Silver Spoon and Scootaloo could never get along. A class project forces them to.
Page generated in 0.071 seconds
Total duration
1,040 users online
2,290,268 hits today, 2,818,023 yesterday
My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic Fanfiction
Designed and coded by knighty & Xaquseg - © 2011-2024
Support us
SubStar
Chat!
Discord
Follow us
Twitter
MLP: Friendship is Magic® - © 2024 Hasbro Inc.®
Fimfiction is in no way affiliated with or endorsed by Hasbro Inc.®
Is it back? Please tell me its back I missed this story so much
Kiro! You've come back to us! My favorite story has been updated once again!
Gods I hate that hate the sin and love the sinner bs. Just a way to tell yourself you're not a bigot while totally being a bigot.
I hope the are able to remain friends.
Oh wow; this chapter really hurts, because there are people who actually think this way in the world.
It really opens your eyes to how some people think, don't it? I bet it was hard to write this chapter. It was really good too, just... Uncomfortable to read, because of how wrong it is, (obviously made that way on purpose)
Thank you, thank you, thank you Kiro! I cannot tell you how happy I am that you updated this. I loved this look into how AB and AJ work as sisters. Great work!
6976522
As a transfemale child of a very religious family, it was surprisingly easy to write, actually, as I've heard some of these justifications before. It was a challenge to find a good balance between cold, unlikable bigotry and what could potentially be construed as misguided traditional mores. I don't actually like the Apples very much, but I try to write them as deeply and accurately and likably as I can, because neglecting a character because you don't like them is poor writing. I hope I managed it.
6976578 You certainly did an amazing job. As much as I hate to admit it, I understand their bigotry and that they're at least ?trying? to understand, even if they're failing spectacularly. I know I wouldn't be able to write a scene like this, that's for sure. Like they can't understand why homosexuality is right and natural, I can't understand why they think the way they do, try as I might. The best I can manage is religious programming passed down through the generations (religious in this case replaced by traditionalist values.) Still, you wrote an amazing scene, despite, or perhaps because of, how difficult it is to see happy horse ponies as anything but kind and accepting after all the other fanfictions that have been read. The fact that I feel so conflicted between wanting to like AB cause I like her in general, and wanting to hate her cause she's been raised as a bigot, can only be further proof of how well you wrote it.
Man, I was just thinking about this story again the other day. Good to see you're still here.
As for that chapter... damn. I'm with 6976507 here: AJ and her traditional ways set her little sister up for this throughout her childhood without even realizing it. AJ loves her sister and knows better than to let her homophobia stand between friends, but didn't understand what she was teaching and the trouble it could cause.
At the same time, her concern for AB's well-being is completely sincere, and her advice for how to repair the damage is not wrong. There's cognitive dissonance here. AJ has terrible ideas about homosexuality, but is not otherwise a stupid or heartless pony.
Great chapter, and again, it's good to have you back
I guess they could work thing out, but Applebloom talked shit about Octavia and Scratch. If anyone talked bad about my parents, that person would be dead to me.
On one hoof. I can see countless generations of Earth Ponies, who are tribalistic and mistrusting of other tribes way back when. Not having access to the unicorns ability to shift gender so one sex can impregnate the same. Thus taking up a strict tradition to pass on the family line, especially in times when a Herd, and more importantly one's lineage was something that ponies needed to pass on. And could only be done via M to F mating.
And with that 1.85 F to 1 M gender split ratio. A stallion could have many mares.
But things've been different for the last few centuries. And Ponyville since not to long after its founding. The fact that spells allow same gender relationships [as unicorns you've stated in this fic earlier are known for [as a majority]] exist. And it's something accessible. Makes that tradition not only old fashioned, but bigoted and irrational.
So on the other hoof. I can't condone AJ's family traditions. Especially with how AJ flew off the handle lots of times around AB till the point that poor filly thought that anyone who was that way was a freak, needing scorn. I admit AJ's attempt to fix things, while still holding onto her bigotted ideals, is in the right place. But it still rubs me the wrong way [on a personal level].
