5945085 No, kid, my argument is not that dirt should vote. My argument is that a system in place that ensures the voices of people that consider honest people dirt don't drown out the voices of honest people is a good one. 0/10, too much sophistry and dishonesty. Try again when you can argue against what I've said, not what you wish I'd said instead.

If you're really a group admin, consider acting like a group admin. See:

5944227 This guy? Going straight for the "ur a child and ur immature" ad hominems, because he's realized he can't beat me on the debate floor? Surely, a group that prides itself on "Skepticism" would be skeptical of this person and how quickly he tried to lower this conversation's level of discussion. Is he good enough to continue posting here, with an attitude like that?

By the way, both of you. What's with the way your little "Is the Electoral College good or bad?" argument got sidetracked into "You love slavery!" "No I don't!" "Yes you do!"?

To be honest, I'm "Skeptical" of your abilities after watching you two go at it. Yes, both of you.

Time for a comprehension test. A competency test.

Watch the following video, and tell me what you've learned from it.

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I was just going to point out, again, that I didn't try to beat you on the debate floor, so claiming you beat me is stupidity incarnate, but then you had to go and say something so stupid that it demands rebuttal.

First, to get it out of the way:

The Electoral College exists so bigass rich liberal-filled American States do not have their voices completely drown out the voices of smaller states full of working-class "Racist bigot plebians". That might not seem like something America should have in place, but if you reallt think that, that's why it's there.
Claiming the Electoral College should be abolished is like losing your King in a chess match, then claiming you should be the real winner because you had more pieces left over than your opponent, who beat your ass despite all the cheating bullshit you and your friends were caught pulling in the match and in the months leading up to the match.

Terms used by you in your first two paragraphs in this thread include:
Bigass
Racist bigot plebian (implied to be our statement, even though neither of us said any such thing)
Ass
Cheating bullshit
And a general accusation that we participated in said cheating bullshit. Throughout your commenting, you continued this trend of overusing curse words and implying we are horrible people, along with random rants about other things (Bill Nye's television show, accusations of racism) despite them being completely irrelevant to the topic. You got upset about being accused of promoting alternative medicine, even though if you had taken the time to comprehend what was written you would have realized that wasn't remotely what was said. You even openly admitted that you feel comfortable insulting the admin of the group. I couldn't lower the conversation's level of discussion if I tried: It hit rock-bottom the second you entered the room.

As for the video, Project Veritas has been thoroughly debunked as an intentional deception. I suggest watching this video for a primer on just how easy it is to manipulate video interviews:

And then I suggest you go back to your own video and note how heavily it relies on very short clips with no context. This is the same technique that creationists use to get it to look like famous scientists support intelligent design, or that atheists are horrible immoral people. It's intentionally dishonest, and if you fall for it so easily, I'm wondering whether you even know what ‘skepticism’ is; perhaps you're just bandying about the term because it's trendy?

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>I was just going to point out, again, that I didn't try to beat you on the debate floor, so claiming you beat me is stupidity incarnate,
>"I didn't TRY to beat you, so it doesn't matter that you beat me!"

I'm not going to read the rest of your post until you can get past this little glitch in your programming. The phrase you're looking for isn't "B-b-but I wasn't really trying, so there!". Can you tell me what it is?

...Nah, you'll never be able to figure it out.

Here, let me give you an easy out: Claim I'm being unfair by disliking a political propaganda show passing itself off as world-saving science. Claim I'm being unfair by disliking the following:

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See? I actually try to address one of your points, and you decide it's more fun to keep complaining that I didn't debate you earlier. I'm getting the impression you aren't serious.

Claim I'm being unfair by disliking the following:

And what happens when I say I think it's perfectly fair for you to dislike that episode for misrepresenting biology and then implying that facts necessitate certain social values? Will you apologize for making presumptions about my positions on issues not previously discussed? I kind of doubt it. More likely, you'll continue to insist on your ‘anyone who disagrees with me on one issue must be X and therefore evil!’ narrative. Funny, where have I heard that before? (Lots of places, actually. All ideologies use the same basic tactics. It's funny when you're standing in the middle being called a misogynist on one side and a feminazi on the other. Sometimes for expressing the same idea.)

