Everyone thinks they're the hero of their own story. Yet nobody wonders just what its like when you swear you're doing the right thing, that everything you're working for is because you have to do it, yet youre seen as the villain for doing so
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The buck?
You mean to tell me Jeremy somehow 'died' and got back up? I smell a plot twist coming up.
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I did say there were some inconsistencies! :D The plot thickens, my friend!
4548690 But would it thicken to blood or perhaps milk? Hmmm.
Any who! I guess Celestia going to pull a 'character needs to be lock away for BS reason' out from her flank pretty soon, and the feelings are going to be mix all around, just like a terribly bad movie. With no redeeming qualities.
Inconsistencies? More like random bits being tossed in.
Spoilers....
So this makes me think that Celestia is indeed totally evil now. Either it was a big misunderstanding and she somehow thinks Jeremy caused the fire (which still wouldn't explain why they kept it a secret), or she simply took the chance at this tragedy to make him disappear(the fact that Cel explicitly stated that she wished to keep his survival and subsequent escape a secret all but confirms this for me). i also find it strange that Tia didn't mention the torture that Jeremy went through, or at least most of it, to Luna. Slowly starving someone is certainly torture but it seems a lot less cruel when compared to daily beatings.
So given that Nightmare and Chrysalis don't seem particularly evil to me just reinforces that Celestia is in fact, the bad guy here. Does anyone else think along the same lines?
In any case, I absolutely love this story, I squeal like a little girl every time this updates, and as always, I ca't wait for more.
So... Gilda?
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I'm not sure Celestia knows the full extent of the torture. It's fairly common for guards to, "Give 'em a little extra," and it's entirely possible they've been beating all their prisoners for some time and just not passing that information on to the higher-ups. I don't think either of the princesses ever interrogated the prisoners themselves, and would only know of their condition via the chain of command.
As for the Jeremy thing, I wonder why he needs to be contained. I'm not sure he even committed a crime; it's possible he contains some sort of sleeping evil, like the fox-demon from Naruto or something. That would explain why he's in the cell with NMM and Chryssi, but on the street they think he's dead. Princess Celestia wouldn't want to slander his name, but she can't let him go free because he harbors a windigo/the disembodied horn of Sombra/a tentacle monster from a bad clopfic. She thinks her prisoners are treated fairly, but down in the trenches we know that's not true.
I think this is just bureaucratic oversight, rather than intentional malice. Only time (and Brightlight24) will tell.
4548899 I can definitely see Celestia not knowing about the rest of the abuse Jeremy suffered but I still don't think that his imprisonment would be a secret. Seems odd that she would wish to protect the reputation of someone she see's as a criminal, but as you said, who the hell knows. guess we'll just have to see.
I say they caused the fire to keep his arrest under wraps, and I have a feeling who the pony at the end was.
I am literally SCREAMING at my screen right now, I think I may have woken up my neighbors and I don't think "this pony story is keeping secrets from me" is a good enough excuse for them.
GAAAAAH!! Why!? Why leave it like this!? I have so many questions!!
He is frend of Gilda!
Wait.
Didn't he tell his little pals in prison that he'd moved to Canterlot and was working for a construction company for quite some time? It's kind of too late to try and keep the existence of a human a secret. That doesn't make sense. And wouldn't someone have told others? Wouldn't people hear through the grapevine about a strange, alien being that appeared in Canterlot one day? And wouldn't it be easier to ask the elements to chip in and just say "he's traveling with two well know villainesses, we can't exactly trust him, subdue him first and then we can get answers"? Wouldn't that make more sense? Wouldn't you WANT the best people you have to track down two of the greatest threats to your country and the newcomer with them? You say it's not "realistic" to have had that "little human" be confronted by Celestia. But this isn't a realistic way to approach a problem. Nor is it very realistic to just stumble upon a way out like they did with no traps or guards. What kind of possible explanation could you give? The only thing that would make sense is if Celestia WANTED the three to get away...but there's no evidence of that.
I like where these hints are going. Having Jeremy be innocent and Celestia covering up her real reasons would be quite refreshing after LoHAV.
That said, it's the second time in a week that I've seen an author use the phrase "here, here" when it is supposed to be "hear, hear", shortened from the original "hear him, hear him!"
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She's not trying to cover up his existence, she's trying to cover up that he's still alive. I'm kinda expecting this to take a turn towards Celestia being a bigot. It would actually be kind of interesting to see it turn out that way in my opinion.
I despise celestia
So Sunbutt deliberately doesn't pay attention to what goes on during interrogations, so she can tell herself that prisoners are only being sent to bed without supper?
And at the same time, she acts like national security depends on her being the only one who knows what's really going on?
I don't know where the author is going with this, but I want to see Nightmare Moon literally rip Celestia a structurally superfluous asshole before it's over.
I'm guessing Celestia made Jeremy dissepear cause he put idea's in people heads and ask questions about pretty much everything. If your a dictator you don't really like that.
So trying to connect the dots here:
>>Jeremy supposedly dies in fire with other ponies
>> Jeremy has no idea why he is imprsoned.
>> Celestia can't let the public know about Jeremy.
