidentally wiped all life from the face of Equestria" hanging over her head. That said, what she did in that case has no real-life parallel, because it is (thankfully) impossible for anyone to disrupt the flow of causality. In terms of her real crimes of brainwashing a small town, conspiring to overthrow her home country's throne, and abducting and assaulting both a visiting magistrate and her entourage to subject them to the same brainwashing; she was not only far too easily forgiven, she kept doing it for a while afterwards. The impression is given that she literally couldn't help doing things like that, much like Discord who has to be an asshole to maintain his existence.

Trixie was initially punished by banishment and loss of her career over what was essentially a small and harmless lie. Her actual crimes of enslaving Ponyville and everything associated with it while under the influence of the Alicorn Amulet are equivalent to the chaos Rarity caused while under the influence of the Manual of Manifestation. It lasted a couple days, as opposed to what appears to be years in Starlight's case, and Trixie's control over her own actions while wearing it was at best debatable. Honestly, I think the real crime in those cases was leaving such powerful and dangerous/malevolent artifacts almost completely unattended.

Sunset actually went through an appropriate process of redemption for the things she's done, including manually repairing some of the damage she caused. Also, she's still in (possibly self-imposed) exile from Equestria and fighting to contain the magic brought into the EqG world. Which means she's not only still serving her time, she's also performing a public service.

The Changelings have been altered from the way they physically function on a fundamental level. There is no way this could have worked outside of plot arbitration via terrible writing, and the last time something like this was tried (with the Vampire Fruit Bats), the results proved to be a Very Bad Thing. I'm still waiting for this violation of an entire species' basic nature to come back to bite the ponies in some fashion, but I'm probably giving somebody way too much credit.

The Dragons, like the Yaks, are still culturally and perhaps biologically inclined to be violent, destructive assholes. They weren't forgiven for anything, and have no remorse for the way they behave. I really don't see your point in mentioning them.

That doesn't really hold much weight in the grand scheme of things. The Washouts can't even measure up to be in competition to the Wonderbolts because A) there are only three members. B) the Wonderbolts are part of a question is military force, which cannot be compared to a trio of dropouts becoming a stunt group. C) She was more focused on the fact that a young untrained child was thinking about joining a group that blatantly disregards safety regulations.

You're focusing on the wrong part of my statement here, but I feel that what you said still merits a response.

A) The Washouts are also named for the fact that they're all failures, but that hasn't stopped their growing popularity, which in turn improves the possibility of recruiting. As does their obviously much lower standards than the Wonderbolts and their readily-apparent income-to-member ratio.

B) The Wonderbolts have literally accomplished nothing in the show outside of being a stunt/performance group, which given their primary showing and the real-life military unit they're modeled after (the "Blue Angels"), they probably don't really serve another purpose and need the revenue from their shows. They are at least as useless as the Royal Guard as a military force.

C) This is the part where I really wish you had actually read what I'd written. I said

Let's not forget that when Soarin was injured, they very callously discarded him to improve their chances at victory in a stupid, ultimately meaningless competition.

He was actually hospitalized, and they just dropped him, apparently without a second thought. It really irritates me that you cut out the most important part of my statement on this particular facet of the topic. That completely changes the focus of what can be taken from it, from the most (emotionally) relevant motivator to a lesser one.

Scootaloo's cutie mark represents her ability to help others realize their own natural and/or inherent talents, tell them be more than what they are. Her more secondary talent is for building things and stunts.

I really don't want to go into this argument, because frankly the whole concept of Cutie Marks is a huge clusterfuck and arguing the topic isn't going to get us anywhere. I would like to point out, though, that absent actual Crusader activity, Scootaloo makes absolutely no effort to accomplish this.

Not really, she still has a long way to go considering the fact that she didn't even consider the fact that she was underage, unskilled in comparison to the other members, not to mention she acted somewhat callous towards Rainbow Dash.

