I honestly have to say I can't stand this Spike. He comes off so much as a brat and a asshole so far. He keep talking about feeling used and all this. But I can't help but keep screaming no one mad him do anything. He keep saying he devoted years of his life to making her like him. You can't make someone like you it happens or it doesn't. And Rarity I honestly feel when she went to say sorry was right to say he was acting like a big dumb dragon. Because he was, he was lashing out, acting like a hot headed brat, and a anger filled brute. Instead of talking to her like the friend she is suppose to be he lashed out because he was feeling bad. I don't agree with how Rarity talked to him at first but at least she tried, she tried to still be a friend above all else. He keep saying she should have out right told him. But she never once encouraged him or lead him on, he did that on his own. It would be one thing if she flirted with him and stuff but she ever did. Hell sound like she treated him like a little brother more than a love interest at all. I hope Spike's prissy behavior doesn't blow back and ruin the girls friendship as well. I just can't get over he proposed to her when they weren't even dating or anything that is so random and just creepy to be honest.
And honestly Twi was so right to be angry at him. He went way over. He felt he had a right to be in that fight, he wasn't mature enough to walk away and let some assholes be. And even then he took it way to far and almost killed someone. I get the feeling Twi used some of her political power to keep him out of real jail for his actions. But the trip could very well be fucked not just for him but the girls as well. I mean word WILL get out that the dragon on board got in a fight but took it too far and almost killed someone. The girls will be looked at funny for bringing somedragon on board who is so unstable he is willing to kill some jerks just for being assholes. And they will look at him like he is a monster. His immature actions will not only effect him but everyone else. But he fill justified in doing it, I mean does he realize shit talkers just come with you are in the public's eye is he going to fight and try to kill everyone who talk bad about Twi if she he wont ever stop fighting and will ruin her rep even more so.
They weren't "just talking crap"; they outright ambushed him when he tried to walk away.
And this Twilight is a victim-blaming bitch and moron; given her timing, she had to have seen that Spike was only defending himself from their magic and weapons.
OMG. Twilight, can you EVER show some fing decency for your assistant!? He was standing up for you... the scumbag Bouncer nearly MURDERED him... and you don't even listen to his side of the story in full!? And Rarity, "subtle signs" are not enough to get somepony infatuated with you off your back! You need to straight-up tell them! So... yeah. Sorry, but I just DESPISE Twilight and Rarity in this story right now (and AJ a bit too; she was giving Spike the completely WRONG advice).
As for my overall impression of the chapter... it was well worth the wait! It was so satisfying to see Bouncer and those other assholes get trounced by Spike and Rachel! I hope you make them suffer within the next five days/chapters! Yeah, I just heavily believe in justice, karmatic or otherwise.
It really seems like Rachel is the only one with any remote decency and empathy. After all, she clearly knows the right way to make someone feel better when they're devastated. Normally, I'm not too keen on OCs, but I really am starting to like Rachel! Keep it going!
I know Twilight will get better (at last I hope she does), but she's being a horrible person right now. If a person wants to mope to cope with something, that's perfectly fine. You do not forcefully pull someone out into public because you think it will help them. She also never heard Spike's side of the story and simply left him there.
Rarity's not much better. You can't simply expect subtle hints to work on somebody who's head over heels for you. Especially when you've never spurned those feelings once, and you actually used those very feelings to your own benefit! Rarity is coming off a little like a Sociopath. At least in the not caring about others feelings aspect.
In fact the only three who appear to be on Spike's side are Rainbow, Fluttershy, and Pinkie. Unexpectedly AJ said the exact opposite of what I thought and her words mirroring Rarity's almost perfectly makes me think that AJ and Rarity might have been in a secret relationship. Though I may just be reading into it a bit.
I find Rachel an interesting and fun character. She has a backstory with those tattoos, along with what she was running away from. I think her and Spike are good together.
Wow this....this was some heavy stuff in this chapter. Can not wait to see more! I know logically, update will come when it can, but as a desperate fan I have to ask; Any guess on when we'll see the next chapter?
Also, this may sound rage-y, but bear with me please. Just an excited fan pointing out things and hopes for what comes next.
