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The appearance of things isn't always the truth. Bias, lies, tricks, and falsehoods...he's had to deal with them all. Perhaps, dear reader, you will now understand why he has done what he has done. He doesn't expect forgiveness, or even acceptance. But understanding...that's something even he deserves.
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Liked it till I got to the end... I'm sorry making Celestia a bigot is not cool and ruined the story for me.
Hope it's not the same as another story with the same title
edit: it's not.
like the first commenter says, it's a little weird. maybe if the story was tagged alternate universe...
Scrap the ending. Everything else was wonderful though.
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Hmmm? Where is she a bigot, I'm sorry? She's simply looking out for her favourite nephew...after all, why would he ever want to fall in love with a normal pony...when he could have one of the Element bearers?
Ok... sorry when I read this last night I had to plow through fics that bash Celestia so I wasn't in a good mood. I've reread it and the wording of Celestia comment is directed at just Octavia than at Earth Ponies in general. Still I cannot see Celestia saying something like that, she might not be a bigot but you made her a bitch. Love is love.
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And power is power.
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Yet love over came even Celestia, despite my thoughts on the Celestia/Chrysalis duel love can overpower even the most powerful ponies. The love of one's nation can overcome the love shared between sibling.
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Celestia`s remark of "... than that earth pony." gives reader rather solid impression that Celestia`s disapproval of Octavia is based first and foremost on the fact she IS an earth pony.
If so, in your story Celestia is unabashedly racist.
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Plus, that impression is set up from the beginning by Blueblood's own perspective:
" He didn't know how his aunts would react to him going out with an earth pony"
So, Celestia might have different reasons, and Blueblood simply believes she's racist, but - well, he doesn't seem to be wrong about that, at least as far as we as readers can see.
It's certainly an interesting take on the Gala! However, as others have noted, it basically shifts the blame from Blueblood to Celestia, and most readers will come to the conclusion that she's bigoted against earth ponies, even if that isn't what you intended to convey. And a lot of people won't like that.
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Eh, well, I write what I write, and it comes out as it does.
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If she had been racist, wouldn't it have been a slur? "...than that mud pony."?
Well, well, seeing as people are so quick to defend Celestia, my next story will display her in a positive light, setting an example for all the ponies in Equestria. Look for "Fluttershy's Teaching" (WIP Title, subject to change).
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One does not have to be rude about it to be a racist. As is, the fact that the only reason for Celestia`s disapproval we get to see is that Octavia is "that earth pony" - it`s more then enough to peg Celestia as unabashedly racist.
If that`s not the impression you want to give, then you need to give Celestia drastically different reason for disapproval. For example, Celestia may have had arranged a marriage for Blueblood already and thus, finds his infatuation with Octavia to be inconvenient.Or, she might know something about Octavia that Blueblood doesn`t - for example, she might remember that Octavia`s family sided with Nightmare Moon or Discord in the past.
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The point is not that Celestia can do no evil. It`s rather the fact that her racism comes out of left field. Reader does not expect Celestia of all ponies to be prejudiced against earth ponies - after all, she is partially an earth pony.
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How is a unicorn anything like an Earth Pony? Your comment doesn't make sense.
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Alicorn, you mean. It`s been stated that alicorns unite the traits of all three tribes.
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No such thing as an alicorn in MLP, my good man. Only earth ponies, pegasuses, and unicorns.
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First of all, I`m not man.
Second, if you write for fandom, you really ought to be familiar with what`s present in it.
Unicorns don`t have wings, pegasi don`t have horns.
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Except for the winged unicorns, which is the canon name for the type of pony that the Princesses are. There are no alicorns in the show.
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Potato, potatoe...
The problem is simple. Celestia is partially earth pony, just like she is partially unicorn and partially pegasus. Furthermore, if strict adherence to canon is a necessity for you, should I remind you that Celestia had not been spotted favoring one tribe over another yet?
Not to mention that elements of harmony are evenly distributed between tribes and would most assuredly set Celestia straight, if she were to entertain any notions of prejudice against earth ponies, hm? After all, if Celestia were racist, she`d be no better then villains of the show... and warheads make no distinction between riffraff.
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Exactly! So she cannot be racist in the story.
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Bingo. She should not be, but you present her as one.
As things are worded now, it`s hard to make other conclusions - your story blatantly suggests Celestia is prejudiced against earth ponies. (And yes, this is what we call racism.) If that`s not the impression you wanted to give to a reader, you should rewrite the part of story where Celestia is talking to Blueblood, and give her some different reason for being opposed to Blueblood`s choice of marefriend.
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On a related note, I have renewed interest in writing that fanfic where pegasi end up as the 'lesser' race instead of earth ponies (and personally, I'm of the opinion that Blueblood is getting the wrong impression from Celestia; she's got legitimate reasons for wanting Blueblood to stay away but 'Blood gets the impression she's just racist.)