That's not... Okay, you do realize that if you're racing somebody and you start much later than they do, there will be a significant amount of time before you catch up to them even if you're going faster than they are, right? I don't mean to be patronizing, but I have no idea how familiar you are with how math and physics, let alone abstract philosophical concepts based on them, work. And to be frank, it's not looking good. Let me put it this way: Rainbow Dash is somewhere between 5 and 10 years older than Scootaloo, right? I know they're deliberately vague with the ages, but the two are clearly an entire stage of life apart. Adolescent vs pubescent. Rainbow Dash still acts very much like a child, heroics included. Scootaloo on the other hand has become aware of the fact that she should not be chasing dreams, because unlike her idol, she has no hope of catching them.

Also, there's this:

Scootaloo: "What if I joined (the Wonderbolts) and dropped out super quick!?"


Me: WOW, way to spit in the face of your Idol and the dream she worked hard to achieve.

My reaction: WOW, what terrible writing that clearly shows that the Author of the Week doesn't have a firm grasp of either character, their situation, or what the Wonderbolts means to anything in this show.

Please try to remember that the characters have no free will, and only behave as directed by the people responsible for the cartoon.

First off, joining the Wonderbolts is extremely difficult. Rainbow Dash was grossly overqualified and still had to go through a lot of bureaucratic bullshit to get in, including a written test and the Reserves, neither of which really have a (narrative) reason to exist other than to keep stringing Rainbow along. Second, as was the lynchpin for the episode Scootaloo is physically incapable of meeting the minimum standards for qualification: SHE CAN'T FLY. Third, dropping out of the Wonderbolts is probably super easy: you just stop trying to jump through their ever-increasing number of (metaphorical) ever-more-diverse and difficult hoops to get in. Really, there should be a lot fewer of them than there are. Also, Equestria's military is by all indications utterly pointless and probably entirely voluntary.

She has a national hero who:

1: Practically adopted her as her little sister.

2: Manages to the balance mentoring her alongside having three jobs: being a weather pony, helping run the school, and being a Wonderbolt.

She is also a local menace who:

1: Is a bad example in nearly every respect. She is immature and reckless in a manner that is harmful to herself (when the consequences of crashing at mach speeds actually apply to her), other ponies' property (every time she crashed), other ponies (28 Pranks Later), public utilities (Tanks For the Memories), and her reputation (Rainbow Crash).

2: Does virtually nothing while working as a weather pony, and thus has no shortage of time for sports, napping, general lazing, adventures, pranks, and practicing for Wonderbolts. This has not changed with her actual induction into the Wonderbolts (in fact, she probably practices less now). It is unclear what she does as a teacher, but that's A) a very recent thing, and B) also appears to include little to no actual activity of its own. Teaching friendship is kind of like fighting terrorism: a completely pointless pursuit of trying to engage an abstract concept in a concrete manner.

The fact that Rainbow Dash had to swoop in and rescue her from her own poor decisions so she has a lot to learn before anyone can entertain the idea of her outpacing Rainbow Dash in maturity.

She didn't. Scootaloo was trying to back out of the stunt when she realized what it was. She probably thought that she was going to start off as an assistant/trainee, which would have been the sane approach. Lightning Dust literally threw her into the contraption she didn't previously know was going to be involved and triggered it. That was what Rainbow Dash saved her from. You know that, and again, your inclusion of it as a point in your argument is disingenuous.

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That wasn't the point. The point is that this show is intended, at least in part, to teach moral lessons to small children. Specifically young girls. And while our own legal systems (in "Western" countries) are just as forgiving of female criminals as Equestria's, there lies the important difference in what I just mentioned: in our world, the damage caused remains.

The problem is you're phrasing it as though working to atone for your actions doesn't hold much weight.

In terms of her real crimes of brainwashing a small town, conspiring to overthrow her home country's throne, and abducting and assaulting both a visiting magistrate and her entourage to subject them to the same brainwashing; she was not only far too easily forgiven, she kept doing it for a while afterwards. The impression is given that she literally couldn't help doing things like that, much like Discord who has to be an asshole to maintain his existence.

However said impression dwindled after a while, with her learning from her mistakes and actually trying to find different ways to solve her issues in future episodes.

