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Twilight loves Spike, her precious hatchling, treating him like a son. Spike, in turn, loves her as his hatch mother. But, sometimes, Spike makes mistakes. And mistakes have consequences.
Contains: A very sorry dragon getting a spanking.
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What episode is the cover art from?
This was a good palate cleansing to all the recent spike x twilight that has been popping up.
This story is a very good story. I feel like the interaction between Spike and Twilight is done nicely.
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I'm not sure.
Two questions
1. Was this a sequel of something? It seems like this was the last part of a bigger story based on the conversation taking place in.
2. Is this an age regression story/story placed in the early seasons of FiM? It seems kinda like an ageplay story without any actual age play.
That aside, while spanking stories aren't really my thing, you certainly did a good job capturing emotions in this story.
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Twispike is pure.
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This is the follow up to the episode "Owl's Well That Ends Well." Check it out, it's a great episode.
Yea... one spank maybe but she must have spanked him like 20 times. seriously? . not sure what your fasination with Spanking fics is but if you continue I hope at least you don't treat Twi as an abuser, if Spike can't sit comfortably the next day she went WAY too hard.
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How is this abusive in any way possible? 20 swats is no where near abusive and more importantly why do you care how many swats it is. This is the problem with this day an age where everything is now seen as abuse when it isnt, Spike was punished, however Twilight explained why as well as give him the much needed that he needed once it was done. This story is great.
This tale makes you really consider physical discipline's true ability to be honestly beneficial. Particularly if you consider the mixed messages that can be sent given the situation presented in the story along with the timing.
Most correctional activity seems to be effective through utilizing Applied Behavioral techniques. Though there are still many who feel physical discipline, like spanking, is effective. It's truly a slippery slope and, again, timing and nature of overall effectiveness of such punishment is crucial.
I went for Seeing Eye Dog training and now have a seeing eye dog. They taught us to 'correct' the dog through physical punishment utilizing a specific method with the leash in conjunction with their choke chain. It's effective but I always wonder if it leaves my dog feeling like he's learned something or if he learns to fear me as a result of how sudden and quick the correction needs to be administered if it need be done.
This leads into timing. The correction with physical punishment is supposed to be done immediately in order for the guide dog to understand what they are doing wrong. Otherwise they may feel they are just being punished to be punished. This is where the guide dog and this story relevance comes into play. Twilight showed a lot of love and affection towards Spike and the punishment came well after the undesired behavior occurred. So does it make it effective?
There isn't really a right, or wrong, answer here. It just makes me more thoughtful on physical punishment being a source of true discipline.
I don't get it. The story goes out of its way to point out how Twilight was just as much to blame in that episode (which I agree with wholeheartedly) but somehow Spike is the only one to get punished?
Off the top of my head, I can only think of 4 times during the entire series where Spike has behaved badly (here, in "OWtEW", "Secret of my Excess", "Just for Sidekicks" and "The One Where Pinkie Pie Knows" when he burned up Shining's comic) and of those 4 times, this is the one that he least deserved getting punished because of the extenuating circumstances surrounding Twilight.
And in all of these instances, spanking seems like the least effective way to discipline him for it.
you are so late to the party everyone is is now hungover
My fault, I accidentally put this story in the season 2 folder when I should have put it in the season 1 folder.
I'd like to point some aspects out about this:
1. Twilight is MAINLY to blame for what happened in that episode, With the incident with the BOOK, it's pretty clear she put's too much into material possessions instead of the love of SPIKE himself.
2. When Twilight introduced that Owl to her FRIENDS, how they were just awe impressed with that bird when they didn't even showed squat of that when SPIKE first came to Ponyville, that's good indication that they're no better than Twilight & practically WORSE.
3. The way how Twilight brought that Owl in without even considering SPIKE's feelings about this first hand show's to me just how SELFISH she really is and that she doesn't much care about what he thinks. The only she cares about is just her studies & any ways of making her life easier so that way she doesn't have to. If I didn't know better, she practically WORSE than Nightmare Moon & Discord PUT TOGETHER.
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I thought the same thing, but who would punish her?
She could spank herself I suppose...hmm...
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I disagree. Spike lied and lying to cover up a misdeed is a serious matter and always deserves punishment. In my household it wasn't a spanking, but about a week of extra chores-at the end of which I just wish Ma had spanked me instead!
The image you got for the title page. Is that from the actual show, or is it a piece of artwork?
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I definitely agree that twilight is partly to blame, so if spike gets spanked, well...
What episode is this baced on?
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I think Spike MOST deserved punishment for his behavior in Owls Well. He told a lie and tried to frame someone. Those other episodes were simply him being a bit mischievous or giving into Draconic instincts he has little control over, being a child and all.
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Owl's Well That Ends Well.
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Could make it more effective. She waited till she was relatively calm and could explain why he was being punished.
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I can't argue with you there, but what about my other reasons?
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I'm glad you liked it.
Not a bad story.
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I still can't agree with that. Perhaps if the audience didn't know Spike's frame-of-mind throughout the episode and only saw him as acting out for unknown reasons, it might be easier to punish him. But we knew exactly how put out he was feeling and it even culminated near the end by revealing he thought Twilight had stopped caring about him and didn't want him around anymore. This frame of mind is especially difficult for Spike since he's a dragon living among ponies - he's already at a disadvantage by being an outsider. Couple that with Twilight essentially ignoring his strange behavior until he ran away still leads me to the same conclusion: It doesn't make sense for him to be put through any more than he already was.
