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Man, I wish I was as rich as this dude. And after all these years, watching a good MLP episode is like saying hello to an old friend. Or, perhaps I should say... six of them.
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I personally think that seasons 6 and 7 have been really good. The movie was really good as well. :) But hey, to each their own.
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GLIMMER. SUNBURST. AGE REGRESSION SPELL.
Maybe if fans of nu-MLP could say positive things about the show with more worth than "Well, I liked it!", I'd be able to have a proper discussion with them.
And of course the movie was good, it was written by the real MLP writers while the asylum's inmates ran the regular show.
4690603 Well that's the thing about opinions. Everyone has them, you know? Everyone has different tastes.
Personally I think that generation 1 and 1.5 are the best generations of MLP. But I know that everyone isn't going to feel that way, and it is fine.
Generation 4 is not perfect, but I think that the writers do their best. And I feel that the later seasons (4-7) have been better than the initial seasons (1-3). Which is something you don't see a lot when it comes to cartoons these days.
But hey. That's just my opinion. To each their own, eh?
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You have the right to your own opinion, this isn't a political debate. But if you're going to tell me you have these opinions, can you tell me why? What does Gen 1 and 1.5 do better than MLPFIM? What does nu-MLP do better than Classic MLPFIM?
4691073 I actually wrote a blog explaining why I like generations 1 and 1.5 better here.
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Huh. Those are actually good reasons to like one show more than another. I could say "These two shows went in different directions, and the slice of life episodes are necessary to give the adventure episodes context and deal with characterization", but that doesn't really work now that nu-MLP has no premise, no plot, no consistency, and very little charm. It's like its new writer is an angry idiot that had his bad ideas rejected at the writer's table one too many times, so now he lets everyone bring their D game because he "Knows how it feels" to have your bad idea turned down while someone else's better idea is accepted.
4691100 Well, I personally think that seasons 4-7 of MLP:FIM have been quite good. I respect that the writers are trying new things. I think if they kept repeating all of the same things from seasons 1-3 the show would have gotten boring really quick. But instead they chose to give characters more responsibility and really evolve them throughout seasons 4-7. Now are the episodes perfect? No. But looking back, seasons 1-3 were nit really perfect either. And they were more targeted towards a very young audience. Whereas seasons 4-7 are more targeted towards a teen and adult audience. Which is something I appreciate.
But hey. To each their own. I know people are always going to like it dislike different aspects of the show for their own reasons. And that is just my personal opinion.
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What bothers me isn't the responsibility, I liked the characters levelling up. I liked Twilight evolving.
What bothered me was the execution. Instead of using Twilight's new alicorn status, Rainbow's Alicorn stats, or Fluttershy's "Well she isn't shy any more, just quiet and bitchy" status for new plots, the writers use them as an excuse to not give those characters plots. In their minds, these characters are "Done" because their "Character arcs are complete", but... that's wrong.
Twi's goal was never getting wings, it was doing science and making Celestia proud of her. RD's goal was becoming a Wonderbolt, but she didn't go through the character growth along the way and the Wonderbolts turned out to be assholes anyway so it didn't matter. Fluttershy's character has been completely derailed by people that thought it'd be "Funny" so do so. Twilight hasn't done anything of her own accord with her Alicorn status, unless it's as a background character for someone else's episode used to set up that guy's plot of the week. This show's become a chaotic no-continuity free-for-all where people can introduce long-lost brothers, sisters everyone had all along, pointless meme characters, and bad plots because Miller was told "No" one too many times while he was on a team full of people better at this than him, so now he lets his outsourced team of half-assed 9-to-5ers do whatever the hell they want, even if it's a dumb idea. Like making Fluttershy the most assertive one in her family, ruining the whole "She's shy and has always been shy" thing she was designed to be. Or ending so many episodes with a rushed ending, usually "And then everything was fine because there was no conflict to begin with" or "And then everything wrapped itself up" or "And then an OC exposits the moral to the characters and audience" or "And then everyone forgave Glimmer again".
I have reasons for not liking nu-MLP. I have reasons for thinking Classic MLP was better than nu-MLP. I have yet to meet a nu-MLP fan that has any reason for liking nu-MLP beyond "Well I liked it so there, stop oppressing me" and "My favorite OCs get screen time in it".
