Ripped from my world? Check. Forced into a incredible powerfull, incredible evil looking body? Double check! No idea what happend to me, how I am supoosed to get back home or let alone survive? Tripple check. Okay, watch out Equestria, here I come!
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You know, when every single one of your protagonists is an unlikable douchenozzle, I have no reason to want to see them succeed. In fact, after everything you've done, I just want them all to suffer and die even more. There's nothing likable or relatable about who they are, what they do, or their intentions. They are 100% pure bag of dicks, they're complete hypocrites, and their fucking murderers. Everything about them and what they want to do is 100% disgusting and twisted, and I don't understand why you continue to have them go on these paths when it's just the same thing over and over. "They do bad shit and innocent people get hurt".
Our PROTAGONISTS, everyone. Literally the worst people ever.
7419972 ...Hypocrites? How so?
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Hm, okay. I can see were you are comming from, I guess. I say "I guess" here mainly because Ganon and Jackie are not my characters but those of my co-author and I have no real hand in how they act or evolve. Let me just say that I know at least a bit on how Jackie will evolve after this crossover arc is done and she is back in her own Verse. She is a unstable teen, gifted with inhuman powers and has the misfortune to run headlong into persons who have no qualms in pushing her deeper into the darkness then the other way round. Yes, Jackie will get worse but not as worse as originaly intended by her author. She still has a long way to go and build her character. Ganon, he is as far as I know, intended to be a dick. "Simple" as it is.
As for Sara/Umbra, yes, she has her moment of colossal dickery, no way of denying that. Yes, she sometimes engages in slaughter but her victims in these cases are usualy raving cultists who willingly sacrifice their own children for cruel rituals and the like. Yes, she tends to act without thinking most times and she has a habbit of shocking creatures into submission and servitude. Yes, she now is the host of the cumulated evil that is known as the Overlord, which keeps whispering dark things into her ears, which she listends to out of overreaching self-confidence and sometimes outright takes the steering wheel. Yes, she has her hypocritic moments.
But please keep in mind, that she agonises over those she ends up killing, that she treats those under her rule as well as she can without breaking character (and risking a Minion uprise) and that most of the time, she tries to steer those around her into playing nice with their surroundings. My girl has an ultimative goal in mind but for the sake of "No Spoilers", I can´t really talk about that in detail.
I am not trying to whitewash anything here or to sound pompous or self-righteous. I know that my idea of a story does not appeal to everyone. Many hate it for featuring a human as a MC instead of a pony, others because it is part of the Displaced sub-genre (which I openly admit, really has hit a low point but we are trying to improve) and again others for reasons like, maybe the smut elements or whatnot. I know that I impossibly can cater to everyones taste and frankly, I am not trying to. I´m just a hobby author, trying my hand at writing for fun.
I try to improve my own writing though. Maybe, if you are up to it and feel like it, you could go a bit more into depth about what exactly you mean when you say that my and my co-authors characters are unlikeable douchnozzles, twisted, disgusting and all around hypocrites?
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The Overlady trying to claim any kind of moral high ground, even towards this version of Ganondorf, is blatantly hypocritical. It's like Jeffrey Dahmer talking down to Ted Bundy. They're both awful monsters. It doesn't matter if one is a slightly different shade of jerk, they're both still jerks. In fact, ANY of the "protagonists" trying to pretend they have any claim to a moral high ground or that they know what should be done is funny...in a sad way.
There is literally nothing keeping our "protagonist", the Overlady, from just saying she's sorry, using her
powers to help others, and making amends for all the awful things she's done. The ponies would forgive her. They did it for Discord! They did it for Starlight! They're AMAZINGLY forgiving.
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Oh, you responded! Well, I just went into a bit more detail above...
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Of course I do respond. Dealing with critique is the only way to improve, ignoring it just makes you look like a dick.
Okay, now let us do this right. Of course you are right, the ponies are forgiving to a fault. If my MC tried, the ponies would proably have put her into the reformation program stat and everything would be sunshine and rainbows. Honestly, I like stories like these, with unlikley characters like, dunno, Alucard or hell, even WW2 Nazis integrating into pony soceity without as so much a hitch. Sara/Umbra is a loving, eas going fangirl at heart and would love nothing more than do so.
