Chapter 10: Can't Touch This
If you stand in the forest under Cloudsdale during the autumn equinox, you can see the butterfly migration from the south forests of White Tail Woods to the Galloping Gorge in the north. As one butter-coated pegasus may tell you, Equestrian butterflies are exceptionally strong. The little buggers are strong enough to blow you back. In fact, if you're annoying enough, they may decide to lift you up and dump you in a nearby lake.
As such, these majestic creatures seem to forget that they were once caterpillars.
And caterpillars are just lazy, greedy, do-nothings that eat all the good leaves.
I would take that statement seriously; it came from a moth.
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Searching for a few hours in the dirt and dust of the archeological dig had turned up nothing particularly interesting. The one thing they had to show for all their work was a broken coffee mug with 'I ❤ New York'—except the 'N' was scratched out and the heart had a crack in it. David passed the mug to one of the junior archeologists in the field who squirrelled it away in some way too complicated cataloging system. David chuckled to himself as he found that most of the things he would consider trash or rubbish were being carefully preserved as though they were some kind of priceless relics.
He headed back to Luna who was still comforting Professor Artefact concerning the matter of her soundly disproven theories.
“Things shall be well, Professor Artefact,” he heard Luna say. “I know what it is like to lose much.” The academic sniffled and wiped away a few tears.
“The important lesson is to move on,” Luna continued, rubbing a hoof on the archaeologist's withers. “Pursue your passion, no matter the obstacle.” She paused. “Sometimes the answer shall reveal itself in front of you.”
Professor Artefact perked up at that. “Yes,” she said, getting to her hooves. She swayed a little but otherwise looked determined and full of renewed vigour.
“Yes,” she repeated more strongly. She looked at David. “You there! You can help me with the history. An unprecedented opportunity to get the story straight from the, uhh Apian’s mouth, as it were!”
David glanced at Luna.
In a moment when two souls are perfectly in sync, telepathic messages can sometimes cross the physical distance between two beings and establish rapid-fire communications. The Gorlians found this out fairly early in their evolutionary tree and it lead to almost instantaneous transmission of information around the globe. Imagine getting the telephone, but in the Stone Age. Unsurprisingly, the Gorlians advanced fairly quickly after that. Humans had the same opportunity, but various attempts at telepathy were quickly laughed off.
The exchange lasted barely a second, but much was relayed in that moment.
You set this up, David sent.
Most certainly not! A Princess is not so devious.
Oh you know that I know that you know what you did.
David. Thou art confusing me.
…You owe me a beer.
Done… as soon as I find out what a ‘beer’ is.
At the conclusion of the exchange, Professor Artefact glanced at both pony and human. To her it seemed they just stared at each other momentarily and blinked.
“Beer?” David asked.
“Indeed,” the Princess of the Night replied.
“What?” Professor Artefact interjected, confused.
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Twilight and Celestia were moving through the passages underneath the ground level of Canterlot castle.
“I’ve never been here before, Princess.”
Celestia smiled at her student. “I doubt many ponies know of the catacombs. The secret passages leading to here are only accessible via loyal servants to the Crown. Fewer know of the egress from the catacombs and fewer still know or have the magical ability to deactivate the protection over the entranceway.” Her eyes glittered as she made solid eye contact with Twilight. “Trust me when I say that you, I, and less than a hooful of other ponies know about this chamber.”
Twilight’s ears perked as she considered the compliment that Celestia had paid her. She was trusted! She blushed as she calculated how to thank Celestia for the opportunity. As she opened her mouth to speak the narrow pathway widened and lights flared up ahead.
“What I’m about to show you, Twilight, must never leave this chamber.” Celestia chuckled slightly. “Physically,” she added, “or otherwise.”
A soft white glow emanated regularly from strip lighting recessed into the walls. Twilight couldn’t detect any magic from them, but she sensed energy flows that passed through them similar to the Cry-pod. She frowned. She hadn’t seen that curious little box for a while now, and she wondered what it was up to.
Her previous thought sunk in. Her eyes widened.
“Princess,” she began hesitantly. “This place wasn’t built by ponies, was it?”