Still A-Freaking-MAZING! Chapter. We really get some insight onto things, And I'm looking forward to how AB tries to fix things, although with her attacking Scoots moms. And AB knowing how livid she'd be if anypony grievously insulted her family. I hope she knows she has some serious uphill work ahead of herself.
Oh! And thank you for coming back to this fic ^_^. It was a pleasant surprise and really was the highlight of my day today ^_^.
You're alive!!!! Great to have you back, and good chapter.
Happy days are here again
Glad to see you back man
i was hoping to see the end to this and I'm glad you didn't let the haters ruin it
At long last, glad to see the story up and running again. Hope you're as happy that you're back as we are.
Does this mean your back? I love this fic and would like to see more.
This chapter was really well written. I grew up in a small, rural, conservative area so I heard stuff like this a lot unfortunately.
Boy, I've been waiting on an update for this story so long I didn't even remember I was waiting for an update for this story.
Glad to say you didn't disappoint, though. Great chapter, and I really hope we'll see more of it soon.
*Looks at his thumbs*
*Looks at the one like button*
It's not fair... It's just not fair.
Well this was very unexpected! Welcome back!
Awesome to see you back! Thanks for another great chapter. When I saw this on my phone, I couldn't wait until I got home and ended up just sitting in my car, keys in the ignition, reading the whole chapter on my phone.
This chapter leaves me conflicted.
I can't really condone Applejack's stance, but it's a whole lot better than quite a few of the more bigoted people I've run into. At least she's not letting her opinion on people's lifestyles rule her. Most often, I just tend to feel a little sad for people like her, and never ever ever bring up the topic. And, although her opinion might have swayed Apple Bloom, that's no get out of jail free card. Applejack might think those things, and say them when she's drunk, but her actions in interacting with her friends should have spoken to AB much louder than her few inebriated words.
Hopefully, it will turn out that AB's feelings of betrayal made her lash out in a more hurtful way than she meant, and that she can form her own opinion on the matter. Of course, she might not form a very good opinion when all's said and done, but anything's better than blindly following other's views. Even if it's your family
Bleh, the whole thing still leaves a bad taste in my mouth. AB's got a lot of thinking to do, and hopefully it leads her to making her utmost effort in getting Scoots to forgive her. I'm guessing the hardest part of that whole interaction is going to be her expectation that Scootaloo owes her an apology as well. I'm glad AJ took the stance she did on Scootaloo coming out, though. Hopefully AB can realize how terrified Scootaloo must have been to admit it. Considering that Scootaloo's been struggling with her own thoughts on it up until just a little while ago, she can't really be considered to have been lying to them.
Damnit, now I need to go back and read everything up to this point again for a refresher. What a chore.
All in all, I thought this chapter was great. It expressed how complicated it can get with people dealing with these issues pretty well. It also showed the mentality you might expect a small town, traditionalist family to have. As I said earlier, I can't condone it, but I'm glad it's not to the level that I'd actually have to condemn it. I like the Apples, for the most part, and it's always a sad day when a story makes me actively hate them. It's happened before, and I'm sure it'll happen again. Here's hoping AB can figure out a way to keep the crusaders in her life, and her heart.
Can I just say that I'm happy that you decided to pick this back up? It really is one of my favorite stories here, and how well the issues are portrayed in it speaks to your ability as a writer.
Glad to see you again, Kiro.
6978654
Man, I can't even give AJ that much credit. The thing is, her viewpoint lacks any sort of integrity, especially bad for the element of honesty. If she believes homosexuality is objectively wrong and destructive, she ought not actively condone it in her friends nor tell AB that she ought to condone it in her friends. If she believes her prejudice to be baseless, (which from the text, it doesn't sound like she does) she ought to know better than to get all up in AB's shit about it (I'm more speaking to the Babs incident, she can't be fully blamed for what she spouts off when drunk). Saying it's wrong and bad, but don't tell anyone that 'cause you might hurt their feelings makes no sense. Sorry, but nothing annoys me more than insufficiently examined ethical positions.
6982196
I'm personally of the opinion that a person can think whatever they want. I don't feel entitled to tell someone what their opinion should be, even if I disagree with them. I'm more concerned with their actions.
