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Jul
1st
2012

Writer's Workshop #3: Thou vs. Thee and -est vs. -eth · 6:42pm Jul 1st, 2012

Okay, so I know I just did a Writer's Workshop a couple of days ago, but I got the idea to do another one from one of my stories I'm proof-reading.

Lesson of the Day: Grammar.

Today, I'm going to teach you how to write for Luna. (I'm going to level with you: I'm double checking all of this on Wikipedia, since I obviously don't use Early Modern English grammar that frequently. If you're confused, go there.) Most of it is pretty similar, of course. I, we, and third-person nouns are done more or less the same. It's when we get to the second-person singular informal and the second-person plural that things start getting interesting.

So, let's start with "thou," the second-person singular informal. Yeah, "thou" is actually less formal than "you." Thou is used just like "you" if you are talking to one person. So, "you are my friend," "thou art my friend." Simple, right?

Let's move on to the objective form. When "you" is the direct object, it doesn't change. "Thou," however, does. It's called declension, and it's not that common in modern English. Or, at least, you don't learn it as such. But "I" and "me?" Same change. "Me" is the objective form of "I." So what is the objective form of "thou?" "Thee." So when you say, "I'll met you in the park," you change it to "I'll meet thee in the park." Again, straightforward. You change it just like you would change "I" to "me."

Next, the genitive/possessive. Let's look at "I" as our example again. When you want to say "I" own something, what do you say? It's "my" thing. "Thou" does the same thing; it changes to "thy." So what is "thine," then? It's "thy" when modifying an objective noun. Confused yet? "Thy car is in the driveway" is modifying a nominative noun, "car." However, if I change the sentence to, "I moved thine car," the "thy" has to change. With me so far? Then you get one more weirdness. If the word begins with a vowel or the letter h, you have to use "thine" regardless of its usage. So: "Thine eyes are red; hast thou been crying?" (Note that, in those days, "my" did the same thing too.)

Don't forget, of course, that the predicate nominative is in the nominative form (as might be obvious). I know it's been a while since 7th grade English class, so let me explain: the predicate nominative is when you use a noun after "is," more or less. So, for example, "This is my box," with "box" being the predicate nominative. Luna has a good example of this in "Luna Eclipsed:" "It was thou who unleashed the powers[...]"

So, to recap: "thou" for subjects, "thee" for objects, "thy" or "thine" for possessive adjectives.

If "thou" is the subject of the sentence, the conjugation for the verb is the "-(e)st" you're so familiar with. Here are some Luna examples: "[...] [T]hou likest me to scare you?" "What is this fun thou speakest of?" "Hast thou come to make peace?" Pretty easy, huh? Here are some exceptions: "are" becomes "art," "have" becomes "hast," "do" becomes "dost," "shall" becomes "shalt," and "will" becomes "wilt." Don't get me started on "beest" and "doest;" those are little above this lesson plan. Let's just move on to the next topic.

The second-person plural is "ye." You can use "you," since Luna does in "Eclipsed," but "ye" is better. "You" is the objective form, as a matter of fact. Otherwise, it acts just like "you". "Ye" can also be used as the second-person singular formal. (Basically what happened was, the nominative form changed to "you," and then "thou" became less popular when the thorn disappeared. I'm getting pretty deep into linguistic history by this point, so I'll leave it at that.) I'm... pretty confident the conjugation is just like "you," e.g. "are," but I'm not totally sure.

While I'm on the subject of verb conjugation, I'm sure you're all asking, "Where are 'doth' and 'hath'?" That's what was originally used for third-person singular nouns. So, "She doth not sleep." However, the current verb form, e.g. "does", was also used in that time. So you can mix it up however you want in that case, e.g. "She does not sleep."

I... think that's all I want to say. Remember this: don't use the archaic conjugations incorrectly. You wouldn't say, "He are running to the store," nor would you say, "You am working on the project." Likewise, you can't say "He art running to the store," nor can you say, "Thou beeth working on the project." Those are both wrong.

BONUS ENDING!
Luna does actually make a mistake in "Luna Eclipsed," but it's weird. She says, "Thou even got the bells right." Your first thought might be, "It should be 'gotest,' right?" Uh, no. See, this usage of "got" is very modern and informal. "Got" comes from "get," but "get" usually only means "to bring to, pick up, collect." As in, "get milk from the store," or "get me the comfy chair." Using "got" as in "achieved" is unusual, and the conjugation as a result is all muddled up. Thus, I really don't know what she should say. What she should have said was, "Thou even madest the bells right," or something like that.
(Note: She does mess up again a little later, when she says, "I ask that thou call us Luna," but I argue that she's transitioning out of her formality, so it's okay.)

BONUS ENDING 2!
Let's learn the word "suffer" in its archaic sense. I used it in my story A Call to Vespers (Great example of Luna speak, if I do say so myself). Nowadays, it means "to experience pain," but it used to mean "to allow, to give permission." This is where the word "suffrage" comes, by the way.

BONUS ENDING 3!
You know what, this has to be said, too. Learn how to use the dang vocative correctly! The vocative is a way to address someone. In Latin, it is done, more or less, as "O Noun!" English does the same thing. Do not, I repeat, do not, put an h after that O. It makes me want to gnash my teeth together every time I see that.

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Y1

Thanks for that. I'll try to keep those in mind while writing my future Luna scenes. Sorry I didn't get the chance to read this before we edited my story otherwise there might have been less mistakes.

Thy assistance hast been most fortuitous.

You sure?

While I'm on the subject of verb conjugation, I'm sure you're all asking, "Where are 'doth' and 'hath'?" That's what was originally used for third-person singular nouns. So, "She doth not sleep." However, the current verb form, e.g. "does", was also used in that time. So you can mix it up however you want in that case, e.g. "She does not sleep."

248113
Exactly. The subject of your sentence is "assistance," a third-person singular noun.

248121
It's all right. English conjugation is extremely lazy. Normally, "to have" only has two present tense conjugations: I/you/we/they have, and he/she/it has. I just doubled that amount. It's no wonder you got mixed up, especially since you used "thy."

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