This "No drama! No criticism of canon, criticism for fanworks only, you damn dirty doompauler! Let people like whatever they want!" culture where people aren't ALLOWED to dislike the new episodes or old fanfics and "Need to be told" that blind fans "Are allowed" to like whatever they want, do you know what it accomplished? Here's a hint: Nobody complains about the tree library getting blown up and replaced with an ugly toy set any more. Nobody complains about three/four/five Alicorns running around any more. Nobody complains about Pinkie Pie being flanderized any more. Nobody complains about Twilight actually having a brother all along any more. Nobody complains about the show's declining quality any more. Nobody complains about the episodes that insult fans the nu-MLP staff don't want touching their stuff and playing with their toys any more. Nobody complains about the abundance of memefaces, idiot plots, stock plots, bad episodes, disgustingly bad episodes, and overall bad seasons any more. Because everyone who unironically cared about the show enough to unironically care about these things was shouted down by hasdrones and convinced to leave the fandom in disgust. All we have left are the hasdrones, who would break out into bewildered laughter if you ever suggested the brony fandom was ever anything more than what it is right now, thanks to their hypocrisy, shallowness, and toxicity. And, of course, the new people, who see a fandom full of Hasdrones and assume you're supposed to act like a hasdrone to be a true brony, and all those "Faustf*gs" are as inherently ignorant as the Genwunners.
4692266 I actually made a pretty detailed blog about why I prefer seasons 4-7 of MLP over the first three seasons here: https://www.fimfiction.net/blog/765803/i-prefer-the-later-seasons-of-mlp-fim-to-the-first-three
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Ok...
>Discord
Discord is a chaos god that lives to be a dick. Sealing his own fate the way he did is narratively appropriate. And necessary, since someone with "Do anything ever" as his power could beat gods.
>Tirek
Big dumb brute who is evil because he's evil. Only reached that level of power because he's a hard carry and Discord supported him and fed him until he was DBZ-level broken. People have complained that "Twilight kicks Tirek's ass" isn't as narratively good as "Twilight makes a new discovery about friendship, delivers a moral, then rainbow beams chaos into stone", but I thought the fight was cool. Out of place? Sure, but still cool.
>Season one is childish
Season one was when they had very little creative control over their show. Rarity wasn't even supposed to like fashion at first. That was forced in because Hasbro wanted to sell toys. Faust made Rarity an artist that creates pretty clothes because she isn't one of the modern writers, who would just shoehorn in a new OC to be the designated clothes mare, like how Trixie is the designated Shadow, Discord is the pitiful comic relief/jerk, and Thorax is Le Good Changeling. None of these "New OCs" have depth to them. They ARE their roles and stereotypes, and people liked The Mane Six FOR NOT just being their roles. The sporty one, the nerdy one, the funny one, the fashion one, the animal one, the hard work one, they had personalities beyond these checklist-ticking roles.
>Season 4
I liked that too. Some bad eps, but an overall fun season.
>Seasons 5-6
This is really where the "They're out of ideas" thing started to make itself known. Some good episodes were good, but they felt like flukes or rejected early-show ideas. Someone on the writing team fell in love with Glimmer and some executive noticed how well-received "Finally" giving some fans the "Alternate mane six" they always wanted was. But the Glimmer Six and the Equalized Five just don't have that depth or star power or anything. You can't tell 22 good stories a season with these people.
4693533 I personally think that seasons 4-7 have had some of the best ideas, concepts, and introductions of new characters. These seasons are highly entertaining and shifted the show from more of a comedy centered show to a high fantasy adventure series, which is something that I appreciate.
I personally like them a lot better than the first three seasons. But hey. To each their own.
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That's objectively wrong, but hey, to each their own.
Now that neither of us will ever say "To each their own" again, let's continue.
When's the last time the mane six worked together to stop a Dragon blotting out their skies with smoke? When's the last time the mane six worked together to stop a swarm of Parasprites from destroying Ponyville? When's the last time the mane six worked together for pretty much anything, or went on any sort of adventure?
Adventures given by The Map don't count because they're plots given by a lazy plot device designed to give certain characters "An episode together" without having to give a justification for why only those two do anything or get screentime. I like the map, but it's still a lazy plot device.