Celestia nodded, proud that her student had come to that conclusion on her own.
“Congratulations, Twilight. Would you like to hazard a guess at who did?”
Twilight swallowed and looked away. “I guess, if I had to make an educated assumption, barring the possibility–“
“Twilight,” Celestia interrupted her student. She knew when Twilight was dodging the question.
Twilight sighed. “I would have to say the humans, Princess.”
“Correct. Although that is a fact that has only recently come to light.”
“Princess?”
“We haven’t been calling these creatures humans, which we now know what they call themselves, but Apians.”
“Apians,” Twilight mumbled. “Sounds right, somehow.”
“Indeed, I must profess to liking that label somewhat… In either case, we believed it to be built by some ancient race, perhaps one we had not encountered before. When we first discovered this, I instinctively knew that it was important and I had the catacombs and the palace built right on top of it.”
“So you knew about David and the box?”
“Somewhat. I didn’t know its purpose or indeed what it was. All I knew was that it matched the craftsponyship and the faint energy readings from down here.”
Twilight was confused. “So why did you keep the box in the Royal Canterlot Archives? I’ve been using it as a lounge under that bay window!”
Princess Celestia gave an assured shrug. “Nopony except you and I visit the non-fiction section of the Royal Canterlot Archives. Who’s to say it couldn’t serve dual purpose?”
Twilight opened her mouth. She shut it. Embarrassing as it was, she had never seen anypony except the Princess in that part of the library.
“But… What if somepony got hurt? The box could have been dangerous.”
Celestia smiled at her student. That was the Twilight she knew; always thinking about other ponies. “Bear in mind,” she said. “This box was inert for the last, ooooh, ten thousand years or so? At that point it basically became a decoration. It never did anything except sit there, unlike this.”
The pair had reached the end of the hallway. Twilight found herself staring into a curious looking wall. It seemed like it was made entirely of metal, but its silvery sheen was occluded with a fine layer of dust, save for a small section of a shiny, flat-glass panel sticking out the side. Twilight caught some words written on the wall. She peered closer at the wall, it looked more like a door, with the seam that ran through the middle of it. A door, she wondered where it could lead...
Celestia took in Twilight’s reaction and laid a hoof on Twilight’s back to prevent her from diving in to give the door a more thorough inspection.
“Hold on, you must listen.”
“Listen? Listen to what?”
Celestia watched Twilight as she strained to hear sounds in the tunnels around them. Her ears twitching in anticipation. When Twilight heard it, she almost jumped in fright.
“Alert. This bay has been reserved for human survivors of event N1. There are currently [DATA CORRUPTED] ships left for retrieval to the new colony located on Tau Ceti. Who was the idiot who sent the Brits to Alpha Centauri anyway? Also, why did they just go? God, I’m surrounded by idiots–”
The voice cut off after that.
Twilight blinked. “That was… interesting.”
Celestia nodded. “It took us many years to understand what they were talking about. It seems that the Api–humans were planning to leave this planet and journey to the stars.”
Twilight giggled. “Surely that’s impossible.” Celestia’s expression spoke volumes in the encroaching silence. “No,” Twilight continued. “Really?” A nod. “But how?”
There was a pause. “I don’t know,” Celestia admitted. “But the idea intrigues me.”
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“So let me get this straight. You travel around in these ‘cars’, which require roads, and for long-distance travel you fly in ‘planes’. Both of which travel faster than a pony can gallop—without magic?”
“Yep.”
“That’s not just absurd, that’s fantastical!”
David shrugged helplessly and shot Luna a look. The mare shrugged back at David.
“I think, perhaps, what David the human is trying to say is that they developed a whole new system without the use of magic.”
“Impossible,” Artefact shot back. “The complex structures and metallurgy, how do you think that could be achieved without magic?”
David blinked as if the answer was obvious.
“Electricity,” he stated. “We run things mainly on electricity.”
“How do you automate anything without using animation spells?”
David thought about that, tapping a finger to his chin. Luna observed the action and, not for the first time, thought it looked very similar to pony body language.