Everything that happened to Spike was criminal. LITERALLY criminal. An ambassador to the dragon lands and prince was beaten to unconsciousness and thrown into a cell as the only guilty party without trial or, as far as I remember, without medical attention. The stallions would be guilty of multiple grounds of assault, assault with a deadly weapon, inciting a domestic disturbance, and all of this made worse by his ambassador and royal status. The crew and captain would be guilty of wrongful imprisonment, negligence, discrimination, instigating a diplomatic incident and violating diplomatic immunity. Even Twilight and friends would be considered guilty of the crew charges. Their status as Princess and ambassadors of friendship, as hokey as that sounds, makes them legitimate authority figures and their decision to leave him in detainment while actively denying his right to a say makes them equally guilty of all crew charges as well as abuse of power and potential act of war. Here's what I think should follow (you know, besides all of the romance, new friendships, reconciliation, and/or clop)-
First, he meets Twilight and company the next morning to talk only for them to do something stupid again like ignoring him and going through the whole 'shame on you for doing wrong' BS. He finally has enough and is forced to question the nature of the entire friendship they supposedly had with him. He goes in private to send a letter to Celestia with his account of what happened and a request for Luna to use her abilities to check his memories. Message endorsed by Celestia, Luna, possibly even Cadence and Shining Armor is sent to ship captain. Scumbag stallions are detained in brig for remainder of the voyage until port where guard takes them to court for criminal charges. Captain makes public announcement of actual events and offers public apology on behalf of crew and cruise line company (otherwise, Spike's trip is going to be spent treated like a criminal/animal by all those aboard). Announcement of immediately active one-year restraining order at Spike's request be placed on Twilight and friends as well as warning that, while they won't be immediately detained. they will be met at port by armed escort to Canterlot to explain actions. Twilight and friends are invited to Captain's cabin to review evidence where they get a recording of memories, fight and imprisonment, via recording device of some sort that accompanied message. Possibly hear resigned comment from Captain about how this debacle might end his and crew's career with dismissal and blacklisting for their carelessness. Certainly, the cruise line would expect heavy fines and disciplinary action.
This might seem harsh, but I think this is just the kick in the pants Twilight and co need to take a hard look at present and past actions and think 'Maybe we didn't take this friendship as seriously as we thought?' Even Cadence and Shining would have to be standing beside Celestia's decision to ask 'What were you thinking!?' After all, Spike is kind of their little brother as well (not to mention the heat from imperial public opinion they'd get from citizens hearing about their hero's treatment). It would be a year for Twilight and co to think things through for a change and a year for Spike to cool off, learn to live on his own, make his own mark on the word, maybe show some maturity. Perhaps have him show some maturity by intervening on behalf of Captain and crew so they don't get dealt with too harshly (the stallions, those weasels can rot). Maybe at year's end have Twilight prove they thought things through and Spike forgive them or at least settle for 'Whatever we might have had is gone...but I'm willing to start over.'
I guess what I'm trying to say, in my own rabid fan way, is this- I love this more soon please!
8885607 Sweet! What about the incident itself though? I imagine any fun Spike has is goning to get dampered by bad press. Especially with Twilight and co acting high and mighty without bothering to fact check. I'll understand, of course, if that's going too much into plot.
8877203 Well considering she's known him his whole damn life I'd think she'd consider his past behavior and deduct that something smelt rotten about the whole thing
I love the chapter. I loved the emotional characteristics of Spike you made, so don’t get yourself down.
But what I don’t like is the attitude that the main 6 (except Fluttershy obviously) shows towards Spike. And I hope they better wise up or else they would totally lose him forever like Pinkie said.
8878180 For me that's kind of the problem. Writing canon characters OOC as horrible people to inssert your OC as the new protagonist is a sign of poor writing.
8877203 As I recall, Spike responded verbally only, then despite being angry, tried to be the better person and walked away. The ponies were the ones who made it physical. As the author, I'd have thought you'd have better recall of what your characters were doing. It gives me limited faith that this story will have no continuity issues.
I honestly have to say I can't stand this Spike. He comes off so much as a brat and a asshole so far. He keep talking about feeling used and all this. But I can't help but keep screaming no one mad him do anything. He keep saying he devoted years of his life to making her like him. You can't make someone like you it happens or it doesn't. And Rarity I honestly feel when she went to say sorry was right to say he was acting like a big dumb dragon. Because he was, he was lashing out, acting like a hot headed brat, and a anger filled brute. Instead of talking to her like the friend she is suppose to be he lashed out because he was feeling bad. I don't agree with how Rarity talked to him at first but at least she tried, she tried to still be a friend above all else. He keep saying she should have out right told him. But she never once encouraged him or lead him on, he did that on his own. It would be one thing if she flirted with him and stuff but she ever did. Hell sound like she treated him like a little brother more than a love interest at all. I hope Spike's prissy behavior doesn't blow back and ruin the girls friendship as well. I just can't get over he proposed to her when they weren't even dating or anything that is so random and just creepy to be honest.
