Cozy was never in Tartarus. Cozy never met Grogar nor Chrysalis. Cozy is not in prison, except the one in her mind.
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Have you ever seen a child try to steal all the magic from the world? That would stop the sun and moon in place, which would be bad in any orientation. The punishment must match the crime, and no matter how you look at it, planetary genocide is a pretty high crime. Straight to Tartarus regardless of age.
You sir (or Ma'am ^^;) deserved the watch/upvoted/Favorited the story and you from yours truly X3
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You're wrong. YOU'RE WRONG YOU LIAR!!!
Uh, even though that's all a dream to her (in this story) or not, she's not the first crazy child character I encounter nor the last.
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I believe I pointed out the logistical impossibilities of Cozy even managing to pull this off.
9815917
So Cozy is less redeemable than Luna who committed a similar crime? Why was Luna offered forgiveness, but Cozy not sent to an institution to be given the mental healthcare she desperately needs?
First enjoy the story very much. An interesting what-if. Heck, could be argued that what Cozy experienced was the Tree of Harmony showing her what would happen if she continued down the path she was on. Let her see how she would have ended up.
Now then, as for the show and how Cozy is treated, I have a theory about this and I am shocked the show never went with this:
Cozy's not a filly
Cozy is a mare.
She is Baby Doll from Batman: The Animated Series. She has Hypopituitarism that makes her look like a filly and she behaves as one purely to get into the school for her evil plan. The cutsey talking, the innocent look... its all an act. Cozy isn't even her real name... she chose it to sound more innocent.
EDIT: looking up information on her Cutie Mark to discuss this further, and the symbolism of the Rook and Castling (to rapidly change positions suddenly) I found this tweet that confirms my theory. She is based on Baby Doll from Batman: The Animated Series.
Now, I can't say for sure, but I could see MLP realizing after they had set her up as the villain that having a middle-age mare pretending to be a child... hanging out with children... was a VERY bad idea, as that gets very pedeophile. So they had to take the lesser of two evils and just never reveal the truth. But the staff all but confirm she is based on Baby Doll and most likely is an adult.
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Good reference. I’m surprised someone knows Babydoll, even I felt so sorry for her for being trapped to look like a child.
–George Harrison
In all seriousness, that Author's Note near-singlehandely slaughtered any good will I had towards this story.
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There is something else to support this. But it is a spoiler so I am not only spoiler tagging it but also putting a massive space so no one highlights it by accident
Last chance
We see both Cozy and Pinkie get the full might of Discord's powers. Pinkie just grows huge. Cozy grows huge... and looks like an adult. The most adult pony form the show has shown, namely Celestia's style. Why? Could it be Cozy's desire to actually look like an adult, like the Baby Doll episode clip you posted?
Spacing to avoid spoiler tag for others.
Nothing in the main storyline has made sense ever since season 7 ended. This show is all about forgiveness and understanding, and oh I'm so pissed off. I also watched the rest of the final season and I literally just want to cry. And it's NOT from being sad that the show ended...
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Well said. And why didn't they do more with the Pillars? Especially Flash Magnus. (What'd you think of the story?)
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You think that was Luna? Oh, you poor, pitiful fool. That was Nightmare Moon. Completely different.
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Actually, Celestia stated in a recent episode that she defeated Luna-and Luna looked briefly ashamed before accepting Celestia's comfort. Luna WAS Nightmare Moon. (I actually had an idea of Cozy ripping into Luna and saying "maybe I should just call myself Bad Dream Saturn and dye my fur darker!")
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One-dimensional characters to fill out the roster because the writers were out of ideas for the main characters. Just like the student 6. There was some merit in them showing more of Equestrias history and their impact on it, but after their return they were just wasted. And I've never seen someone get character assassinated as fast as Starswirl. He was supposed to be the great hero of his time, genious of friendship and understanding... Yet what he turned out to be was an egotistic, rude and a plethora of other bad words.
And he still made more sense than Crazy Glue.
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God I wish they'd done more with the Pillars.
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Agree and wished that his greatest accomplishments with the pillars turned into their ultimate mistakes. My example the Sirens, what if banishing them was a spark for a war against the entire race of Sirens and the Hippogriffs can’t do anything to stop them since the ocean of the world is the Sirens’s Territory to their one small area.