You claimed to be a centrist, but you're acting like a partisan conservative.
Or a really pathetic troll.

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Wrong, try again.

You know, you rabid terrified little NeverTrumpers are funny. Project Veritas finds evidence of Clinton's wrongdoing, the media goes into "Shut it down!" mode, and you shove your fingers into your ears so hard they bleed. You don't have an argument against it, you don't have any logic beyond "Well it COULD be fake, and I want it to be fake, so I'll just pretend that it is!". You show me just how wilfully ignorant you can be. Then that same media uses weasel words to suggest that there potentially might sorta maybe probably maybe might be a russian connection between Trump and Putin, like one of his workers using russian sauce on his food, and that's enough for your narrative. That's enough for you to hate and fear Trump. How can you blindly believe everything fake news says while blindly rejecting everything the people Fake News tells you to hate has to say? How can you do that, and then call yourself skeptical or open-minded with a straight face?

If you think short clips are evidence of fake news, you're going to love this little list. Well, not really. You'll hate it, you'll fear it, you'll throw a temper tantrum, and you'll show me what it is to go even further beyond your current Damage Control level.

#CNN

1. [CNN Interviews Angry ‘Protestor’ who is Really Cameraman John Grkovic](http://imgur.com/Ox93grz)

2. [CNN Claims Anti-Trump Protest in Cincinatti, Shows Month Old Photo from Los Angeles](http://imgur.com/u175aDV)

3. [CNN’s *Headline News* Interviews Hero, Blurs Out his “Trump 2016” Shirt](http://imgur.com/fwfbwpL)

4. [CNN Reporter Caught Misrepresenting Hillary Clinton Crowd Sizes](http://imgur.com/Vm30fiF)

5. [CNN’s Chris Cuomo Admits that CNN & the Media are Hillary Clinton’s Biggest Promoters](http://imgur.com/jMXOGE9)

6. [CNN’s Cuomo To Obama’s Education Secretary: CNN will ‘shame’ Congress into Accepting your Plan](http://imgur.com/9VqjnwH)

7. [CNN Disputes Existence of Hillary Audiotapes; CNN Reported on the Same Tapes Previously](http://imgur.com/RvUJtnO)

8. [CNN Edits Out Clinton’s Use of the Word ‘Bomb,’ Attacks Trump for Saying ‘Bomb’](http://imgur.com/ceukGbA)

9. [CNN Deceptively Edits Trump Interview, Swaps His Answers to Different Questions to Manufacture Claim he Wants to Start a 'Muslim registry'](http://imgur.com/zCtIrhT)

10. [CNN Edits Out the Word ‘Crooked’ when Reporting Trump’s Tweet on Hillary](http://imgur.com/cwx36J6)

11. [CNN Falsely Claims Trump Told Crowd to Vote Twice, then Stealth Edits its Story, but Only After Media Outlets Report CNN's Lie](http://imgur.com/40VFLoc)

12. [CNN Denies Facts About Hillary’s Legal Career; CNN Previously Reported Those Same Exact Facts - down to the exact words. ](http://imgur.com/2SS3mHF)

13. [CNN Repeatedly Claims George Bush Sr. Signed NAFTA. It was Bill Clinton](http://imgur.com/Rx5IJnk)

14. [CNN Falsely Claims Loretta Lynch Recused Herself of All Clinton-Related Decisions](http://imgur.com/oG0ur9t)

15. [CNN’s Donna Brazile Caught Sneaking Debate Questions to Hillary Clinton](http://imgur.com/w3Jt7B8)

16. [CNN’s Pam Brown Caught Coaching a Presidential Debate Focus Group](http://imgur.com/TX6QZB2)

17. [CNN Caught Colluding with DNC on Questions for Trump, Cruz](http://imgur.com/bS7kLSh)

