Bruce glanced up as the new Batmobile coasted easily into the Cave, setting down easily in its proper parking spot. As Terry hopped out, discarding his mask, Bruce smiled softly. "So how did it go with the Jokerz?" he asked.
Terry shrugged. "I broke up the robbery, but it was weird," Terry admitted. "Third time this month that particular gang was trying to intercept high tech machinery."
Bruce nodded. "Rarity mentioned bumping into them on her last run. They're probably fencing it." A frown crossed his face.
"What's bugging you, sensei?" he asked, falling habitually back into the form of address he had used back when he only knew Bruce as his martial arts instructor, a friend of the family, and Rarity's father.
"Rarity had a different theory, but it was a bit difficult to believe," Bruce explained.
"What theory?"
Bruce shrugged. "She postulated someone with bigger aims than the gang's usual goals had somehow attained some sort of control over this particular gang, which is why they're engaging in these particular robberies. This would also explain why none of what they've stolen has shown up anywhere else."
"Sounds plausible," Terry agreed. "Why do you doubt it?"
"Because there's only one person any Jokerz gang would allow to take that much control...and I saw him die with my own eyes." Bruce shook his head. "While I've seen many old foes come back when I thought they were dead, there's no doubt he's dead."
Terry nodded. While Bruce had started to be a bit more open with Terry regarding his experience as Batman - at Rarity's insistence - Terry knew when not to ask questions. "Wouldn't stop someone from claiming to be him and riding on his rep," Terry pointed out.
"I had considered that possibility, too," Bruce admitted. "But it merely creates the same problems in a different way. At least a fake would be predictable, though."
"So where is the silly filly?" Terry asked, glancing around as he changed out of the suit, folding it up in his backpack.
"Writing her speech," Bruce replied with a wide smirk.
Terry chuckled. "I'm still surprised you didn't drop it on her as a birthday present."
Bruce smiled. "I did at the breakfast table. The big ceremony is just the formal investiture. She's 18 now, after all. She's ready to run the company all on her own." He chuckled softly. "Actually, she has been for several years, despite my name still being on the CEO's office." As Terry started to head out, Bruce remembered something. "Oh, and Rarity wants you to bring Dana with you to the soiree. Your invitation is marked plus one."
"I'm not entirely sure it would be Dana's scene," Terry admitted.
"I don't believe Rarity considered whether it would be her scene or not," Bruce admitted. "I think she just wants to finally meet her in a scenario where there won't be too much social awkwardness."
Terry chuckled. "I suppose so." He slung his backpack onto his back. "Speaking of, Dana's waiting for me."
Bruce chuckled as he watched Terry head out. "Young people," he mused softly. "Was I ever like that?"
Bruce sighed to himself as he glanced around at the gathered members of the company. While on the one hand he was pleased that passing the reigns of the company over to Rarity wouldn't cause many ripples, he felt that they didn't need to be so obviously excited about it. The atmosphere was festive and joyful.
Admittedly, there were a few faces around he wasn't certain how to feel about. He had spotted an inky shadow flickering back and forth between tables and peoples' shadows, plainly indicative that Miss Clay was taking her role as Head of Security seriously tonight. He wasn't sure whether to be concerned that someone felt such security was necessary or pleased with himself that he was able to spot her. He had also spotted Walter Shreeve - whom Rarity had mentioned regarding the accident that had placed him briefly in the psych ward - working by the sound stage, helping set something up. The one that would really take getting used to was Akira Frieza, the new head of the medical research division, specializing in cryogenics. He used to pity Victor Fries, while seeing Mr. Freeze as an irredeemable threat. Seeing him now laughing and smiling as he chatted with various coworkers left him feeling somewhat out of place.
He was startled out of his musing as Rarity approached him. "Wool gathering, Father?" she asked softly.
He chuckled. "After today, I'll be officially retired. Not sure what I'll be doing with my future from now on. Only natural my mind turns to the past."
Rarity chuckled. "Father, now that I'll be officially in charge of Wayne Enterprises, I won't have nearly as much time to lend a hoof at home." While her tone was casual, the slight flex of her bat wings over her dress made it plain what she was talking about. "Terry does his best, but his training isn't anywhere near complete."
Bruce smiled. "I suppose getting him into shape will be entertaining for a time." He glanced up. "And I won't be the only one with my hands full."