“I think we use something called a microchip.” He scratched his skull, wracking his brains. “I don’t really know how they work, other than it uses electricity and it somehow switches on and off really fast, and that’s just how it works.”
Artefact was skeptical. “I can’t believe such a thing as electricity could do anything you have described. Everypony knows that only magic works.”
David was starting to get frustrated. “How can you say it’s magic? Magic can’t solve everything!” He frowned. “Hold on,” he said turning to Luna. “How did we get here?”
“Magic,” the Lunar Princess replied. “I would have thought it obvious after teleporting here.”
David’s eyes widened. “Teleportation?! Crikey. You lot are more advanced than I thought. Got me going with all the castles and the princesses and all that.”
Luna didn’t look particularly offended but she cocked her head curiously. “What makes you think we were not so advanced?” Professor Artefact leaned forward, interested in the answer.
David gestured weakly. “Oh, you know, castles and all that was centuries behind in our development. We have skyscrapers and apartments and high-density housing—urban sprawl and all that.”
Luna frowned. “Do you not have castles where you come from?”
David cocked his head, considering the point. “Huh, I guess you’re right. We did, at least back in my day. Are you saying you have apartments and high-rises and the like?”
Professor Artefact nodded. “Of course,” she said. “That’s all of Manehatten.”
“Mane-hatten? Okay then. Well this world just got a lot weirder. I would probably cope better with dragons, princesses and old castles like they should be.”
Princess Luna dipped her head. “I must admit a fondness for castles and traditionalism. I hold no court with these new ‘apartments’ and ‘high-rise’ buildings.”
“I prefer a comfortable suburban home myself,” David commented. He turned to Professor Artefact. “Is that everything?” he asked impatiently. The mare nodded.
As he turned around the Professor called back to him.
“You better come back though and repay me for destroying my life’s work!”
David frowned at that. “What? That wasn’t even my fault!”
“Yes it was!”
“What the– oh fine, I’ll come back sometime.” He re-addressed the Princess of the Night. “Okay,” he giggled disturbingly. Luna detected a hint of something off-putting in the human’s eye and she stepped back. “Let’s get drunk.”
One of the links exploded through the final checkup, refresh and magic will happen.
microchips send a signal through the circuit they reside in to either input or not input, which is on and off, 0 and 1. when they are turned on, because electricity moves extremely fast, the microchip or whatever is powered by electricity, can and usually, move in less than a quarter of a second, to its destination, which is normally the input or on. plz use this as david remembering something he read on wikipedia.
The one thing they had to show for all their work was a broken coffee mug with 'I ❤ New York'—except the 'N' was scratched out and the heart had a crack in it.
ah seh waht yu did thar.
Good
JOKES ON YOU I'M UNICELLULAR!
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Is shit-pissed really a term? I've heard of getting shit-faced, or getting pissed, never together like that though.
Luna and Davis getting drunk, well this should be good.
I hope David has learned at least how to make a potato battery or some similarly simple electric device. Also, Professor Artefact's gender has flip-flopped a couple times; you might want to go back and fix that.
As an Amoeboid-American, I take offense to this.
5376765 Really? Must be an Australian thing.
Nice chapter, well enjoyed.
In the name of alcoholics everywhere, they should take him to...the XXXX brewery ruins.
They don't like the word "human"? Apian sounds weird. How about "Imago Dei"?
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I also hope he has a chat with the mane 6.
surprise, we're doing it now!
5376803 I don't see the gender flip flop, can you point it out to me? I must be blind.
5376816 ...I am Australian.
5377017 Then that has made this conversation very awkward. I don't know, my friends and I use that expression all the time, probably for the express purpose of combining shit-faced and piss-drunk in a succinct phrase that quite accurately sums up a good night out. As I always say, you know you've had a good night out if you wake up and you can't identify the coastline... or the animals...
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5377029 Or the shiela in the bed next to you.
5377029 Eh, fair enough. I'm from Tassie, maybe we don't use that one much down here.
You are wonderful!! <3
You just know a signal was sent out and the Brits are on there way back to Earth to pick up there stray human.
5377343 >Tassie
Well that explains everything! (I'm not one to be talking though, being a Canberra fag...)
