Rarity has been stressed lately, run ragged by tall orders and uncivil customers. However, another part of her considers a more fatal method of easing her burden.
The Dark tag and Teen rating are for the subject matter: suicide.
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Rarity? Suicide? Pff. Not bloody likely.
Out of curiosity, why prevent? It`s not like there is any scarcity of people around.
6491273
That's... a bit cold, actually. In my opinion, this shouldn't come down to a purely logic-based issue. The issue of suicide concerns humans, not just some inanimate resource.
This story hit me so hard in the feels I'm out of breath. This was a great story and your depiction of Rarity was amazing despite the circumstances... I'd give it a ten out of ten!
6491302
So... you want to do it because it gives you warm feeling inside? Duly noted.
6491635 Wow, thank you. That might be my first ten out of ten :O
6491654 What is it that I want to do, exactly? I'm not sure I follow.
6491668 Won't be your last either.
This was so powerful and moving. I can relate to how Ratity feels in this story. I have these same thoughts almost daily.....lm around so many people but still feel alone. Then I realize that there are a few who do care and would miss my presence if I did act on those thoughts. It is hard some days to remember but I do eventually.
Anyway, thank you for a very moving story. It truly touched me.. Thank you for the reminder. Some days I need one. Be safe and be well!
6491925 I'm super happy to hear that! :D This is a thing I was hoping to hear in response to this story. Take care, sir/madam :)
6491981 You are very welcome. I was glad to see NSS preread this. He and I have been friends for a little while now.
6492035 Oh, neat. :> I think at this point he's preread... just about all of my stuff. He's a great guy and a pretty talented writer.
6491668 I give you 20/10!
6492124 :O! :DD
A good story. And one with a lesson.
6492063
Yes he is, on both counts! I think you are both quite good, imho!
I've always seen suicide as a permanent solution to what is usually a temporary problem. So, I can't relate, but I can at least try to empathize. The way you describe it, suicide's an uphill battle against yourself: one you can't hope to win without help. Sounds like it sucks, being your own worst enemy. Sometimes, I catch myself being curious as to what's going through their minds when they pull the trigger, or kick over the chair. I don't know if that's just me trying to relate, or whether it's my scholarly impulses luring me down the path Dante took in his Divine Comedy.
Heavy shit, man. Hey, you got me thinking, so have a like. It's the least I can do.
Edit: I...question the logic of putting your author's note at the end of the story, where it seems to me to do the least amount of good.
6491670
The whole suicide prevention thing.
Think about it. You`re going out of your way to try and advise the people you don`t even know, all in the name of saving the lives they themselves want to forfeit (we`re not discussing how "wrong" it is, mind - barring the medical necessity, just about any other suicide is an idiocy).
The question is, why would you? "Because it`s right" is not an explanation in itself - there are far too many things to do right to do them all. So far, it seems you`re doing this for "I`ve helped!" feeling.
Dang. You're a chilling writer. This is great stuff.
6493302 I wrote this story because this is something I've experienced, and I wanted to share my feelings on it. I agree with Magical Hermit--I think suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.
I wrote this story for two reasons; one was for people who experience these thoughts, to which I wanted to offer a solution. It may not be the only solution, but I hoped to at least offer one. For people who haven't experienced these sorts of thoughts, I hoped to give at least some insight into what it might be like to have this experience. I can't speak for everyone on this subject, and I didn't claim to.
Will I be saving lives with this story? Probably not. This is a pony story on Fimfiction, a drop of water in the vast ocean of the internet. Maybe I will, maybe I won't. Who knows.
I don't think I follow this line of reasoning. I don't think I have to do all right things to justify one right thing for the sake of doing it because it's right. So is the message here "doing all right things in the world is impossible, so don't even try doing one right thing"?
6493610
My question is - why exactly THIS right thing? There`s too many to do them all, we gotta choose. So why pick this one? Because you have an experience with it? Or not as much?
6493693 Yep, because I have some experience with suicidal thoughts. It was worse for me years ago, but every now and then the thoughts pop into my head. Nowadays, though, it's easier to manage, partly because of what I discuss in this story.
6493703
Even though the most of it was logical garbage? Seems strange to me that anyone would care to hold on to irrational that is not pleasant.
6493743 If you're referring to my experience as logical garbage, that's insensitive. Sure, the suicidal thoughts were irrational, it doesn't really make sense, but it's how I felt and I couldn't help feeling it. From what I understand, emotions aren't always logical.
Also, I feel like this discussion keeps drifting between topics, here. I'm starting to wonder how this all ties together.
6493759
I thought we already established I don`t have a clue about "sensitive".
As to what is going on? Comprehension. Either there is some kind of logic to what you say, something that would allow to arrange all of it into a definite scheme of some sort... Either there isn`t. If second, all I can do is to consign this to "things I`ll never comprehend".