Rarity smiled as she glanced up. Terry looked somewhat uncomfortable in the suit he was wearing for the occasion, though his discomfort might have been due to the stares his girlfriend was getting on his arm. The white formal dress she was wearing, while of the modern fashion, went slightly beyond what most of the party would consider proper...or at least modest.
Terry managed a smile as he walked her up to Bruce and Rarity. "Dana, this is Mr. Wayne, and Rarity Wayne. Bruce, Rarity, this is my girlfriend, Dana."
Dana smiled warmly. "It's a pleasure to meet you both," she said formally, shaking hands with Bruce.
"A pleasure to meet the girl who takes up so much of such a gifted mind's focus," Bruce teased gently.
Dana hesitated only briefly before extending her hand to Rarity, unsure whether she should try to shake hands or pet her. She started to kneel down to Rarity's level.
With a smile, Rarity levitated herself up to place her hoof in Dana's hand without making her bend too far. "It is a pleasure to meet you at last, Miss Tan," Rarity replied formally but affectionately. "Terry talks about you all the time. Only good things, I assure you."
Dana smiled. "Terry's mentioned you quite a bit over the time I've known him, too," she replied. "You two seem pretty close."
Rarity chuckled as she lowered herself back to the ground. "Yes. With how long he's been training with me under Father, and how close our families have become...he's like the little brother I never had."
Dana glanced back and forth between Terry and Rarity. "Little brother?" she asked incredulously.
Both Rarity and Terry chuckled. "Yes," Rarity clarified, "despite appearances, I'm the older sibling."
Bruce smiled. "Terry, help me up to the stage?" he asked.
"Of course, Mr. Wayne," Terry replied hastily. "Be right back," he added to Dana.
As they walked towards the podium, Rarity and Bruce exchanged a knowing glance, followed by a shared nod. When Terry glanced between them for confirmation, Bruce smiled. "Terry...when you feel your relationship with Dana has gotten serious enough...you can tell her a bit more about your night job."
At Terry's shocked look, Rarity smiled. "Part of why we wanted to meet her, darling," she replied archly.
Terry shook his head with a chuckle. "Thanks for the reassurance," he said with a smile.
As Bruce Wayne was announced, he approached the podium. "I'm not sure how to feel about tonight," he began. "On the one hand, it's a genuine pleasure to hand the reigns of the company to the next generation of the Wayne family. I never thought I would actually get that chance." He paused as the audience applauded. "On the other hand, the rest of you don't need to look so happy about getting rid of me." This was greeted by startled laughter from the entire gathered throng.
Bruce started to speak again, but the microphone let out a sudden high pitched whine. Bruce frowned at it in concern...concern that rapidly climbed when he saw Walter Shreeve frowning, pulling out one of his handheld sonic generators and tinkering with it in concentration. Obviously, Shreeve's work with sound meant that the microphone shouldn't be doing that, and that it doing so was a more serious concern than he first thought.
Without warning, a splicer who had been blended with a hyena lunged over the outer wall, racing towards the stage. As several members of the crowd scattered, Shreeve rushed forward. Twisting something on his hand held sonic amplifier, he pointed it at the criminal - who Bruce now recognized from Terry and Rarity's descriptions of the Jokerz Gang as the one called Woof - and triggered it. An intense, focused pulse of sound surrounded Woof, attuned to affect a hyena's hearing in the same way a dog whistle affected a dog. Woof collapsed to the ground under the sonic barrage, whimpering.
A pair of scantily clad female Jokerz attempted to grab hold of Bruce, but a touch on their bare shoulders left them both shivering. Akira smiled kindly at them. "I think you should go sit with Commissioner Gordon over there," he said gently, gesturing to where Barbara already had her cuffs out. "I doubt her reception of you will be as chilly as mine."
The two female Jokerz - now unable to do anything but shiver, hug themselves tight, and chatter their teeth - staggered over to where they were quickly arrested.
Pink smoke poured out of a trap door in the floor, and a frighteningly familiar figure appeared in the smoke. Short cropped green hair, white skin, chillingly clownish smile, dark purple bodysuit... "It's just so hard to get good help these days," the Joker complained as he stepped out of the smoke. "If you want something done right...guess who's back, Gotham!" He threw his arms wide on the last words. As the crowd fled in fear, he spoke into his watch. "Ghoul, Chucko, at least tell me you're on the job!"