And, to be honest, I've never heard or used shit-pissed myself, but I have seen it online and used in general bogan stereotypes, so I do think it's a thing.
... So... I broke 'eeww York?
*falls from chair laughing*
I'm interested in seeing your explanation for the whole sun and moon thing, seeing as they've been OBSERVED being moved about....
do you need me to explain how the sun and moon work? i can explain.
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Is that a reference?
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be fair if your posh or British you can use any word in the English language to represent being DRUNK
5378423 I'm not sure... is it? Your choice!
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Should I be worried about the humans when they decide to come back?
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Looking again, I couldn't find it. I must have misread it.
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Sex too.
"Cheerio, old bean, wot say you we go and chuck the old bicycle around a bit, then off and have a go at walloping wastebaskets, 'eh?"
5378317 Yeah, I am now utterly pissed at this story for throwing in something so obviously wrong.
Comedy is one thing, taking a crap on established canon is another thing entirely.
Besides, the better way of doing this is to say that Discord appeared and screwed up the whole solar system to it could only work by magic.
That, at least, is plausible and agrees with the present canon.
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*Alondro violently stabs a finger at "Return of Harmony Part 2" and "Princess Twilight Sparkle" and "Twilight's Kingdom".*
Equestria's sun goes around the planet, and it's controlled by magic. 3 episodes have CONCLUSIVELY demonstrated it.
The discussion is OVER!
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I'm sorry you feel that way. There are two things I want to point out.
First, off this is Alternate Universe tagged. From the beginning. That means the story is allowed to deviate from main canon. Granted, it doesn't for most part, but there is enough to warrant it (i.e. Equestria on Earth has never been established in canon and technically could contradict it).
Second, this story arc merely revealed that the system was geocentric and that the ponies did not have control over real celestial objects. This means that changes observed on the ground of these celestial objects moving must not actually be physically done. Hence, it must be actuated through illusion or some sort of psychological/mentalism manipulation. Though it seems like it on the surface, none of this actually contradicts canon, since it was never established that the suns, stars, moon, etc. work the same as they do here or whether there is some sort of underlying system.
Trust me when I say this has not been written half-baked.
5379861 Once again, I'd like to point out that they may feel like they are doing that, and it may seem like a sympathetic reaction in response to their magic, but magic may not actually be the cause, or if it is, it doesn't necessarily mean that the real sun, moon, stars actually move. Also, a discussion implies there were two sides to the conversation.
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Do you comprehend the sheer power and control required to create such a perfect illusion GLOBALLY, which would include bending ALL wavelengths to perfectly mimic the sunlight? And what would even be the point in the first place? Why the need for the illusion when the Sun and Moon work fine on their own?
It only makes sense when one doesn't truly comprehend the scale of what is being suggested.
Simply saying the God-like Discord screwed up the system and required the formation of a small magical Sun when he threw the Earth out of its orbit covers all the bases, and does so believably.
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Then I guess gravity doesn't work if I don't believe in it either.
Why must people go out of their way to prove that magic can't work in a world that has magic?
It's like trying to explain "Lord of the Rings" scientifically.
perhaps they both control the planet and instead spin the planet.
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Doesn't have to work globally, it only has to work in the country. I never disbelieved in the mechanics, I gave an alternate explanation of it.
i.e. The phenomenon of gravity shows that objects are attracted to each other. The pen falls to the Earth, you can demonstrate that it works like that. The thing that differentiates the Law of Gravitation to show-canon in a story is the fact that anyone can independently test the theory and it remains consistent. Now, we are allowed, as writers, to propose alternate explanation based on the one true show-canon demonstration of the phenomenon that celestial objects appear to move across the skies. I can say that it could be an illusion, it could be that Equestria is under that illusion. You can disagree with that, it's fine, but the story has basis to include that and it works. It's not contradicting canon.
