Chapter 5 Comments

iloveportalz0r

#27 • 9h, 43m ago • • •
>I discovered that pets are really just friends who are animals instead of other people
What a horrible thing to say
Nevarius

#26 • 1d, 11h ago • • •
>> Europa This is actually not a bad theory you know?
Europa

#25 • 2d, 3h ago • 3 • • Nevarius
Second theory! Present-Celestia switched places with Past-Celestia! Why yes, I am pulling these right out of my ass!
OneOverTwo

#24 • 2d, 4h ago • 1 • •
>> Just a tree
That's going to get awkward with enemies.
Just a tree

#23 • 2d, 5h ago • • • OneOverTwo
>> OneOverTwo They have one: friends.
OneOverTwo

#22 • 2d, 6h ago • 2 • • Just a tree
>> Just a tree
Equestria really does need a non-awkward way to say "sentient-sapient beings", doesn't it?
TwiIight Sparkle

#21 • 2d, 7h ago • • •
>> Woomod
That one is intrinsic and unalterable and one isn't? The difference between who one is and who one is meant to be?
The very term essential nature kinda sums that up doesn't it?
But in Magical Mystery Cure, who the Mane 6 are meant to be is altered, while their personalities remain the same. So if the psyche is alterable while soul is not, then magic would be the psyche and personality the soul in that example. In fact, Twilight herself says their "true selves" were altered. Sounds like "essential nature" to me.
The world/show has never drawn a distinction between magic and the supernatural or indeed magic and the natural.(Indeed the only thing that can be called supernatural are the elements and possibly discord.) He can drain magic, it's a unique ability to him, simplest answer is it's a magical ability.
First, we don't know the ability is unique to Tirek. He's the only centaur we've seen, other centaurs might also have the ability.
Second, just because the show hasn't made a distinction doesn't mean it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. We don't have proof either way, and this argument is still back where it was earlier.
Just a tree

#20 • 2d, 12h ago • 2 • • OneOverTwo
>> Moon Splash I thought about it, but Spike and Discord aren't pets or ponies.
Moon Splash

#19 • 2d, 18h ago • 4 • • Just a tree
During my studies, I discovered that pets are really just friends who are animals instead of other people.
Ponies.
Woomod

#18 • 2d, 18h ago • • • TwiIight Sparkle
>> TwiIight Sparkle
I didn't ask for the difference between psyches and souls, I asked for the difference between personality and essential nature.
That one is intrinsic and unalterable and one isn't? The difference between who one is and who one is meant to be?
The very term essential nature kinda sums that up doesn't it?
The countless episodes where the cutie mark crusaders can't possibly get their cutie marks because they are an architect, a singer, and a choreographer/dancer, they just don't know it yet, aren't a hint?
And the argument has come full circle: We don't know that Tirek's ability to drain magic is magical itself. Or if you prefer, we don't know that his ability to drain souls is part of his soul.
The world/show has never drawn a distinction between magic and the supernatural or indeed magic and the natural.(Indeed the only thing that can be called supernatural are the elements and possibly discord.) He can drain magic, it's a unique ability to him, simplest answer is it's a magical ability.
TwiIight Sparkle

#17 • 2d, 18h ago • • • Woomod
>> Woomod
I didn't say "Name someone who lived before 2000 years ago", I said "who lived 2000 years ago". We're talking someone who was alive in the year A.D. 16. It's quite easy to name big figures in ancient history, but to name a significant figure of a specific time?
Pre-classical era has the implication of "Before their equivalent of the greek/roman period"(since that's the classical era of western culture, you basically asked me to pull up someone from the late classical era) So the pony version of Summeria and Babylon, more like five thousand years ago, not two thousand.
But that comparison is not necessarily valid. For all we know, the Classical Era in Equestria could have been 50 years long, and 10,000 years before the show. It's not our world.
But even if we take the pre-classical Equestria as 5000 years before the show, then even less ponies would remember Starswirl, even if he had been the greatest unicorn to live at that time. Can you honestly name anyone who lived in the year 2984 B.C.?
Psyches change, Souls don't.
I didn't ask for the difference between psyches and souls, I asked for the difference between personality and essential nature.
The abilities he uses after draining magic, and the ability to drain magic. The whole magic stealing thing is kinda pretty darn unique to him and possibly scorpan.
And the argument has come full circle: We don't know that Tirek's ability to drain magic is magical itself. Or if you prefer, we don't know that his ability to drain souls is part of his soul.
Woomod