As much as I love Cozy as a character and villain, she deserved her fate.
And that is all I have to say on the matter.
Very nice! I always found it unfitting as Punishment for a Child. I mean, what starlight did, altering the past, is Way worse and she was forgiven.
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Yeah there was so much they could have done with just Starswirl alone if they had actually bothered to use him. Like take Starlight under his wing. I still see her as this generations Starswirl, the same way Twilight is the new Celestia.
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Not really, considering she, at first, had well intentions (her methods, were not), and accepted Twilight's offer to become friends
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Starlight's ideology, while flawed, DID kind of make sense when looked at from certain perspectives. It was only after she lost everything she had that she went crazy, which, again, is understandable.
Cozy Glow, though, was crazy from the start.
Plus, it doesn't matter what Cozy's backstory was, there is no good reason to try to rid Equestria of all magic just to gain power.
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Cozy Glow wasn't going to give them the chance.
Plus, we don't know how long they were actually going to keep her in Tartarus.
For all we know, they were going to eventually try to reform her, but they couldn't take any risks, so Tartarus would have served as a temporary holding facility.
But then Beginning of the End happened.
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Considering Cozy Glow was likely the first child villain they encountered that could do something on that level, it's likely they didn't have a place set up for her.
Cozy literally says, "Honesty? Loyalty? Generosity? Blah-blah-blah! I can make more friends without using any of them! And if I can't do it here, I'll do it somewhere else!"
And then she tried to flee the scene.
Or she's just a sociopath.
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I don't care what your opinion of the show may be, but that language is absolutely uncalled for.
At worst, the writers didn't take as much time as they should've to think through their implications.
Just wait for the Season 9 finale. It's gonna be far worse. XD
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Thanks.
And for my part, I'm sorry if I came off as one of those "#triggered" types. I happen to have a clinically diagnosed mental disorder, so I can get a bit more worked up about that stuff than I probably have any real right to. It strikes a little too close to home sometimes, y'know?
Looking back, I probably could've worded that original comment a little better. My bad.
Cozy Glow is an unrepentent little monster you idiot. Have you not seen what she does in season 9? That does not scream she was sorry about anything.
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The US law code is barbarous. A poor man gets sent to jail for life for stealing fifty bucks while a rapists gets off because he's "from a good family,"
https://abcnews.go.com/US/man-spent-36-years-prison-stealing-50-bakery/story?id=65264675
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/453629-judge-who-said-accused-teen-rapist-came-from-good-family
It must not have a been a very good family-it produced a rapist!
They gave Cozy a chance to explain herself. Cozy was the one who said she did it all for power. Then she cackled, said she would do it all again somewhere else, and tried to escape. Without any remorse.
So you can't really say they didn't give her a chance.
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Oh, is that why Luna says to Twilight she took away "our dark powers"? Because it wasn't actually Luna?
Makes perfect sense!
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Yeah, Twilight asked why Cozy Glow did what she did, and she flew into a rant about it being about power. As for Starlight, Twilight didn't really get a chance to dig into her motivations until the season finale, where it became clear that it wasn't because she's just a power-hungry psychopath, and either way, the thought of Equestria being destroyed started the process of her having a breakdown, was in denial at first.
Cozy Glow literally heard Rainbow Dash say they barely caught everypony in time on that field trip (which Cozy had helped arrange, because she got Rainbow Dash to cover for Twilight), and did she start faltering? No. She'd heard that she'd almost gotten others killed, and she didn't care, just like Lightning Dust, except worse.
Cozy Glow was actually a good student. The only test she was ever shown failing was done intentionally, and the students respected her. Twilight trusted her. She was appreciated, and she repaid Twilight and her friends by tricking them into Tartarus, betraying them like they meant nothing to her, because they didn't. If you can sit through friendship school, pass tests flawlessly, help others do it, and then turn around and twist those ideals for your own gain, without even the slightest hint that it was for any reason beyond ambition? You're a lost cause. She knew the words, but not the music, and she'd heard the music so many times, but it wasn't enough, and it never would be.