18. [CNN Seen Planting Questions in Healthcare Debate; Paper Says “Your Question”](http://imgur.com/LR6ksGZ)

19. [CNN Executive’s Spouse Caught Colluding with DNC, Tipping Them Off on Unreleased Polls](http://imgur.com/QMFXUso)

20. [CNN Claims Election Hacking is Impossible Before Election, Blames Trump’s Victory on Hacking](http://imgur.com/1eXPiAZ)

21. [CNN Reports on ‘Election Hacking’ with Footage from *Fallout 4* Video Game](http://imgur.com/feTcDhA)

22. [CNN Headline Falsely Implies Damning Info About Trump’s Contact with Russia](http://imgur.com/X1wFwbd)

23. [CNN Pushes Fake News Story About Russians Hacking Vermont Power Grid](http://imgur.com/L9MVjBN)

24. [CNN Falsely Reports that Russia Retaliated to Sanctions by Closing American School](http://imgur.com/9Vs526S)

25. [CNN Contributor Falsely Asserts that WikiLeaks’ Julian Assange is a Pedophile](http://imgur.com/I6UN4bw)

26. [CNN’s Dan Merica Claims there’s Nothing to See in WikiLeaks; CNN’s Dan Merica is Implicated in Wikileaks](http://imgur.com/xEm3fWD)

27. [CNN Falsely Tells Viewers that it is Illegal to View WikiLeaks](http://imgur.com/qd6yXZq)

28. [CNN ”Loses Connection” When Congressman Brings Up WikiLeaks](http://imgur.com/UN1wGaq)

29. [CNN “Loses Connection” When Reporter Brings Up Hillary’s Past Criminal Justice Reforms](http://imgur.com/VDVSAht)

30. [CNN “Loses Connection” When Muslim Trump Supporter Brings Up Amir Khan’s Wife](http://imgur.com/TTdPwMP)

31. [CNN “Loses Connection” When Congressman Brings Up FBI’s Terrorism Stats on Refugees](http://imgur.com/HdE9Jaw)

32. [CNN “Loses Connection” When Guest Brings Up Jesus (and Preaches Unity) in Wake of Ferguson Shooting](http://imgur.com/8u3ukko)

33. [CNN “Loses Connection” When Marine Expresses Support for Ron Paul](http://imgur.com/FeHirnS)

34. [CNN “Loses Connection” When Bernie Sanders Jokes that CNN is ‘Fake News’](http://imgur.com/Bzprk8Y)

35. [CNN Falsely Labels the Metal Band *Hatebreed* as a White Supremacy Group](http://imgur.com/jGKoz3y)

36. [CNN Equates African Americans with Felons](http://imgur.com/Z1C9GLz)

37. [CNN’s Charles Kaiser, who is white, has a debate with an African American guest. Kaiser states that Steve Bannon “uses the word nigger.” The CNN moderator, Dana Bash, begins crying and ends the interview. Kaiser later admits that Bannon never used the N-word and then he apologizes, unclear to whom.
](http://imgur.com/Uce1lhn)

38. [CNN Reporter Claims That Trump Only Meets with ‘Mediocre Negroes’ & Black Entertainers; Trump Met with MLK III Earlier that Day and Plans to Meet with over 100 African American Leaders, Few of Whom are Entertainers ](http://imgur.com/SjeQhUC)

39. [CNN Uses False Story for Absurd Report, Discusses ‘If Jews are People’](http://imgur.com/wt9yt0k)

40. [CNN Contributor Falsely Claims Trump Told the Crowd at a Rally to Give the Nazi Salute](http://imgur.com/ufpghJp)

41. [CNN Reporter Compares Trump to Hitler at Journalism Event; CNN President Looks on as he Bids on Obama Photos](http://imgur.com/L8B4qy9)

42. [CNN Falsely Claims (over and over) that Donald Trump Called for “Racial Profiling”](http://imgur.com/mjLaAbc)

43. [CNN Headline Implies Trump’s Executive Order Caused Hawaii Man’s Death](http://imgur.com/faD6rlv)