Trixie was initially punished by banishment and loss of her career over what was essentially a small and harmless lie.

last I checked there wasn't any real banishment involved, just a public mocking her for being unable to live up to her own hype. Whatever banishment was there was more than likely self-inflicted, considering the fact that Trixie herself somehow believed that Twilight was the source of her problems despite her really being the one to save her, that could be a case of self-serving memory at best.

Sunset actually went through an appropriate process of redemption for the things she's done, including manually repairing some of the damage she caused. Also, she's still in (possibly self-imposed) exile from Equestria and fighting to contain the magic brought into the EqG world. Which means she's not only still serving her time, she's also performing a public service.

And Starlight herself is performing her own Public Service, in the form of acting as Twilight's student and assisting when she can. And considering the fact that she assisted in Saving the Crystal Empire as well as stopping a second changeling invasion, and if we can have the comics, saving Equestria from Discord's other half, I'd say she herself has earned her Redemption as well.

If Sunset can be forgiven for stealing the property of royalty and nearly incinerating her using said power, Starlight at the very least deserves just as much of a chance.

The Changelings have been altered from the way they physically function on a fundamental level. There is no way this could have worked outside of plot arbitration via terrible writing, and the last time something like this was tried (with the Vampire Fruit Bats), the results proved to be a Very Bad Thing. I'm still waiting for this violation of an entire species' basic nature to come back to bite the ponies in some fashion, but I'm probably giving somebody way too much credit.

To be fair, the changelings have no one to blame but their former Queen for that, considering the fact that even if we don't take the comics into account, Chrysalis had their empire continuously feeding on the love of others and never once considered a different method of doing things or the very least trying to find a more peaceful route.

Yet the moment Thorax found a different way for them to feed, they not only benefited better from it, they actually Thrive is a community, which in turn resulted in them having a better relationship with species outside of their own.

The Dragons, like the Yaks, are still culturally and perhaps biologically inclined to be violent, destructive assholes. They weren't forgiven for anything, and have no remorse for the way they behave. I really don't see your point in mentioning them.

The point is that despite all of that, they seemed to be more than willing to give Twilight's school a try, which in turn could allow for more peaceful relations between races. So in turn it does show a little bit of improvement on their parts, even if it's minuscule at the moment.

A) The Washouts are also named for the fact that they're all failures, but that hasn't stopped their growing popularity, which in turn improves the possibility of recruiting. As does their obviously much lower standards than the Wonderbolts and their readily-apparent income-to-member ratio.

B) The Wonderbolts have literally accomplished nothing in the show outside of being a stunt/performance group, which given their primary showing and the real-life military unit they're modeled after (the "Blue Angels"), they probably don't really serve another purpose and need the revenue from their shows. They are at least as useless as the Royal Guard as a military force.

A) Considering the fact that there are still very few members proves my point that they don't really count as competition for the Wonderbolts. Because again, the Wonderbolts are a military organization, the washouts are just a stunt group. There's a big difference and just because a pony ends up dropping out doesn't mean they're immediately going to go to a small group of stunt Ponies as a second option.

If the Wonderbolts had that big of a track record of losing members that a group of three dropouts could pose as possible competition, then the organization wouldn't have been so big to begin with

B) Considering the fact that they're still active to this day, there's no reason to say that they haven't had many more off-screen accomplishments to make up for their lack of on-screen accomplishments. And considering the history we know about them from the episode "Testing Testing 1 2 3", it's clear that they have more under their belt then a group of dropouts.

He was actually hospitalized, and they just dropped him, apparently without a second thought. It really irritates me that you cut out the most important part of my statement on this particular facet of the topic. That completely changes the focus of what can be taken from it, from the most (emotionally) relevant motivator to a lesser one.

I didn't really cut it out, I just didn't see any reason to call attention to it considering that I agree that it was a dick move. On their part, but the actions of a select few don't reflect on the group in its entirety.

I really don't want to go into this argument, because frankly the whole concept of Cutie Marks is a huge clusterfuck and arguing the topic isn't going to get us anywhere. I would like to point out, though, that absent actual Crusader activity, Scootaloo makes absolutely no effort to accomplish this.