As for some future S9 spoilers... Cozy Glow was eagerly taunting prisoners with the prospect of them being murdered. Oh, and she had zero objections to Chrysalis threatening to rip off Spike's wings, even had a smile on her face, didn't she?
She mostly has excuses made for her because she's both a kid, and female, especially the former. She's more than precocious enough to possess moral agency.
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You're making unfounded assumptions on her backstory. There's no evidence she was coerced into doing anything in S8 and beyond, via the influence of her backstory.
You're probably meant to believe that Cozy Glow doesn't have some mitigating backstory along the lines of "it's all she knows," because there hasn't been one. Anything to the contrary is pure fanon. We don't know anything about what her parents are like, and she sought out Tirek's advice of her own free will.
You know who else doesn't have a backstory even remotely mitigating/explaining their actions? Chrysalis, and she'd sung that her army attacking Canterlot was "The kind of day of which I've dreamed since I was small". Cozy Glow is a version of Chrysalis who'd gotten around to being a megalomaniac as a child.
Sometimes, people are just inherently empty. Loving, morally upstanding parents might not matter in some cases.
You can't teach a psychopath to feel empathy. As for a solution, magical mind-control is the only thing I could think of that could conceivably work, but that's rather... unethical, isn't it?
Ask yourself this: would S8's finale have happened the way it did if the writers had it in their heads that "poor Cozy Glow was indoctrinated and Twilight didn't even try to help her?" If you think the answer is yes, then I don't know what to tell you.
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Too dark for my tastes-I'm skipping the finale.
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I take it you havent seen the finale yet? Cozy Glow is one of the most vile, evil unrepentant beings in the series and that made her such an awesome villain. She is encased in stone with chrysalis and tirek for all eternity for her crimes and I wouldnt have it any other way.
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...Wow. I've said before that Cozy reminded me of Darla Dimple with much higher career aspirations, but this? This blasts it completely out of the water.
Not a bad fic, but a little confusing when it deviate from the 'dream' to explain Cozy life...
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Thanks for commenting. Anything in particular?
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Anything in particular about what?
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Anything particularly confusing about the story?
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Maybe confusing is not the right word... But it's only semantics, not sure why Cozy suddenly began to talk about the past... Seems more like a fix-fic that other things
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And on that note, does anyone who saw season 8's A Matter of Principles and season 9's The Ending Of The End really think Discord's reformation is genuine? Really?
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I don't count anything past season 7 as cannon.
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Fair enough.
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If a child were to somehow get a hold of a device that could wipe out all life, let alone build one by themselves with no one finding out until it is nearly too late, most sensible people are not going to condemn the child. They are going to want to know how a child managed to get their hands on that device in the first place. If a student at any school, anywhere, were to build themselves a thermonuclear bomb at school and no one noticed until it was nearly too late, sure, they are going to put that child in either juvenile detention or that wing of the hospital no one gets into without a key, and then demand the heads of everyone who allowed it to happen. Shy of certain countries who would have rewarded her for her contribution. If Equestria was anything like the real world, Cozy would have gone to a care facility and Twilight's school would have been shut down pending an investigation. Considering the teachers are all Twilight's friends and not a one has teaching credentials, The schools not accredited, and we saw things like Applejack indoctrinating students into the way of the apple, I wouldn't give that school much of a chance of reopening.
How did Cozy Glow know how to build that device? If the plans were in the library, why are the plans for such a dangerous device in the library?! And for that matter how was she a pen pall to someone locked up in Tartarus?
In the Ending of the End Cozy Glow is clearly being used as a patsy by Discord. Discord brought back King Sombra, broke Cozy and Tirek out of Tartarus, forcibly enlists Chrysalis who up to that point had been perfectly happy finding new and interesting ways to make Twilight's life miserable.
They sent a child who could not fully comprehend the potential outcome of her actions to Tartarus, and yet the worst villein of the lot gets off scot-free.
I enjoyed this take on that episode. I was also imagining how things might progress if Discord was bound and determined to continue with his plan to 'test' Twilight.
Do Timberwolves dream of electric sheep?
Season 7 Finals! For me!