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Sticks and Stones may Break my Bones, but words may marry me? A careless promise by Celestia when she was teaching Twilight when the young princess was still a filly comes back to haunt her. Twilight has proposed marriage to her, and she can't outright refuse because of an ancient law that says royalty has the right to marry whomever they chose without question. Since Celestia is not above the law herself she has to come up with a solution, and she thinks she's found just that. Twilight has never been able to resist the Scientific process, so why not appeal to her sense of science? But having Twilight date other ponies in a social scientific experiment has not exempt Celestia, as there still needs to be a control group, which winds up being Celestia herself. Has she found the perfect way to get Twilight to see that there's somepony better suited for her than the Sun Princess? Or is Celestia really her one true love?

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Celestia: No, wait! I meant the second meaning of the word! The second meaning!

Yeah, that probably adequately describes the feeling Celestia has right now.

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The statement is also true though.
Think of it this way the Sun is a star but it is OUR star. Our solar system.
If a thousand stars go out in the night sky, we might think its weird but it won't effect life too much.
Sure, we might panic if they were stars whose emission spectrum said will not explode and the galaxy is undergoing some kind of catastrophic event.
If Sol goes out? We're dead.

Six Brides for Two Sisters did it better : /

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You're really gonna base that on one chapter that has only introduced the plot?

*reads the premise*

So, Twilight has so little respect for Celestia as a person she's going to force her to marry her by abusing a legal loophole. That is profoundly and deeply fucked up. There is a reason we find cultures who marry their kids off at 12 without their consent as problematic. It's primarily that part, you know, about consent. In fact we tend to take a dim view of anything that involves relationships (or sex, as marriages are often wont to do) without consent. Using "law" as a means to force someone into a relationship is goddamn wrong and I am really hope I don't have to explain to you why.

So, besides the a priori fridge horror, the fic also makes no goddamn sense. Really? Celestia thought it was cool to have a law that made it okay for her to pressgang people into her household and bed? She wrote that? And if she didn't write that, she consented to its continued existence? And what, does Equestria lack some kind of legal/judicial oversight? States can be sued and laws overturned in sane societies for a reason, you know.

So, basically, this is a fic where Twilight is a cowardly controlling little monster, who used an insane law Celestia apparently was either too stupid or too selfish and self-centered to see a problem with until it bites her in the ass to force Celestia into a marriage against her will, and we're supposed to find this funny-and in-character?

Finally, you really don't need the magic of Ancient Law (which is basically meta-code for "THE AUTHOR SAYS SO" in MLP fanfic) to set up the actual plot, which is Twilight going on a series of comical dates while getting closer to Celestia. Like, this could just be an (unlikely) outcome of Twilight confessing her feelings at all. It's a bit of a stretch but you could make it work if you play it just the right way.

So, no, this fic has serious fundamental design issues and needs to go back to the drawing board.

Comment posted by dlazerous deleted Jul 21st, 2014

4730803 Calm your pants, the only thing that's been set up is the basic premise of the story. We don't know how things will work out, or why.

4730803 Way to make assumptions before the story even really gets started. What ever happened to 'Wait and see'?

4730554 Yes, because the other story had a way better first chapter too

Can't really see where this one's going quite yet... or if it'll be as funny as its predecessor. I'll be watching though.

Some small advice though: it's customary to use " " quotes for dialogue, and ' ' quotes for thoughts (or any number of other methods) and seeing dialogue with single quotes is a bit... disorienting. It's also pretty standard with internet writing to put an extra space between paragraphs, rather than just the indent method traditionally used in books. It's just a little easier to read on a screen. There's also... something wrong with your sentence structure, but I can't quite pinpoint the exact reason. You might try going back over it and reading each sentence individually out loud to see if they sound right, that tends to help find the awkward bits.

4730803 Apparently it's okay for you to do to other authors what made everyone who read your story an ignorant, mockery-worthy jerk who was clearly saying what they were saying just to get a rise out of you. You are treading on very thin ice, my friend.

4731784 From the plot synopsis it looks like there's gonna be a bit taken from my collab with The Abyss, too, but I liked the first chapter's dialogue and found it decently cute. I'm interested in seeing where it goes.

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Since I like to point out the whole single/double quotes thing, since I get a lot of comments on it. It's a regional thing, with several places such as Australia, parts of the UK, teaching the single over double quotes for dialogue. I know it's far more common with the internet to use the American way of double quotes, then single quotes for other things, but it's not any more grammatically correct and honestly, it's weird for me to type dialogue in double quotation marks this way after years of both fan fiction and professional writing. The usual structure of single quote dialogue is 'this is a quote "and a quote in a quote" and now end quote' with things that don't happen in real time, such as thoughts, flashbacks, ect, are in italics. I mostly mimic the literature I read and the grammatical rules I've studied. As such I favour the single quotes.
I have, however, edited the story to space out the paragraphs. It's been a long while since I've posted anything new on the site and I'm still getting re-familiarised with it. I'm also going over the story again thanks to a friend stepping forward and being my editor ^.^


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I honestly had no idea that fic you were talking about existed, your collab I mean. I'll have to give it a read since I just popped over to check it out. Looks interesting ^.^

4734831 Ah. Must be just a strange coincidence, then. Well, either way you've got my attention. Hopefully later on you'll branch the story away from Six Brides and tune up the description. Whatever the case, good luck.