The episodes where she's assisted other characters in seeing the deeper meaning behind their cutie marks would like to disagree with you.

Rainbow Dash still acts very much like a child, heroics included. Scootaloo on the other hand has become aware of the fact that she should not be chasing dreams, because unlike her idol, she has no hope of catching them.

she doesn't act like a child, she's just good at what she does and likes to flaunt it, there's a big difference. And considering the various points in the series where she has shown her more mature side, especially when concerning Scootaloo, that is not a fair comparison.

While I get where Scootaloo was coming from, putting your life in danger without proper training isn't the example of pursuing your dreams despite your handicap.

My reaction: WOW, what terrible writing that clearly shows that the Author of the Week doesn't have a firm grasp of either character, their situation, or what the Wonderbolts means to anything in this show.

Please try to remember that the characters have no free will, and only behave as directed by the people responsible for the cartoon.

No. Sorry but... Just no.

I refuse to use that tired excuse, nor do I accept it when it's brought into a conversation.

When I'm talking about a character in the series, I treat that character is just that, the character. Not "the writers writing the character the way they want", that's just an excuse, a crutch. in conversations like this, you would knowledge the characters in Universe actions, you don't go for the meta reason/excuse of "oh, the writers just wanted it that way", that's nothing short of just taking the easy way out when you don't have an explanation.

Second, as was the lynchpin for the episode Scootaloo is physically incapable of meeting the minimum standards for qualification: SHE CAN'T FLY. Third, dropping out of the Wonderbolts is probably super easy: you just stop trying to jump through their ever-increasing number of (metaphorical) ever-more-diverse and difficult hoops to get in.

The fact that you acknowledge even Rainbow Dash, who was overqualified for the position, still had to jump through various Hoops to get in proves my point. For Scootaloo to suggest joining just to drop out so she could join another group is insulting to both Rainbow Dash and those who actually trained to get into that group in the first place.

Disregarding what your opinions of the Wonderbolts as a group are, you don't disrespect an organization or the people who went through a shit ton of effort from when they were just children to get in set organization like that.

I'm not saying that Scootaloo not being able to fly or join the Wonderbolts is completely irrelevant, I'm saying that the way she phrased that was basically a spit in the face too what Rainbow Dash trained years to achieve.

And considering the fact that Scootaloo only idolize Rainbow Dash but never a directly stated that she wanted to join the Wonderbolts just like her, there was nothing saying she couldn't pursue her own dreams in her own way, just that treating Rainbow Dash's lifelong goal as a simple footnote to brush off without a second thought was disrespectful.

Imagine if the exact same thing happened with a unicorn who idolized Twilight and then wanted to join a group that dropped out of the school for gifted unicorns by joining and then dropping out at the drop of a hat? Again, a real spit in the face to those guys they put in the effort to join.

She is also a local menace who:

1: Is a bad example in nearly every respect. She is immature and reckless in a manner that is harmful to herself (when the consequences of crashing at mach speeds actually apply to her), other ponies' property (every time she crashed), other ponies (28 Pranks Later), public utilities (Tanks For the Memories), and her reputation (Rainbow Crash).

And now you're just demonizing her for the sake of demonizing her. Nice job cherry-picking only her worst attributes to prove a point.

So you just going to ignore the fact that she's assisted and saving Equestria multiple times, as well as the Wonderbolts themselves?

Her pros vastly outweigh her cons.

Then there's the fact that when in the Wonderbolts employ even she strictly followed the safety regulations, while Lightning Dust in the others proudly admit that they don't. Seriously, if one of the more reckless ponies is pointing out that safety regulations are in place for a reason, then it's kind of a no-brainer that listening to the ones who ignore that kind of stuff is a bad idea.