"Sorry," Inque replied over his communicator in the echoey voice that showed she was mid shapeshift, "they can't come to the phone right now. Please leave a message after they and the bombs you had scattered around the party area are in the hands of the police. Beep."
Joker snarled in frustration. He turned as he saw one who was somewhat familiar to him approach. "Didn't expect to see you here, Freeze," he grated. "What's with the monkey suit?"
Akira smiled. "Care to play a game, Joker? I heard you like games."
Joker grinned. "What did you have in mind?"
"You know paint ball?" Akira asked, holding one hand low as he focused his new ice powers.
"Yes?"
"Remove the T."
Joker scratched his head. "I don't get it-" He let out an explosive gasp of air as a hailstone the size of a hen's egg slammed into his solar plexus like it had been shot from a cannon. "Now I get it," he whimpered from his sudden doubled over position.
Akira was right beside him. "You need to cool off," he said, putting his fingers to the Joker's forehead and using his ice powers to slow the Joker's brain activity.
Joker chuckled as he started to doze. "When did you learn...to tell a joke?" He slumped into unconsciousness.
Smiling, Akira slung the unconscious Joker over his shoulder. "Everything's under control!" he called out to the formerly panicked crowd.
Seeing that Bruce was still shaken, Rarity stepped up to the podium. "Well, Father, it does seem like life is rather exciting these days, doesn't it?" she said, both to Bruce and to the crowd. Nervous chuckles showed that the employees, at least, were starting to calm down. Rarity then did her best to adapt her acceptance speech to the situation.
Deep inside Rarity's mind, Nightmare sighed fitfully. "This has gotten boring," she mused to herself. "It was one thing when things started. She was still learning, still developing. But she's gotten too good at this. And she doesn't do everything herself. She asks for help! What kind of Batman asks for help?" She rolled her eyes in frustration. "She just has too much to work with here, and the criminals too little. I didn't even get to fight the Joker through her!" Nightmare thought about that for a bit, then sighed. "Then again, it actually hurt me to see Bruce in such a state when he saw the Joker returned. What has happened to me?"
Sitting back, she thought for a time, then smiled. "Still...I won't have to stay here too much longer. I wonder how she'll handle going home?"
You really having fun with the Frieza references.
But the rest, well that was dissapointing. Honestly I thought the Joker would do better. After Grundy this was the most dissapointing chapter to date.
Why do I get the feeling that the Joker isn't quite down for the count? At least, not until they take care of that microchip and free Tim Drake.
Otherwise, I feel like this story's making its way towards its conclusion. Not bad.
Yeahh, this little joker chapter,mmm, why the hell you would bring joker, I mean, JOKER, to live again, if you don't plan to make it epic and properly long?, I though that this would be good, but if this end here, then it was totally pointless, and now oyu bring the issue of her return, too fast, why the hurry?
Hello, Mark Hammill! Though, the Joker was a bit underwhelming, considering he is THE Batman villain. Oh, and thank you to the CW Flash show for bringing back Mark as the Trickster and using his Joker voice.
to those who downvote my last comment. care to say why.
THis is JOKER we are talking about. he may be insane but he's also smart. There was a reason he was one of Batman's greatest villians. He would have acounted for the extra security. He has Tim's knowledge plus his own and Rarity has been around long enough to know about her and what she has done. THis felt like a cope out and I'm not the only to voice that.
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The reason Joker is so underwhelming is for one simple reason.
Joker was an effective balance to Bruce Wayne, specifically because of the psychological effect he had on Bruce.
Also, neither Joker from 50 years ago nor present day Tim Drake would know Rarity was Batmare, or would know anything about the resources she had available (Freeze, Inque, and Shreeve).
To be perfectly honest, the only reason I addressed the Joker is because everyone would complain if I didn't.
5863298 I wouldn't, I actually would complaint if you brought him poorly, joker wouldn't attack without planning and investigation, I wonder, do you like this chapter? I would be surprised if you do.
5863298 he did enough research on Terry. sorry man but you screwed up this chapter and you know it.
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I agree, he has Tim's mind, and Tim is a genius, remember than in Batman animated the Joker was not a computer genius, but in Beyond he is, meaning he has Tim skills.
Maybe this Joker is a fake? it won't be the first time he used a body double.