#16 • 2d, 19h ago • • • TwiIight Sparkle
>> TwiIight Sparkle
Quick, without looking it up name one important person who lived 2000 years ago
Can i go earlier?
Shaka, Julius&Augustus Caesar, Pontius Pilate, Gaius Marius, Wu Zutian, Attila the Hun, Hannibal, Confucius, Lao Tzu, Hsun Tzu, Sun Tzu, (Man lotta Tzus), Aristotle, Plato, Alexander the Great, Euclid
There off the top of my head.
Pre-classical era has the implication of "Before their equivalent of the greek/roman period"(since that's the classical era of western culture, you basically asked me to pull up someone from the late classical era) So the pony version of Summeria and Babylon, more like five thousand years ago, not two thousand.
So at closest founding of equestria to discord is the classical era, and that would still have to last Five hundred to one thousand years to really count as an Era.
Yes. But please explain how personalities are different fron essential nature.
Explaining the full difference of soul and psyche in the greek sense would require me an ass load of time, but here's the simplest.
Psyches change, Souls don't.
Psyches go to Tarturus when you die creating a shade of the dead person.
then Tirek could still have no soul, if he lacks magical ability to begin with!
The abilities he uses after draining magic, and the ability to drain magic. The whole magic stealing thing is kinda pretty darn unique to him and possibly scorpan.
Magic Song

#15 • 2d, 19h ago • • •
“But finally, when we returned to the Crystal Empire, we failed to save it. You were distraught, but the ponies, they only comforted you. They … they blamed me. ‘Celestia would never have failed if she didn’t have her sister there,’ they said. I snapped. The darkness we had always fought against came to me, and I used it."
Oh my gosh. The events of 'Fall of the Crystal Empire' fits this perfectly! Think about it, in FOCE Luna discovered her Nightmare Moon powers while defeating King Sombra. Also, in the episode Princess Twilight Sparkle, where we see her battle with Celestia, she already seemed to be aware of these dark powers and even had an evil name already picked out.
TwiIight Sparkle

#14 • 2d, 19h ago • • • Woomod
>> Woomod
His original reference was Aniomorphic ie pottery magic, and had a shelf and was from obscure unicorn history, from the pre-classical era of history ie implying there's an entire classical era between then and the modern era.
Amniomorphic, from "amnion" (lamb), "morph" shape, and "ic" (denoting characterized by). A lamb shaped spell. Nothing about pottery.
Given that no one knew who Nightmare Moon or Luna was despite it being more recent than Starswirl and far more significant as well, I think even the great Starswirl the Bearded would be obscure. Let's play real life comparisons: Quick, without looking it up name one important person who lived 2000 years ago (besides Jesus).
Also, we have no idea where the ponies modern era begins. I personally place pre-classical as pre-founding, classical as founding to NMM, and modern as NMM to FiM, and FiM onwards as post-modern.
The Mind is the psyche, not the soul.
Explicitly separate things in the greek sense.
Yes. But please explain how personalities are different fron essential nature. Since you say essential nature is soul but say personality is psyche. If you limit soul to only ponies magical ability, then Tirek could still have no soul, if he lacks magical ability to begin with!
Woomod

#13 • 2d, 19h ago • 4 • •
>> MLai
Actually I'm curious about that. Does Luna really arrange the stars? Or did the starry sky simply get associated with her because she's the Princess of the Night? We know she moves the moon, but when was it ever said/shown that she does something with the stars as well?
She's said to craft or create the night sky, where as Celestia is only ever said to raise the sun, and went all nightmare moon over the beautiful nights she created being ignored. So a good bit of implication she puts a lot more work into her heavenly duties than Celestia does.
Also during the season one opener we actually see the stars moving to aid her in her escape, so the stars are definitely mobile light sources rather than distant suns. (As for why Astronomers could exist while Luna was gone? Celestia didn't futz around with luna's work and/or doesn't have Luna's artistic side.)
MLai