Conclusion? Celestia has some BS reason for thinking Jeremy caused the fire that killed the ponies, hence him getting locked up. He probably suffered head trauma or something like a repressed memory. Now, she locked him up without a trial. Now, if she tried to reveal that not only was he in fact not dead, BUT got imprsoned without a proper trial, the ponies would start to question her. As many would make the argument that Jeremy was a good guy, and the fact that no trial or proper investigation was done would lead many to believe that celestia abused her power. Then a shitstorm of wtf would ensue as celestia would try and cover her own ass. Yep.
Also the thing with the "interrogations", that would totally be celestia to think that...
In this chapter: More questions, no answers.
Why would you do this to us?
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No it wouldn't. We've got ten thousand "Celestia is evil" stories on this site. Haven't you heard of the "Trollestia" craze? It's not edgy or new, it's overdone. It's kind of like big, bulky heroes in the 90's. It was cool at first, but the more that was produced, the more people got sick of them because people began to realize the problems when your protagonist or antagonist is exactly the same again and again. It becomes boring to read about how the same character is always evil over and over. You want something new. How is this story any different than any of the conversion bureau stories that show her as a solar tyrant, or the fifty hundred ones that show her as a secret oppressor who kicked the rightful ruler Luna off the throne, etc, etc.
My point is that the "Celestia is evil" thing is overdone, waaaay overdone. I sincerely hope the author isn't taking such a route. That's a big disappointment and runs so contrary to the very core of the character that it's unforgivable.
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I myself haven't read that many stories, and not a single one from the series you named. I also never said I wanted something new, and I honestly don't think people really do. People don't know what they want, and that's been proven more than enough times. I also never stated I was interested in evil Celestia, you just arrived at that conclusion on your own. The exact word I used was "bigot," and bigot ≠evil.
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Usually on THIS site, it does, though. I don't mean to jump to conclusions, but it's like watching a horror movie and seeing people drawing attention to, say, a closet. You know there's gonna be dead bodies or something stuffed in there later, you've seen it happen ten times before, you expect it.
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And yet we watch the movie, expecting to not get spooked by the same old tricks we've seen over and over again, but then it ends up happening anyways. I believe in being pleasantly surprised, sometimes an old worn out idea delivered from a slightly different angle can shine like new.
Heh, Celestia sure is a bitch. Also, Gilda FTW.
Ok I should try reading mystery novels, because I love picking apart every sentence, and speculating on what might be. However I think this story is failing at being a proper mystery. This chapter is very well made and a joy to read, but there's simply no much there.
The only two things of any importance I can pick out is that everyone believes Jeremy is dead (with a bunch of other ponies apparently), and Celestia wants to keep it that way; and Celestia has false reports about how Jeremy was treated, and how he escaped. There is nothing I can do with this. This is not enough to form any kind of proper theory. Being about the only real information we have received about what actually happened it's quit frustrating really.
That's probably the reason why so many people are shouting BS at this. Lack of reason dues not mean an absence of reason. That being said it wouldn't be uncommon. This is one of my favorite of favorite stories, but a proper hint would be appreciated.
Gilda is a perfect friend for Jemery!
Now it looks like she about to stir shit up and find out what really happened to Jemery. Because something doesn't smell right with why he was in jail, and I'm calling setup on this "fire"!
Good chapter! Looking forward to the next.
Is it bad that as soon as Jeremy's winged, non-pony, friend got mentioned I guessed it was gilda?
I smell a conspiracy.
Either that fire was an accident or someone did something...
Hmmm...
I spy something that begins with "plot" and ends with "conspiracy"
I've read the story up to here and decided to stop.
I just couldn't really get into it, for whatever reason.
The dialogue between the three is funny and enjoyable but the lack of detail on what happened to drop Jeremy in jail and the vagueness as to what celestias reasons are for panicing makes the story feel... for lack of a better word, kind of bland to read.
If there was some kinda forshadowing or half memories or anything that sort of put an overarching backing to the story i think i would
Have been more interested in reading on.
Still, enjoyed what i read. Thanks for posting
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I agree with you , but I NEED to know what happened. But even though I dislike having told to me upfront, I also dislike lead along.
<TFS Cell> I have so many questions!
Wow... Celestia is playing some game, but she's also unaware of the torture. Maybe it's a plot by the guard?
... Is he friends with Gilda? Because that'd make my day.
Gilda. Lol
someone is manipulating celestia
4551086 That's kind of the same thing...
7293221 It's close but a little different, after all there's a difference between "there was that one human but he passed away," and "what human? never heard of it."
That naming convention you have by smushing the names together is really annoying me e.g.: TopSuit, EvenOut. It's like reading 'TwilightSparkle' or 'RainbowDash', it just feels like the space is missing. Also pretty sure this wasn't a thing the first time I read this story...
So, he's allegedly dead on record due to a fire from "faulty wiring". The government cannot issue an official search because of this fact, what the hell did they do?
Not three... it's nine in the afternoon.
4559320Actually, there is a hint that Sunbutt is prejudiced against humans
THIS keyword.
Oops now I'm caught up. So sounds like Jeremy may not have committed a crime if the Crown is trying to cover it up...and desperately at that
FUCKING GILDA I KNEW IT HAHAHAHA
So... Celestia is blind to her guards treatment of her prisoners. Or willfully ignorant of it. And hates humans enough to burn down a pony business to cover it up his disappearance. That's some serious animosity right there. And I can't help but feel it's because he's brining in new ideas and "Polluting her Equestria" sounds like some RW dictators I could name...