If Applejack can still treat her friends and acquaintances as such, while disagreeing with their lifestyle, that's good enough for me. Applejack still seems to be able to look at a whole person and judge them accordingly, instead of focusing on one, from her perspective, negative aspect. While not a perfect situation, it's better than some of the alternatives, and I'm content to view her as a good person who holds some beliefs I don't agree with. At most, I'm sad that she feels the need to pass her prejudices on to her sister, and believe me, if it ever happened in my presence, we'd have words.
Like I said before, her telling AB not to stop being friends with Scootaloo was the right thing to do, and as long as Applejack can keep doing that despite her beliefs, I can't condemn her. Although I despise intolerance, I'm not the thought police.
As for the Babs incident, I'd like think she was as much or more concerned that it was her first cousin, but this IS the Apple family.
6982641
Well yeah, when judged by my ethical framework, her actions are better than if she let her bigot flag fly. Or at least that's what my utilitarian side says. My inner virtue ethicist however, sees that within her ethical framework she's compromising her principles to fit in with her peers. This can't be anything but corrosive to virtue and this cognitive dissonance certainly precludes εὐδαιμονία (eudaimonia - good spirit, good life, fulfillment, the desired result of living a virtuous life.) She should get rid of the dissonance either by realizing her beliefs are wrong and excising them (my preferred solution) or by fully embracing them at the expense of her friendships (the wrong choice from my point-of-view, but at least she'd be living a life of personal integrity.)
My inner grumpy asshole is just pissed when someone acts like their beliefs are wrong (hiding them from the people around them) but can't be arsed to seriously examine those beliefs.
6982787
Well, it should tell her something that keeping her friends is more important to her than being true to her beliefs. You'd think that might prompt her to put them under a bit of closer scrutiny. Maybe it will, eventually. As Applejack seems to run on the 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it' adage, this might be a long time coming without some kind of brutal ultimatum, though.
I doubt Applejack actually does think of her beliefs as wrong, though. Just unpopular, and not exactly something that should be expressed to people that are literally living in opposition to them.
6982985
Is it ethical to condone behavior that's destructive to the person and others? 'Cause that's what it sounds like she believes it is.
Yeah, that kind of attitude makes my hair itch. I just can't grok it. But I know I'm weird. Most people strongly dislike changing their beliefs and would rather live with cognitive dissonance. But I don't understand that attitude and can't condone it. Which is probably why I find myself as a forty year old clinically depressed misanthrope.
6983097
Who ever said Applejack thinks their behavior is destructive? She said it wasn't natural, and wrong, but from her comments, I think a better descriptor for her opinion of it would be 'wasteful'.
Honestly, going by what she says when drunk, she might be stressing her negative view to cover up some conflicting feelings.
Strange assumption for someone that believes that sort of behavior is unnatural to make. And why would a straight mare care if all the pretty mares were lesbians? I think your cognitive dissonance theory might have been even more appropriate than you thought.
Or I'm just reading too much into things. I do that. A lot.
Fuck Yeah. Im so happy to see this story is still progressing and that you're still writing. You're hands down my favorite author here. I hope everything is all good with you and as always Im looking forward to reading more of your works.
So...if I'm understanding both Sweetie and Apple Bloom, their apparent greivance at Scootaloo for desiring females, specifically (or not) Silver Spoon, can be translated to, "Why her, but not me?"
Please someone tell me I'm wrong...
Yay this means that this story will update more frequently right?...right?
6986350
Only Sweetie Belle. And even she only obliquely. That's the emotional response. In both cases, their logical response is somewhat justifiable shock and dismay at being lied to.
6986620
More frequently than once in seven months? I sure hope so.
6995885 yay!
I love the update, thanks for writing it. :)
It was quite believable from my end, and actually made me like the outlook Applejack has on the issues in this AU of My Little Pony. Apple Bloom's words about it earlier in the story made me cringe a little, and I can appreciate how her outlook may be colored. I do like how the 'anger' at 'not being normal' is really only coming out while drinking heavily and could give me some implications there is more to it than simply being 'not normal' as well.
Big Mac might be a bit more liberal minded than his sister as well on those matters, if he was able to quickly dismiss the fooling as none of their business. However, stoic pony is stoic all the same.