The recent seasons contain episodes like "Pinkie bakes cakes for Yaks", "Spike stops 2 people he invited over from meeting", "Ponies have a slow no-stakes kart race", "Glimmer uses an age-regression spell on her crush for spending too much time with Twilight because the writer read Babycakes on his way to the writer's meeting", "Spike and Big Mac are about to play DND but Discord is a bitch-ass about it", "Gift of the Magi except it's garbage and no lessons are learned and nothing matters", "Miller insults his haters", "Miller insults his haters 2: Electric Fuckyoualltoo", "Miller insults the fans he loathes", "Glimmer is a bitch again", and "Obligatory Bad Changeling in the Now-Good Changeling Species becomes its protector". If you consider those adventures, never invite me to your house parties.
Is it even possible to call nu-MLP good and make an argument in favor of it without using the phrases "Well I liked", or trying to pre-emptively cover your ass with the word "Opinion", or dissing classic MLP and trying to put it down in some way for not being nu-MLP? Sure, you're ALLOWED to like numlp, and you're allowed to like Rick and Morty and Legend of Whorra. Just don't call these shows better than my favorite show of all time.
4693675 You are allowed to feel the way you do about the previous seasons of Friendship Is Magic. It's your opinion, and I respect it.
But I personally like seasons 4-7 a lot better. And it isn't just because 'I like it' with no other reason. I gave a quite detailed reason why I like the later seasons of the show as opposed to seasons 1-3 in my blog.
Another thing I will add is that the characterization is a lot better. In seasons 1-3 the characters didn't really progress much. But in seasons 4-7 the characters really started to evolve and actually learn from their previous mistakes.
I also think that the writing has gotten a lot better. There are some episodes in episodes 4-7 that legitimately made me cry. I can't really say that for any of the episodes in seasons 1-3.
But that's not to say that seasons 1-3 weren't good in their own right either. I appreciate what they did; they set a great foundation for the show to work off of. And that's great.
Well sorry to hear that the never seasons and episodes of mlp haven't been all that enjoyable for you. With the movie over maybe things will start to look up.
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Which episodes in season 4-7 are good?
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I hope so. With the movie done, I hope the real writers that wrote that can go back to writing MLP.
Also, nice trips. Trips of truth confirm: The future of MLP is looking bright.
4693931 Pretty much all of them in my book. :)
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Really? Even the audience-insulting ones? Even Gift of the Magi? Even "Discord's a cuck 2: Retarded cuckanew"?
4694567 The only episode I really haven't liked in seasons 4-7 is Princess Spike. That is a genuinely bad episode. Even the show staff admitted it wasn't their best work. But other than that, I have liked all of the other episodes. I think that season 7 especially has very good an engaging episodes. Season six was good, and focused on very much needed character development. Season 5 was good and helped to introduce new culture/ locations to the world. I think each season has its good points.
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Yeah, Princess Spike was dumb.
What about those terrible episodes I mentioned? Why did you enjoy them?
4694903 There was something good in those episodes. They might have been filler episodes but that had humor and a good message. A bad episode to me is an episode that has a pacing problem, little regard for character development, and is just boring. The only episode that has met all of that criteria in seasons 4-7 has been Princess Spike. Which isn't too bad considering their are other cartoons where most of the episodes are filler and rather unwatchable. SpongeBob is one of these cartoons that comes to kind. I've never been a big fan of that show. SpongeBob also commits another deadly sin in my book: I can barely stand to watch it because the characters are so unlikable and annoying. At least with MLP I genuinely like all of the characters and find them entertaining to watch.
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Funny you should mention Spongebob, in the context of comparing Modern Spongebob to Modern MLP.
A kid that watches The Splinter is going to have nightmares about getting a splinter and a wound that gets horribly infected. Then he'll get over it. It's just a comedic cartoon and bad things happen to people sometimes.
A kid that watches Flutter Brutter is going to grow up thinking creativity is a lie losers like Zephyr tell themselves to feel good, success and being loved and personal fulfillment all come from working hard inside the system and doing things unflinchingly by the book, and anyone that doesn't have their life sorted out, anyone that isn't rolling in success, anyone that tries to do something original or creative or new or start their own business and anyone homeless and anyone that lives with their parents, they're all just losers that deserves their shit life and should just get a job and work harder. He'll think this because it's the message stated in a cartoon that is supposed to teach morals while being entertaining.