4734831 I'm an Australian and I use double quotes, just saying.
I think Twilight took it too well, she would have realized that Celestia didn't mean what Twilight thought she meant because of that last question. Twilight ain't stupid, the issue should have resolved itself there. Twilight would be heartbroken sure, but stilll it's resolved.

I liked how it took Celestia's brain a few seconds to process that.

That double meaning of 'to marry'!

I won't comment on the use of single versus double quotes (either is fine with me so long as the usage is consistent), but I'm fairly sure you're still supposed to use commas before dialogue tags. 'I did it,' said Twilight as opposed to 'I did it.' said Twilight.

Other than that, funny and great dialogue. This would be okay as a one-shot, but since it's not, I'm eager to see how this will turn out. Here's hoping it goes well.

You misspelt Celestia in the short description.

Hmm. I like the set up, and the comedy so far. I'll be keeping an eye on this one.

Ah man, I've read this fic before. I'm not complaining either, as long as it's Twilestia I don't really care.

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You're the second person to say this, so I'm curious as to what fic came before that I've apparently unknowingly copied. Unless it's Six Brides for Two Sisters, in which case I know for certain I'm going in a very different direction to that fic.

Decent fic but the title is simply nonsense scientifically speaking.

If you still need an editor I'd be glad to help out.

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Join the line of people to point out that the sun is the star. I would like to point out that scientifically speaking it does hold up because the sun refers to Sol, as in the large burning day ball that allows life to exist on the planet earth, and that when planets orbit other stars we don't really say they have their own sun scientifically, we say they have their own star. As such referring to the Sun as the bright burning day ball there is only one particular sun, through the exclusion of one being a part of something does not make everything said something. EG Twilight is a Unicorn but not all unicorns are Twilight. :twilightsmile:


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Thanks for the offer but I found an editor already. If you want to help with other works you can PM me and we can discuss from there (I actually have 4 other fics that I'm working on currently besides this one >>)

4740955 Actually we call the sun the sun because humans like to give names to things. Before we were around to give things names our sun and every star in the universe we're the same thing. The only distinction is the one we artificially created. If we hadn't show up and decided to call our star "the sun" then it would still be exactly like every other burning mass of hydrogen out there in the universe. Not every unicorn maybe be Twilight but every unicorn is a pony and Twilight is to.

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Even if it is a burning ball of hydrogen, it is the one that gave live to this planet. And even if it didn't it'd still be unique just because it exists at that space and time where no other stars represent it. Even if calling it a sun is arbitrary it's an arbitrariness that highlights it's uniqueness. As such even if it is similar to every other star out there, there is only one of it. As such the logic proof stated within the title of there being many stars but only one sun still holds true. There are many stars, including the sun, but the sun is the only sun there is. There are many ponies, including Twilight, but there is only one Twilight.

4741014 Actually its more like logical semantics really.

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Bingo, but that doesn't matter. I don't care if it is somewhat similar to another fic as long as it's good.

This Celestia is very cute. :twilightsmile: I adore her.
I like this amazing story a lot! It is funny and it is interesting. :yay:

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My Celestia is one of the few characters that is relatively uncomprimised from fic to fic. Since I wrote The Sun May Rise, but the Daughter Reigns, I've had a very strong headcanon for her. A lot of it is fleshed out in that fic, though you don't get as many character interactions in it.
Also I don't care if it's selfish but because of that fic Celestia became my favourite princess :heart::trollestia:

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Celestia is my favorite princess too... Yay to the Eternal Sun:) :yay:

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No, you're just over analyzing it. Yes, the star the Celestia supposedly controls is probably not any different physically than any other star, but the fact that it is the star that the pony planet is closest to makes it entirely valid to differentiate between stars and the sun, especially when you consider the fact that Celestia is bound to THAT star and not the others. Besides, when has scientific accuracy impeded the creation of artwork anyway?

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4741014 *throws science at the question* http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=483

also our sun is called a sun not a star because stars are distant things for us while the sun is relatively close. another thing to look at is the fact that not all stars are suns and not all suns are stars (look at Suns being hidden by another Suns light).

4751401 What would would a sentient life form in the next galaxy over call our sun? Fairly certain it'd be a star. A star is a giant burning mass of hydrogen, the sun is a giant burning mass of hydrogen.

I mean come on. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun

The Sun is the star at the center of the Solar System.

I don't care what you wanna call it because changing it's name doesn't change what the thing is. Hell you could call it the "Super bright light making heat producing awesome sphere of coolness" it's not gonna change what the damn thing is.

4751545 it is all a matter of perspective. tell me, do you wake up every morning and say "gee the star sure is bright today" What the sentence of the title means is everyone in every solar system (unless they have twin suns) calls their main star a sun so there is only ONE sun and MANY stars, including the sun

4751624 Sounds awful segregationy to me you racist. How do you think the sun feels about being you separating it from the rest of it's kind?

That's some fucked up logic there Adolf.

4751721 shit ive been found out... HEIL THE THIRD REICH

4752215 Aryanne is a pretty well put together mare I can't lie.

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While I appreciate your enthusiasm, usually one does not write sequels until they finish the first fic first. Thank you anyway, and please look forward to the new chapters :heart:

4755500 That's me, not looking at the tags again! :twilightblush:I always think that all the good stories are one shots!:fluttershyouch: Sorry about that! :heart:

Well then this seems interesting! Starting of a story with a bang, or should I say a certain Solar Princess' Spittake. I think I'll be following this.

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