Also you bring up the point that the magic required to do it globally would be enormous... and I say what? Moving a star or the planet seems somewhat more plausible than this? Think about a magic sun (suppose it burns indefinitely) you'd have to have a ridiculous amount of power to spawn it as well, that makes little sense too. Also mimicry of light on all wavelengths isn't particularly hard, just superheat hydrogen, helium and the trace elements of the Sun and it'll have the same characteristics. The illusion doesn't even need to be permanent, you just show 'wee! I changed it from day to night and back again, now I return it back to its original position, end illusion there'.
Also you technically contradicted yourself there you'd have to bend 'ALL wavelengths to perfectly mimic the sunlight'... the magic sun would have to do the same.
Discord also doesn't cover the bases. They said that the unicorns BEFORE Discord used to raise the sun and the moon. Hence, what you are proposing DIRECTLY contradicts canon. Season 2 Episode 11: Hearth's Warming Eve: "The unicorn's demanded the same. In return for magically bringing forth day and night." (this is roughly 4 minutes in).
I never refuted the existence of magic, I just said it has to happen in another way. Notice how David is surprised teleportation works. Notice how I propose the alternative explanation could be an illusion all requires magic. The only 'restraint' I put on this was Heliocentricity and the fact that ponies couldn't actually control the real sun and moon.
Now you are welcome to dispute these points, but heck it's still an alternate universe, so I still have leeway even in that. Despite that, it's all self-consistent if you think about it.
I hope this is a satisfactory response.
5380280 Uh huh... so that assumes that in over a thousand years, no pony has ever travelled outside their country to learn the truth and Equestria has been more shut off than North Korea from all outside foreign travel.
Seriously, unless it was global, there's no way to hide the facts that long.
Discord could easily be responsible: he threw the Earth out of orbit the FIRST time he showed up, either got bored and left or was defeated somehow, THEN the Hearthwarming Events come much later, THEN he breaks free/comes back and creates chaos.
Not very hard to think of...
As for the illusion: a global illusion of that magnitude doesn't merely require power, it required immense concentration. I can scarcely think of how intricate a spell matrix would need to be to compensate for all the spatial variables to hold an illusion around a planet moving through space. It would simplify matters if it used multiple fixed foci as grounding points, but in that case the spell could be automated... assuming a power receiver crystal or other charged object... eh, forget it.
The point is, WHY do they bother with the illusion? WHY did the unicorns pretend to do what every living thing outside their nation knew would be false? WHY would the alicorns, taking the place of the unicorn frauds, then continue to perpetuate the fraud? If they were cruel tyrants, it MIGHT make sense as something to keep a stranglehold over the populace who would not risk the wrath of the Sun God... but Celestia? What purpose could she have to maintaining this falsehood for a thousand years?
IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, not from any angle I approach it.
If we're now going to say that magic exists on future Earth, something physics in our universe CONCLUSIVELY states is impossible, then why does a god-like being shoving the planet out of orbit and making a little faux-sun seem so implausible?
I am astounded by the mentality some have adopted pertaining to the Equestria-centric canon of the show. No matter how many times the show VISUALLY DEMONSTRATES the alicorns or Discord moving the Sun and Moon, you're still in denial.
Again, the CLEAR-CUT example of "Princess Twilight Sparkle": Luna causes an eclipse. Celestia then tells her she must lower the Moon. LOWER THE MOON. She does not tell her sister to put the illusion back. They are alone in the castle. They would both know the truth. What point would there be to Celestia repeating what they both know to be false to attempt to pull her sister back from madness? What point would there be to sealing Luna in the moon? How could Celestia even seal Luna in the Moon if they had no connection to it? Where was Luna sealed if not the moon? How then can a heliocentric world where Sun and Moon move on their own be rectified with the memory Twilight saw?
Denying the Equestria-centric fact raises HUGE numbers of questions regarding established that cannot be answered, as well as ignoring the mounting examples of alicorns visibly moving the Sun and Moon.
The Sun and Moon being moved is present in FOUR episodes, and now Twilight herself has raised the Sun. Do you not think she, the Element of Magic, one who knows so many spells, would have noticed if the spell was an illusion spell?
Everything in all the canon of Equestria STATES that their world is the center of their system. The writers and creators of the show STATE that this is the fact of Equestria's world. And still, that's not enough proof.
