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Twilight floated a second fritter up to her mouth when she realized the first was gone. “What is in these things?” “Mostly love. Love ‘n about three sticks of butter.”

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Nov
20th
2012

Short stories, and what I know about writing them · 10:28pm Nov 20th, 2012

First, I'm about to give writing advice. Anytime I do that from now on, I'm going to start out with this quote, because this is what you need to know about writing advice:

Nobody teaches a writer anything.
You tell'em what you know.
You tell'em to find their voice and stay with it.
You tell the ones that have it to keep at it.
You tell the ones that don't have it to keep at it too... because that's the only way they're gonna get to where they're going.
- Wonder Boys

So this is just me telling you what I know. Or what I think I know.

Let's talk about short stories. There aren't enough of them on this site.

Some of you are seriously side-eyeing me. Have I looked at the feature box? Have I scanned the front page? All people write are dumb two thousand word stories!

Be that as it may, that's not the kind of short story I'm talking about.

There are two kinds of short stories. One tries to take you deep into a moment. The plot might be thin, or non-existent, there doesn't have to be character development. This doesn't make it bad, if the scene is touching or scary or tells you something new and interesting about the characters. This is the kind of story that's all over fanfiction, since we already have the history of the characters, and we already know the setting, and we do love reading about some ponies, whatever they happen to be doing.

The second kind is rare, it's what I'd like to see more of. It has a plot. It has character development. And it manages to get it all across in less than 7500 words. (That being the Nebula awards definition of a short story, so length may vary.) This is a totally valid, but difficult, kind of story to write. Not every story that has a plot, even a complex plot, has to be a novel. (As proof, I offer a song:, Lily, Rosemary and The Jack of Hearts by Bob Dylan introduces four characters with complex relationships, and tells the story of how and why they're involved in a murder, with a bank heist subplot, in 888 words. Here are the lyrics on a google doc, if you'd rather just read them.)

If anyone ever told you that your story felt rushed, you were writing this kind of story, but you messed up. (Or they're idiots who don't understand/like short fiction. Sometimes it's hard to tell the difference.)

So how do you make a story like that not feel rushed? I've been analyzing that for the past day or so. Here's what i came up with:

It's in the details.

What a story like the the ones I'm talking about does is takes the climax of a larger story, and condenses the rest of the story into details. Take my story “How to do a Sonic Rainboom” as an example (one of the few times I feel like I did this successfully, I should add.) That story could have been a novel. I could have told about Dash missing out on the Wonderbolts auditions and finally giving up, about Scoot becoming a Wonderbolt and Dash training her, about Scoot losing touch with her friends and not really making new ones, about Scoot's attempts to learn to do a Sonic Rainboom, her fight with Dash, the aftermath of her fight with Dash, how Dash died, and the final lesson that's the title of the story.

But I didn't have to. I showed you those things, but not by saying them. Just telling the reader what happened is what makes a story feel rushed, because the reader feels like the author is just trying to get something out of the way. Instead I added those pieces of plot as details. Dash not becoming a Wonderbolt is a few lines of narration at first, relating to Scoot's obsession with learning to do a sonic rainboom, then a few pieces of dialogue, and another piece of narration at the end when Scoot realizes why Dash never became a Wonderbolt. Scoot training Dash is another few lines through out the story, with Dash's refusal to give up her greatest trick driving the plot. Scoot losing touch with her friends is a quick piece of dialogue, and the narration telling us that she doesn't have time for a special somepony. The pieces of the story are woven in, so you have that longer plot by the end, but you put it together yourself.

I think I'm making sense here. It's what I see in the story, at least, and what I see missing from a lot of short stories I see on the website. It makes me disappointed when people say that you can't tell a story with character development, or a story that develops a relationship, in two thousand words. Of course you can, you just have to realize what you're writing and how to do it.

If you guys know some really good short stories on the site, ones that manage to tell a whole story, feel free to link me!

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You are so right. I can tell 3 different stories in 1. How? small glimpses into the old stories. A flashabeck here, a memory there, emntioning why *he reacts in that particular way...
And sudenly you got the story for presenet time and a separate story.

It's funny to do that as easter eggs. I even plan to use it to make a regular story turn grimdark :rainbowhuh:
I'm not sure if i wil ever post it (have been plotting details for like 5 months now), but i hope to do so.

It would be wonderful if either of my two oneshots was as good as the type of story that you have described. Alas, I do not feel that they were.

As you said in the quotation box, I shall keep at it though, so that I finally discover the story inside that fits your description of that rare short story.

Maybe, the story I am working on, Remembering The Shared Love, for the shipping challenge will be that story.

I tried to find some for you from my favorites list, and, wow, type 2 short stories are rare here. Here's what I have:

The King of Carrot Flowers: Already told you about it.
The Carnivore's Prayer, Cold in Gardez: 10,000 words, but it's got a lot of stuff in there.
Who Makes the Wind Blow?, by Church
How To Do A... oh, never mind.
So Be It, device heretic: Not sure if you consider this type 2?

My type 2 shorts (all sad OCs, of course):
Second-Best Pony: Meh, needs more work.
Burning Man Brony (10,000 words)
20 Minutes

I found an interesting type 1 story a few days ago: M0RN1NGR3M1X3D by Owlor. It has poor grammar and a graceless ending, and it's one of those serious stories, but you can see the gem under the dirt.

Hm. I'm taking notes here.

I always get absorbed in the emotion of a moment, then stumble around it with little details that add as much as subtract - many a time I've built around a premise, only to eventually tear the whole thing down in disgust and disappointment.

I'll give these stories a look through, starting with the ones detailed by Bad Horse - who quietly the best darn pseudonym on FIMFiction.

Any others? I'm down for suggestions. Looks like everyone has an offering. I'll throw in my two cents by suggesting Brother - by Martian.

I'm so in a rut.

Hurm :moustache:

522329 >I'm so in a rut
:trollestia:

522329

many a time I've built around a premise, only to eventually tear the whole thing down in disgust and disappointment

I've tossed two scenes already from a work in progress, and there will be more. What I need, perhaps, is a little electronic Padding Alert that tells me that such-and-such a scene is superfluous. I'll usually figure it out on the second editing pass, but I'm safer, I think, if I'm not overly impressed by something destined for the wastebasket.

LAWLZ I NO NOT HOW REED! I IZ DUM!

522989

You can read! LIAR!

The question is: are you happy TORTURING US ALL by not writing your wonderful little stories? IT BURNS.

522950

Yep. You know exactly what I mean, Dusty. I assume it's very common - I've been proofreading my second Awards chapter, and ugh. I described the same thing twice in two different places using needless complexities. Ugh again.

522937

I've been portal'd! I'm making that a thing now. PORTAL'D!

523027 What stories?

:trollestia:

523396

You are why Church's Group can't have nice things.

523399 :pinkiesad2:

Untrue. My group was not meant specifically for my stories. It was meant only for my absurd nature... and for others with similar traits...

523434

Hmpf. It's a good thing you're pretty.

523434>>523399
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