Things to ponder...

Something we all need to read. Chaser to go with that shot.

Gee, I wonder why the internet's overrun with this stuff. It's just fiction though, right?

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[Steel Resolve]

Yeah, actually. Here, it is. Actual child porn needs to be found and prosecuted. Stories or images depicting fictional characters of indeterminate age having fictional relations does not equate to actual child victims. No one would ever argue that a crime should not be stopped and punished.

[GivingSpider]

I'll certainly agree that the efforts to prosecute people who produce content while turning children into victims is horrid but there is a very distinct difference between fiction and non-fiction.

The fact that you aren't drawing attention to stories on site with child characters in scenes involving excessive gore tells me that either you know the difference but you feel that violence and sex ought to have different censorship standards (which to me is bizarre), or that you're just upset about the exploitation of children (and rightfully so) and are venting at an easy target.

Either way: is this really a productive reaction?
Raising awareness about an actual problem is helpful but directing anger in the direction of fictional content diminishes the point. Efforts need to be zeroed on the ones making actual victims. Demanding that the scope get broadened is only to make actual predators more likely to slip through the cracks in the system, thanks to more 'cannon fodder' littering the field.

[Whiteout]

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I'ma stop you right there and lay this out bluntly.

Fetishizing sex with kids is not morally okay. Period, end of story.

Yes, I explicitly count sapient marshmallow horses as people, for the purpose of 'kids'. Yes correlation is not causation, but when we've got convicted pedophile bronies swinging back by the site to out themselves, it's past time to start asking hard questions about the standards the site is holding itself to, and what it is choosing to host and condone.

... and what that says about us as a community that is about to be without a show.

[GivingSpider]

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I've noticed your lack of outrage over fics with child characters in scenes with excessive gore.
Again.
I'm not honestly convinced that protecting children is an issue for you. I think you're making noise for the sake of making noise.

Want to do something proactive?
Contact the site moderators with your complaints.
Or make your own site and control content how you see fit.

[Whiteout]

5130258

That's a nice bit of awkward whataboutism you've got going there, but yeah, I'm not a fan of lovingly detailed graphic depictions of violence against children for the edification of those who get off on it either. Not really material to the conversation at hand though.

Contacting the site moderators hasn't accomplished anything, and as so far as I can tell by the 500+ sex-tagged stories that come up from a 'foalcon' keyword search, they are fine with this sort of content being a part of their site.

[Steel Resolve]

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That is an opinion you are having, and you are welcome to it, but don't confuse your opinion with any sort of fact. Yes, people who abuse children need to be found and punished. People who seek out and view pornography that victimizes children are in fact perpetuating the crime themselves, even if only removing themselves from the abuse by one degree.

People who read erotica or view the same are not either of those, regardless of the depicted age of the fictional characters. You can be squicked out if you wish, but stop equating criminals with noncriminals.

If I write a story about shooting you in the face, I have not actually committed a crime, because you, in fact, have an intact face. Others who read said story will not have witnessed a crime, except possible a literary one as I abuse the written word. I could likewise have an artist draw us a nice image of me shooting you in the face, and still no crime would be committed. If however I was to actually find you and even slap you in the face, that would be assault. That does not make my previous fictional depictions of crimes into actual crimes. They would be taken as evidence of previous intent to harm you, I'd imagine, but they would not be crimes.

I get that this bothers you, but seriously, it's time to stop. Yes, actual criminals need to be found and punished. That does not make erotica a crime.

[Whiteout]

5130341

I take distinct umbrage to you attempting to characterize fetishizing child sexual abuse as 'erotica', but the more cogent point is this:

At no point have I argued that the content hosted here is illegal. As far as I know, per the SCOTUS, written depictions of the sexual abuse of children are not child pornography.

It is however, content that is distasteful in the extreme (as it should be) to anyone not trying desperately to normalize their own fringe kinks, and the site choosing to host it provably (see above link re: self-described convicted pedophile) draws the people who are most likely engage in illegal activity to the site's community. This is an old, familiar, and obvious refrain for those who have spent time in other niche online communities in the past.

In short, when you put out roach bait, you get roaches. That's how you get 4chan. I implore you, be better than that.

[Steel Resolve]

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Your roach bait analogy is dishonest and honestly a stretch. The two sites you complain about; Derpibooru and Fimfiction, both have a basic filter that requires you to turn on mature content. Merely hosting such content is not nearly the same as putting it out in the open with the intent to attracting pests. It's more akin to locking it away in a drawer but leaving the key hanging next to said drawer for those who wish to open it.

And yes, sexual content written about characters of any age can be broadly classified as erotica. And inherently, there is nothing wrong with that. Fimfiction's problem, if it can be said to have one in particular, is the lack of complex filtering that would allow a discerning person such as yourself to filter out content they find objectionable from content you don't. You clearly allow mature content, or you wouldn't be bothered by any of this, but you don't like that the particular kind that offends you even exists, much less that it's ever brought to your attention via the feature box.

Derpi does not have that problem. You can choose to individually filter anything you find the least objectionable. The staff encourage it and even actively enforce it. Knighty is presumably working on such a filter, but one has never materialized. Regardless, I reiterate: the reason you know that material exists is you actively opened that drawer full of content. It's not the site's responsibility to police its content beyond making certain it complies with the law, it's your responsibility to ignore what you don't like. And you sir have clearly failed.