Remember, The Joker found out Bruce Wayne is Batman and basily whoy all members of the Batclan before Batmare are. There has been both Batmare and a new Batman around Gotham... and he is no idiot.
5863298 Still, Joker has defeated things way bigger than him (Both physically and in power), he is a master mind that even other villains fear, so I´m safe to say he would not come as unprepared as he was in this chapter. The only mention of his name means that something big and tragic is about to happen.
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I Obviously can't speak for the author here, but did you really expect anything else? That's kinda one of the shticks with stories that add in a 'superhero' from another verse. What you're seeing is the snowball/ripple effect in action, and as time goes on, it gets worse. I would like to point out however, that the story isn't over yet. So sit back and try to enjoy the rest of the ride.
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Carefully now dear author, can't make it too easy.
5863407 Yes I did. WOuld it have been easier than the canon Joker movie. yes. But again the JOKER was one of Batman's main enemies for a reason and then ad in Tim Drake's knowledge helps him even more. In this chapter he acts like Batmare never happened. HE wouldn't do that. He account for the existence of both Batman and Batmare as well as the security. WHat the author pulled here was an Equestria Games move. This chapter needs to go and be redone.
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I actually don't have a problem with how the Joker was handled in this chapter (although I expect at least a brief follow-up in a future chapter mentioning the control chip they will eventually find on Mr. Drake's neck, or a grand follow-up where he gets away and the real challenge begins).
Item one: they knew something was up with the Joker Gang, and while Bruce was certain that the Joker was dead, he at least acknowledged the possibility (however faint) that an impersonator with an agenda had taken them over.
Item two: They knew the Joker, or anyone impersonating him well enough to be able to take over the Joker Gang, would be prone to making a grandstand play after the series of set up crimes Rarity and Terry uncovered. A big event like Bruce Wayne passing control of Wayne Enterprises on to his heir apparent was a highly predictable target for such a play, especially on the off chance that it was in fact, the actual Joker returned. Plenty of time to prepare.
Item three: the Joker Gang is a known quantity in Gotham. A little research, and either Bruce or Rarity would be able to easily predict who would have what task, and then think of dozens of ways to counter them, especially with the next item...
Which brings us to:
Item four: Rarities tendency to offer redemption to certain villains, especially early on in her career as Batmare, by giving them legitimate jobs and actual worthwhile lives, paid off in giving the Batclan some metahuman resources neither the Joker, nor the Joker Gang had any chance of finding out about even if they did know about Batmare and the new Batman. Enter Rarity calling in a few favors...
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Because this is a crossover with Batman Beyond, and said series has their own incarnation of the Joker. Granted, he wasn't actually THE Joker, just a project he set up prior with a huuuge time delay attached to when it triggered, but still. There's your why for Joker's presence.
5863454 But again Joker would also do his research and counter Inque, and Sherik and maybe Freeze.
again JOKER should have done better.
Again, this was an Equestria Games stunt.
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I'm kinda with the others on this. You didn't stay true to the movie. I don't mind the others taking out the Jokerz and Victor taking out the Joker himself but I would have liked him to make a comment about Rarity being Batmare or try to harm her mentally. The reason being that in the movie the Joker somehow found about Terry being the new Bat. So it would not be a small stretch for the Joker to find out Rarity and try to harm her mentally when they first meet. Other than that good chapter.
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Inque I'll give you, as she is Wayne Enterprizes' Head of Security, and has been for years. How to counter her is an entirely different problem, as that would hardly be publicly accessible knowledge. In fact, that would fall under the heading of highly encrypted files stored only in the most secure locations, if even that. The Joker might be able to guess what her weakness might be, but it would be just that - a guess.
Still, things do seem to be wrapping up a bit too neatly for Batmare lately, so I expect something big is in the works for the climax before her return to Equestria...
5863553 But Joker acts like they aren't there. he does the exact same moves that he did in the movie. Where Wayne Enterprise's security was standard and only Batman was the issue. One he had already planned on. He would plan on most of the others. Heck neither Terry or Rarity did jack in this.
This chapter is an insult to the Joker. Tats shouldn't be rushing to the finish with this. Till this chapter the Gundry chapter was the worse. Drag this out. Give Joker a proper representation. Again scrap this chapter and do it again. I know you can do better.