2: Does virtually nothing while working as a weather pony, and thus has no shortage of time for sports, napping, general lazing, adventures, pranks, and practicing for Wonderbolts. This has not changed with her actual induction into the Wonderbolts (in fact, she probably practices less now). It is unclear what she does as a teacher, but that's A) a very recent thing, and B) also appears to include little to no actual activity of its own. Teaching friendship is kind of like fighting terrorism: a completely pointless pursuit of trying to engage an abstract concept in a concrete manner.

Once again, cherry picking in demonizing for the sake of it. The point of the matter is that she still has multiple jobs that she at the very least puts her all into, and the aspects you just pointed out can we considered what she does in her off time, when she has it, her being a teacher is still vital enough considering the fact that all six of them are teaching aspects of the magic of friendship in order to spread it to other corners of Equestria and possibly beyond that. So I suggest you stop pulling a DakariKingMykan just for the sake of making a point, or byyourlogic the entire premise of the show shouldn't exist, and that kind of attitude looks very poor on you.

She didn't. Scootaloo was trying to back out of the stunt when she realized what it was. She probably thought that she was going to start off as an assistant/trainee, which would have been the sane approach. Lightning Dust literally threw her into the contraption she didn't previously know was going to be involved and triggered it. That was what Rainbow Dash saved her from. You know that, and again, your inclusion of it as a point in your argument is disingenuous.

Once again, you don't pay attention to the actual episode. If you watch carefully, you know that Lightning openly described exactly what kind of stunt she was going to do to the entire audience, within earshot of her mind you, she only started freaking out when she saw the rocket.

She knew exactly what she was going to do and disregarded the danger, it was only once she saw the extremes Lightning was willing to go to to get results that she started freaking out. So yes, Rainbow Dash did have to save her from her own poor decision.

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The problem is you're phrasing it as though working to atone for your actions doesn't hold much weight.

No, that's how you're reading it. Probably to be contrarian because I'm "bashing" what appears to be your favorite character. Working to atone for your actions is in my opinion the only legitimate way to earn forgiveness, as opposed to having it handed down to you by a being with godlike authority and/or power.

However said impression dwindled after a while, with her learning from her mistakes and actually trying to find different ways to solve her issues in future episodes.

And... that's not panning out. She tried to talk down Chrysalis like she got from Twilight, Chrysalis bitched out. She blasted Discord out of corporeal existence (because that's totally something that should be possible for anypony) when they were disagreeing, which I'll grant was cathartic, but also a step back for her character. Starlight is being monitored by Twilight, who appears to be much younger than her, because she cannot function as an adult independently of said supervision. At least she has the humility and presence of mind to be aware of this.

last I checked there wasn't any real banishment involved, just a public mocking her for being unable to live up to her own hype. Whatever banishment was there was more than likely self-inflicted, considering the fact that Trixie herself somehow believed that Twilight was the source of her problems despite her really being the one to save her, that could be a case of self-serving memory at best.

Town banishments don't work the same as royal ones. You don't have to be a criminal to be ostracized by society. Just look at Zecora. And Maud. The ponies are supposed to be psychologically more similar to actual horses than to humans, which means that isolation is hard on them. It's harder on Trixie because her whole career/life has been built around being a performer, not that I especially pity her, because she reminds me way too much of my little sister (albeit not as violent), but my personal feelings on this matter are not withstanding.

If Sunset can be forgiven for stealing the property of royalty and nearly incinerating her using said power, Starlight at the very least deserves just as much of a chance.

I agree. And she's been given it and made (eventually) good use of it.

To be fair, the changelings have no one to blame but their former Queen for that, considering the fact that even if we don't take the comics into account, Chrysalis had their empire continuously feeding on the love of others and never once considered a different method of doing things or the very least trying to find a more peaceful route.

That was understandable when it was believed that they functioned under a Hive Mind. The moment it was revealed that they were capable of independent thought, they were accountable for their own actions.

The point is that despite all of that, they seemed to be more than willing to give Twilight's school a try, which in turn could allow for more peaceful relations between races. So in turn it does show a little bit of improvement on their parts, even if it's minuscule at the moment.