Why must people CONSTANTLY over-complicate what is a simple truth of Equestria: their Sun moves around their planet and both it and the moon are controlled by magic.
In a land of levitation, teleportation, changelings that eat love, dragons, manticores, hydras, Mirror Pools, time travel spells, Tartarus, windigoes who eat hate, a smokey undead unicorn, magical crystal hearts, hydras, parasprites, phoenixes, unicorns, pegasi who control the weather (or is that an illusion too?), and literally a hundred other physical impossibilities; why is the Sun and Moon thing so hard for people to accept?
You accept ALL the other impossibilities... save the one stated as absolute fact from the very first minute of the very first episode of the show. There's stubborn, and then there's sheer obliviousness.
Do you have these same sorts of arguments over the construction of Discworld, a flat world carried on the back of a turtle? That is the stated and demonstrated reality of that fictional world.
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To anyone reading this comment, I'd just like to warn you that it may contain spoilers for chapter 10, for the sake of efficiency I've neglected to use spoiler tags. Feel free to scroll pass this if you're not interested in the comment chain.
I like a good discussion, but I think your argument is flawed.
To your first point: You said it had to be global, I merely pointed it out that it did not have to be either. Given the amount of other species that visit Equestria i.e. barely any as seen in the show, Equestria is pretty isolationist. Also, you don't go to a country and hammer on someone's beliefs, they are extremely hard to change. You're stating this as if one pony could change the mind of others so easily when they 'find out the truth'. Think about how hard it was to convince people the Earth wasn't flat. It's not hard to perpetuate falsehoods, there could be dissenters, there could be people who find out i.e. Star Swirl. To solve this problem I can hand-wave and say wow maybe it is global, so what?
To your second point: How is it that your proposition for this mechanism is any more valid than mine? It's not more simple, it's not any less convoluted. My explanation doesn't contradict canon, if you explain yours as you did I don't see how it does either. But, I don't see why you have a contention with mine, because your explanation is as extra-canon as mine. Why do you have a problem with that?
To your third point: Again I'd like to reiterate, how is this any different than knocking Earth out of orbit, spawning a small magical sun and then trying to move the moon any different? Putting aside how you seem to special plead for your sun to not require the same concentration or intricacies in maintaining a non-decaying orbit around Earth (or whatever planet Equestria is on), what about the Moon? Did it come with Earth. Assuming it's the same moon, it's got a mass of roughly 7 x 10^ 22 kg. Are you proposing he spawned yet another moon? If so, I don't see how that's more valid than my point.
To your fourth point: Maybe they knew it was an illusion, maybe they didn't. The story has only revealed that Celestia knew this. It didn't even point out when. So... invalid. As it was stated in the story, Luna actually genuinely believes she is controlling the moon. Which by extension would mean that anyone could automatically connect to the illusion matrix and then get it working, it might seem like they're reaching out for the sun or the moon, etc. Then you say, where did this matrix come from? It could have come from Discord, it could have come from the unicorns, it could have just been there for a very long time as a result of the humans. HMMMM?
To your fifth point: Maybe I misstated the response, if I did I apologise for it. I did say hey they have magic and it was demonstrated on David and all them. I also didn't mention that it could have some underlying mechanism to it. Science, advanced electromagnetic fields, in-built quantum-level calculators, who knows? It seems that magic exists and maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. But that doesn't make your theory any more valid that mine? So you're saying that I find your proposition is far-fetched? I didn't, I just said if you're going to make those arguments, and say that mine is, you better not use that example because heck mine is valid too!
To your sixth point: I don't even want to point out all the flaws here but heck I will. 1. I'm not in denial because whether I actually accept this as my own headcanon is actually in question, I've never actually stated my position, I'm defending the plot in the writing. 2. This is a fan-fiction, set in an alternate universe, pretty sure they didn't imagine that Equestria used to be Earth, I didn't actually hear you complaining about that fact when it happened in the story.
To your seventh point: I believe I addressed this earlier so cool beans. I've proposed an alternative explanation. All your example are pointing to ponies that believe they are doing it. So... shrug? Doesn't mean it's true for reasons as above.