44. [CNN’s Errol Lewis Pushes False Story that Trump’s Executive Order Caused Michigan Woman’s Death](http://imgur.com/sLheigC)

45. [CNN Falsely Reports White House Staffers Gifted Sean Spicer Several Supersoakers](http://imgur.com/EnELz0X)

46. [CNN Says Secret Service had Several’ Meetings with Trump About 2nd Amendment Comment; It had Zero](http://imgur.com/YO6lUTR)

47. [CNN Falsely Claims Melania Trump Blew Off Akie Abe During Japanese Visit](http://imgur.com/tBYVkPT)

48. [CNN Falsely Claims Trump Brought Neil Hardiman to DC as a ‘decoy’; Hardin wasn’t in DC to Begin with](http://imgur.com/hFGC8cY)

49. [CNN’s Jeff Zelaney Pushes Fake Story About Supreme Court ‘Twitter Contest’](http://imgur.com/y7Q6eZe)

50. [CNN Falls for Fake News About CNN, Apologizes for Airing Porn it Never Aired](http://imgur.com/GmiNTPt)

51. [CNN Host Cites False Tweet From Democrat Senator as 'Best Resource' to Attack Sessions](http://imgur.com/hWGcAKP)

52. [CNN’s Brian Stelter Falls for Fake News, Promotes YouTube Prankster’s Hoax Video](http://imgur.com/7mwifH9)

53. [CNN Popularizes the term ‘Fake News’, Later Says it’s Like the N-word](http://imgur.com/8lEhwbS)

54. [CNN lies about Nancy Sinatra’s Reaction to Trump’s Song Choice at Inauguration](http://imgur.com/yhEevOX)

55. [CNN Falsely Claims it Tied Fox News for Ratings on Trump’s Inauguration Day](http://imgur.com/2bKbIKi)

56. [CNN Demands Dr. Drew Retract Statements on Hillary Clinton’s Health, Cancels His Show Because of the Comments](http://imgur.com/Xw9BdMc)

57. [CNN Fakes Satellite Feed; Same Bus Seen in the Background](http://imgur.com/b1kGdKJ)

58. [CNN Prioritizes Donald Trump’s Choice of Cutlery Over Chemical Warfare](http://imgur.com/2PJoaFJ)

59. [CNN Crew Caught Joking About President Trump Dying in a Plane Crash](http://imgur.com/lHK621I)

60. [CNN Confuses Faith Evans with Faith Hill, Announces Hill’s Collaboration with Biggie Smalls](http://imgur.com/57JpHzO)

61. [CNN Reports on Breitbart’s Julia Hahn, Misidentifies Breitbart’s Julia Hahn](http://imgur.com/4BU95L7)

62. [CNN Reports on Former CIA Director, Picture is of Dead TV Host with Same Name](http://imgur.com/VGyheaT)

63. [CNN Reports on Ghana Election; Story is Riddled with False Statements](http://imgur.com/28zNCzO)

64. [CNN Makes Questionable Report on Hospital, Hospital CEO's Lawsuit is Successful Well so Far](http://imgur.com/9fgFPUK)

65. [CNN Anchor Claims 12 year old Girls are ‘the problem’ for Not Wanting to See Penises](http://imgur.com/5oELGM8)

66. [CNN Reports on ‘ISIS Flag’ at Gay Pride Parade; Flag Depicts Dildos & Buttplugs](http://imgur.com/17zZDj6)

67. [CNN Reports Deadliest Terrorist Attack in Germany Since 1980: ‘truck crash’](http://imgur.com/kHJz16x)

68. [CNN’s Don Lemon Falsely Claims Anyone Can Buy an Automatic Weapon, Has No Idea What an Automatic Weapon is](http://imgur.com/hdbxSSI)

69. [CNN Runs Highly Misleading Headline About Congressional Action on Gun Control](http://imgur.com/ymUpqH1)

70. [CNN Pushes the Widely Debunked “Hands Up, Don’t Shoot” Narrative (Ferguson)](http://imgur.com/BN88iJe)