One of these things is worse than the other.
4695464 MLP has a good message, especially when compared to most of the things that are on television these days. And I respect it for that.
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I respected it for that. But this new free-for-all the show's become, where anyone can make their "Griffon Master Race lady wishes she had a Cutie Mark but she's too perfect at everything to figure out what her talent is!" OC canon and dedicate an episode to her, or dedicate a whole episode to attacking the stereotypical entitled whiny college-dropout manbun millennial, or dedicate three whole episodes to insulting all the fans Miller doesn't want while patting himself on the back for supposedly being loved by small kids even though my young cousins dropped the show after S5 and ALL TYPES OF MLP FANS are the reason why this show had 7/8 seasons... It's a mess. The morals are gone, the smart writing is gone, the entertainment value is gone. I can't even laugh about what a mess it is, like that Fallout Equestria sidefic that reads like the writings of Micheal Bay's sexually-frustrated teen cousin trying to figure out his confused growing sexual feelings through the medium of overblown(FUCKING LEGENDARY PUN) pony death and suffering.
There could be a season 8 episode that claimed Rainbow Dash was once a cowardly, backstabbing, wimpy, pathetic delinquent mare until she met a badass older stallion that convinced her to become a Wonderbolt because he was also a wonderbolt and he saved Cloudsdale from some hellfire pheonixes or Wingrats or whatever, dying in the process. There could be a season 9 episode where Twilight Sparkle goes to a family reunion Apple Family style, and we see the magically-powerful once-a-big-deal Twilight Sparkle is actually the weakest spellcaster in her whole family, her god-tier siblings still casually teasing her over her miserable power level even now. There could be a season 10 episode in which we find out Applejack was once an abusive sister-beating asshole until her faaavorite uncle taught her to channel her anger at her dumb farm life and buck trees instead and she learned to take satisfaction in the small things like farming apples and harvesting crops, which she ends up missing when her now-asshole parents start trying to use her politically in manehattan. There could be yet another episode in which Celestia and Luna of all ponies act like childish petty bitches yet again for the sake of Glimmer, and this time, Pinkie ruins everything (but still for the sake of Glimmer) and the episode spends its runtime trying to equate Pinkie being unusually OOC-tier mocked and hated for messing something up accidentally by failing/doing what seemed right at the time with Glimmer getting criticized for still being evil, and the shitty forced moral would be "Always forgive your friends" again. Not "Always assume the best in them", not "Always forgive them if they are repentant and understand what went wrong", it's "Always forgive them", because that's the level of unconditional forgiveness you need to forgive this show's faults.
These characters could get even more flanderized. These characters could be retconned and retroactively changed even more, until Batman's temporary retconned hatred of rock/punk goes from a joke to something we wish was the extent of the retconning in our show. More episodes can be phoned-in stock plots we've seen once-lesser shows do better. More episodes can spend several minutes on filler and padding. More episodes can be half-assed confused pandering that falls flat on its face. More episodes can have rushed unsatisfying endings like "Oh the dog? Forgot about him. Yeah turns out he's fine he just prefers new stuff" and "Turns out Spike didn't need to worry, the two people he fought to keep apart just happened to be the best of friends!" and "Maud gets Pinkie her cannon back so nothing was lost but the moral".
4695829 I don't really view things that way. I think the messages are still really solid.
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"Solid" isn't really a descriptor for morals when the show can do or be anything because the inmates are running the asylum. There was recently an episode of MLP that retconned the whole "There are no differences between the three pony tribes besides what is or isn't on their heads or backs" thing by revealing the modern MLP ponies are extremely mixed and in the olden days, the three tribes of ponies once evolved divergently. This show has gone from good anti-racism to bad race-mixing propaganda. That's just one example, sure, but it's the one most likely to advance this discussion.
4696628 In my opinion, generation one is still the best generation of MLP. I wrote a blog about that here: https://www.fimfiction.net/blog/765502/i-still-prefer-generations-1-and-15-of-mlp
That being said, I still give generation 4 credit for doing its best to capture the darkness and serious tone of the original series. It's not perfect, but it is still a great show.
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Aye. By the way, how are you?
4740170 I am doing pretty good thank you. :) How are things going with you?