6491273 Man...there's something profoundly wrong with your reasoning. Just because there's a lot of people on earth doesn't mean that the loss of one because they felt that that was the only way to be happy isn't a big deal. If someone feels bad enough that they think suicide is the only answer, then that means that something is very, very wrong with their surroundings.
As a side note, if I follow the same logic you presented, I could just walk into a store and kill everyone in it, on the basis that there's plenty of people on the planet. Yes, very sound logic.
6494509
Ostensibly, you could. However, you have to remember that your shop victims are unlikely to consent to such. If you so happen to find a shop full of people who desire to be killed by you, well then... good luck.
You need to remember one important thing - committing a suicide is usually an assertion of a person. Not particularly clever or efficient one, but nonetheless it`s a demonstration of one`s will. To go against their will is no small thing - you violate whatever person`s worth they still retain by preventing them from even a last ditch attempt. I`d assume anyone who does this should have pretty damn good reasons for such.
One such reason could be a lack of manpower. When there`s not enough hands to accomodate all the toil, a single suicide could spell the doom for all of the society, and must be prevented at all costs. But that`s clearly not the case here - person`s worth is the only ante in this gamble.
6494545 It may be an assertion of a person's will, but it also happens to be both devastating to the people around them, and a sign that an environment is bad, if whoever the person was felt that that was the only way out.
I'm sure that if more suicidal people took a moment to think about what Rarity did in this fic, then they'd realise that it might not be the answer. You're basically saying that because it's what the person wants, then it's ok, because there's loads of people on the planet.
Using that logic, then if a mentally disturbed person decided he wanted to bomb the town, well then telling him not to would be undermining his will and self-worth.
6493801 I would assert that there is some logic to what I say, though it is not based purely in logic, as you seem to be contending for. Whether or not you see any logic in my argument is up to you, I suppose. I'm dealing with topics that involve emotions, and again, from what I understand, emotions don't always have to make logical sense, and don't, a significant amount of the time.
6494570
I`m not saying anything of the sort. You`re inferring... and doing a piss-poor job at it, I might note.
As for your example, you`re entirely right. Denying a homicidal maniac a chance to blow up a bomb IS undermining their self-worth, and harshly so. Especially true in case it`s a monomania - you`re literally destroying a person in order to save many. And this, happens to be the right thing to do in that particular case. The needs of many outweigh the needs of one.
Now, turning to more generic examples... I guess you lot aren`t in the habit of thinking on your actions.
You prevent a suicide. Alright, cool. But what do you do after it? Do you work with the person you "saved" in order to make sure their environs and mental state are not quite as inviting of a suicide as before? Or you simply pat yourself on the back over a "good deed" done?
To quote Antoine de Saint-Exupery - "You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed." And in your act of prevention, you assert your will over that of another being, forcing/coercing/convincing them to abandon their intent and accept yours, instead. In short, you tame them. But how`s your responsibility faring?
If you`re not ready to step up... Don`t. If you`ve no help other then empty platitudes, then let them die misguided. It`s... easier then living misguided, I can tell you that much.
6497123 Interesting. I think it's pertinent to point out that this story is not physically preventing anyone from committing suicide. So, in asking "why prevent suicide?", it's more of a thought exercise and less pointed at my story. Since it's not relevant to my story anymore, I think this is the point where I'll stop discussing, and I invite you to do the same.
6492793
I've put some thought into this. It's hard to explain, but I feel that putting the AN at the beginning would be too direct. It's like, if my thoughts were darker than they are now and I watched a movie about suicide where the first minute of it says, "Don't do it! Call this number," then I think I'd turn off the movie. There's something about making their message obvious without convincing me of it first that would turn me off to whatever they had to say.
Just my thoughts, though. I could be wrong.
6497467
I don`t have any quarrel with those who think of suicide and then go "bah, what nonsense". There`s very little if anything that can be said against that kind of reasoning. It`s actively preventing others from their explicit decision to go with it that makes me curious.
6497510
No, no. I understand.
And, for some reason, I can't help but envision a hypothetical litmus test to see which method went farther. Having the message up front is more direct, more impersonal, but you're guaranteed to get the message across. What's more, it might help set the stage for the song/story, as was the case for Disturbed's Inside the Fire music video (which was the springboard for my inquiry, anyway).
Alternatively, you wait until after the song/story. With the confrontation of suicide still fresh in your mind, the message will definitely carry a much harder wallop. It'll feel more personal, definitely sticking around for longer than the PA-style of having it before. That said, if someone thought of committing suicide, then was put off by the song/story, they'd miss the announcement (and possibly, the helpline).
Either way, you'd run the risk of sounding preachy, but that's the inescapable fate for any kind of media that isn't purely entertainment.
Wow. This fic really struck a chord with me. Just, The description of Rarity's depression (Believe it was depression) was spot on and I could sympathize perfectly with her.And thanks for the list of helplines, I have them bookmarked in times of.... Peril. Let's just say peril.
Thank you .
Great fic.