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After.
Crazy.
Love.
Interesting to see some more of the transformed point of view towards Equestrian’s, though it’s not hard to see the hostility with some of them. You have to wonder where that will go in the long term though.
.... So you're furious that what Tonya did was 'a line that should never be crossed', but Sunset Shimmer doing the same thing on a global scale is A-OK and should never have been stopped?
I swear, Shimmerist hypocrisy never ceases to amaze me.
And if you pointed it out to them Like Luna did to Sunset, you get a blank look of not understanding.
So if Twilight sees the trial before aftermath, then by that time she has learned how dangerous the transformed can be when left unchecked. So between Pandemic and Aftermath, Twilight has probably gained more caution with respect to the transformed. I like to imagine that big hug she shared with Sunrise was strengthened by the fact that these events give her more reasons to fear the safety of her pony friends on earth.
It really strengthens Twilight and Starlight as characters to know the extent of the struggles they have had thrown on them, and how strong they are with dealing with things properly and not being crippled by the fears. And in Starlight's case, being steadfast and undeterred in her commitment to helping these ponies despite the animosity and lack of appreciation she has encountered.
I personally think this a great usage of Starlight and now I think I can look at both Starlight and Twilight in Aftermath with an even greater respect.
Now I hope asgeek2012 finds a way to use Riverview in aftermath. I would like to see him do a take of your characters too.
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If you accept the premise that being transformed from a human into a pony is a sufficiently good thing, then there is really no contradiction. From the Shimmerist perspective, Twilight and Starlight have profoundly hurt billions of humans, by denying them the opportunity to be transformed into ponies. By contrast, Tonya just crossed a line by using mind magic in a way that hurt two ponies, Number Crunch, by pushing her to kill Swift Strike, and Swift Strike, by being killed. So while Starlight and Tonya are both villains, the magnitude of Starlight's crime (which hurt billions) makes Tonya's actions (which hurt only two) fade to almost complete insignificance by comparison.
Of course, Shimmerists are well aware that many humans and Equestrians do not accept the premise that being transformed into a pony is such a profoundly desirable thing. But they might argue that this simply shows that anyone who has not been both a human and a pony can't fully understand just how much better it is to be a pony. The only type of people a Shimmerist might think has the right to a dissenting opinion on this subject might be the rehumanized, since they have been both humans and ponies.
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It's accepting that premise as a good thing while rejecting the other where the hypocrisy lies though. It's essentially saying "using mind magic to make others do what you want is bad, unless you make them do something I agree with."
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Except that even the night ponies don't reject all forms of mind magic. They object to the malicious use of mind magic. If Tonya is allowed to use mind magic benevolently to help a crowd to sing, then why shouldn't Sunset Shimmer be allowed to use mind magic to help billions of humans make a successful adaption to being ponies? If you accept the Shimmerist perspective, they are both acting benevolently, in a way that helps everyone involved.
And even if you don't accept the basic Shimmerist premise, I don't think your fundamental objection to Sunset Shimmer's actions is that she used mind magic to make the transformation of humanity less painful. We could make an analogy between Sunset's use of mind magic and a surgical anaesthetic. A surgeon should use anaesthetic regardless of whether they are performing a moral surgery (like saving a person's life), or a immoral surgery, (like stealing a kidney). Even if Sunset's transformation spell was deeply immoral, her mind magic spell did serve to greatly reduce the amount of pain everypony would otherwise have suffered.
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Well yes, the use of mind magic in Sunset's case was to make ponies more docile, instil a herd instinct and give a basic subconsious knowledge of their forms (not so much the 'make being a pony feel natural' bit, that's more the morphic resonance talking). Yes, it made the transformations easier, but that's the problem: it made the transformations easier. It was done to supplement the act of transforming people against their will. It does not make the use of mind magic any more good, unless you accept the premise of transforming people against their will as good. Something that not even most Shimmerists are willing to do.
Well, except Noct here, who rather blatantly hates Starlight for stopping ETS. So she kinda sorta really wants to transform the rest of the world, regardless of consent.
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I think Nocte might make some distinction between parts of Sunset Shimmers actions. As a Shimmerist she believes everyone is better as a pony but as a night pony that has taken her oaths she is opposed to the extent Sunset Shimmer messed with their minds. She clearly doesn't buy into pony docile and passive nature since she is so aggressive and violent. She's one of the most aggressive and violent members of the Enclave from what we got from Melissa. She even approved of Swift Strike's murder just not the methods (she killed a rapist herself after all and doesn't seem to have any remorse over it).
I thought as much. Wonder if Blessing will ever really know the full extent of how badly Tonya f***ed up her mind.
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In logic that is still a contradiction though.
The statement "using mind magic against someone's will should never occur"
And "using magic against someone's will should ocurr if ..."
It's saying statement S and the denial of S are both true. The fact that she said "shouldn't be crossed" makes it a contradiction. Stanford university had a free course on logic that I took one time. By the way I remember being taught, this qualifies as a contradiction.
Now though people do tend to exaggerate at times. Nocte may have been meaning to state it conditionally. But as it stands she totally did just contradict herself.