BUT (and this is a big but for a reason), I decided against that for plot reasons. Of course I know that the creed of the show is "Friendship is Magic", all is centered around harmony and all that stuff (which I really love btw).
There is a saying that I am fond of. "The brighter the light, the darker the shadow it casts." For all the good that is in Equestira, there has to be something equaly evil. I mean, just look at Tirek. It took a DBZ-esque beastdown to handle this guy and I highly doubt he would ever say sorry and mean it. Sometimes, there are evils obvious as the day and sometimes, there are sneaky evils. Take the Nightmare Cult for an example. Of course I know that in the cannon, there is no way for something like this to exist but this here is fanfiction.
Sara/Umbra has the bad luck to stumble into each and everyone of these dark spots, which really tears her heart out. When she came to in Equestria, she was downright ecstatic but that made the shock of discovering that her beloved Ponyland has all these nastieness all the harder and as she sees these evils, she follows the simple creed of "Sometimes, you just have to put the bad guy six feet under to prevent him for coming back to bite your ass.", something the ponies would never be able to do.
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"There is a saying that I am fond of. "The brighter the light, the darker the shadow it casts." For all the good that is in Equestira, there has to be something equaly evil. I mean, just look at Tirek. It took a DBZ-esque beastdown to handle this guy and I highly doubt he would ever say sorry and mean it. Sometimes, there are evils obvious as the day and sometimes, there are sneaky evils. Take the Nightmare Cult for an example. Of course I know that in the cannon, there is no way for something like this to exist but this here is fanfiction. Sara/Umbra has the bad luck to stumble into each and everyone of these dark spots, which really tears her heart out. When she came to in Equestria, she was downright ecstatic but that made the shock of discovering that her beloved Ponyland has all these nastieness all the harder and as she sees these evils, she follows the simple creed of "Sometimes, you just have to put the bad guy six feet under to prevent him for coming back to bite your ass.", something the ponies would never be able to do."
I THINK sending Tirek to Hell kinda undercuts that. Plus there's Sombra, who's now at a PIECE...conference.
Guess you could say his job was too stressful. Just...FELL TO PIECES.
What's his favorite song? "Pieces! Pieces! Pieces of Me!" No, no, wait! "I'm falling to piiiieeeceeeesss". XD
I think you and I might have a fundamental disagreement on the nature of evil. Evil, to me, isn't a half of one coin. It's a parasite. It's good spoiled. We don't know what a curved line is unless we know what a straight line is, after all. And in every mythology or religion, the Devil or the Big Bad is a fallen Big Good. And that's for a reason, it's because Evil is Good gone wrong. Why do you think the road to Hell is paved with good intentions? Because nobody has bad intentions. Everyone does what they think is morally right. Nobody wakes up and says "Imma kick a puppy cuz I'm evil". If they did, they'd be INSANE.
People do bad like, say, Doctor Doom or Magneto, for good reasons. Their methods are repulsive and twisted, but they feel their intent and goal is fine, that their ends justify the means. Other bad guys like, say, Toffee from Star vs the Forces of Evil or Xanatos from Gargoyles might have bad intentions, but they're very charming and affable and are surprisingly nice for bad guys, and often they do what they do because of personal reasons, with Toffee implying that he wants to hurt Star and the Royal Family cuz they hurt HIM, etc. People do bad because they feel they're owed something, that something that they deserve was taken from them, or because people hurt those they love and care about and so they're gonna repay evil with evil. But even then, that stems from a good thing, an idea of seeing something you care for being hurt and wanting to make it right. It's just their idea of doing that gets twisted into wrong.
And I think you feel that evil is that whole "duality" thing, that good can't exist without evil and vice versa. I don't really buy into that, and I think that fundamental disagreement might make it impossible for us to see eye to eye.
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Hehe, *snrk* that had me in pieces.^^
But ya, I think we just discovered the crux of the matter. I indeed firmly believe that there cannot be Good without Evil and vice versa. If this prevents us from seeing eye to eye, that is sad but can not be changed. At least you were civil enough to talk things out and for that, I thank you.m(_ _)m
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Thanks. Take care. ^_^
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You too.