71. [CNN Deceptively Edits Video of Keith Scott Shooting, Removes Police Yelling ‘Drop the Gun’ (Charlotte)](http://imgur.com/pLjJKt0)

72. [CNN Edits Out Sherelle Smith’s Calls for Violence, Reports her Message of ‘Peace’ (Milwaukee)](http://imgur.com/up5bCfk)

73. [CNN Reporter Claims Baltimore Police Officers are Military Veterans ‘ready to do battle’](http://imgur.com/93Lc3c8)

74. [CNN Anchor Says Gunman who Stormed Dallas Police HQ was ‘courageous & brave’, Gives Nonapology](http://imgur.com/C5Ws4H4)

75. [CNN’s Don Lemon on Torture of Young Man with Special Needs: ‘I don’t think it’s evil’](http://imgur.com/9yNhX5j)

76. [CNN Claims Howard Stern Verified Story on Trump; Howard Stern Directly States that CNN is Lying](http://imgur.com/Vd6Rnqu)

77. [CNN Publishes Story Saying *La La Land* Won Best Picture; *Moonlight* Won](http://imgur.com/QStpBE6)

One more thing...

#FAKE NEWS (GENERAL)

1. [New York Times reporting on made up quotes from Trump's CPAC Speech](http://archive.is/56fFu)

2. [Yahoo falsely claims Clinton got most votes ever](http://archive.is/NwvXM)

3. [Time Magazine falsely reported that Trump had removed the Martin Luther King Jr. Bust from the Oval Office](http://archive.is/SLq2t)

4. [ABC News Admits To Editing Ari Fleischer’s Praise Of Trump’s Press Secretary To Sound Like Attack](http://archive.is/fPN7k)

5. [Media Was SILENT When Leaked Audio Revealed Hillary Wanted To Rig Foreign Elections!](http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/02/audio-media-silent-leaked-audio-revealed-hillary-wanted-rig-foreign-elections/)

6. [MEDIA WON’T IDENTIFY ONCE-DEPORTED MURDERER WHO RAPED WOMAN AS ‘ILLEGAL’](https://www.infowars.com/media-wont-identify-once-deported-murderer-who-raped-woman-as-illegal/)

7. [Illegal Immigrant Mom Kills Own 4yo Daughter 'For Not Brushing Her Teeth,' Media Hides Illegal Status](http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=56226)

8. [Man Who Claimed Mom Died In Iraq Due to Trump’s ‘Ban’ FUCKING LIED!](http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/02/fake-news-man-claimed-mom-died-iraq-due-trumps-ban-lied/)

9. [NBC Blows Up Truck for Fake News Story](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fslEpQGw0M)

10. [ABC Fakes Crime Scene for Fake News Story](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YwIkknxE8E)

11. [Nancy Pelosi Uses Fake Tweet as "Evidence" of Watergate-sized Conspiracy in the Trump Administration](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Qt_vhq7qpk)

12. [CNN THINKS MATH IS RACIST!](http://www.informationliberation.com/files/math_is_racist.jpg)

13. [CNN tells voters what to say](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqCIub3SmCI)

14. [CNN thinks Trump using forks to eat KFC is more important than a poisonous gas attack](https://i.redd.it/fv9r74xvy7dx.jpg)

15. [CNN Reporter Whines On Live TV About Trump Ignoring His Questions!](http://www.theamericanmirror.com/cnn-reporter-whines-live-tv-trump-ignoring-questions/)

16. [CNN Won't Report That It Costs $64,370 To Resettle Just ONE Refugee. CNN Is Fake News](http://thetruthdivision.com/2017/02/busted-dems-refuse-admit-much-costs-resettle-just-one-refugee/)v

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How can you blindly believe everything fake news says while blindly rejecting everything the people Fake News tells you to hate has to say?

How do you decide which news is real, and which is fake?

If you think short clips are evidence of fake news,

Did you watch the video I posted?