No they don't. Only specific members do, and since your argument regarding the Wonderbolts, which is what you believe to be a military organization and not a species and therefore more prone to similar thought and behavior is

I didn't really cut it out, I just didn't see any reason to call attention to it considering that I agree that it was a dick move. On their part, but the actions of a select few don't reflect on the group in its entirety.

I would really appreciate it if you would pick a side.

A) Considering the fact that there are still very few members proves my point that they don't really count as competition for the Wonderbolts.

No it doesn't. It just means they don't have to divide the profits as much.

Because again, the Wonderbolts are a military organization, the washouts are just a stunt group. There's a big difference and just because a pony ends up dropping out doesn't mean they're immediately going to go to a small group of stunt Ponies as a second option.

The Wonderbolts are a stunt group posing as a military organization. I'm just going to come out and say it. Militaries exist to fight wars. That is literally their entire purpose for existing. They can and do perform other tasks, given sufficient support branches and resources, but the point of a military is battle. Equestria is a largely pacifist, isolationist, non-imperialist nation. They don't fight wars. This is evidenced by the fact that every time... Literally. Every. Time... the country gets invaded, they lose the conventional war. Badly, and very quickly. The Wonderbolts do not contribute significantly to aerial defense, nor do the Royal Guard do that on the ground. They are not military forces. They are decorations with military themes. Seriously. Try naming a military action carried out by either organization (excluding Shining Armor, who did all of the Guard's actual work) that actually accomplished anything.

You want to talk about "Testing, Testing: 1, 2, 3"? Try watching it again. Come back to me with a brief list of all of the Wonderbolts' historical achievements that are not performances, or which couldn't be managed by any random group of pegasi as evidenced by "Hurricane Fluttershy".

While I get where Scootaloo was coming from, putting your life in danger without proper training isn't the example of pursuing your dreams despite your handicap.

Why not? It's what Rainbow Dash did all throughout at least the first two seasons. Also, it's kind of hard to take the threat of injury seriously in this show. Remember the giant slingshot the Crusaders built to launch Scootaloo into Cloudsdale (that...somehow...worked)? Hell, remember Fluttershy falling from Cloudsdale and somehow being saved by a cloud of butterflies? What are the rules here?

No. Sorry but... Just no.

I refuse to use that tired excuse, nor do I accept it when it's brought into a conversation.

When I'm talking about a character in the series, I treat that character is just that, the character. Not "the writers writing the character the way they want", that's just an excuse, a crutch. in conversations like this, you would knowledge the characters in Universe actions, you don't go for the meta reason/excuse of "oh, the writers just wanted it that way", that's nothing short of just taking the easy way out when you don't have an explanation.

Tough shit.

I don't care what you think you're going to accept. The meta of this show is its most important part because it serves as the bridge between the fiction and reality, and it provides a reasonable framework for why characters behave the way they do. Part of story and other art analysis is trying to understand what message the author or artist was trying to convey, and why. This is something that used to be taught in schools.

It's not a tired excuse or a crutch. It's a statement of fact. Your refusal to accept that is your crutch. You want to treat these fictional creations like they're conscious living beings with their own identities when really they're just puppets used to tell a story of varying quality. In the case of a lot of other sources of media, especially books, it's fine to take characters at face value because they're the products of single authors (like J.K. Rowling, Stephen King), or at least teams (like Type/MOON) that have worked on the product from beginning to end. That doesn't apply here. The original creators of this series have long since fled the coop over creative differences with the company, and since then it has been sustained by a corporate entity that has been temporarily hiring new writers for individual episodes and then discarding them like used tissues, with few exceptions. As a result, character quality is all over the place while they behave in manners inconsistent with their prior words and actions, often fail to develop, and even regress to caricatures on occasion to suit the needs of especially bad writers. That. Is. Reality.

Grow up and deal with it.

The fact that you acknowledge even Rainbow Dash, who was overqualified for the position, still had to jump through various Hoops to get in proves my point. For Scootaloo to suggest joining just to drop out so she could join another group is insulting to both Rainbow Dash and those who actually trained to get into that group in the first place.

Disregarding what your opinions of the Wonderbolts as a group are, you don't disrespect an organization or the people who went through a shit ton of effort from when they were just children to get in set organization like that.

