After Fluttershy drums up the courage to ask Rarity for something she's always wanted, the fashionista realizes BDSM is quite to her liking...
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Lovely. It's nice how they're so focused on each other's needs.
Oh, now this is very interesting. The scene itself was great, I liked the dynamic of Lady Rarity and "Miss Posey," although I do feel the end could have been just a little more drawn out.
But more interestingly, I wajt to see where this new situation is going to go. Is Fluttershy going to get her pet playdate so soon, or is she going to discover a little something about exhibitionism?
Actually, this setup reminds me of Nana to Kaoru, when they first introduce Tachi. I very much like the idea of Rainbow playing Tachi here![:ajsmug:](https://static.fimfiction.net/images/emoticons/ajsmug.png)
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So you mean no deliberate actions which are made specifically for humiliation. Being a kitty is humiliating, that's why it's exciting.
I get that but still if that doesn't work what do you do?
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Exactly. It's the risk that comes from lumping sado-masochism and Dominance/submission together in one big "bdsm" category. Not that I'm saying they should be separated, because clearly there is an overlapping, fluid spectrum here, but it makes communication even more key.
As in your example, at one end of the club is a sub who's thinking, "Geez, stop all the talking about power and submission and all that stuff. My ass should have been red raw by now." And at the same time you can hear a voice from the other end of the club shouting, "What the…?! Avocado! Avocado! Dude, I brought that riding crop so you could look all menacing and intimidating in the scene, not for you to actually hit me! That's going to leave a mark!" The typical sounds of a D/s⇔s/m mismatch due to poor communication.![:facehoof:](https://static.fimfiction.net/images/emoticons/facehoof.png)
The solution, of course, is for both couples to swap partners… or have a foursome.![:raritywink:](https://static.fimfiction.net/images/emoticons/raritywink.png)
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For Fluttershy, it's not humiliating though. At least, not within chosen company. There very much is a power exchange, but she doesn't feel degraded, she feels freed.
Aaaaand I could have SWORN Troublesome Beast already responded to your earlier comment, but maybe I'm just crazy.
Lemme try and address it.
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Buuuut... It isn't. Humiliation really isn't the only reason people engage in pet play. Or even bdsm. There's an online community I used to post on... Uh... Fetlife! That's it. I talked to kinksters of many kinds. I encountered some who weren't into being made to feel degraded, but who enjoyed stuff like pony play. Now, to those of us not into pretending to be someone's horse, we would feel degraded. But for the sub that's into it, I've heard straight from the horse's mouth (sorry couldn't help it) that there is often a sense of relief and even pride in being their owner's prized stallion/mare. Might it be seen as a little demented? I guess so. But role play of this sort has existed for centuries.
I'm finding it concerning that you keep conflating power with violence. Violence is not the only way to secure compliance from a person. You're forgetting that this is alot of elaborate foreplay. The sub's obedience is often already expected up to a point. The "resistance" is just more foreplay. Fluttershy is making it clear she doesn't want her foreplay to involve pain. Rarity can expect Fluttershy's compliance without having to resort to violence.
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OK yeah, I'm not crazy. Beast did respond to this already.
Yeah after reading his excellent response (ugh, I miss him) I'm kind of at a loss. I don't know how else someone can explain to you that violence is not the only form of dominance. Or that humiliation doesn't always have a place in a dynamic.
https://www.fimfiction.net/story/328441/9/her-collar-her-love/chapter-eight-oh-the-theatrics-never-end-with-this-mare#comment/8139636
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I adored Nana to Kaoru <3 <3 <3 I especially loved the Black Label story. The idea of gradually building trust and thus earning devoted love is so precious!
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What Nine said. As for what do you do if the disapproving glare doesn't work? Give them a taste of pleasure. (like the chocolate, or a sexual touch) when they're good, and then with hold it when they re naughty. As others have pointed out, it's more about confidence and presence.
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They are the same desires so it makes sense they would be put together. It's just a question of rather it's conscious or not but it's the sense of helplessness and inability to protect yourself that makes masochists excited. The thing that makes sadists excited is that sense of domination and power over another. It is never about the pain itself but about the social element.
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It is humiliating but people aren't always aware of their emotions. A good example is skydiving which subsists of fear. People who love skydiving don't describe the emotion they feel as fear but it is the thing that makes them excited. If it wasn't then they wouldn't get any adrenaline at all. It just simply weak enough to remain in their subconscious. If you say you want to be humiliated it means pushing past that subconscious and actually make them uncomfortable. You are subconsciously humiliated, if you weren't it wouldn't really do anything. It is both the excitement of her seeing Fluttershy and the ability to make herself weak and vulnerable together with someone she trusts.
The thing is that violence is possible. It doesn't have to be often but what makes stuff like this exciting is that she could use violence if she chooses. It can be extremely mild and very rare but you are submitting to her authority and it will not feel good if you do not obey.
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Indeed. It is a matter of how much power and charisma Rarity has and how much counter pressure Fluttershy wants to exert. If pain isn't needed for her for submission then it's fine, especially since they are only just beginning.
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I'm sorry but I just don't agree. I think after Troublesome Beast's detailed comment, I have nothing more to add except to say that and leave it.
The bottom line is: Fluttershy says she doesn't want it, so Rarity isn't doing it.
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oh man,i forgot i made that comment haha.but thank you for responding with the example,it makes a lot more sense now than id did before :)
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Sadists love reactions. Not just from pain, can be from pleasure and tickling as well. They do enjoy having the power to make the bottom squirm as they see fit (within negotiated limits). However...I am going to say this as best as I can, S/M is a subset of D/S, D/S however, does not require S/M. Sadist enjoy pushing the buttons of the masochist repeatedly, such caning until welts cover the body, or tickling the body until they're satisfied. You can have a Caretaker top who is nurturing and loving, encouraging growth, You can have a Master/Mistress, who directs the servant to perform chores. A God/Goddess that desires worship/tribute from the bottom. Can these different types be S/M? Sure! but they are not required to be.
Fluttershy in this context doesn't see as humiliating. She wants to enjoy the freedom of not thinking like a pony, of not having responsibilities of a pony, and to be taken care of like a kitty. (With sexual undertones) Introducing humiliation to it may take her out of the headspace, and perhaps cause her to feel ashamed about her interests. And not sexy ashamed.
Give them a taste of pleasure, make sure they know what you're offering as a reward. If for some reason they are acting out, and you have no clue what to do, end the scene and discuss what they were expecting. Hell of a lot better than resorting to violence and having them safeword for feeling unsafe.
See above for the different archetypes of what a D/S relationship might be looking for. (There's more archetypes of course, those are just some examples). Yes each one has a power exchange, but how that power is used differently for each type. A pet or little probably wont be happy serving a God/Goddess, and a Servant may not enjoy being doted upon by a Caretaker type.
If someone has negotiated no pain, it is the duty of both parties to understand EXACTLY what that means. If that means nothing that would induce that sensation, it is not to be done. The bottom trusts the top to respect that. Once that trust is broken, it's hard to mend. And, as stated in Chapter 2, if word gets out about a consent violation/abuse, that person will not be as welcomed to events as they once were.
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Black Label was so good! I do wish there was a continuation though, after such a long build up.
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We definitely wanted to emphasize the loving part! I've seen too many stories that play up her haughtiness and materialism. Whatever Rarity's flaws, she cares deeply for her friends and would do anything for them! ...Wink, wink.