Also, I win. You did exactly what I expected you to do: Ignore any implication that I'm not an evil strawman.

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>Also, I win.
But Turdy, how can you win if you "Weren't playing"?

Christ, the doublethink with you.

>How do you decide which news is real, and which is fake?
Oh, I don't know, maybe you should put your biases and prejudices away and look at who has more evidence. Do you think you could do that for me?

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But Turdy, how can you win if you "Weren't playing"?

1. I started ‘playing’ three comments back, dumdum.
2. I give you three guesses to figure out what, specifically, I won. Since I actually said what it was, it shouldn't be hard.

Christ, the doublethink with you.

‘Fake news’, ‘doublethink’… Are you intentionally using buzzwords, or is it just how you talk?

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Oh, I don't know, maybe you should put your biases and prejudices away and look at who has more evidence. Do you think you could do that for me?

I do that. And I come up with Project Veritas being fake and there being an actual problem with Russia interfering in the election. Now what?

I also come up with free speech being threatened in universities and a violent leftist movement gaining strength, by the way. In case you were about to accuse me of being biased towards ‘da libruls!’ again.

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>Project Veritas being fake
>there being an actual problem with Russia interfering in the election

ERROR 707: EVIDENCE NOT PRESENTED

>‘Fake news’, ‘doublethink’… Are you intentionally using buzzwords, or is it just how you talk?
Loud whining coming from the guy who only speaks in CNN-watching liberal talking points. What's next, will you call me a bigot, call the wall a bigot, or insult Trump's skin tone?

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1. You didn't ask for evidence.
2. Read my previous comment again, I added something.

You do realize that attacking me for ad hominems that I haven't made is an ad hominem, right?

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>I also come up with free speech being threatened in universities and a violent leftist movement gaining strength, by the way. In case you were about to accuse me of being biased towards ‘da libruls!’ again.
You shouldn't need to be asked to back up your claims. Holy shit. Seriously, holy shit. Are you used to people accepting what you say without question? Spend less time in your echo chamber.
Also, nice try. I'm a centrist, you've already gone full liberal, admitting the babies have a tendency to throw temper tantrums is a start, but that's it.

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Also, nice try. I'm a centrist,

Since you're going to continue with the ad hominems and ignore the video I posted about general skeptical techniques for identifying deceptively edited video interviews, let's try another avenue of inquiry: If you're a centrist, name one position you take that isn't conservative. Go ahead, I'll wait.

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Since you're going to continue with the ad hominems and ignore the video I posted while claiming it's a "Skeptical technique" to doggedly ignore evidence that doesn't agree with your worldview, try getting through this video.

>If you're a centrist, name one position you take that isn't conservative. Go ahead, I'll wait.
If you're a centrist, get over your fear of conservatives. You wouldn't believe how eye-opening it is, as a former liberal, to see how many of my """fellow comerades in rationality and logic""" turn into rabid insult-hurling animals willing to toss labels and buzzwords around while projecting onto their opponents the very second you question their echo chamber's dogma. You calling me a conservative for disagreeing with you is like an old fictional American accusing anyone who disagrees with him of being a communist. Except he's a fictional character made to look stupid, and you're matching him. So, I suppose, it's not really the same at all.

But sure, if you want me to prove you wrong again, let me say something like "Abortion is not a big deal and the government shouldn't fund it or prohibit it. The super PACs calling themselves women's charities while painting enemies of liberalism as bible-bashers should put their money where their mouth is and set up free abortion services if they're really so obsessed with free abortion for all". Or, perhaps, if I say "God isn't real", I'll look less like an "Evil alt-right-winger" to your lunatic liberal ass. Far-left? More like Far-removed-from-reality!

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You managed to not understand a single thing I said. As I thought at the beginning, there's no point in talking to you.

Have fun celebrating your victory. Given that you failed to convince me that you were anything other than stupid, neither of us learned anything new, and there isn't even an audience to persuade one way or another in this nearly-abandoned group, I wonder what exactly you think the point of winning an argument is.

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Stay mad bby. :D