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The reason Joker knew anything about who anyone was under the mask was because Tim Drake - who was once Robin - knew about it because word got through the Batvine, as it were. That also didn't happen until Terry's second encounter with Joker, after he'd met with Tim Drake.
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Inque's abilities aren't easy to counter, and Joker had no reason to assume she'd even be there.
Shreeve is an unknown quantity, because the weaponizing of his sound technology officially didn't happen. It's not on widely available records. The only place it's actually officially recorded is on the Bat Computer.
Officially, Victor Fries is dead. Legally, Akira Frieza is a separate person with no connection, and his ice powers aren't widely known. (This actual event is his first public use of them).
Joker expected to face Batman, Batmare, and Inque. The plan from before would have worked fine if that was all he had to face, and he did have anti-Inque weapons with him...in the form of his usual prank weapons. But none of those he had prepared to face actually confronted him. The only ones he faced were ones he had no way of knowing existed as threats.
You're saying I'm making Rarity as Batmare overpowered...but what you're suggesting is making Joker overpowered.
I watched the movie for research. Joker didn't find out that Bruce and Terry were Batman. He knew because Tim Drake knew, and Terry told Tim Drake he was the new Batman during his investigations...and Joker didn't call him Terry while masked until after that.
5863616 the Joker did find out while experimenting on who Batman was. It's debatable went Joker knew about Terry.
The issue here is that you have Joker acting like security wasn't spruced up then it was in the movie. Wether or not his counters work there should have been changes and even him cutting and running without the device he needed. I think Joker would be in the loophole on the Mask magic and figure out Rarity and Batmare are one and the same. You pulled an Equestria Games here and you know it.
Should the overall conflict with the Joker be easier. Yes, but not insanely easy as this was
pls, calm ya...whatever ya has, joker fans...this story is not about batman or joker but about Rarity
And the fact that she has quite a bit resources at her disposal proved worthwide
What is the meaing of reform and recruit rather powerful beings if they proved to be incompetent?
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The point you're missing is that Joker's plan was set to work fine, except he didn't account for Freeze, who was the one major element he had no way of knowing about. If he had, yes he could have prepared for Freeze. But by the time he realize Freeze was involved and the plan had failed, Freeze was between him and escape, and Freeze against someone without powers - especially now that its magical rather than tech based - is no contest.
Joker was doomed from the start because of the one thing he had no way of knowing. He couldn't even respond when Freeze dealt with Dee Dee because they didn't inform him.
The only way he would have escaped to fight another day is to not make an appearance at all.
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You really didn't watch the movie did you or you did watch the movie but it was a long time ago? First off the Joker already knew about Terry thanks to being a part of Tim, Barbara kept Tim in the loop. She mentions that she talks to him on occasion. Plus the Jokerz attack Terry who was with Dana at night at the same moment the Joker attacks Bruce in the manor. It is after Terry finds Bruce dosed with Joker gas after the attack that Terry goes to see Tim Drake. Here a link to the first part of the movie. the person who posted the part also has all the rest of the movie split into parts in there youtube page so please watch the movie and get your details right. I know I am being a pain but I grew up watching the series and so I am little pushy when a person doesn't get the details right.
5863665 Yes he can't account for everything but certianly better then this. he also has Tim Drakes knowledge which means he can run if he wants to. Again you made it seem that he changed nothing in the plan between the movie and your story. He would have changed stuff. Heck you hinted at it earlier by the fact certain events happened eariler. We already know that Rarity's presence has changed things, change things drastically. The Joker may be insane, but he's not dumb. Heck in the movie the only dumb move he pulled was showing where the chip was and that was due to arrogance and the fact he had Terry down.
You have done great except for grundy till now. scrap this chapter an do it again.
5863657 But it is partially about them. Rarity showing up changed what Bruce did. He's technically healthier in this story than in the show because he had a new focus earlier than the show. Rarity has rippled everything. Tim would likely put two and two together since he still lived in Gotham and Batmare was known. He likely broke the Mask magic and figured out who it is and thus the Joker.
Since this story was posted on here both MLP fans and Batman fans were waiting for the Batmare/Joker face off. and Tats did a cope out.
Remind you of an MLP episode anyone?
This should have been better and many know that.
5863671 exactly. and for most of this story tats gets details mainly right. Some of the choices he made are well defended but could have been written better. Grundy should have not happened and now this.