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It could be spun that way, if not for what Celestia herself says in the story. A politician with a millenia-long career is not bloody likely to commit such a gaffe unwittingly. There is no good reason for her to specify she`s got a unicorn that would be better then "that earth pony", unless she genuinely meant to say that any unicorn would be better for Blueblood then the earth pony, no matter how prodigious Octavia may be..
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Or, indeed, she is qualifying her statement of 'having a unicorn' with 'better than that earth pony'. Otherwise, she would not need to mention that the unicorn was better, would she?
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Why specify it`s a unicorn, then? And compare it to "that earth pony"?
If your version of Celestia didn`t care about tribes, it would sound more like - "Come now, Blueblood. Surely you can see there`s no future for you with that deadbeat musician. You are a prince, and you deserve a mare of refinement and grace. Thankfully, I know just the pony for you, dear. Gala would be such an opportune time to meet your future wife, don`t you think, Blueblood? I would be most disappointed it if you happen to miss such an opportunity, nephew. Try not to disappoint me, will you?"
Perhaps. But I have written what I have written.
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Yes, I agree. It's rather a case of unfortunate wording on Celestia's part.
Now I'd really like to know if she knows something about Octavia that we don't, or if she doesn't approve of royals mixing with commoners, and picked a dressmaker from a small town because she's a hero.
Or, Celestia knows about Rarity's dream of marrying a prince, and is trying to make it real as some sort of reward...
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And now, you have to bear the consequence of it.
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I sincerely doubt Celestia is that insane to reward heroism with a husband who loathes the arrangement. As for royals and commoners mixing... Rarity is most assuredly not noble - from what we know, she is, at best, of same social standing is Octavia, if not below.
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Aye, if not for the 'being a hero' part, heh! Honestly, I was throwing about ideas for why Celestia was acting the way she was, and her deciding an arranged marriage would do Blueblood good in the long run might fit her character more than simply being tribalist out of the blue... At least a little.
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That much is true - she might think Rarity would be a good influence on Blueblood. However, that does not explain her hostility towards Octavia - one`d think that she`d at least pause to consider the pony in question, and Octavia had given no reason to believe she`s anything but proper.
Um... no. Celestia is not a racist.
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Agreed. It's unfortunate that the story is over already. A bit more background could've really helped to clear things up, no? Maybe a sequel where we get to see things from Celestia's angle?
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I`m rather inclined to think that this simply wasn`t the best effort fimfiction saw and leave it at that.
Author could`ve made a better effort setting things up. As is, Celestia comes across as out of character racist. That`s just how it is.
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Reading all ya'll getting legitimately mad over Dsarker's depiction of a cartoon horses racial opinions is hilarious.
Also, why can't Celestia come off as a racist, Cyto? Why can't she break cannon and be whatever the author wants her to be, again? Just because a character acts in a way you don't expect doesn't mean THE PIECE IS BAD. Infact, it's the very inverse. To a writer, It doesn't matter wither a reader loves it or hates it, what matters is if it wrestled an emotional string , a debate , or an opinion out of him. And Dsarker certainly wrestled something out of you, Cyto.
And that, is the mark of a good writer.
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It`s called fanfiction for a reason. As in, it uses already established characters. My gripe is not with "Celestia is racist" but with the fact it`s presented as a casual fact everyone is aware of. But there already is an established notion of Celestia. If one decides to contradict it? Give reader the reasons why it happened to be like this.
Reader comes into fanfiction expecting established characters to have some predefined characteristics. Those characteristics are not axiomatic - they can be amended as per author`s liberty, provided that author actually thinks the amendments through and presents reader with a plausible account as to why things would go so. But those expectations should NOT be flung to the wind whimsically. After all, what is the point of using predefined characters if you don`t intend to use their predefined characteristics? It would be more sensible to write original fiction in that case.
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I guess it might seem that way.
But...
The Truth...
It hurts.
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Truth is a lie.
Different, a bit on the short side, and a very sudden ending. If it's worth anything, I didn't think Celestia was acting racist at all. The concept didn't even enter my mind. (Testament to my upbringing or naivete, whichever.) I thought it was more a matter of appearances, highlighting a perceived generalization of Canterlot nobility, than race.
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Can't argue with you on the sudden ending. It might, perhaps, be suitable to write the Gala itself from Bluey's perspective.
While I do find Celestia's... disapproval of Octavia to be way out of left field, it might not be unbelievable... Maybe she's racist in a subtle manner, preferring Unicorns but not despising Pegisi or Earth Ponies. Or she wants to set up Blueblood and Rarity, and to hell with anything else.
Or she's deliberately trolling him, knowing his response is going to be to piss Rarity off in an epic manner, helping with ruining the Grand Galloping Gala.
For the lulz.
There are plenty of fics that have Celestia acting a certain way, but they usually take time to build to that point. They are never ones that have her as a bigot, however. If you want to improve this story, you need more than just 'it isn't a suitable union because I said so'. Celestia's motivation in this just doesn't work, especially as a vehicle to Blueblood's actions towards Rarity.