#12 • 2d, 20h ago • • • Woomod
>> Woomod
Actually I'm curious about that. Does Luna really arrange the stars? Or did the starry sky simply get associated with her because she's the Princess of the Night? We know she moves the moon, but when was it ever said/shown that she does something with the stars as well?
StormyVenture

#11 • 2d, 20h ago • • •
>>5360724
Naturally I have a slightly different view of things
>>5361363
What does a knowledge of astronomy have to do with it?
Woomod

#10 • 2d, 20h ago • • • MLai
Astronomers study the stars by night.
Since luna creates the night sky it's always been my head canon she treats astronomers as a joke since she returned and started futzing around with it again.
Woomod

#9 • 2d, 21h ago • 1 • • TwiIight Sparkle
>>5368130
As for the pottery spell thing: It can always be a spell that turns stuff into lambs. Pretty awesome. Imagine if he turned Discord into a lamb, or Tirek. What if he could turn rocks into lambs, and provide Equestria with infinite wool? And there's always the off chance it was a mistake and was supposed to be omniomorphic.
His original reference was Aniomorphic ie pottery magic, and had a shelf and was from obscure unicorn history, from the pre-classical era of history ie implying there's an entire classical era between then and the modern era. No way around starswirl becoming kind of a plot tumor, from his original one note gag with twilight, To becoming something useful "Twilight done wrong", to "Eh we need sum dude who did sum thing in the past".
But they don't lose what makes them unique. Shining Armor continues to try and defend Equestria even after being drained,
The soul of a knife is cutting, a knife that cannot cut is not longer any good as a knife.
Don't forget the song afterwards as well.
and all the Mane 6 keep their personalities
The Mind is the psyche, not the soul.
Explicitly separate things in the greek sense.
Maybe because this is My Little Pony, and putting it in the Gryphon Kingdoms would be ridiculous?
Well duh, but just going with the out of show reasons is boring.
Just because they have a tree in the Everfree doesn't mean they invented Harmony.
Well no magic like it had been used as far as ponies knew during hearths warming eve, so why not?
Why couldn't ponies be the ones who first used the magic of harmony?
StormyVenture

#8 • 2d, 23h ago • • •
>> denmawarlight
I stand by my previous opinion that something fishy is up. I doubt it's so straight forward, though I suppose I have no reason to think Celestia can't have been involved. I don't think it was her acting alone if so. Perhaps she wished to forget how helpless she was against Tirek the second time around?
I find it a little ridiculous that it would be so simple as finding an animal that saw something, so logically I predict that her memories will probably confuse Twilight and Luna.
P.S.
It'd have been nice to not have this cliffhanger, but if the next chapter is long enough to be separate, I supposed it's probably best.
EternityFlame

#7 • 3d, 10m ago • 1 • •
>> Mewaponny
No... and then rarity saw her burnt mane and went into the mode known as.
"I tried my hardest to fix this but can't make it work so the only remaining good option is to kill it"
and then she dies. Goodbye. The End
lunarstallion

#6 • 3d, 25m ago • 1 • •
And then, birdfeed everywhere. They get lost inside Philomena's dreams, and are forgotten to the currents of time.
The end.
Emptybee

#5 • 3d, 1h ago • 3 • •
>> Mewaponny
>> DerpedRainbow
Eh, no big. Twilight's set herself on fire before.
denmawarlight

#4 • 3d, 2h ago • • • StormyVenture
Why do I fear it was celestia who cast the spell on herself by accident, thus creating an odd magical signature? XD
DerpedRainbow

#3 • 3d, 2h ago • 1 • • Emptybee
Twilight+Luna=Not Philomena's friends. They instantly combust, the end.
EDIT: Oh wow, >> Mewaponny we had the same idea!
Mewaponny

#2 • 3d, 2h ago • 14 • • EternityFlame Emptybee DerpedRainbow
- And then her mane caught on fire
:*screams* Eek, my head! Oh, the pain! It's terrible!
And then she caught the entire castle on fire and everyone died. THE END.
DerpedRainbow

#1 • 3d, 2h ago • • •
Sites under maintenance? Perfect time to post the next chapter!