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Whoa. Two people on the internet with differing opinions discussed their opinions reasonably and parted amicably? Have I been Displaced into a parallel universe?
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I commend you both.
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By all mens, feel free to do so.^^ In fact, the sucker allready had a few cameos in other Displaced fics and yes, he was always that evil doctor dude who did questionable surgeries and the like. It is a big, big Multiverse after all.
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Thank you kindly.^^ Almost seems that way, doesn´t it? Say, would you like some oatmeal cookies and blue milk?
Just thought of a goofy situation, what if the dark tower got toppled over or just began to lean dangerously too much, and Umbra had to ask a"Blue dog" with big friends to help
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Well, there is an actual arch dragon on route to the tower sooo~....
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7423457 also you've been chugging out a lot of chapters recently, don't burn yourself out
7423571 not to worry. I wouldn't push my lovely co-author so far, no. Katze and I have been working on this little love child of a project since... damn, December last year? Where does the time go? But yes, all of these chapters have been finished and ready to go for a while. It's the final chapter that we need to go about writing.
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Yaya, time sure flies when you have oodles of funnsies amirite Arre?^^ Also, it is like my marvelous co-author said, all those chapters have been writen for a while ago and have been fine polished, so no risk for burn-out. In fact, all this helped me stave of burn-out if anything. De-clog the old thinkey slush, ya know DD?
7424210 hoy, don't call me DD; do I look like I wear a pink ballerina tutu and have blonde twin pony tails.......eventhoe it makes me look pretty, but that's not the point
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Weeell~ If I squint my eyes very hard and also take a lot of these happy fun-time pills, then yes.
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That was decidedly well said. And you're quite right, while there are dualities in this world, good and evil are not one of them, though I would potentially clarify that while evil has parasitical tendencies, it would be more accurate to say it is an absence of good rather than a corruption of it. Which is to say that when you claim to be "neutral", what you are really claiming is that if you see an evil act commited in front of you, you will simply walk on by (i.e. abetting).
What's more, it is quite a simple matter to prove one need not have evil to understand what good is with a simple thought experiment:
Say it's a hot day, and you see your neighbor mowing their lawn, and it's so hot you can see the sweat stains on their shirt. So, being a good neighbor, you decide to take them a nice, cool glass of lemonade. That's a good thing to do. Now, take the neighbor again, but this time, their kidney's have failed and you just happen to be a perfect match, and, under no obligation to do anything, you decide to part with one of your kidneys, saving their life. A greater good.
Simple.
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If Umbra will focus on this, really and actually focus, that Jackie is developing, that she really does want Jackie to become her own person and not just do what others say, it could serve both as a way to act as a better guide and give Umbra herself a real a feasible way to do the same thing.
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That is the actual game plan for my girl.^^ Now here´s to hoping it will work as intended.
7429310 Good begets good, evil begets evil, evil can not beget good but good can beget evil.
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Correct, but only on the caveat that the last instance only occurs with intentions. A good action in and of itself never begets evil. That only occurs when an outside force acts upon it. And that's why the world can be as messy as it is. Everyone pulls at their own strings, but it all affects the control bar we're all connect too in turn.
7437421 Exactly. Someone can set out to do good but by outside influence it can be made evil under the pretense of "It was for the greater good" or by someone directly or indirectly manipulating the outcome of said event.
7429375 I would like to ask when we can expect the next chapter, also is Umbra going to become more evil as time goes on? Love the story but I just had to ask for curiosity's sake and not to make you mad in anyway.
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Guys, I love it when you all get philosopical like that.^^
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Hmm, what to expect for the next chaps? Slaughter & bloodshed, conflict between two certain humanoids, a big-ass arch dragon and Jackie going home.
Also, do not worry, you´re not making me mad, that takes a entirley different route.^^ Umbra is the newest host of the "Overlord spirit", to put it that way and she absorbs pure evil essence like it was cocoa on a cod winter day, so yes, my girl will become noticable more evil in the future. No more spoilers though.