As a summation of this whole argument and a response to the Discworld comment: Why can't I? Do I have to take the author's opinion on the mechanics outside the story itself? You say I'm stubborn? Maybe. But I don't see why your explanation which is also extra-canon to the show has to be better than mine, or should I say more accurately the story's. If it makes you mad, well sorry I hit your pet peeve but I do have a logical stance for using it. The point is, as an author, if I wanted to deconstruct something and explore it by providing mechanics behind it, why should that be in dispute?
You raise some interesting alternative explanations which are just as internally consistent. Where I disagree is your opinion is that it is better. Plus, I might use these mechanics to explain this story but I could use other mechanics for others, why would you be angry that authors choose to do this? I would understand if it were like 'the Everfree doesn't exist' well that's contradictory to canon. But if some author wants to say 'the Everfree came from Earth' some people might not like it, but it's not better than 'there was a massive battle in that place and chaos magic permeated the ground, making the weather unpredictable and spawning all manner of dangerous creatures, that land became the Everfree forest', or something. Some might be closer in 'show physics' but that doesn't make either explanation 'better' than one or the other and that also doesn't mean that the other person purporting that explanation is 'in denial'.
Anyway that's all I have for now. Hope that answers your challenges.
. “Let’s get shit-pissed.”
Please for the love of god change this.
Lets get shit faced
lets get wankered
lets get piss drunk
lets get wasted.
5382304 Since that's the second comment I got about that, I'll just change it.
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Uhm, yeah... see, most educated people knew that by the time of the Greeks. Ugh, just.. no more. This just isn't believable in the show setting.
No, that makes NO SENSE!! The Everfree has its own magic and has all manner of bizarre creatures that CANNOT exit on Earth. If they wish to go that route they must strip the Everfree of all magic and leave it a place where magic cannot function or has no effect on the life there.
After that, they must then consider how these changes will affect the history of the world they are constructing. A simple for instance: the Sisters would not have constructed their castle in such a place.
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I've never actually met somebody who says "Cheerio, old chap" in the most serious fashion
the only time I hear it is when someone's taking the mick out of posh tarts
5383142 I believe you are qualifying your statement by saying 'educated' people. The majority still believed the Earth wasn't round.
To your second point it was an example. I wouldn't say it makes no sense. You could say, hey it's a patch of land that came from Earth, so the weather there is unpredictable. It's localised to that extent and magical plants and animals and ponies can go in and affect it in its own way. Or... to put my argument in a better way without even using Earth or science, let's say there's two explanations:
1. The Everfree could have been made through Chaos magic by Discord.
2. The Everfree could have been born through a magical accident/fallout that ruined the castle and turned local fauna and flora hostile.
The distinction I was trying to make was that they're both extra-canon explanations for an in-canon feature.
I respect your opinion and explanations but I don't have to accept that it is superior. I'm glad you are defending your beliefs very strongly, I just think that it's a bit strange to have these peeves of one particular story plot point which is valid in asserting its argument.
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Are these characters going appearance in this story at some point? :
Zecora
Discord
Lyra Heartstrings
Gilda
Sombra
Trixie
Braeburn
Queen Chrysalis and the changelings
Mr. Carrot Cake and Mrs. Cup Cake
Cheerilee
Derpy Hooves
Tirek
Garble and the rest of the teenage dragons
Trenderhoof
Princess Cadance and Shinning Armor
EDIT: Iron Will
Coco Pommel
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I'm going to have to agree with Alondro on this. It wasn't hard to prove the Earth was round. Anyone with a knowledge of geometry knew it in the time of ancient Greece, and anyone who could read knew it after that. It wasn't hard to convince people of that fact, it just wasn't necessary to inform illiterate peasants that they lived on a giant sphere.
Second, while you were almost forced into the idea of Celestia not controlling the sun by the fact that Equestria is on human Earth, I still don't see why such a completely unnecessary and ridiculous illusion was used for over a thousand years. What was the point? It actually dampens scientific progress, and almost nothing good can come out of pretending to raise the sun, unless as Alondro pointed out, Celestia is a tyrannical dictator who keeps subjects in the dark to maintain power.