And honestly Twi was so right to be angry at him. He went way over. He felt he had a right to be in that fight, he wasn't mature enough to walk away and let some assholes be. And even then he took it way to far and almost killed someone. I get the feeling Twi used some of her political power to keep him out of real jail for his actions. But the trip could very well be fucked not just for him but the girls as well. I mean word WILL get out that the dragon on board got in a fight but took it too far and almost killed someone. The girls will be looked at funny for bringing somedragon on board who is so unstable he is willing to kill some jerks just for being assholes. And they will look at him like he is a monster. His immature actions will not only effect him but everyone else. But he fill justified in doing it, I mean does he realize shit talkers just come with you are in the public's eye is he going to fight and try to kill everyone who talk bad about Twi if she he wont ever stop fighting and will ruin her rep even more so.
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Yeah, now he does. I meant for him to have a shitty attitude, it shows how still immature he is. This will get better.
Twilight you fucking idiot! Had you listened to him, you would've understood that he was trying to defend your honor!
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She does understand. But seriously, though, what would you do if you see a dragon fighting ponies because they are just talking crap?
1. Twilight and Rarity lost my respect
2. I hope the 3 jackasses get what coming to them.
3. Nice picture
Excellent! chapter can't wait for more
I like how this chapter and can't wait for more man!
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I would at least have the decency to hear what he had to say.
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It'll get better in the later chapters. I promise
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Okay. Maybe Rarity will realize where she messed up, and Twilight will find a way to apologize to him as well.
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They weren't "just talking crap"; they outright ambushed him when he tried to walk away.
And this Twilight is a victim-blaming bitch and moron; given her timing, she had to have seen that Spike was only defending himself from their magic and weapons.
OMG. Twilight, can you EVER show some fing decency for your assistant!? He was standing up for you... the scumbag Bouncer nearly MURDERED him... and you don't even listen to his side of the story in full!? And Rarity, "subtle signs" are not enough to get somepony infatuated with you off your back! You need to straight-up tell them! So... yeah. Sorry, but I just DESPISE Twilight and Rarity in this story right now (and AJ a bit too; she was giving Spike the completely WRONG advice).
As for my overall impression of the chapter... it was well worth the wait! It was so satisfying to see Bouncer and those other assholes get trounced by Spike and Rachel! I hope you make them suffer within the next five days/chapters! Yeah, I just heavily believe in justice, karmatic or otherwise.
It really seems like Rachel is the only one with any remote decency and empathy. After all, she clearly knows the right way to make someone feel better when they're devastated. Normally, I'm not too keen on OCs, but I really am starting to like Rachel! Keep it going!
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...Is this guy for real right now?
Wow rarity is a bitch a stupid unicorn bitch
Love it
I am loving this build up!
I know Twilight will get better (at last I hope she does), but she's being a horrible person right now. If a person wants to mope to cope with something, that's perfectly fine. You do not forcefully pull someone out into public because you think it will help them. She also never heard Spike's side of the story and simply left him there.
Rarity's not much better. You can't simply expect subtle hints to work on somebody who's head over heels for you. Especially when you've never spurned those feelings once, and you actually used those very feelings to your own benefit! Rarity is coming off a little like a Sociopath. At least in the not caring about others feelings aspect.
In fact the only three who appear to be on Spike's side are Rainbow, Fluttershy, and Pinkie. Unexpectedly AJ said the exact opposite of what I thought and her words mirroring Rarity's almost perfectly makes me think that AJ and Rarity might have been in a secret relationship. Though I may just be reading into it a bit.
I find Rachel an interesting and fun character. She has a backstory with those tattoos, along with what she was running away from. I think her and Spike are good together.
tl;dr: I love what you're doing. Keep it up.
Wow this....this was some heavy stuff in this chapter. Can not wait to see more! I know logically, update will come when it can, but as a desperate fan I have to ask; Any guess on when we'll see the next chapter?
Also, this may sound rage-y, but bear with me please. Just an excited fan pointing out things and hopes for what comes next.