I'd like to point out that this line was dropped in a conversation where an adult was arguing with a teenager because the latter wasn't being loyal enough in her idolatry of the former. You don't argue with a teenager and expect any modicum of respect to be maintained.

And now you're just demonizing her for the sake of demonizing her. Nice job cherry-picking only her worst attributes to prove a point.

Okay, this is getting stupid and you're getting emotional, so for brevity's sake, I'm just going to say that everything I did in both blocks of text you're responding to from this quote to the next one was no more or less than providing counterpoints. That's it. You're acting like Scootaloo should be so grateful to Rainbow Dash for deigning to take her under her wing just because of who Rainbow Dash is to Equestria, and neglecting who she's been to Scootaloo. I'm trying to convince you to stop, take a step back, and realize that her doing so may well not have been in Scootaloo's best interest, regardless of intentions.

Once again, you don't pay attention to the actual episode. If you watch carefully, you know that Lightning openly described exactly what kind of stunt she was going to do to the entire audience, within earshot of her mind you, she only started freaking out when she saw the rocket.

Cloudsdale. Slingshot. I don't think there was a risk without the rocket.

Look, I'm getting tired. If you don't have any real points and are just angry because I'm saying unkind (and true, mind you) things about Rainbow Dash, let's just call it here because we're not going to be getting anywhere with this.

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Working to atone for your actions is in my opinion the only legitimate way to earn forgiveness, as opposed to having it handed down to you by a being with godlike authority and/or power.

Twilight may have handed her the choice to reform, but star let herself went out of her way to make sure she earned it.

And... that's not panning out. She tried to talk down Chrysalis like she got from Twilight, Chrysalis bitched out. She blasted Discord out of corporeal existence (because that's totally something that should be possible for anypony) when they were disagreeing, which I'll grant was cathartic, but also a step back for her character. Starlight is being monitored by Twilight, who appears to be much younger than her, because she cannot function as an adult independently of said supervision. At least she has the humility and presence of mind to be aware of this.

That statement you made makes absolutely no sense at holds no weight, it's not Starlights fault Chrysalis refused the option to the reform, Discord was just being an asshole in general and even then Straight didn't really vaporize him, Discord simply played alone when in reality he could have just teleported out of the way. Plus there's the fact that his "spirit" was still able to wreak havoc just as well have his physical form showed that her spell didn't really do anything to him.

You're basically blaming Starlight for the actions of others in this case, which is beyond unfair.

That was understandable when it was believed that they functioned under a Hive Mind. The moment it was revealed that they were capable of independent thought, they were accountable for their own actions.

You seem to be forgetting that they were an entire race under one ruler, the moment a different ruler took over they were more than willing to make peace with others, or are you saying that literally everyone who obeyed Chrysalis' order should immediately be put on to the chopping block?

No it doesn't. It just means they don't have to divide the profits as much.

Because a group of stone ponies will obviously make more than an entire military organization....

They don't fight wars. This is evidenced by the fact that every time... Literally. Every. Time... the country gets invaded, they lose the conventional war. Badly, and very quickly. The Wonderbolts do not contribute significantly to aerial defense, nor do the Royal Guard do that on the ground. They are not military forces. They are decorations with military themes. Seriously. Try naming a military action carried out by either organization (excluding Shining Armor, who did all of the Guard's actual work) that actually accomplished anything.

The Times They Are A Changeling.

Even if it is an alternate reality, it shows that without the elements they could still protect Equestria. Most of the incidents where they were defeated usually involve surprise attacks.

You may not think highly of them, but there's a reason Equestria still around even before the elements were rediscovered.

Why not? It's what Rainbow Dash did all throughout at least the first two seasons. Also, it's kind of hard to take the threat of injury seriously in this show. Remember the giant slingshot the Crusaders built to launch Scootaloo into Cloudsdale (that...somehow...worked)? Hell, remember Fluttershy falling from Cloudsdale and somehow being saved by a cloud of butterflies? What are the rules here?