As for the other incidents, he lied in all three of them as well and even though he couldn't control his growth he still destroyed a good part of Ponyville. At the very least he would need to go from building to building, apologize to each resident, and help fix things up. As for the last example, he even tried to cover up the fact that he burned up Shining's comic and that seemed just as bad as trying to frame Owlowiscious.
I guess I feel that because Twilight bore half the blame with ignoring Spike's feelings, the other incidents are worse because in the end he's solely responsible for them, even if some of them happened because ponies didn't know anything about dragons.
Also I guess I forgot about what he did near the end of "Princess Spike" in my last comment. But I so disliked how the delegates were behaving I really didn't care about Spike throwing Twilight's weight around to get free massages and meals by then.
That's a good point. Striking out with physical punishment out of rage accomplishes nothing. However making it known what consequences come given particular behaviors while explaining the reasoning of administering such discipline in a calm mind does make it far more effective.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the topic with me. It's nice to get different insights into such matters. That's why I made sure to 'Favorite' this story along with give it a 'Thumbs Up'. Such content is not my norm but you present it in a way that provides more thought than focus on the discipline. :)
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Thank You so much
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Did you get that the bath scene and Twilight giving Spike a break on making dinner was Twilight's attempt to make it up to Spike? I feel like that didn't come through like I wanted it to.
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I got that impression from the dinner but the bath scene seemed like something for the characters to do while they had their conversation about the day's events.
Did he have a bath before his spanking to make the spanking sting more?
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No, it was Twilight showing her love for him.
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Actually Secret of My Excess would be the one where he least deserved punishment. In that he literally couldn't control himself due to a mental problem born out of his dragon greed. Blaming Spike for what happened in Secret of My Excess is like blaming someone when they are mind controlled.
Here Spike knew what he was doing was wrong, and while blame does fall on Twilight for ignoring Spike feelings, blame also falls on Spike for doing things he knew where wrong and for not simply trying to talk to or simply yell at Twilight about how he felt.
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Except Spike knew he was doing something wrong in "SoME" as well - as seen when he tried to cover up his transgressions by lying to Twilight. He played it like he was innocent and told her he was going to return all the stuff he took, then turned around as soon as she was out of earshot and went right back at it with even more fervor.
I suppose it is interesting to have a conversation about nature ends vs. nurture; however, by saying it's all instinctual and he had no control over himself is a bit too far a bridge to cross for me. If instead of being greedy, his dragon instincts suddenly told him to burn everything that wasn't made of rock or crystal to the ground, would that also excuse his actions? The lot living in Ponyville might be a forgiving bunch, but even they would - at best - have him banished from town, and at worst ask Celestia to lock him up in Tartarus.
Plus, there is evidence from a conversation Spike has in an upcoming episode which hints that uncontrolled greed growth is not a normal thing - even in traditional dragon culture. Dragons may be greedy by nature, but clearly Spike let his own greed get out of control and that's the reason had to learn a lesson. Apologizing and fixing up the town is still the most suitable punishment for him, and I still feel is more deserved than in "OWtEW" after Twilight failed to live up top being his proper caretaker.
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There are other cases where he was blamed for things I don't think he was responsible for; like in Princess Spike where I don't really see what other choice he had. He did get carried away but the decisions he made were the best ones he could have made with the information he had.
Another example is the pets episode where they keep saying he is greedy. However I don't get why. Wanting to do chores and asking for compensation is not something I see as wrong. He was wrong though because he wasn't really thinking about what he was taking on. But that doesn't mean he's greedy, just irresponsible.
Would Spike really be so mature? I would more imagine he would still be slightly upset at Twilight or still somewhat insecure.
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Interesting point. In show, Spike's maturity vascilates from "toddler" to "young adult" though.
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But the thing is if he's this mature a spanking isn't really needed.
Question:
Can you name 3 things you did well in this fic and 3 things you could have done better?
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I'm too close to the subject to be objective. What do you think are three things I did well and three I could have done better?
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No, no. I don't want to inforce my interpretation on you. I first want to know what parts you think were done well and not so well. Improvement starts with yourself so where do you think you can improve it?
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1. Maybe I should have emphasized Twilight was doing this out of love more? (That's what the bath scene was for!)
2. Could have been longer.
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1. No, that part was very clear. I think one thing you could emphasize more is why Spike needs it. He acts so well behaved that it doesn't seem needed.
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I was thinking Twilight's such a stickler for rules that she's going to impose a penalty for a serious violation of the rules (Lying in this case) regardless of how guilty Spike feels about it. And Spike acknowledged he needed a spanking.
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In that case Twilight doesn't seem angry during the beginning of the story.
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Right. She's not angry, she's doing this out of duty.
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She is not Celestia. Twilight would show her disappointment somewhat more.
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I don't know why, but I have never have the parent/caretaker yell at the spankee or even act visibly angry. Seriously, look at all my stories. I think it happens once and it's minor. It's inexplicable.
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You should try it or maybe have Twilight stumble over her words as she doesn't know what to feel. Maybe have her seclude herself to make sure she doesn't scream. Just some signs she is uncomfortable as right now the spanking sort of comes out of nowhere.
Pffft
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Well in that type of situation it won't but in others, it would.