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I actually like the Grundy chapter. This chapter could have been written better though. I was hoping to see the Joker get his butt handed to him by Nightmare.
5863883 I can agree with that last part.
5863705 I don't remember Timmy have any magic of his own or magic cancelation or imunity or shit like that....
Remembered that the two picture one of Rarity and one of Batmane side by side and they still failed to regconize her? yeah.....it's not out world man
5864006 according to the story the Mask magic does have limits and vunerablilites. Also Tim and Barbra still spoke so she could have told tim there was someone new dawning the cape and cowl and he's a smart guy to make the easy connection.
5864031 Weren't the magic prevent people from using their mind to figure it out in the fist place?
Well...that was unexpected. And, apparently, disappointing? I don't really get why it was disappointing, myself, (I mean, sure, The Joker should have got beaten to a pulp by Nightmare because of the state that Bruce was reduced to when he saw Joker again, and the others should have sat back and watched [maybe slightly horrified?], but other than that, it didn't disappoint me that much, seeing as how he would've got stopped almost immediately anyways, no matter if it was the reformed villains that did it, or Nightmare that did it) and some might have expected more from the Joker, but, in all fairness, he was being thrust into a situation that he knew little to nothing about, so what are you gonna do?
Interesting I wonder ware this is going.
I will defiantly be watching for more.
What a curbstomp that was Very nice.
5864034 I figure the general people it works on. But look at who Tim is. He was Robin, he knows, Bruce, Barbra, and Dick. It sounds like he and Barbra talk to eachother. I think all of that combined would get past the Mask Magic. And thus also doesn't work against Joker who is in Tim.
5864090 Remember Equestria Games. How it was built up but ended up being a spike episode. same thing here.
Check and mate. The only thing Batmare still needs is a geniune challenge. The closest to that was the Week of Solomon Grundy.
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5864633 rule of author man...no character can escape that
5864652 he already has this issue dealt with earlier in the very season. It didn't need to be a Spike episode. We expected to actually see the games and lore build. Heck the story should have been about cheating in the games. yet it's about Spike and his self worth. POWER PONIES ANYONE!
It was a bait and switch and has been critized for it. I feel the same here.
5864659 But it's not smart of an author to do that. the MLP Writers have on multiple times been critize by having a character out of character.
5864693 It is not exactly OOC with that AU perspective thingy
This was a bit anti-climactic, unless The Joker has something else in mind that required his capture.
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Um...while you bring up a good point, after the Power Ponies episode though, the Mane 6 just go back to ignoring him most of the time.
Oh, and on that note! data3.whicdn.com/images/18426762/thumb.jpg Here's what I meant to reply with the first time.
5864694 a charact acting out of character has to be for a reason. The joker is smart, insane but smart. His plan is no different than the movie even though the situation is completely different. He would try to account for Batmare and Inque. And even if his plan is failing should be able to flee. He has Tim's memories thus can pull off the disappearing act.
In the end the Joker is better than this and this chapter is a major let down and should be scrapped and redone.
5864746 Sanity is overrated mate...
Also, insane and smart can boost each other but it can also hinder each other...
5864729 Rarity didn't. Twilight is many a item to keep Twilight from Lesson Zeroing much.
This is THE JOKER here, one that knows everything Tim Drake does. He should have done better than this.
5864748 in the case we saw in the movie it boosted him. You don't get to be a top Batman Villian by being stupid.
I was disappointed in this chapter, The Joker was more intelligent and stronger in The Joker Returns and knew everything Batman did in his prime and would have been Batmare's or Terry's greatest foe. He would have put up a better fight or at least conned his way out of it.
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Strength in numbers, my friend. Well, unless Kathryn Janeway, than it can be the worst that the Delta Quadrant can throw at you against you, and you'll still win, because you're that damn good, but hey! The Joker is NOT Kathryn Janeway. He's The Joker, and while he can survive anything, as seen here:
, the fact that he needs to survive those situations speaks for itself. Now sure, Kirk died in Generations, and Benjamin Sisko disappeared at the end of Deep Space Nine, never to be seen again, and The Doctor has died enough times to have regenerated at least 12 times, but, Kathryn Janeway actually survived, and thrived! And I know she actually died in Year of Hell part 2, but that was an alternate timeline. cowhampshireblog.com/_photos/Mulgrew-Kate-Janeway.jpg