Everything that happened to Spike was criminal. LITERALLY criminal. An ambassador to the dragon lands and prince was beaten to unconsciousness and thrown into a cell as the only guilty party without trial or, as far as I remember, without medical attention. The stallions would be guilty of multiple grounds of assault, assault with a deadly weapon, inciting a domestic disturbance, and all of this made worse by his ambassador and royal status. The crew and captain would be guilty of wrongful imprisonment, negligence, discrimination, instigating a diplomatic incident and violating diplomatic immunity. Even Twilight and friends would be considered guilty of the crew charges. Their status as Princess and ambassadors of friendship, as hokey as that sounds, makes them legitimate authority figures and their decision to leave him in detainment while actively denying his right to a say makes them equally guilty of all crew charges as well as abuse of power and potential act of war. Here's what I think should follow (you know, besides all of the romance, new friendships, reconciliation, and/or clop)-
First, he meets Twilight and company the next morning to talk only for them to do something stupid again like ignoring him and going through the whole 'shame on you for doing wrong' BS. He finally has enough and is forced to question the nature of the entire friendship they supposedly had with him. He goes in private to send a letter to Celestia with his account of what happened and a request for Luna to use her abilities to check his memories. Message endorsed by Celestia, Luna, possibly even Cadence and Shining Armor is sent to ship captain. Scumbag stallions are detained in brig for remainder of the voyage until port where guard takes them to court for criminal charges. Captain makes public announcement of actual events and offers public apology on behalf of crew and cruise line company (otherwise, Spike's trip is going to be spent treated like a criminal/animal by all those aboard). Announcement of immediately active one-year restraining order at Spike's request be placed on Twilight and friends as well as warning that, while they won't be immediately detained. they will be met at port by armed escort to Canterlot to explain actions. Twilight and friends are invited to Captain's cabin to review evidence where they get a recording of memories, fight and imprisonment, via recording device of some sort that accompanied message. Possibly hear resigned comment from Captain about how this debacle might end his and crew's career with dismissal and blacklisting for their carelessness. Certainly, the cruise line would expect heavy fines and disciplinary action.
This might seem harsh, but I think this is just the kick in the pants Twilight and co need to take a hard look at present and past actions and think 'Maybe we didn't take this friendship as seriously as we thought?' Even Cadence and Shining would have to be standing beside Celestia's decision to ask 'What were you thinking!?' After all, Spike is kind of their little brother as well (not to mention the heat from imperial public opinion they'd get from citizens hearing about their hero's treatment). It would be a year for Twilight and co to think things through for a change and a year for Spike to cool off, learn to live on his own, make his own mark on the word, maybe show some maturity. Perhaps have him show some maturity by intervening on behalf of Captain and crew so they don't get dealt with too harshly (the stallions, those weasels can rot). Maybe at year's end have Twilight prove they thought things through and Spike forgive them or at least settle for 'Whatever we might have had is gone...but I'm willing to start over.'
I guess what I'm trying to say, in my own rabid fan way, is this- I love this more soon please!
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lol, oh don't worry, those three bozos - the stallions - will get an assbeating of a life time in one of the chapters :3
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Sweet! What about the incident itself though? I imagine any fun Spike has is goning to get dampered by bad press. Especially with Twilight and co acting high and mighty without bothering to fact check. I'll understand, of course, if that's going too much into plot.
I guess Spike didn't wanna break anyone's ankles or make 'em do the 'moonwalk'. That would be too much for those amatuer ballers. Good on 'em.
Honestly, I like this chant far more than “cross my heart and hope to fly, stick a cupcake in my eye”
Is that how teenage girls talk to eachother nowadays? They just call each others bitches?
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Well looked here, someone with a better idea of resolution than what actually happened!
Amazing!
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Well considering she's known him his whole damn life I'd think she'd consider his past behavior and deduct that something smelt rotten about the whole thing
I love the chapter. I loved the emotional characteristics of Spike you made, so don’t get yourself down.
But what I don’t like is the attitude that the main 6 (except Fluttershy obviously) shows towards Spike. And I hope they better wise up or else they would totally lose him forever like Pinkie said.
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I take it premptive physical assault classifies as verbal abuse now?
8878180 For me that's kind of the problem. Writing canon characters OOC as horrible people to inssert your OC as the new protagonist is a sign of poor writing.
8877203 As I recall, Spike responded verbally only, then despite being angry, tried to be the better person and walked away. The ponies were the ones who made it physical. As the author, I'd have thought you'd have better recall of what your characters were doing. It gives me limited faith that this story will have no continuity issues.
Bro 6’5????! Wtf Batman ain’t even that big
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Genetics, her father is pretty big too
.... I don't remember that picture lol
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I updated it lol