I, honestly, don't have anything to critique about this one. It was heartwarming, gave some great background to why everypony thought the way they did earlier in the story, and did a great job of creating a touching scene. AJ learns that what you say while drunk can have worse consequences than just embarrassment as well. XD It also leaves room for Sweetie Belle's secret to still play out, minor conflict over Scootaloo already having made back up with Silver Spoon, etc. I really look forward to where this is going in the end.
Thanks you, again, Kiro. This story is the biggest highlight of awesome I have read on this site. I always appreciate seeing more to it, you have a lot of talent and skill.
6982787 If what you said in the second statement is true, someone pisses inside your grumpy asshole every time a lie is revealed!!
Ass-hash anyone?
7064667
What? No. I just dislike when people refuse to look their cognitive dissonance in the face and actually change their mind about something.
7064728 Relax, man. Kidding. We all go through such things in 1 way/another at some point. No matter who you are, we're all imperfect. There are plenty of people, like me, who fear confrontation, for instance. If you love some1, and disagree with them, and it's been drilled into you that they're freakish, there's a LOT of emotional turmoil.
7065395
*sigh* Yeah, I know. At least intellectually. Thing is, you can't really drill things into me. It doesn't take. I'm almost physically incapable of believing something that doesn't make sense to me. I know that that's not how most humans work and that I'm the weird one. If humanity was made up of me's we'd never have formed any kind of society. That doesn't stop my gut from telling me y'all're nuts.
7065438 Hey, I get it, dude. I'm autistic, 126 IQ w/ an eidetic memory. It's the same case, but I have a father whom is the heterosexual equivalent to me. I was an atheist, until one night I had a dream about Jesus after breaking down & saying "God, if you're real, show me where I'll go when I die." After that, my Dad explained things using my OWN logic, and now, I believe. Sounds crazy, but truth often is.
7065566
I generally project stressful topics onto my dreams, happened the other night as a matter of fact. If you legitimately had a breakdown due to uncertainty in your religious stance, that's certainly stressful enough for your mind to contrive the "proof" you need to justify your position. Not saying that is what happened, just that it's what might have happened.
Everything people do is natural, at least for the person in question. When people create a society you make a distribution of behaviors that define what normal is for the group. There are outlying behaviors that we deem unnatural because they aren't natural for the majority. What changelings do is natural for changelings. Drop them in ponyville and everything they do becomes alien as can be.
7067289 7065566
While I appreciate a generally civil discussion, I'd rather the comments section of my story to be mostly about the story. Please take this to PMs if you don't mind.
7068919 Sorry. I'll bear this in mind in the future, Kiro.
7068919
Oops. Will do.
Well I've been keeping this one around for ages and I was certainly not disappointed
WRiTE MORE DAMN IT
7149814 Maybe I should post again and see if he does it again! Chicken Soup for everyone!
7150685
That'd be an awesome act of serendipity. If it works I'll give you lots of cookies.
7151096 I did NOT see that. So thank you for linking it! Will be awesome to read.
Ah
_____________
I really look forward to the next chapter.
7152257
It is. It's everybit as good IMO as this fic ^_^.
I have just finished reading the story – really nice piece of work, thank you :)
I am looking forward to the next chapter.
6995885
As someone who just finished the prequel to this, I was poking about your page looking for this one (as a friend of mine had recommended the pair and the first was a right brilliant read) Only to stumble upon your... Farewell blog post. Let me just say I am very glad to see you've come back.
Firstly because I'm super excited to dig into this story but it's always hard to read a story I know will never be finished, ESPECIALLY when I know it's gonna be a good read, But secondly and most importantly, because I know what it's like to have the actions of others make you start to hate something you love, and I'm glad to see you found the drive or desire or whatever it is you needed to come back to something that... Well at 160k+ words is obviously very important to you. I wish you the absolute best of luck in your return to writing, whatever the pace.
And now, I should probably get reading, I REALLY wanna get this first chapter finished before bedtime.
Well, this is my favorite story on this site, I am really liking your take on Silver Spoon (in fact I will always enjoy a good take on SS since that filly doesn't get enough love). I also enjoy your take on the other characters, mainly the crisaders! Anyway I am looking forward to the next chapter.