Well we can agree that physics take a backseat in the show, there are certain limits, at least Rainbow Dash had been training since she was a child and was able to walk away from Crash Landings without that many injuries, Scootaloo on the other hand is a different case, especially since she's untrained.

Tough shit.

I don't care what you think you're going to accept. The meta of this show is its most important part because it serves as the bridge between the fiction and reality, and it provides a reasonable framework for why characters behave the way they do. Part of story and other art analysis is trying to understand what message the author or artist was trying to convey, and why. This is something that used to be taught in schools.

Considering the fact that going back and forth between with the characters would do and what's in-character for them and suddenly swinging into "oh the writers wanted it that way" territory is only beneficial when someone wants to use an excuse to suddenly complain about how the show sucks, I refuse to use that excuse or let it be used as an excuse when someone wants to throw a temper tantrum over a certain aspect of the show.

It's not a tired excuse or a crutch. It's a statement of fact. Your refusal to accept that is your crutch. You want to treat these fictional creations like they're conscious living beings with their own identities when really they're just puppets used to tell a story of varying quality. In the case of a lot of other sources of media, especially books, it's fine to take characters at face value because they're the products of single authors (like J.K. Rowling, Stephen King), or at least teams (like Type/MOON) that have worked on the product from beginning to end. That doesn't apply here. The original creators of this series have long since fled the coop over creative differences with the company, and since then it has been sustained by a corporate entity that has been temporarily hiring new writers for individual episodes and then discarding them like used tissues, with few exceptions. As a result, character quality is all over the place while they behave in manners inconsistent with their prior words and actions, often fail to develop, and even regress to caricatures on occasion to suit the needs of especially bad writers. That. Is. Reality.

Grow up and deal with it.

The show doesn't dive into the realms of reality, it's escapist fantasy. The reason the show was so popular because it gave us characters that not only felt real but also acted like true, well-rounded brings we could relate to. By using the old "the writers wanted it this way" crunch, you're basically devaluing literally everything they've done up until this point, because with that logic you might as well say the entire show is objectively pointless because the writers just wanted to be a certain way.

And The fact that you're deviating to blaming the new writers shows that you don't really have any respect for the series as a whole, simply looking for excuses so you can shift the blame. You address the characters as characters, not try to shift the blame whenever they do something you don't like by whining about how the writers "don't understand them".

Brcause like I said before, that's nothing more than an excuse and a crutch people like to use just to pretend that their opinions are the only ones allowed to be right.

You don't like it? Too bad, take your hissy fit somewhere else.

I'd like to point out that this line was dropped in a conversation where an adult was arguing with a teenager because the latter wasn't being loyal enough in her idolatry of the former.

Wrong again, considering the fact that right after she said this RD took her to speak with a professional who had dealt with these sort of things before, RD was more worried about her safety then Scootaloo blatantly idolizing her.

You're acting like Scootaloo should be so grateful to Rainbow Dash for deigning to take her under her wing just because of who Rainbow Dash is to Equestria, and neglecting who she's been to Scootaloo. I'm trying to convince you to stop, take a step back, and realize that her doing so may well not have been in Scootaloo's best interest, regardless of intentions.

No, I'm saying that for everything RD has been to Scootaloo, mentor/adopted big sis/shoulder to cry on when her disability comes up, Scootaloo could have been at the very least taken her warnings under more consideration. Suppose Rainbow Dash hadn't shown up and the rocket malfunctioned, all of Scootaloo's dreams quite literally go up in smoke.

Rainbow Dash had every right to be worried, even if she was a little overbearing.

If you don't have any real points and are just angry because I'm saying unkind (and true, mind you) things about Rainbow Dash, let's just call it here because we're not going to be getting anywhere with this.

Considering the fact that all you're doing is devaluing any impact she had in the episode and pretending that she was objectively in the wrong for worrying about Scootaloo, I suggest that you take your condescending attitude to someone who will actually entertain your biased attitude towards the characters in the show in question.

If you're incapable of listening to reason and facts, then don't bother throwing a tantrum when somebody calls you out on it.

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